And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc
We must discard the theory of murder?, .... this gets complicated <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Please don't tell me now that the date of Michael's birth is a hoax too <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
The profile I've mentioned describes in my opinion only a few aspects of the complicated person who is MJ.
I would give the credit to Elizabeth Taylor, who seems to understand Michael very well.
I can't forget when she describes him as very shrude (i hope this is word she really used - sorry my english is far from perfection ).
Also very intuitive and most of all capable to convey all sort of emotions to people.
Is this important for the hoax? I don't know, but when first I've heard Michael is still alive I sayed "yes, it matches his profile". But also is very possible that his profile as we perceive it might be only an illusion. We see what Mr. Jackson wants us to see.
But I'm not complaining about it <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Please don't tell me now that the date of Michael's birth is a hoax too <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
The profile I've mentioned describes in my opinion only a few aspects of the complicated person who is MJ.
I would give the credit to Elizabeth Taylor, who seems to understand Michael very well.
I can't forget when she describes him as very shrude (i hope this is word she really used - sorry my english is far from perfection ).
Also very intuitive and most of all capable to convey all sort of emotions to people.
Is this important for the hoax? I don't know, but when first I've heard Michael is still alive I sayed "yes, it matches his profile". But also is very possible that his profile as we perceive it might be only an illusion. We see what Mr. Jackson wants us to see.
But I'm not complaining about it <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
but it's makin' me dizzy <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET $999 Reward!!! The Coincidence Test
Saying that the MJ “death” timing and numerology all happened by coincidence would be like playing Russian roulette with 999,999 bullets, and one blank {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette}. Although there is one big difference: Russian roulette only puts one person’s life in danger; but with NWO and end of the world, millions of lives are in danger!
You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
If nobody can succeed in the $999 reward, or the coincidence test—not mathematicians or anyone else—then we will all know the MJ “death” related numerology happened by plan. You won’t need to be a rocket scientist or a statistician, to understand that the numerology was not by chance.
And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc.
Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
And speaking of MJ planning intentional parallels with the Elvis “death”: although some responded very positively to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com, and the Elvis/Eliza developments, unfortunately many others did not.
There are millions and millions of MJ fans; that is, if you are referring to people who are fans of MJ’s music. But far less people are fans of MJ the person! And if you are a fan of MJ himself, not just his music: the only question should be whether the Elvis connections were planned by MJ, or coincidence. If planned, then you should not go against what he himself planned (unless you’re just an MJ music fan).
There are numerous other amazing parallels with Elvis, only possible if they were planned by MJ (they can’t all be coincidence). And several of these parallels were made very public by MJ—such as the title, “This Is It” paralleling with “This Is Elvis”, and much more {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php}.
Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??
This continues to baffle my mind. I can't grasp the idea that somehow the "fans" think they are entitled to demand or harass MJ/TS.
When the shoe is on the other foot and MJ/TS wants to express an opinion about how he feels when he sees MJ's "fans" acting like fools, he isn't allowed to have that right?
The "fans" go crazy and have panic attack fits and start twitter campaigns against TS because somehow he has offended them but, yet they have done the same to him.
Where is the equality in that? Why is it only acceptable for the "fans" to behave obnoxiously towards him yet he can't give back what he gets? Do unto others what you want done to you.
For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.
Crazy does as Crazy thinks...lol I already went over on the Crazy side way before this "hoax" Ask my shrink...
Speaking of Elvis and going to the media: this was another area of major disagreement
on the forum; some in support of it, and many not in support. So on July 20, I redirected to the ALLJACK5ONS tweet about “media take notice” {http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson/status/10355780029; formerly http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029}. Yet to some this was not good enough, because it was tweeted about three months before my Elvis and MJ update (#6).
After 7 months of observing people here on this forum I have gained some very useful insite on Human Nature, this reaction to the Elvis/Jesse, Eliza thing is now becoming predictable. What is needed is a miracle, to soften hearts.
But the “media take notice” was referring to the hoax; we know this because the media already has taken notice of the homicide and murder theories. And if the Jacksons want the media to take notice of the hoax, then that includes the Elvis parallels—since MJ planned those parallels, and even made some of them very public (2040, This Is It, etc).
I am adding another parallel for Elvis/MJ.
Well really a connection between 3 people.
Elvis, Michael and Howard Hughes.
