Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
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You have no right to say things like that about anyone , If you don't agree with what he says , fine ,ignore it or try to debunk him or just say I don't believe nor trust him , but to say it's crap and that he needs mental help is not nice , please refrain from saying things like this in the future...
Agreed. We all have the right to our own opinion, but we must do all things with love.
Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
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TS is a person who needs mental help <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
You have no right to say things like that about anyone , If you don't agree with what he says , fine ,ignore it or try to debunk him or just say I don't believe nor trust him , but to say it's crap and that he needs mental help is not nice , please refrain from saying things like this in the future...
Agreed. We all have the right to our own opinion, but we must do all things with love.
Should we be careful about who we mail? I mean the Sun totally twisted what you guys said and tried to make beLIEvers sound a bit silly. I would hate that to happen again as I think it actually just created a wider gap between 'us and 'them' (by them I mean non-believers). If we can somehow get through to a responsible news outlet then that would be awesome.
I see where you are coming from, yet we did expose the Sun on the website after they posted that article. That is why the e-mail we send should be very well argumented. The media that contacted us AFTER the Sun article, was merely interested in the fact that they screwed us and many articles and blogs back then linked to the page with the real e-mails we sent, so everyone could read exactly what we wrote to her.
If we want attention to the site, the media is our best shot. People will enter the url and will read for themselves, even if an article is making fun of us. They will read about the undeniable DNA evidence of which I am sure most people don't even know about.
It's not about what an article says, as long as people will go to the webpage and read. And since people are nosey and curious by nature, they will, we saw what the Sun article did to the traffic on the websites.
Thank you for your explanation Souza, it is a good point. I guess if even if we only got the message out to responsible news outlets then the tabloids would get hold of it a twist it in their own messed up way. Like you say, I guess the most important thing is for us to make sure that the mails we send out are well written, credible, informative, respectful but not over the top (I mean we don't want to come across as fanatics who can't accept Michaels death). I will have to research the best media outlets here in France, will will take some time as I don't watch TV as our TV sucks! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Hmmmm, I expected these reactions (except for the mental issues one, you are warned rabbit, this is not the first time you are being disrespectful towards someone) but still I think the media needs to be involved. With how many are we? How can we make the world notice this with like 10 people? Impossible! We need to take advantage of the media. They lie, they deceive, we know that. Yet they are read by millions, even billions. Like I said: people are curious by nature and will type in the url, because they do wanna know what's it about, most certainly because 84% of the people think that Elvis is still alive after seeing the evidence, and more and more people are questioning MJ's 'death' lately as well. As long as they visit the website, they will read we are not crazy. And like someone else said: I don't care if people say I'm crazy, this is not about egos. And who is crazy? Souza? Who's that?
And we should also realize that lately when the media is reporting about the hoax, they are really questioning things, even the Sun. Their tone and arrogance ignores the hell out of me, but they didn't say we were wrong, they couldn't debunk it. So as long as we present fact and good argumentation, it's up to them to prove the world we're nuts. They can't, but they will mention the site url and people will look, it's simply Human Nature.
And I do believe Mike wants us to spread it, we have influence, we need to help out. The media will post articles about him anyway. They can better post this, than another weird rumor they've heard.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
We must let the media eat their sh*t, not help them to make fun of us and Michael again, u never know how they twist our words, even the most reliable source you'll ever find. We don't have to force anyone to read the forum or to become aware of Elviandmj.com, people already know about it, us (believers and nonbelievers), and some of the media also..we don't have to prepare them for his comeback nor feed them.. And who said THIS IS THE TRUTH? What is the truth? Why is THIS (elvisandmjdotcom) the truth? TO ME it's just a theory and should remain in this forum..
I think we should all decide whether the media has to be involved or not.. :S
We must let the media eat their sh*t, not help them to make fun of us and Michael again, u never know how they twist our words, even the most reliable source you'll ever find. We don't have to force anyone to read the forum or to become aware of Elviandmj.com, people already know about it, us (believers and nonbelievers), and some of the media also..we don't have to prepare them for his comeback nor feed them.. And who said THIS IS THE TRUTH? What is the truth? Why is THIS (elvisandmjdotcom) the truth? TO ME it's just a theory and should remain in this forum..
I think we should all decide whether the media has to be involved or not.. :S
Peace
The truth is that Eliza has undeniable DNA evidence to support her case. Also a truth is that Elvis' death and MJ's death are frankly the same. The numerology is there so that when Mike returns, he can prove that he planned this himself.
