OMG....Joe blaming Katherine...this is it. This is it!

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  • She didnt moved on after the divorce, she desperatley wanted michael back and it took her 2 years to get over michael because she was obsessed with him
    As you seem to have difficulty reading I will repost this for you.

    In 2000 LMP was then engaged to John Oszajca.
    She broke off the engagement after meeting actor Nicolas Cage at a party.
    She married Nicholas Cage August 10, 2002.
    He filed for divorce on November 25, 2002 and the divorce was finalized on May 26, 2004.
    LMP married Michael Lockwood on January 22, 2006.
    On On October 7, 2008, LMP gave birth to fraternal twin girls the children of her current husband.

    I think that is having MOVED ON
    and as you said it took time "TO GET OVER HIM" which she did cause she married other people and is happily married with twins now!


    YES I KNOW THAT< BUT TALKING AFTER THE DIVORCE

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    The point is that she couldn't be the "Gilda" even if there is one because she is HAPPILY married to someone else. I know this is a romantic idea and many people think that Michael and Lisa where "perfect" together but obviously they weren't, they divorced, it didn't work out. Maybe they made better friends than a romantic couple. I just can't see Lisa being the "one", sorry guys.
  • Samsuperb, I'd say Michael never stopped loving her...

    If we are been given clues based on the THIS IS IT movie, then where does Smooth Criminal come into it ? Is it near the end of the movie ??

    If not, what song is next ???

    It almost feels like we are all part of a "Big Brother" show.
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    I've been saying that I feel like that too! All you people are so smart. I stand amazed at your ability to think outside of the box. Well done!!
  • samsuperbsamsuperb Posts: 495
    Then who is Gilda?
  • HazzelyHazzely Posts: 1,443
    OMG I think i'm onto something!! I'll let you guys know when I'm done, I think I'll make a separate topic for that
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    There have been remarkably many connections to LMP given by TMZ, TIAI and TIalmostI. So I wouldn't rule her out. I understand their relationship lingered on for years after their divorce. A physical relationship as they had would I'm guessing be hard for MJ to get out of his system. MJ could maybe love many women at the same time, some more than others. Only he knows...

    I know I saw a list of the 7 songs of TII, in order as they are performed, some only fragments. Does anyone remember what they are? Maybe the order is significant in playing out the hoax timing too.
  • This song was also in the credits for TII though it wasn't actually in the movie.

    Soundtracks for - This Is It (2009)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/soundtrack

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    It is from a 1950's movie entitled "In A lonely Place" starring Humphrey Bogart and Gloria Grahame.

    In a Lonely Place (1950)
    Plot Summary

    Screenwriter Dixon Steele, faced with the odious task of scripting a trashy bestseller, has hat-check girl Mildred Atkinson tell him the story in her own words. Later that night, Mildred is murdered and Steele is a prime suspect; his record of belligerence when angry and his macabre sense of humor tell against him. Fortunately, lovely neighbor Laurel Gray gives him an alibi. Laurel proves to be just what Steele needed, and their friendship ripens into love. Will suspicion, doubt, and Steele's inner demons come between them?
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042593/

    It seems to me there is someone "new" in Michael's life
  • Good job baby!!!
  • 2good2btrue2good2btrue Posts: 4,210
    The LMP connection was just a joke guys...... Bring it back to the original subject...it's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo

    What song comes after "Smooth Criminal" in TII???
  • HazzelyHazzely Posts: 1,443
    @Serenity That's what I was looking for also! x]

    Also, he was inspired by
    1.- The Big sleep

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    2.- The White Heat

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    3.- Rhapsody in Blue

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      4.-
    In a lonely place

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    Interesting ...
  • whisperwhisper Posts: 630
    The LMP connection was just a joke guys...... Bring it back to the original subject...it's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo

    What song comes after "Smooth Criminal" in TII???