Yellow legal pad notes (Post it notes) and Pee Bottles; Howard:
In 1947, Hughes descended into one of the most bizarre episodes of his life. In December that year, Hughes told his aides that he wanted to screen some movies at a film studio near his home. Hughes stayed in the studio's darkened screening room for more than four months, never leaving. He subsisted exclusively on chocolate bars and milk, and relieved himself in the empty bottles and containers. He was surrounded by dozens of Kleenex boxes, which he continuously stacked and re-arranged. He wrote detailed memos to his aides on yellow legal pads giving them explicit instructions not to look at him, to respond when spoken to, but otherwise not speak to him. Throughout this period, Hughes sat fixated in his chair, often naked, continuously watching movies, reel after reel, day after day. When he finally emerged in the spring of 1948, his hygiene was terrible, as he had not bathed or cut his hair and nails for weeks.
After the screening room incident, Hughes moved into a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. He also rented out several other rooms for his aides, his wife, and his numerous girlfriends. His erratic behavior continued, however, as he would sit naked in his bedroom with a pink hotel napkin placed over his genitals, watching movies. In one year, he spent an estimated $11 million at the hotel.
Passing the test does not mean gullibly believing anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it; you have always been asked to verify the evidence for yourself, and debunk it if you can, etc. However, those who refuse anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it—regardless of any and all evidence that has never yet been debunked—they are not at the A+ level on the report card! <!-- s --><!-- s --> Michael is such a Jokester, and loves to watch people especially girl watching. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Another question was this: “why didn’t he [MJ] wear anything with the number 9 in TII?” Answer: he wore 777 on his red shirt, and had 999 in the vowels of the title (as well as 1998 again, which is 999 x 2, etc {see Update #5a, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}. If he had 999 on the shirt, and 777 in the title of TII—you probably would’ve complained that he didn’t wear 777!
Furthermore, TII movie poster was officially released on 9-9-09; and TII itself released 7 weeks after 9-9-09, etc. And the “death” and “burial” was 77 & 7 days from 9-9-09 (resurrection). How much more do you want???
Yes, if you don’t use inclusive it doesn’t work. But it CAN’T POSSIBLY work with BOTH inclusive AND standard reckoning; so you MUST pick one of the two, if you are planning it out. And inclusive is the BETTER of the two options: because it is Biblical, and most widely known in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus! Also MJ used inclusive when he said “four more years” in the spring of 2009; normally that would end in 2013—but inclusive is 2009 (year one), 2010 (year two), 2011 (year three), and 2012 (year four).
Yea and we are now Down to a little over 2 years left to Get IT Right.
There are two other major areas of TS criticism. The first complaint is that TMZ and TS are just playing around; and the second complaint is that TS return/bam predictions have not come true. These two subjects are addressed in the next two sections, bel Does MJ Have Any Informers?
I am reminded of Skaggs and his “hoax” Final Curtain, he played a good majority of the charactors in that ”hoax” and people had NO CLUE they were talking to Skaggs.
Just like people have NO CLUE who they are speaking to now…TS
Furthermore, if MJ does not have a news source in on the hoax: then how can he demonstrate the problem of the media running stories from other news facilities, without checking it out for themselves (which is exactly what happens when TMZ posts articles)? And if MJ did plan to demonstrate this, then what news company is he using—if not TMZ??
Not only is TMZ an obvious informant but, blatantly obvious articles written with key words hinting at Stories from The Bible.
Really a Gossip website is going to write Biblical references like that?
If NOT for the Boss MJ it would be going against what the Gossip site stands for sin, greed, corruption in Celebrities lives… <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
For those who have claimed that TS is only connected with TMZ, but not anything else in the hoax; here is the list yet again (with one more added). And this time there are sixteen ones with a * (instead of a #); these sixteen are all connections to more than just TMZ.
*1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
*2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
*3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
*6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
*7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
*8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
*9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
*10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
*11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
*12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
*15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
*16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
*19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
*20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
*21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
*22. “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795}
This part is what should prove to skeptics that Michael is behind this “hoax” and informant TS by being The Only One who knows things and tells us things before they happen, just like Elvis/Jesse did with Linda.
Also Elvis/Jesse is The Only One who can explain the numerology used in his “death”
So it makes sense that since TS is The Only One who cracked the numerology code to 1998 and explains ALL the numerology used, what conclusion does that leave folks with?
I already have my answer and have had it since “Sweet Home Alabama” story.
And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done. This part definitely does NOT surprise me at all. I have posted my thoughts about length of Time and the Need for Patience... It is a process that can not be rushed, in order for it to come out proper.
There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date. These are used for suspense and mystery... <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members. Basically Don't sweat the Small Stuff, and No Need to Cry over spilled Milk.
... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,
The Sign
Thank You for The Sign <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
This may NOT be the right place to add these other similarities I found but, there really is NO right Topic to put it under.
