According to wikipedia - "William Clark Gable (February 1, 1901 – November 16, 1960) was an American film actor, nicknamed "The King of Hollywood" in his heyday. In 1999, the American Film Institute named Gable seventh among the greatest male stars of all time.[1]" ???????
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Feels to me like another excuse to keep the fans from going inside.
Randy has said he has had no complaints from the Gable family... and as another poster has demonstrated, Gable isnt even in the same area as Holly Terrace.
All this seems to be generated from TMZ.
Also.. so Gable has a fan who likes to show love and kiss his grave. ITS SHOWING LOVE!! Seems to be a problem with Gable fans and not MJ fans to me.. i mean, what has this got to do with Michael????
Who took this photograph??? Cameras are NOT allowed into FL, right???
This pic doesn't really look like it was taken by a cell phone. But...I think these flowers are pretty fresh. Access to Clark Gable's tomb is restricted, so I would say that a family member recently visited his burial place.
[li]All photography (still or video) inside buildings is prohibited, except at funerals, weddings, and other private services with the consent of the person(s) in charge.
(So the Gable family gave permission to someone or they took it themselves?)[/li]
[li]No commercial or professional photography is allowed under any circumstances without the express written consent of Forest Lawn. (INTERESTING: The National Photo Group had written consent of Forest Lawn when they did the Murray shoot?)[/li]
[li]No wedding photography in connection with weddings held outside the Forest Lawn Memorial-Parks is permitted anywhere on the premises.[/li]
OK, let's get serious again - this is what I understand - hopping into the pool of Levinesque humour.
1) MJ fans cannot disguise as CG fans to try to enter through some back doors and sneak in. (txs to Mo's excellent map explanations)
2) Randy opened the doors for MJ fans to drop off their flowers and pay their respects (he does know what that means, doesn't he?)
3) We learn that there is a IHMRT at FL (in-house marble repair team) which most likely will translate into some fine lady or gent. Could I ask for a date with the IHMRT, I would have some kisses to wipe off, too. Txs for leaving your phone #.
And txs for noticing that this time the love presented is so HUGE that it CANNOT be overseen or wiped away.
4) We learn that leaving lipstick kisses is a crime (well some men don't like lipstick at all, but a crime?)
What is vandalism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism
"Vandalism is the behaviour attributed to the Vandals, by the Romans, in respect of culture: ruthless destruction or spoiling of anything beautiful or venerable. Such action includes defacement, graffiti and criminal damage." [...]
"Historically, vandalism has been justified by painter Gustave Courbet as destruction of monuments symbolizing "war and conquest". Therefore, it is often done as an expression of contempt, creativity, or both" [...]
"Examples of vandalism include salting lawns, cutting trees without permission, egg throwing, breaking windows, arson, spraying paint on others' properties, tagging, placing glue into locks, tire slashing, keying (scratching) paint, ransacking a property, and flooding a house by clogging a sink and leaving the water running."[...]
"Reaction of authorities
In view of its incivility, punishment for vandalism can be particularly severe in some countries. In Singapore, for example, a person who attempts to cause or commits an act of vandalism may be liable to imprisonment for up to 3 years and may also be punished with caning. Vandalism in the UK is construed as an environmental crime and may be punished with an ASBO (Anti-Social Behaviour Order)."[...]
"Vandalism as art
For more details on this topic, see Graffiti.
Graffiti is a common form of vandalism.
Though vandalism in itself is illegal, it is often also an integral part of modern popular culture. French painter Gustave Courbet's attempt to disassemble the Vendôme column during the 1871 Paris Commune was probably one of the first artistic vandalist acts, celebrated at least since Dada performances during World War I. The Vendôme column was considered a symbol of the recently-deposed Second Empire of Napoleon III, and dismantled as such.
After the burning of the Tuileries Palace on May 23, 1871, Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche himself meditated about the "fight against culture", wondering what could justify culture if it were to be destroyed in such a "senseless" manner (the arguments are: culture is justified by works of art and scientific achievements; exploitation is necessary to those achievements, leading to the creation of exploited people who then fight against culture. In this case, culture can't be legitimised by art achievements, and Nietzsche writes: "I {also} know what it means: fighting against culture". After quoting him, Klossowski writes: "The criminal fight against culture is only the reverse side of a criminal culture"
As destruction of monument, vandalism can only have sense in a culture respecting history, archeology - Nietzsche spoke of monumental history. As destruction of monumental history, vandalism was assured a long life (as Herostratus proved): Performance art could make such a claim, as well as Hakim Bey's poetic terrorism or Destroy 2000 Years of Culture from Atari Teenage Riot. "
We remember MJ AIR - "art is resistance" - and could draw a conclusion of "fight with love against a loveless culture" <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
5) Btw. the first article in the list when searching TMZ for "Clark Gable" is his grandson, CG3, having been stabbed in the chest, not the article about Clark Gable's Tomb.