    The Way You Make Me Feel..
  • @Serenity That's what I was looking for also! x]

    Also, he was inspired by
    1.- The Big sleep

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    2.- The White Heat

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    3.- Rhapsody in Blue

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      4.-
    In a lonely place

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    Interesting ...

    Michael may very well have been inspired by those movies but the songs "Put The Blame On Mame" & "I Hadn't Anyone Til You" are actually in the soundtrack credits. Yet "I Hadn't Anyone Til You" isn't in the movie. This isn't a mistake, it is a message, a clue or both.

    Soundtrack
    "They Don't Care About Us"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Speechless"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Bad"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "Smooth Criminal"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "Jam"
    Written by Michael Jackson, Rene Moore (as René Moore), Bruce Swedien and Teddy Riley
    Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "HIStory"
    Written by Michael Jackson, Jimmy Jam (as James Harris III) and Terry Lewis
    Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "Human Nature"
    Written by Steve Porcaro and John Bettis
    Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Put The Blame On Mame"
    Written by Doris Fisher and Allan Roberts (as Alan Roberts)
    Performed by Rita Hayworth
    Courtesy of Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
    Under license from Sony Pictures Music Group

    "I Hadn't Anyone Til You"
    Written by Ray Noble
    Performed by Hadda Brooks
    Courtesy of Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
    Under license from Sony Pictures Music Group

    "The Way You Make Me Feel"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson

    "I'll Be There"
    Written by Hal Davis, Berry Gordy (as Berry Gordy, Jr.), Bob West and Willie Hutch
    Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt Performed by Jackson 5
    Courtesy of Motown Records
    Under license from Universal Music Enterprises

    "I Want You Back"
    Written by Freddie Perren, Fonce Mizell (as Alphonso Mizell), Berry Gordy (as Berry Gordy,
    Jr.) and Deke Richards
    Performed by Michael Jackson

    "The Love You Save"
    Written by Freddie Perren, Fonce Mizell (as Alphonso Mizell), Berry Gordy (as Berry Gordy,
    Jr.) and Deke Richards
    Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)"
    Written by Michael Jackson and Randy Jackson
    Performed by Michael Jackson

    "I Just Can't Stop Loving You"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Thriller"
    Written by Rod Temperton
    Performed by Michael Jackson
    Featuring rap voiceover by Vincent Price
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "Ghosts - Underscore"
    Written by Nicholas Pike
    Courtesy of Optimum Productions

    "Threatened"
    Written by Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins (as Fred Jerkins III) and LaSean Daniels (as LaShawn Daniels)
    Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Who Is It"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Beat It"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson
    Guitar solo by Orianthi (uncredited)

    "Black or White"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson
    Rap Lyrics by Bill Bottrell

    "Black or White (Intro)"
    Composed by Bill Bottrell

    "Earth Song"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "Billie Jean"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson

    "Man in the Mirror"
    Written by Glen Ballard and Siedah Garrett
    Performed by Michael Jackson

    "This Is It"
    Written by Michael Jackson and Paul Anka
    Performed by Michael Jackson
    Additional Vocals by The Jacksons
    Courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records/Paul Anka Productions
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment

    "Heal the World"
    Written and Performed by Michael Jackson
    Original master excerpt courtesy of MJJ Productions/Epic Records
    By Arrangement with Sony Music Entertainment
  • HazzelyHazzely Posts: 1,443
    @ Serenity

    Those noir films were used in Michael's Smooth criminal, I'm sure they have a meaning. We need to dig into this for sure
  • @ Serenity

    Those noir films were used in Michael's Smooth criminal, I'm sure they have a meaning. We need to dig into this for sure

    Michael Jackson wake: Casablanca was beamed onto walls
    The King Of Pop was a huge fan of the classic 1942 movie - and his family thought it a fitting tribute.

    It came after Jacko was buried among stars from Hollywood's Golden era in a £600,000 ceremony for 200 family and friends at Glendale Forest Lawn Memorial Park, Los Angeles, on Friday.

    He now lies near Walt Disney and Clark Gable - and Casablanca star Humphrey Bogart.