Charlie Chaplin- Michael paid Homage to Charlie with some similarities, clues in his after “death” issues…
Charlie and Cement:
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Death (1977)
Chaplin's grave in Switzerland
Chaplin's robust health began to slowly fail in the late 1960s, after the completion of his final film A Countess from Hong Kong, and more rapidly after he received his Academy Award in 1972. By 1977, he had difficulty communicating, and was using a wheelchair. Chaplin died in his sleep in Vevey, Switzerland on Christmas Day 1977.
Chaplin was interred in Corsier-Sur-Vevey Cemetery, Vaud, Switzerland. On 1 March 1978, his corpse was stolen by a small group of Swiss mechanics in an attempt to extort money from his family. The plot failed, the robbers were captured, and the corpse was recovered eleven weeks later near Lake Geneva. His body was reburied under 6 feet (1.8 m) of concrete to prevent further attempts.
Exclusive interview with Marlon Jackson reveals Jacko's kids will leave 'Goodbye Daddy' notes in coffin; Aretha Franklin to sing at graveside; Wake to be held in family compound.
Michael Jackson’s three grief-stricken children have penned goodbye letters to “Dear Daddy” to be placed inside his coffin.
Jackson’s brother Marlon makes the revelation in a world exclusive interview in which he tells the secrets of the King of Pop’s funeral, which will take place on Thursday.
The children – Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and Blanket, seven – have written “Daddy we love you, we miss you” on notes which will be placed in his coffin, alongside the singer’s trademark single white glove.
Lying in state in an £18,000 gold-plated casket, the drug-ravaged singer has been fitted with a special wig to give him flowing shoulder-length locks, Marlon says.
And a make-up artist has painted his face to ensure he is buried as if he was taking to the stage for his last bow.
After an emotional sunset funeral, Jackson’s coffin will be immediately encased in deep concrete to deter grave robbers and ghouls.
CCTV cameras linked to sensors will activate an alarm to warn security guards of any would-be trespassers at the grave.
A PRIVATE SERVICE
And in marked contrast to Jackson’s life – lived in full public glare since the age of five – the 45-minute service will be held away from the cameras, limited to close relatives and friends.
Marlon, 52, said: “This will be Michael’s final curtain call – the last show. His shell will be gone but his spirit lives on.”
Soul legend Aretha Franklin will sing at the graveside. Jackson’s close friend Diana Ross will be there too, so will Motown record label founder Berry Gordy.
Jackson will be buried in Holly Terrace Grand Mausoleum at Glendale Forest Lawn Memorial Park, five miles from Hollywood in North Los Angeles, alongside stars including Humphrey Bogart and Clark Gable.
The cemetery is closed to the public and is surrounded by high walls. Anyone visiting has to show ID.
In the nine weeks since Jackson died, his body has been kept in the refrigerated morgue at the cemetery, apart from the day it was driven in an armed police convoy to his Staples Center memorial service last month.
Marlon said: “This will be a private ceremony. His hairstylist has made his hair special and a make-up artist has gone in and fixed him up so he’s ready for the big day.”
A small wake will be held afterwards at the Jackson family compound in Encino. “This is the final step, the final curtain will be closed as regards to Michael’s life,” said Marlon.
“It’s a quiet place where the children will be able to visit in private to pay their respects.” Initially the funeral was scheduled for yesterday, which would have been Jackson’s 51st birthday.
But the burial was moved, said Marlon, because their mother Katherine is a Jehovah’s Witness and the religion doesn’t recognise birthdays. Marlon said: “I wanted to lay him to rest on the day the Lord created him. But my mother really didn’t want to bury him on that day.”
We can reveal that Jackson’s children have spent the last week-and-a-half on a break at Katherine’s Las Vegas home, visiting their uncle Jackie and playing with their cousins as the family try to spare them from the funeral preparations.
Marlon said: “They’re doing good. They’re finally getting to the stage of learning to live with it. You never get over something like that.” Marlon revealed how Paris had spoken to him about his twin brother Brandon, who died when he was just a few hours old.
He said: “After the memorial service Paris said to me, ‘Uncle Marlon, I’m sure my daddy is glad to see Uncle Brandon’. That was really special. I said, ‘Wow, that was the sweetest thing you could have said’.
LAST PERSON TO SEE HIM ALIVE
“I have two brothers in Heaven now. Some day we’ll all be able to meet up there.”
Jackson died at his rented home in Los Angeles on June 25 after being given a lethal cocktail of drugs.
On Friday the LA county coroner ruled that his death was homicide.
More than two months after his death, the family’s anger at his physician Dr Conrad Murray, who administered the potent narcotic Propofol and was the last person to see him alive, mounts by the day.