It's quiet now, only a few articles on TMZ about MJ in July, while June had almost 100 articles. To me that means that we should take action now, it's our turn. We play a role in this hoax and this site shouldn't be kept a secret.
I am truly convinced of that. I Mike didn't want the media to be involved, I am sure that we would have received an email from the estate to close this site after the Sun article was posted. That didn't happen, we never even heard a sibling say they weren't pleased with the rumors.
ZLike Jermaine said: 'The media should take notice'. I really believe that we should be the messengers.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
We must let the media eat their sh*t, not help them to make fun of us and Michael again, u never know how they twist our words, even the most reliable source you'll ever find. We don't have to force anyone to read the forum or to become aware of Elviandmj.com, people already know about it, us (believers and nonbelievers), and some of the media also..we don't have to prepare them for his comeback nor feed them.. And who said THIS IS THE TRUTH? What is the truth? Why is THIS (elvisandmjdotcom) the truth? TO ME it's just a theory and should remain in this forum..
I think we should all decide whether the media has to be involved or not.. :S
Peace
I agree! This needs to be thought through. It's the media we're talking about here. Tabloid or not they ALL lie! ( ok... maybe just 99% <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) and they will twist our words and distort things. Look at what they have done in the past. And this is the best case scenario. In case they DO write about it.
And @souza I disagree with you that people will access the link. Some will, yes, but most won;t. Most people are still in the sleeping faze where they just read what the newspaper says, they shake their head and move on. Some only read the headlines and the first paragraph. And others just get second hand news. Sadly there are still people out there, a large number, who are still act on reflex, and this is how they are used. If they had the time and WISH to search for the fact behind the story they read ( which is what got US here) they would have known about a LOT of things by now. But they don't. And that's why.
These people need a big BLOW to the head to wake up. And I don;t mean that in a disrespectful way. A BAM would wake some of them. But that is not our choice to make.
Yes, e are only 10 people but there are thousands and thousands of out out there who have awakened and who are waking people up. It's in small steps but that's how a non-chaotic change can be made.
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or somethin. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
Exactly, I agree 100%.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
What people are you trying to convice about Elvis? Most of people won't even access the link, and those who will won't look up all the information we have in the forum about the hoax, it will just be a major fail. Michael's message isn't about Elvis, so I don't know why you keep saying "let's spread his message and let the media know about elvisandmj.com". That's quite the contrary.. It has not be proven that Elvis faked his death, so contacting the media before that is not a good idea, doesn't matter what TS says and how much he tries to get elvisandmj.com in the spotlight. Why do we focus more on Elvis now? If we want to spread Michael's message and make them aware of it then it has to be by other means, and showing them the REAL MESSAGE and what Michael tried to tell us by means of his music and speeches.
And why do we have to let them know about it anyway? I still don't see how did you get to the conclusion that Michael wants us to contact the media. Because TS didn't say the opposite and because Jermaine said "the media should become aware"? We don't know what Jermaine meant by that, and anyhow I'm sure it wasn't because of ElvisandMj.com ..
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
I agree, if people can accept that Elvis faked his death, I think that people are likely to be a lot less hard on MJ when the truth comes out. The press have had a vendetta against Michael since he became famous. Elvis did get some negative press but no way near the extent of Michael. I think the more people that become aware of not only that they faked their deaths but the reasons behind it then the more people will understand the message and also how the media LIES. This would hopefully be the end result of us getting through to the press. People would realize that they have been lied to by the media and will start to question what other things they have been lied to about. Isn't that something Michael wanted?
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
What people are you trying to convice about Elvis? Most of people won't even access the link, and those who will won't look up all the information we have in the forum about the hoax, it will just be a major fail. Michael's message isn't about Elvis, so I don't know why you keep saying "let's spread his message and let the media know about elvisandmj.com". That's quite the contrary.. It has not be proven that Elvis faked his death, so contacting the media before that is not a good idea, doesn't matter what TS says and how much he tries to get elvisandmj.com in the spotlight. Why do we focus more on Elvis now? If we want to spread Michael's message and make them aware of it then it has to be by other means, and showing them the REAL MESSAGE and what Michael tried to tell us by means of his music and speeches.
And why do we have to let them know about it anyway? I still don't see how did you get to the conclusion that Michael wants us to contact the media. Because TS didn't say the opposite and because Jermaine said "the media should become aware"? We don't know what Jermaine meant by that, and anyhow I'm sure it wasn't because of ElvisandMj.com ..