    A source said: "Bogart who was one of his all-time idols, so it seemed fitting that one of his most famous films was shown at the wake afterwards.

    "There was a Rat-Pack theme with great music because Michael loved that era and we wanted to show him out with style."
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs-old/latest/2009/09/06/bogar-t-stars-for-jackson-115875-21650965/

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    "If you are looking for ADVENTURE...
    You will find it"
  • scorpionchikscorpionchik Posts: 2,669
    So could Lisa-Marie be Gilda ??? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    God I hope not! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Me too. I don't think Michael seriously loved her. Maybe he liked her very much, but loved the idea of her being Elvis' daughter. Michael has an opportunity of much much better selection .
  • So could Lisa-Marie be Gilda ??? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    God I hope not! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->


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  • I'm proud of my little investigator friends! lol! But seriously...this is great work of interpreting the clues. I think you're spot on. I think a lot of things were planned. But I also think MJ has probably thought of ideas based on other things he had planned. For example, the Gilda in TII was planned of course because of the faked death. But perhaps the two things Joe said about Katherine (mame) and being shot on stage (reason for a fake death) were thought of just recently BECAUSE of Gilda. Does that make sense? He's just giving us more and more clues in order to make it impossible for us not to believe and in order to make this into a real life movie...he's calling the scenes!
  • CCCC Posts: 2,136
    Samsuperb, I'd say Michael never stopped loving her...

    If we are been given clues based on the THIS IS IT movie, then where does Smooth Criminal come into it ? Is it near the end of the movie ??

    If not, what song is next ???

    It almost feels like we are all part of a "Big Brother" show.
    <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Reality TV with a new twist......MJ is watching all of us.. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    THEN COMES THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL... "LET IT SIMMER!"
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    I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MOVIE AND THE REAL LIFE, THE THINGS THAT WE SAW... IF THIS IS IT, BILLIE JEAN IS ALMOST AT THE END AND THE MISSING LYRICS ARE:
    BECAUSE THE LIE BECAMES THE TRUTH!
  • CCCC Posts: 2,136
    smooth criminal is at the begining of the movie, around minute 25... i was thinking that maybe we have a point about the movie and the real life parallel but: REVERSED!
    At the begining of the Smooth Criminal perfomance he say : WE ARE SIZELLING...
    before he sing HUMAN NATURE: WHY OHH WHY... maybe next we have WHY HE DO THIS...
    before THEY DON´T CARE ABOUR US..
    before...SPEECHLESS
    before JAM
    THATS WHEN LIGHTMAN COME OUT, FLOATING ABOUT THE STAGE... <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    smooth criminal is at the begining of the movie, around minute 25... i was thinking that maybe we have a point about the movie and the real life parallel but: REVERSED!
    At the begining of the Smooth Criminal perfomance he say : WE ARE SIZELLING...
    before he sing HUMAN NATURE: WHY OHH WHY... maybe next we have WHY HE DO THIS...
    before THEY DON´T CARE ABOUR US..
    before...SPEECHLESS
    before JAM
    THATS WHEN LIGHTMAN COME OUT, FLOATING ABOUT THE STAGE... <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->

    I said it many times since cinema times that everything is pointed out in TII.
    There are so many story layers in that movie.
    It is a true masterpiece of art, creativity and thoughtfulness.

    MJ's most famous dance is: ... the moonwalk
    forwards or backwards?

    Did anybody else wonder why Jackson 5 were included into rehearsals for an MJ stage show?
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    It's all there in the movie.
  • So could Lisa-Marie be Gilda ??? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    God I hope not! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    Me too. I don't think Michael seriously loved her. Maybe he liked her very much, but loved the idea of her being Elvis' daughter. Michael has an opportunity of much much better selection .