Marlon said: “Michael died and someone is to blame – and it’s the doctor who was with him.
“Conrad Murray was the last person to be with Michael and he knows exactly what went on and he’s not saying.”
Dr Murray’s only public comment so far has been a short statement on video website YouTube.
Marlon said: “I don’t think anyone tried to kill Michael on purpose but something went wrong, something happened and, yes, some of my family do think it’s murder.
“He had too many ‘yes’ men around him. With a bunch of ‘yes’ people around him there was no doubt he was headed for destruction. I’m talking about the doctors who were around him, the people he had working for him. It’s sad to say but these doctors would do anything for the money.”
Even though Jackson was slowly losing his battle against prescription drug addiction, he tried to shield it from his relatives, Marlon revealed.
He said: “Michael was a very private person. He didn’t like people to pry into that.
“At one point there was concern about the prescriptions, about his painkillers and whether he was taking too much, but he seemed to have everything under control."
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him."
HE WAS A GREAT DAD
“At the beginning all that stuff is great but then at the end… Everybody was judging him – and all the ridicule that went with it.”
Marlon struggled to remain composed as he spoke with emotion about the last time he saw his brother alive: “It was couple of weeks before he died. He was fine, he was great.
"He was laughing and joking with the kids. He was getting ready for the tour (to the UK for his London O2 dates) and he was excited about his show, but mainly we were talking about the kids. Michael did a great job in raising them. They are not celebrity kids.”
Marlon said fun-loving Blanket was squirting people with a water pistol at the family get-together.
“Blanket is 007 – he’s always on a mission. He’s so active,” he said. “Prince is really good at electronics. He is more into technical things. And Paris is just very precious. She has such a sweet heart. They are all pretty observant. They are very respectful."
“Their lasting memory of their dad will be the great times they had with him. Michael won’t be here but he will live forever in our hearts, in our souls. He will always be missed.”
Katherine Jackson has guardianship of the children while Debbie Rowe, the biological mother of the two eldest, has been granted visiting rights.
The identity of the surrogate mum who gave birth to Blanket has never been revealed.
But Marlon said: “I don’t care where those kids come from – Michael was their daddy. He raised them from birth.
“Anyone can have a kid, anyone can be a father. But it takes something special to be a daddy.”
And taking a swipe at Jackson’s skin specialist Dr Arnold Klein, who has repeatedly refused to refute speculation that he fathered Prince Michael and Paris, he said: “People like Klein just want money or fame. Those were Michael’s kids regardless of where they came from and that’s all that counts.”
The children are to be taught at home, following the curriculum of a local private school.
Marlon said: “They will be home-schooled at the Encino compound where we studied as kids. They have the room there for classrooms and a big theatre for lessons.”
Marlon, one of the Jackson Five, left Encino aged 18 when he married wife Carol Ann but kept in constant touch with his younger brother.
He said: “When Michael and I got together we always got on to talking about the old days.
HE LOVED PRACTICAL JOKES
“On that last day he was reminiscing about how we once wet rolls of toilet tissue and threw them out of hotel windows. And how we filled up trash cans with water and threw the water down on to the street. We were pranksters, the pair of us.
“I just remember the last thing we said to each other was, ‘I love you’, and his last line was always, ‘I love you more’. And that was the last thing he said to me.”
Growing up in extreme poverty in the city of Gary, Indiana, Michael and Marlon lived in a two-bedroom house his parents bought for £500.
Marlon, who was just 17 months older than Michael, became his closest friend. The two little boys shared a bed.
“Michael and I slept in the same bed in a triple bunk,” he said. “Jermaine and Tito shared another bed and Jackie had the third bed to himself because Randy was just a baby."
“Michael and I used to look out of the window across the road across the field and say to each car that came along, ‘When I grow up I want to have that car’.
“That was as far as his ambition went. Wanting to be a superstar never really dawned on us.”
Michael loathed their dad Joe, accusing him of beating him as a child, which Joe, who lives apart from Katherine, has always denied.
But Marlon insisted: “My father beat us a lot of times. I felt resentful.
“That sort of discipline wasn’t abnormal in our neighbourhood but it doesn’t mean it was right.”
And Marlon believes the beatings may have fatally damaged Jacko’s self-esteem and ability to fend for himself.
BROTHERS PLAN TRIBUTE SONG
“It does a couple of things to you – it forms you into this person who is not able to confront people when they’re not satisfied with things."
“It also makes people able to take advantage of you. I found a lot of my siblings were that way.”