6) Why Clark Gable?
The most famous movie of Clark Gable was the epic drama "Gone with the wind". The end of the story:
"As Rhett walks out the door, planning to return to his hometown of Charleston, (Scarlett) pleads, "Rhett, if you go, where shall I go? What shall I do?" He famously answers, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn," and walks away into the fog. She sits on her stairs and weeps in despair, "What is there that matters?" She then recalls the voices of Gerald, Ashley and Rhett, all of whom remind her that her strength comes from Tara itself. Hope lights Scarlett's face: "Tara! Home. I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back! After all, tomorrow is another day!" In the finale, Scarlett stands once more, resolute, before Tara."
Well...food for thoughts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_with_the_Wind_%28film%29
"RHETT: You will, though. And another thing. Those pantalets. I don't know a woman in Paris wears pantalets anymore.
SCARLETT: What do they... you shouldn't talk about such things.
RHETT: You little hypocrite, you don't mind my knowing about them, just my talking about them.
SCARLETT: Rhett, I really can't go on accepting these gifts. Though you are awfully kind.
RHETT: I'm not kind, I'm just tempting you. I never give anything without expecting something in return. I always get paid.
SCARLETT: If you think I'll marry you just to pay for the bonnet, I won't.
RHETT: Don't flatter yourself, I'm not a marrying man.
SCARLETT: Well, I won't kiss you for it, either.
RHETT: Open your eyes and look at me. No, I don't think I will kiss you. Although you need kissing badly. That's what's wrong with you. You should be kissed, and often, and by someone who knows how.
SCARLETT: And I suppose that you think that you are the proper person.
RHETT: I might be, if the right moment ever came.
SCARLETT: You're a conceited, black- hearted varmint, Rhett
Butler, and I don't know why I let you come and see
me.
RHETT: I'll tell you why, Scarlett. Because I'm the only man
over sixteen and under sixty who's around to show you
a good time.
Clark Gable as Rhett Butler and Vivien Leigh as Scarlett O'Hara."
7) And once again TMZ gamble with us. The link says June 4, the posting date says June 6. Oups, Harvey, you're late. What's up?
OK, let's get serious again - this is what I understand - hopping into the pool of Levinesque humour.
1) MJ fans cannot disguise as CG fans to try to enter through some back doors and sneak in. (txs to Mo's excellent map explanations)
2) Randy opened the doors for MJ fans to drop off their flowers and pay their respects (he does know what that means, doesn't he?)
3) We learn that there is a IHMRT at FL (in-house marble repair team) which most likely will translate into some fine lady or gent. Could I ask for a date with the IHMRT, I would have some kisses to wipe off, too. Txs for leaving your phone #.
And txs for noticing that this time the love presented is so HUGE that it CANNOT be overseen or wiped away.
4) We learn that leaving lipstick kisses is a crime (well some men don't like lipstick at all, but a crime?)
What is vandalism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism
"Vandalism is the behaviour attributed to the Vandals, by the Romans, in respect of culture: ruthless destruction or spoiling of anything beautiful or venerable. Such action includes defacement, graffiti and criminal damage." [...]
"Historically, vandalism has been justified by painter Gustave Courbet as destruction of monuments symbolizing "war and conquest". Therefore, it is often done as an expression of contempt, creativity, or both" [...]
"Examples of vandalism include salting lawns, cutting trees without permission, egg throwing, breaking windows, arson, spraying paint on others' properties, tagging, placing glue into locks, tire slashing, keying (scratching) paint, ransacking a property, and flooding a house by clogging a sink and leaving the water running."[...]
"Reaction of authorities
In view of its incivility, punishment for vandalism can be particularly severe in some countries. In Singapore, for example, a person who attempts to cause or commits an act of vandalism may be liable to imprisonment for up to 3 years and may also be punished with caning. Vandalism in the UK is construed as an environmental crime and may be punished with an ASBO (Anti-Social Behaviour Order)."[...]
"Vandalism as art
For more details on this topic, see Graffiti.
Graffiti is a common form of vandalism.
Though vandalism in itself is illegal, it is often also an integral part of modern popular culture. French painter Gustave Courbet's attempt to disassemble the Vendôme column during the 1871 Paris Commune was probably one of the first artistic vandalist acts, celebrated at least since Dada performances during World War I. The Vendôme column was considered a symbol of the recently-deposed Second Empire of Napoleon III, and dismantled as such.