    Leave her alone. Why is everyone so hung up on LMP. He and MJ marriage failed, but their not the only ones, their jus extremely famous. No one really know him or her, so leave it be. We should be investigating the hoax, not living in the past, worrying about a couple we know nothing about. Jus cause we've read she's a bitch, that doesnt make her one. Everything we read isnt the gospel.
  • CCCC Posts: 2,136
    I said it many times since cinema times that everything is pointed out in TII.
    There are so many story layers in that movie.
    It is a true masterpiece of art, creativity and thoughtfulness.

    MJ's most famous dance is: ... the moonwalk
    forwards or backwards?

    Did anybody else wonder why Jackson 5 were included into rehearsals for an MJ stage show?
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    It's all there in the movie.

    BEAT IT

    KO: IS THIS WORKING THIS EVENING? WITHOUT RUNNIG THE NUMBER I WOULD JUST LIKE, IF MICHAEL WOULD LIKE GIVE HIM JUST A LITTLE RIDE...
    MJ: FROM THE TOP OF BEAIT IT
    KO: WOULD YOU WANNA DO WITH MUSIC ALREADY?
    MJ: YEAH
    KO: CANI GIVE YOU A RIDE FIRST?
    MJ: SURE, WHAT YOU WANT...
    KO: JUST FOR SAFETY, THANK YOU MICHAEL
    MJ: OF COURSE
    KO: MJ,
    MJ: I TRUST IN YOU
    KO: THANK YOU. IS JUST FOR SAFETY. MICHAEL THIS IS THE LOW HIGHT, YOU CAN GO HIGHER...
    MJ: WHY DO YOU TELL ME THIS? YOU KNOW...I WANNA GO HIGHER... GOD BLESS YOU KENNY
    KO: ARE THE FANS WORKING ON THIS? MICHAEL HOLD ON!
    MJ: IT´S VERY NICE...

    ALL THE DIALOGUE IS A CLUE? I KNOW THA KENNY OS TALKING ABOUT THE FANS, AIR THING... BUT, WHO KNOWS??? <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
  • Okay AnnieOkay Annie Posts: 47
    Actully Lisa Marie does kind of look like Gilda/Rita Hayworth. Maybe LMP is helping Michael out and maybe they are "together" but as friends only now.
  • InfinityladyInfinitylady Posts: 1,006
    So could Lisa-Marie be Gilda ??? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
    Where are you getting the LMP is Gilda connection?

    MJ and LMP were married May 18, 1994 and divorced on January 18, 1996 - that is less than a 2 years I don't think that 14 years later there is going to be a big love affair especially after reading up on Lisa.

    In 2000 LMP was then engaged to John Oszajca.
    She broke off the engagement after meeting actor Nicolas Cage at a party.
    She married Nicholas Cage August 10, 2002.
    He filed for divorce on November 25, 2002 and the divorce was finalized on May 26, 2004.
    LMP married Michael Lockwood on January 22, 2006.
    On On October 7, 2008, LMP gave birth to fraternal twin girls the children of her current husband.

    LMP and Michael had a 4 months courtship, a short marriage less than 21 months (a divorce isn't instant either so maybe even shorter)The relationship has been over for a very long time and she definitely moved on. She has been married to Lockwood for 4 years and they have their twins and seem happy. Sorry I really don't see it.
    If there is a "Gilda" it isn't LMP.


    Serenitys,

    I agree. I don't see it either.
  • MJsFan4EverMJsFan4Ever Posts: 334
    smooth criminal is at the begining of the movie, around minute 25... i was thinking that maybe we have a point about the movie and the real life parallel but: REVERSED!
    At the begining of the Smooth Criminal perfomance he say : WE ARE SIZELLING...
    before he sing HUMAN NATURE: WHY OHH WHY... maybe next we have WHY HE DO THIS...
    before THEY DON´T CARE ABOUR US..
    before...SPEECHLESS
    before JAM
    THATS WHEN LIGHTMAN COME OUT, FLOATING ABOUT THE STAGE... <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->

    mmmmmm.... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> That could be it <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    LM I do not see as Gilda, she is married and has spoken sa divorce, maybe she knows and helps in the hoax, that does not mean that two people sleep together <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
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