The Jackson brothers – Marlon, Tito, Jermaine and Jackie – have pre-recorded a reality TV show which is set to be broadcast in the US several days after the funeral.
Marlon said: “We started shooting this in February so this has been planned for a long time."
“I think it’s also likely that at some point we will all get together to do a tribute song for Michael.”
Still struggling to come to terms with his grief, Marlon wakes early every day.
He said: “Every morning I get up around 6.30am and sit out on my porch and since Michael died there has been a little humming bird sitting there."
“He’s been there five times now and he just lands for around five seconds.
“The last time he was there I said, ‘OK Michael, how are you doing? I hope you’re doing alright’ and I think he is."
You made a good observation about the concrete from Neverland and Charlie Chaplin,you are very smart. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
This part about Marlon speaking its very intresting:
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him." <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Reading this part about how they lived when they were in Gary in that little house
reminded me of something <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> :
“I just remember the last thing we said to each other was, ‘I love you’, and his last line was always, ‘I love you more’. And that was the last thing he said to me.”
Growing up in extreme poverty in the city of Gary, Indiana, Michael and Marlon lived in a two-bedroom house his parents bought for £500.
Marlon, who was just 17 months older than Michael, became his closest friend. The two little boys shared a bed.
“Michael and I slept in the same bed in a triple bunk,” he said. “Jermaine and Tito shared another bed and Jackie had the third bed to himself because Randy was just a baby."
“Michael and I used to look out of the window across the road across the field and say to each car that came along, ‘When I grow up I want to have that car’.
“That was as far as his ambition went. Wanting to be a superstar never really dawned on us.”
OMG just now I realize from were I know PEARL JR.I knew I know her from somewere.Last year in 2009 after 25 june I bought a newspaper with a dvd about Michael's life.Its about his legacy and on the cover of the DVD its Michael from Bad era I think with a red curtain in his back <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> .On the back of the Dvd it say something about his legacy and that it will pass alot of time until we realize and understand the value of his legacy!!! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
In this documenatry Pearl jr who is younger I think <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> say about Michael life before beeing famous and that he slept with his brothers in one bed.So thats why people dont understand his thing with sleeping with children in the bed .And after she present Michael's life in Gary and after that what we saw in june last year;the press conference,the memorial and the fans in front of Stample Center.I have to look again at the DVD,because my memoty fails me,excuse me. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
<!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> Coincidences aside, the problem is that any analysis is nothing more than imagination, according to a fact accompli, and that this fact accompli is not necessarily linked to death false.
For example, the words "MJ 2040" can mean a continuation of its enduring success since 1969.
That is, there is absolutely nothing guaranteeing the correlation with a fake death because Michael has a logical explanation for everything he does.
Another example, in the essay "This Is It" when he says, "involve the public and snap your fingers and then Bam, the statement could mean for the team prepare, according to all their shows, namely:
1 - "Playing with the audience," is a time of preparation of the stage, the musicians.
2 - "And I snap my fingers," to say "I'm ready," and
3 - "Bam", this means the resumption of performance.
Forgive me my skepticism, pragmatism, stupidity, or whatever. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Let's not forget Chinese horoscope to make the picture a little bit rounder.
Chinese horoscope does not concentrate on predicting future but on explaining social behaviour and pros and cons of getting along with someone.
Jan 28, 1960 would translate into a Metal Rat.
METAL RAT Horoscope
Jan 28, 1960 to Feb 14, 1961
Rat people are so charming and attractive they are always surrounded by friends and admirers. They can also be lone tumbleweeds, seldom making lasting friendships. Known as Perfectionists, they never want to lose face. It takes an understanding friend to get them to "put on the dancing plumes." Rat people have vivid imagination and are known for creating extraordinarily magic moments in time. Not surprisingly, the sensitive Rats have the gift of insight and clairvoyance, so you better watch out what you think around them! Rats enjoy being leaders and pacesetters and usually enjoy extraordinary success in life.
Hearty Bean Soup is one of the keys to good health for a Rat!!
If ten people are deserted on a desert island, one of them will lead everyone to safety and that person will undoubtedly be the decisive clear-thinking Metal Rat. This is a natural born leader who inspires everyone through unparalleled leadership! Quite the visionary, the idealistic Rat will see cathedrals in the middle of the desert and make believers out of non-believers. He or she has all the traits necessary to win and keep friends, charm, sincerity, trustworthiness, as well as a sense of humor and grand adventure. The enormously capable Metal Rats are very successful in their career, with financial rewards keeping them forever in clover. When it comes to love, Metal Rats' hearts tend to be a bit brittle because they have been wounded by past love affairs. However, when the Rats finally find the right person, they will do all they can to pursue love, using every means at their disposal. Love becomes a high priority.