After the burning of the Tuileries Palace on May 23, 1871, Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche himself meditated about the "fight against culture", wondering what could justify culture if it were to be destroyed in such a "senseless" manner (the arguments are: culture is justified by works of art and scientific achievements; exploitation is necessary to those achievements, leading to the creation of exploited people who then fight against culture. In this case, culture can't be legitimised by art achievements, and Nietzsche writes: "I {also} know what it means: fighting against culture". After quoting him, Klossowski writes: "The criminal fight against culture is only the reverse side of a criminal culture"
As destruction of monument, vandalism can only have sense in a culture respecting history, archeology - Nietzsche spoke of monumental history. As destruction of monumental history, vandalism was assured a long life (as Herostratus proved): Performance art could make such a claim, as well as Hakim Bey's poetic terrorism or Destroy 2000 Years of Culture from Atari Teenage Riot. "
We remember MJ AIR - "art is resistance" - and could draw a conclusion of "fight with love against a loveless culture" <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
5) Btw. the first article in the list when searching TMZ for "Clark Gable" is his grandson, CG3, having been stabbed in the chest, not the article about Clark Gable's Tomb.
6) Why Clark Gable?
The most famous movie of Clark Gable was the epic drama "Gone with the wind". The end of the story:
"As Rhett walks out the door, planning to return to his hometown of Charleston, (Scarlett) pleads, "Rhett, if you go, where shall I go? What shall I do?" He famously answers, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn," and walks away into the fog. She sits on her stairs and weeps in despair, "What is there that matters?" She then recalls the voices of Gerald, Ashley and Rhett, all of whom remind her that her strength comes from Tara itself. Hope lights Scarlett's face: "Tara! Home. I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back! After all, tomorrow is another day!" In the finale, Scarlett stands once more, resolute, before Tara."
Well...food for thoughts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_with_the_Wind_%28film%29
"RHETT: You will, though. And another thing. Those pantalets. I don't know a woman in Paris wears pantalets anymore.
SCARLETT: What do they... you shouldn't talk about such things.
RHETT: You little hypocrite, you don't mind my knowing about them, just my talking about them.
SCARLETT: Rhett, I really can't go on accepting these gifts. Though you are awfully kind.
RHETT: I'm not kind, I'm just tempting you. I never give anything without expecting something in return. I always get paid.
SCARLETT: If you think I'll marry you just to pay for the bonnet, I won't.
RHETT: Don't flatter yourself, I'm not a marrying man.
SCARLETT: Well, I won't kiss you for it, either.
RHETT: Open your eyes and look at me. No, I don't think I will kiss you. Although you need kissing badly. That's what's wrong with you. You should be kissed, and often, and by someone who knows how.
SCARLETT: And I suppose that you think that you are the proper person.
RHETT: I might be, if the right moment ever came.
SCARLETT: You're a conceited, black- hearted varmint, Rhett
Butler, and I don't know why I let you come and see
me.
RHETT: I'll tell you why, Scarlett. Because I'm the only man
over sixteen and under sixty who's around to show you
a good time.
Clark Gable as Rhett Butler and Vivien Leigh as Scarlett O'Hara."
7) And once again TMZ gamble with us. The link says June 4, the posting date says June 6. Oups, Harvey, you're late. What's up?
Regarding bullet #6.) According to wikipedia - "William Clark Gable (February 1, 1901 – November 16, 1960) was an American film actor, nicknamed "The King of Hollywood" in his heyday. In 1999, the American Film Institute named Gable seventh among the greatest male stars of all time.[1]" ??????? could this be some kind of clue - all these king references - ie: the King of Pop = MJ; The King of Rock N Roll = EP & The King of Hollywood = CG. Could this mean MJ will become the next King of FILM???? Just a thought... let me know what you think!
From another point of view is also called vandalism to the illegal act, though illegal, containing itself a motivation that points to the general welfare of the society or simply a nice effect on it. It is understood that this kind of vandalism aims property, public or private, and not the individual owner, except in very few cases (e.g. launch pie in the face of famous people).
A typical case is the graffiti on the walls of a neighbor: the neighbor is victim of the Bandit Act. Some believe that graffiti could not be considered a form of art, as that was not subject to regulations or rules of expression. There are others who believe that art is as the need to dump contendios (expressing them) in public or private areas without looking for the place where. The diatribe is a special case of a much broader philosophical dispute, for public and private property and, at the same time, on freedom of expression, marginality, etc.
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I thought people are not allowed to get into that Holly Place.