Again, just my point of view.
That's not what we mean. Focussing on Elvis now makes sense because there is actual proof he is still alive. Mike's message is being widely spread on this forum. By making people realize that Elvis is still alive, and show them the similarities with Mike, people will get interested and read on. It IS about the MJ hoax, but to make people see what his message is, we need to find a way to get them to actually read. The evidence about Elvis is proof, not just theories from hoaxers and is therefore more reliable for people.
And I don't agree on the 'they won't visit the site' part. After the article in The Sun we had 100,000 EXTRA unique visitors on the website in just 2 days. That's 100,000 more people questioning. So crap article or not, it helped in a way.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
What people are you trying to convice about Elvis? Most of people won't even access the link, and those who will won't look up all the information we have in the forum about the hoax, it will just be a major fail. Michael's message isn't about Elvis, so I don't know why you keep saying "let's spread his message and let the media know about elvisandmj.com". That's quite the contrary.. It has not be proven that Elvis faked his death, so contacting the media before that is not a good idea, doesn't matter what TS says and how much he tries to get elvisandmj.com in the spotlight. Why do we focus more on Elvis now? If we want to spread Michael's message and make them aware of it then it has to be by other means, and showing them the REAL MESSAGE and what Michael tried to tell us by means of his music and speeches.
And why do we have to let them know about it anyway? I still don't see how did you get to the conclusion that Michael wants us to contact the media. Because TS didn't say the opposite and because Jermaine said "the media should become aware"? We don't know what Jermaine meant by that, and anyhow I'm sure it wasn't because of ElvisandMj.com ..
Again, just my point of view.
As I said, I do see your point of view and I think your opinion is completely valid. I do hope that once it is proven that Elvis is alive people may embrace this tactic a bit more. Because you may be right that it's not very useful until we know for sure. But once it is confirmed, I hope that enough people know about it for it to make an impact. Once again, the media will have limited coverage on Elvis being alive because they don't want to admit any mistakes and they certainly don't want to disrupt an illusion that has been apart of pop culture for decades. This is why I feel it's important to at least try to bring about awareness to what is going on, because if and when it is confirmed the information most likely will not be readily available. The freedom we have on the internet is in the process of being taken away as well. That is why I'm not waiting until anything is confirmed because we may not have the opportunity if we wait...
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
I agree, if people can accept that Elvis faked his death, I think that people are likely to be a lot less hard on MJ when the truth comes out. The press have had a vendetta against Michael since he became famous. Elvis did get some negative press but no way near the extent of Michael. I think the more people that become aware of not only that they faked their deaths but the reasons behind it then the more people will understand the message and also how the media LIES. This would hopefully be the end result of us getting through to the press. People would realize that they have been lied to by the media and will start to question what other things they have been lied to about. Isn't that something Michael wanted?
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
I agree, if people can accept that Elvis faked his death, I think that people are likely to be a lot less hard on MJ when the truth comes out. The press have had a vendetta against Michael since he became famous. Elvis did get some negative press but no way near the extent of Michael. I think the more people that become aware of not only that they faked their deaths but the reasons behind it then the more people will understand the message and also how the media LIES. This would hopefully be the end result of us getting through to the press. People would realize that they have been lied to by the media and will start to question what other things they have been lied to about. Isn't that something Michael wanted?
Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
I personally don't believe that she only read the part about Dave Dave, I think she thought it was what would sell. Plus, there was a very easily accessible video of Dave Dave on youtube.
Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
I personally don't believe that she only read the part about Dave Dave, I think she thought it was what would sell. Plus, there was a very easily accessible video of Dave Dave on youtube.
Believe me, I linked her a few things and she was too quick with her replies. They don't read the stuff that don't interests them, they really are lazy. Normally they rather copy and paste someone else's article.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
I personally don't believe that she only read the part about Dave Dave, I think she thought it was what would sell. Plus, there was a very easily accessible video of Dave Dave on youtube.
Either way, the point is that they don't care about the truth they only care about "what sells" as you said...
I understand the concern and the fear of going to the press. We know how they twist things but it must not stop us to talk. Their lies will soon turn against them. When we make an action we just have to pray God and ask Him to help us reach the hearts.
If people focused only on the evidence, Elvis' fake death would appear more than credible. There is DNA evidence here. It can't be dismissed. But people are blinded by the clowd of ridicule that has been created to circule this story and prevent the truth to be known. DNA is not enough apparently. So what will convince them ? Even an empty tomb will not be enough.