Famous RAT people: Richard Nixon, Shakespeare, Prince Charles, Julia Child, Louis Armstrong, Prince Andrew, Andrew Lloyd-Webber, Kathleen Battle, Albert Finney
Rats are both charming and aggressive. They appear calm and well balanced on the surface,but underneath, they are restless and a little nervous. Rats are compatible,hard working, and they know how to hang on to a penny. They are never without admirers. They are very appealing.They have a bright and happy personality,and this keeps them busy socially.They love parties and other large gatherings. They like belonging to exclusive clubs and will often have a close circle of fellow conspirators.They like involvement and are very outgoing. Rats cherish friends and loved ones. For this reason,they often get entangled with others'problems and lives.
Rats love money and are quite shrewd where a buck is concerned. It is a hard task to separate Rats from their money. However, Rats can be very generous when their loved ones are concerned. Relatives are always welcome. Rats are definitely clannish and clever. With all these people around, Rats always find tasks for them to earn their keep. People will be put to work quickly in the Rat's house. Rats know how to keep a secret, if it's their own,but they are adept at finding out what others try to keep to themselves, and Rats wouldn't be above using the information if it were to their benefit.
One can always tell when Rats are upset. They become edgy,very nervous, and quite nagging. Rats are always taken by a bargain. They often buy things they don't need and tend to save everything. Souvenirs and sentimental odds and ends are found tucked away everywhere.
Since they make it a point to know everything about everybody,Rats are excellent writers. They have a good memory and are extremely inquisitive. Rats can be successful in almost everything they try to do. They easily adapt themselves to the situation at hand. They are at their best during any crisis and are great problem solvers. Rats are very level headed and are also very alert. Their intuition is strong and are always on the lookout for opportunities to better themselves. Rats seldom get into jams they can't escape since they cover themselves well in advance.They have a built in alarm system.
One of the Rat's biggest fault is that they try to do too much at once. They often scatter their energies and get nothing accomplished. Once they learn to finish what they have started,there is no stopping them from being successful. The Rat must also watch those fast deals and those great bargains. In these areas their judgment may fail them. They must not become too greedy,or they will suffer a financial blow or two.
Rats have great respect for their parents and dote on their own children. They love their home. Family life is very important to them. Rats born during the evening are tempted to a more hectic life than those born during the day.
Rats learn early, quickly, and are avid readers. They know how to express themselves well-both written and orally. Given the slightest chance, Rats can make a success of their lives.
There's the companion and other aspects in addition to the elements that define more details in a Chinese horoscope personality description.
I think it is quite interesting...
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Thanks for the info Grace...quite informative. I did a little digging into my own; Water Tiger. OMG someone's been in my house taking pictures & reading my mail! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- m -->http://www.usbridalguide.com/special/ch ... /Tiger.htm<!-- m -->
Tigers take pride in being different than others and generally illustrate their originality best in their homes. Tigers can utilize their atmosphere with color and light. A Tiger’s home will be filled with exotic treasures from trips past... *snicker snicker. My home is definitely my Castle <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> : Medieval & Renaissance Art meets Celtic, Arthurian, Tuscan, Wood, Metal, Tapestry, Leather & Old World Decor with a side of Scottish Armoire & Tae Kwon D0. I'm an exotic mess...
Boy, I'm late.. Hey, TS, great post, though I can't say I wasn't wishing for more! It's not easy for me to really get on and read and post, (which is frustrating because it does feel like I never can figure out anything useful to the hoax, and anything I do has already been said..) but I want to say: I'm still reading here and will not be leaving. MJ, if you see this: I wasn't one of those people who was a big fan of celebrities and music, it was you as a person that interested me, and you can be sure that my main concern to this day is reading into your hoax and helping you! Oh, and Elvis- you've got some great eyelashes, boy! Thank you for helping MJ, and I can't wait for Eliza to be proven in court.
I'm not going to try to debunk all this, by the way, not only am I too math-dumb, but I can already see the pointlessness..!
I didn't have time to finish this earlier, TS, but I don't think I've told you how much your posts have opened my eyes- I will forever be grateful to you, Elvis and MJ for that. I think I'm going to go back and read some of the TIAI threads again. I know I don't know any of you, but I love you all through the spirits I feel through the music- and your posts, TS!
You know, I don't know why, but just now, "The Sign" kind of reminded me of the part of TII where "MJ" ("Sammy" the double) says something about not starting the music yet, and "wait for my growl, that growl"- along those lines. Probably no connection and just my head though, because he means the growl is like a "sign", you know?