Yep, was the first thing I thought as well. So if you are an MJ fan you don't have access, so MJ fans better turn into Clark Gable fans, because they can go into the mausoleum. Easy as that.
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Is there something we are suppose to be seeing in the name Clark Gable? I notice the light sort of on the ARK portion of the name or just the R. Maybe the lipstick is not the clue.
Is there something we are suppose to be seeing in the name Clark Gable? I notice the light sort of on the ARK portion of the name or just the R. Maybe the lipstick is not the clue.
Yeah, that's my initials RK that are highlighted and the kiss is from MJ for me.......Only wishful thinking.
I believe Michael also owned the "Oscar" for Gone with the Wind was his prize possession, even had someone employed to dust it daily I believe. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Comments
hahahha, this cracked me up
a hat?
a boa constrictor having eaten an elephant.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Oscar Wilde has more kisses <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Randy has said he has had no complaints from the Gable family... and as another poster has demonstrated, Gable isnt even in the same area as Holly Terrace.
All this seems to be generated from TMZ.
Also.. so Gable has a fan who likes to show love and kiss his grave. ITS SHOWING LOVE!! Seems to be a problem with Gable fans and not MJ fans to me.. i mean, what has this got to do with Michael????
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Who took this photograph??? Cameras are NOT allowed into FL, right???
This pic doesn't really look like it was taken by a cell phone. But...I think these flowers are pretty fresh. Access to Clark Gable's tomb is restricted, so I would say that a family member recently visited his burial place.
As for taking pics: <!-- m -->http://www.forestlawn.com/Visitors-Guide/Index.asp<!-- m -->
[li]All photography (still or video) inside buildings is prohibited, except at funerals, weddings, and other private services with the consent of the person(s) in charge.
(So the Gable family gave permission to someone or they took it themselves?)[/li][li]No commercial or professional photography is allowed under any circumstances without the express written consent of Forest Lawn. (INTERESTING: The National Photo Group had written consent of Forest Lawn when they did the Murray shoot?)[/li]
[li]No wedding photography in connection with weddings held outside the Forest Lawn Memorial-Parks is permitted anywhere on the premises.[/li]
1) MJ fans cannot disguise as CG fans to try to enter through some back doors and sneak in. (txs to Mo's excellent map explanations)
2) Randy opened the doors for MJ fans to drop off their flowers and pay their respects (he does know what that means, doesn't he?)
3) We learn that there is a IHMRT at FL (in-house marble repair team) which most likely will translate into some fine lady or gent. Could I ask for a date with the IHMRT, I would have some kisses to wipe off, too. Txs for leaving your phone #.
And txs for noticing that this time the love presented is so HUGE that it CANNOT be overseen or wiped away.
4) We learn that leaving lipstick kisses is a crime (well some men don't like lipstick at all, but a crime?)
What is vandalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism
"Vandalism is the behaviour attributed to the Vandals, by the Romans, in respect of culture: ruthless destruction or spoiling of anything beautiful or venerable. Such action includes defacement, graffiti and criminal damage." [...]
"Historically, vandalism has been justified by painter Gustave Courbet as destruction of monuments symbolizing "war and conquest". Therefore, it is often done as an expression of contempt, creativity, or both" [...]
"Examples of vandalism include salting lawns, cutting trees without permission, egg throwing, breaking windows, arson, spraying paint on others' properties, tagging, placing glue into locks, tire slashing, keying (scratching) paint, ransacking a property, and flooding a house by clogging a sink and leaving the water running."[...]
"Reaction of authorities
In view of its incivility, punishment for vandalism can be particularly severe in some countries. In Singapore, for example, a person who attempts to cause or commits an act of vandalism may be liable to imprisonment for up to 3 years and may also be punished with caning. Vandalism in the UK is construed as an environmental crime and may be punished with an ASBO (Anti-Social Behaviour Order)."[...]
"Vandalism as art
For more details on this topic, see Graffiti.
Graffiti is a common form of vandalism.
Though vandalism in itself is illegal, it is often also an integral part of modern popular culture. French painter Gustave Courbet's attempt to disassemble the Vendôme column during the 1871 Paris Commune was probably one of the first artistic vandalist acts, celebrated at least since Dada performances during World War I. The Vendôme column was considered a symbol of the recently-deposed Second Empire of Napoleon III, and dismantled as such.