The fans who believe that Elvis is still alive since more than 30 years are crazy ? I don't think so. They have also investigated and are sure about what they have discovered as we are with Michael. We should be the first to understand.
A lot of people ridicule the existence of the Illuminati or the NWO, don't believe that God exists or that the end of the world will occur, don't know that history books are made of lies..etc. Does it mean that we have to stay quiet about these subjects as well just because people will laugh at us ? What about the truth then ? Do we just wait for Michael to come back ?
Michael gives millions of dollars to charities all over the world and is still being called names by stupid people (to stay polite) do you think he still cares at this point about what the press will say or not ? To me he has nothing to lose but everything to win.
And a reminder to the naysayers...
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L.O.V.E.
Thank you for posting that video! I love that movie, and it's a great story. Great reminder of the power of ONE and what can happen when people come together in the name of truth.
Michael gives millions of dollars to charities all over the world and is still being called names by stupid people (to stay polite) do you think he still cares at this point about what the press will say or not ? To me he has nothing to lose but everything to win.
Yes, I do believe people now need to stand up against the media. This is a great chance to do so. The more people aware of the lies that we are being fed the better as far as I'm concerned. I think if the Media hadn't have taken it upon themselves to destroy Michael, he may not have needed to fake his death. It makes me mad to think that people actually use tabloids as an information source.
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Agreed. We all have the right to our own opinion, but we must do all things with love.
I also agree.
Thank you for your explanation Souza, it is a good point. I guess if even if we only got the message out to responsible news outlets then the tabloids would get hold of it a twist it in their own messed up way. Like you say, I guess the most important thing is for us to make sure that the mails we send out are well written, credible, informative, respectful but not over the top (I mean we don't want to come across as fanatics who can't accept Michaels death). I will have to research the best media outlets here in France, will will take some time as I don't watch TV as our TV sucks! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
And we should also realize that lately when the media is reporting about the hoax, they are really questioning things, even the Sun. Their tone and arrogance ignores the hell out of me, but they didn't say we were wrong, they couldn't debunk it. So as long as we present fact and good argumentation, it's up to them to prove the world we're nuts. They can't, but they will mention the site url and people will look, it's simply Human Nature.
And I do believe Mike wants us to spread it, we have influence, we need to help out. The media will post articles about him anyway. They can better post this, than another weird rumor they've heard.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I think we should all decide whether the media has to be involved or not.. :S
Peace
The truth is that Eliza has undeniable DNA evidence to support her case. Also a truth is that Elvis' death and MJ's death are frankly the same. The numerology is there so that when Mike returns, he can prove that he planned this himself.
It's quiet now, only a few articles on TMZ about MJ in July, while June had almost 100 articles. To me that means that we should take action now, it's our turn. We play a role in this hoax and this site shouldn't be kept a secret.
I am truly convinced of that. I Mike didn't want the media to be involved, I am sure that we would have received an email from the estate to close this site after the Sun article was posted. That didn't happen, we never even heard a sibling say they weren't pleased with the rumors.
ZLike Jermaine said: 'The media should take notice'. I really believe that we should be the messengers.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I agree! This needs to be thought through. It's the media we're talking about here. Tabloid or not they ALL lie! ( ok... maybe just 99% <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> ) and they will twist our words and distort things. Look at what they have done in the past. And this is the best case scenario. In case they DO write about it.
And @souza I disagree with you that people will access the link. Some will, yes, but most won;t. Most people are still in the sleeping faze where they just read what the newspaper says, they shake their head and move on. Some only read the headlines and the first paragraph. And others just get second hand news. Sadly there are still people out there, a large number, who are still act on reflex, and this is how they are used. If they had the time and WISH to search for the fact behind the story they read ( which is what got US here) they would have known about a LOT of things by now. But they don't. And that's why.
These people need a big BLOW to the head to wake up. And I don;t mean that in a disrespectful way. A BAM would wake some of them. But that is not our choice to make.
Yes, e are only 10 people but there are thousands and thousands of out out there who have awakened and who are waking people up. It's in small steps but that's how a non-chaotic change can be made.