TS has excelled this time ... amazing! Thanks TS!!
Despite the indication of some dates importants, to me it seemed that the Bam takes a while yet, because it is dependent on the progress of the Elisa's case and the process of Murray.
But TS shows us that more important than the Bam is understanding the truth about it, because it is already a great step to understanding the Hoax and lessen the shock the world again when Michael come back ... and speaking on his return from Michael ... could either be before the release of their CD! It would be wonderful!!
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him."
That part above is revealing ALOT to me. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
I had a conversation with Dmovie27 about my theory on this very subject.
The fact that Michael created a Monster...his Fame, "fans" and the media.
I compared Michael to the story of Frankenstein. I said Michael played both parts in that story. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein<!-- m -->
The Mad scientist and the monster Frankenstein.
I also compared the monster Frankenstein to the "fans" and the media.
Michael created this monster and he is responsible for it and he is the only one who can kill it. (IMO & my theory, not fact)
I did see the thread about the Smuley Tapes and I read what you wrote about Howard Hughes. I was placing this Homage to Howard here as this thread will be read by many more people.
I have actually had the Howard, Charlie Chaplin (cement) and Frankenstein theory since March. I didn't post my theories back then because I wait to see if anyone else would find the comparisons. Since I didn't see any mention about the cement, I posted it and in this thread because it felt right to put it here.
The connection with Elvis and Jim Morrison is the fact that Elvis became fasinated about the idea of "hoaxing" his death after he saw how Jim Morrison was treated when he died.
It is spelled out on the attachment I posted on the thread you linked here.
That came from Elvis/Jesse's book and I got the info from Linda's website.
I don't speak to or keep tabs on Dmovie27. I have been done since I wrote on the thread you found in the hoax video section.
Holy cow and I am glad I have followed the hoax for the last yr and a half otherwise this post would have me banging my head against the wall! I do have one question if someone can help me with this.
I have a form of dyslexia that deals with numbers (dyscalculia). In fact, when I see them the way they have been laid out I get VERY frustrated and cannot even add 2+2 if anyone can understand?
I do not understand the numerology because numbers leave me confused especially when grouped like this. I can add subtract multiply and divide.. Only people who understand this form of dyslexia can get what I am saying. Can someone help me understand numerology, please? If you are willing to do this, please send me a pm. I want to know what all these numbers mean. I want to know if a BAM is predicted in these numbers and what to expect. This was embarrassing for me to write <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Holy cow and I am glad I have followed the hoax for the last yr and a half otherwise this post would have me banging my head against the wall! I do have one question if someone can help me with this.
I have a form of dyslexia that deals with numbers (dyscalculia). In fact, when I see them the way they have been laid out I get VERY frustrated and cannot even add 2+2 if anyone can understand?
I do not understand the numerology because numbers leave me confused especially when grouped like this. I can add subtract multiply and divide.. Only people who understand this form of dyslexia can get what I am saying. Can someone help me understand numerology, please? If you are willing to do this, please send me a pm. I want to know what all these numbers mean. I want to know if a BAM is predicted in these numbers and what to expect. This was embarrassing for me to write <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Thank you!
I have the same but didn't want to admit it here but now you have said it, I can join you.
I don't think anyone should be embarrassed about having difficulty with the numbers. Different people learn in different ways. Just because the mainstream math teaching method in schools isn't effective for a child doesn't mean there's something "wrong" with child... rather, something is wrong with the method.
The time has come. ( I hope so)
It is now I see and feel that calling once again.
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,make all feel one, (mission accomplished)
one in joy ,(accomplished),
one in pain, (super accomplished)
one in love,(double super accomplished)
one in service (supper upper accomplished)
and in conciousness.( yeeeep, more than ever Mr Jackson <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> )
-Michael Jackson
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him."
That part above is revealing ALOT to me. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
I had a conversation with Dmovie27 about my theory on this very subject.
The fact that Michael created a Monster...his Fame, "fans" and the media.
I compared Michael to the story of Frankenstein. I said Michael played both parts in that story. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein<!-- m -->
The Mad scientist and the monster Frankenstein.
I also compared the monster Frankenstein to the "fans" and the media.
Michael created this monster and he is responsible for it and he is the only one who can kill it. (IMO & my theory, not fact)
I did see the thread about the Smuley Tapes and I read what you wrote about Howard Hughes. I was placing this Homage to Howard here as this thread will be read by many more people.
I have actually had the Howard, Charlie Chaplin (cement) and Frankenstein theory since March. I didn't post my theories back then because I wait to see if anyone else would find the comparisons. Since I didn't see any mention about the cement, I posted it and in this thread because it felt right to put it here.