After the burning of the Tuileries Palace on May 23, 1871, Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche himself meditated about the "fight against culture", wondering what could justify culture if it were to be destroyed in such a "senseless" manner (the arguments are: culture is justified by works of art and scientific achievements; exploitation is necessary to those achievements, leading to the creation of exploited people who then fight against culture. In this case, culture can't be legitimised by art achievements, and Nietzsche writes: "I {also} know what it means: fighting against culture". After quoting him, Klossowski writes: "The criminal fight against culture is only the reverse side of a criminal culture"
As destruction of monument, vandalism can only have sense in a culture respecting history, archeology - Nietzsche spoke of monumental history. As destruction of monumental history, vandalism was assured a long life (as Herostratus proved): Performance art could make such a claim, as well as Hakim Bey's poetic terrorism or Destroy 2000 Years of Culture from Atari Teenage Riot. "
We remember MJ AIR - "art is resistance" - and could draw a conclusion of "fight with love against a loveless culture" <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
5) Btw. the first article in the list when searching TMZ for "Clark Gable" is his grandson, CG3, having been stabbed in the chest, not the article about Clark Gable's Tomb.
This article "Clark Gable's Tomb -- Vandalized with a Kiss" cannot be found by search function, only by direct link. There are two other articles as search result: "Battle Brewing at Michael Jackson's Burial Site" and "http://www.tmz.com/category/bud-55/" translating into an article about Britney spears and her conservatorship.
http://search.tmz.com/search/index.php?search=all&q=Clark%20Gable%27s%20Tomb%20--%20Vandalized%20with%20a%20Kiss
6) Why Clark Gable?
The most famous movie of Clark Gable was the epic drama "Gone with the wind". The end of the story:
"As Rhett walks out the door, planning to return to his hometown of Charleston, (Scarlett) pleads, "Rhett, if you go, where shall I go? What shall I do?" He famously answers, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn," and walks away into the fog. She sits on her stairs and weeps in despair, "What is there that matters?" She then recalls the voices of Gerald, Ashley and Rhett, all of whom remind her that her strength comes from Tara itself. Hope lights Scarlett's face: "Tara! Home. I'll go home, and I'll think of some way to get him back! After all, tomorrow is another day!" In the finale, Scarlett stands once more, resolute, before Tara."
Well...food for thoughts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_with_the_Wind_%28film%29
Comment on TMZ:
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"RHETT: You will, though. And another thing. Those pantalets. I don't know a woman in Paris wears pantalets anymore.
SCARLETT: What do they... you shouldn't talk about such things.
RHETT: You little hypocrite, you don't mind my knowing about them, just my talking about them.
SCARLETT: Rhett, I really can't go on accepting these gifts. Though you are awfully kind.
RHETT: I'm not kind, I'm just tempting you. I never give anything without expecting something in return. I always get paid.
SCARLETT: If you think I'll marry you just to pay for the bonnet, I won't.
RHETT: Don't flatter yourself, I'm not a marrying man.
SCARLETT: Well, I won't kiss you for it, either.
RHETT: Open your eyes and look at me. No, I don't think I will kiss you. Although you need kissing badly. That's what's wrong with you. You should be kissed, and often, and by someone who knows how.
SCARLETT: And I suppose that you think that you are the proper person.
RHETT: I might be, if the right moment ever came.
SCARLETT: You're a conceited, black- hearted varmint, Rhett
Butler, and I don't know why I let you come and see
me.
RHETT: I'll tell you why, Scarlett. Because I'm the only man
over sixteen and under sixty who's around to show you
a good time.
Clark Gable as Rhett Butler and Vivien Leigh as Scarlett O'Hara."
7) And once again TMZ gamble with us. The link says June 4, the posting date says June 6. Oups, Harvey, you're late. What's up?
Regarding bullet #6.) According to wikipedia - "William Clark Gable (February 1, 1901 – November 16, 1960) was an American film actor, nicknamed "The King of Hollywood" in his heyday. In 1999, the American Film Institute named Gable seventh among the greatest male stars of all time.[1]" ??????? could this be some kind of clue - all these king references - ie: the King of Pop = MJ; The King of Rock N Roll = EP & The King of Hollywood = CG. Could this mean MJ will become the next King of FILM???? Just a thought... let me know what you think!
A typical case is the graffiti on the walls of a neighbor: the neighbor is victim of the Bandit Act. Some believe that graffiti could not be considered a form of art, as that was not subject to regulations or rules of expression. There are others who believe that art is as the need to dump contendios (expressing them) in public or private areas without looking for the place where. The diatribe is a special case of a much broader philosophical dispute, for public and private property and, at the same time, on freedom of expression, marginality, etc.
Michael wears lipstick.. maybe it was him kissing Clarks grave.
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Look to the lower left on the marble. Also a Michael face. Well, the right half of a Michael face.
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Yeah, that's my initials RK that are highlighted and the kiss is from MJ for me.......Only wishful thinking.
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