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
Exactly, I agree 100%.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."What people are you trying to convice about Elvis? Most of people won't even access the link, and those who will won't look up all the information we have in the forum about the hoax, it will just be a major fail. Michael's message isn't about Elvis, so I don't know why you keep saying "let's spread his message and let the media know about elvisandmj.com". That's quite the contrary.. It has not be proven that Elvis faked his death, so contacting the media before that is not a good idea, doesn't matter what TS says and how much he tries to get elvisandmj.com in the spotlight. Why do we focus more on Elvis now? If we want to spread Michael's message and make them aware of it then it has to be by other means, and showing them the REAL MESSAGE and what Michael tried to tell us by means of his music and speeches.
And why do we have to let them know about it anyway? I still don't see how did you get to the conclusion that Michael wants us to contact the media. Because TS didn't say the opposite and because Jermaine said "the media should become aware"? We don't know what Jermaine meant by that, and anyhow I'm sure it wasn't because of ElvisandMj.com ..
Again, just my point of view.
I agree, if people can accept that Elvis faked his death, I think that people are likely to be a lot less hard on MJ when the truth comes out. The press have had a vendetta against Michael since he became famous. Elvis did get some negative press but no way near the extent of Michael. I think the more people that become aware of not only that they faked their deaths but the reasons behind it then the more people will understand the message and also how the media LIES. This would hopefully be the end result of us getting through to the press. People would realize that they have been lied to by the media and will start to question what other things they have been lied to about. Isn't that something Michael wanted?
That's not what we mean. Focussing on Elvis now makes sense because there is actual proof he is still alive. Mike's message is being widely spread on this forum. By making people realize that Elvis is still alive, and show them the similarities with Mike, people will get interested and read on. It IS about the MJ hoax, but to make people see what his message is, we need to find a way to get them to actually read. The evidence about Elvis is proof, not just theories from hoaxers and is therefore more reliable for people.
And I don't agree on the 'they won't visit the site' part. After the article in The Sun we had 100,000 EXTRA unique visitors on the website in just 2 days. That's 100,000 more people questioning. So crap article or not, it helped in a way.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."As I said, I do see your point of view and I think your opinion is completely valid. I do hope that once it is proven that Elvis is alive people may embrace this tactic a bit more. Because you may be right that it's not very useful until we know for sure. But once it is confirmed, I hope that enough people know about it for it to make an impact. Once again, the media will have limited coverage on Elvis being alive because they don't want to admit any mistakes and they certainly don't want to disrupt an illusion that has been apart of pop culture for decades. This is why I feel it's important to at least try to bring about awareness to what is going on, because if and when it is confirmed the information most likely will not be readily available. The freedom we have on the internet is in the process of being taken away as well. That is why I'm not waiting until anything is confirmed because we may not have the opportunity if we wait...
YES!!
Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Thank you so much Souza.
I personally don't believe that she only read the part about Dave Dave, I think she thought it was what would sell. Plus, there was a very easily accessible video of Dave Dave on youtube.
Believe me, I linked her a few things and she was too quick with her replies. They don't read the stuff that don't interests them, they really are lazy. Normally they rather copy and paste someone else's article.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Either way, the point is that they don't care about the truth they only care about "what sells" as you said...
If people focused only on the evidence, Elvis' fake death would appear more than credible. There is DNA evidence here. It can't be dismissed. But people are blinded by the clowd of ridicule that has been created to circule this story and prevent the truth to be known. DNA is not enough apparently. So what will convince them ? Even an empty tomb will not be enough.
The fans who believe that Elvis is still alive since more than 30 years are crazy ? I don't think so. They have also investigated and are sure about what they have discovered as we are with Michael. We should be the first to understand.
A lot of people ridicule the existence of the Illuminati or the NWO, don't believe that God exists or that the end of the world will occur, don't know that history books are made of lies..etc. Does it mean that we have to stay quiet about these subjects as well just because people will laugh at us ? What about the truth then ? Do we just wait for Michael to come back ?
Michael gives millions of dollars to charities all over the world and is still being called names by stupid people (to stay polite) do you think he still cares at this point about what the press will say or not ? To me he has nothing to lose but everything to win.
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Thank you for posting that video! I love that movie, and it's a great story. Great reminder of the power of ONE and what can happen when people come together in the name of truth.
Yes, I do believe people now need to stand up against the media. This is a great chance to do so. The more people aware of the lies that we are being fed the better as far as I'm concerned. I think if the Media hadn't have taken it upon themselves to destroy Michael, he may not have needed to fake his death. It makes me mad to think that people actually use tabloids as an information source.
Well lets not take it anymore! Lets stand up and play them at their own game! Vive la revolution! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
How do you know that Elvis died ? I'm not convinced can you show me a proof ? Thanks.