The connection with Elvis and Jim Morrison is the fact that Elvis became fasinated about the idea of "hoaxing" his death after he saw how Jim Morrison was treated when he died.
It is spelled out on the attachment I posted on the thread you linked here.
That came from Elvis/Jesse's book and I got the info from Linda's website.
I don't speak to or keep tabs on Dmovie27. I have been done since I wrote on the thread you found in the hoax video section.
Peace
Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!!
I believe the same like you that Michael had created this MONSTER named FAME.This thing about FAME reminded me about Lady Gaga's lirycs from one of her songs:
DO YOU WANT LOVE OR DO YOU WANT FAME?
Michael is a very complex man,he is a genius and like a riddle you know <!-- s --><!-- s --> .We never know what would he do next time:idea: <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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ROFLMAO...
This part is one of MY favorite scenes. I cried from laughing so hard @ The boy and Grammy!
A fame Monster <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
This year was the first time I watched this movie, it will never get old. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Peace
Talking about MOONWALKER ,I like very much too that part,lol.But I have something to show you,something I found recently about that blond little girl who played in the movie.Please watch this video ,you will be amazed what a beautiful woman is she today and how beautiful is she speaking about Michael.
The images are from Neverland where she is back after all this years.Omg her last words about Michael and Neverland made me cry so bad <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> .Can you imagine what a wonderful human being Michael is?????
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After watching the video about Neverland please go again and look for the second time at the video. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> .Yes please look again ,you heard me well,but this time dont look at the people ,look at the nature ,places,surroundings,buildings and trees.
I have a theory,but please read this with an open mind ok?
Last year after looking at the FUNERAL on youtube,something about THAT PLACE WAS FAMILIAR TO ME <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> .I dont remember well but last year I saw a video called:Floating Over Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch...
You will be amazed to find out that after the FUNERAL this video was blocked by SONY, <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> .I knew it,the images are almost identical with the ones from Funeral.Its someone from a zeppelin who is filming the ranch but now this video its blocked.I wonder whyyyy?????????? And why by Sony if there are just images?????? What Sony has to do with Neverland????? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> .
I dont know if you know but Moonwalker was made at Neverland and can you imagine how big Neverland is????? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> .You can build an entire studio there,so what do you say about my theory? This theory was in my head from last year but now I had the chance to share it to you <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> .
Here are more videos over Neverland and the one from Funeral,to compare.I thik that the images from Funeral from above was done deliberately <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> ,to see how clever we are maybe???? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Flying with Robert - Neverland Ranch
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Michael Jackson Neverland Ranch
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Neverland: Then and Now ]
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Michael Jackson Neverland Ranch - Brando Wedding 1994
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Michael Jackson Funeral (3) Who is the mystery man in the obvious disguise?
You have done your homework on the vids, thanks for these. There is alot to analyze so I will need some TIME to watch and then I will be ready to give a fair opinion.
I am just now in the middle of reading the 10 pages on "BACK" postings.
I will state now that Michael's movie Moonwalker reveals alot of info on his plans from way back. The whole movie is actually a designed plan. Every scene is relevant to Michael's life as we know it today.
In the movie he has 3 children who are with him. 2 boys and 1 girl.
Real LIFE he has Prince 1 boy, Paris 1 girl and Blanket 1 boy ( who is darker skin tone)like the boy in the movie.
When I read Linda's website on Elvis/Jesse I apply Michael and the parallels to Elvis and look for clues based on that. Meaning Elvis/Jesse has stated to Linda to watch ALL of his movies and videos for clues he left.
Another favorite scene of mine from Michael's Captain EO. I saw this for the first time this year. I lmao, it is awesome.
I somehow relate to the Creature lady, and her heart being harden.
After Captain EO smooth talken to her she is TRANSFORMED.
I relate to that, as of Jan. 2010 I was that "Heiness" crusty creature woman, lol
Then I found this website and I am TRANSFORMED.
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Here is a nice video of Elizabeth as Cleopatra and Michael.
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The reloaded version of Captain EO has the creature woman turn into Elizabeth looking like Cleopatra.
IMO another Homage from Michael to Elizbeth intertwined in clues for this "hoax"
I didn´t want to open a new thread just to post this;
While doing some research, i came by chance to this quotes;
Second Coming of Christ - No One Knows When The Second Coming of Christ is plagued by many false teachings. Prediction books have even been written picking the exact day of Jesus' return. These books may sell many copies, but they mislead their readers. There's one guarantee: As soon as someone predicts the day or time of Jesus Christ's second coming, that prediction is wrong. Why? Simply, only God the Father knows when it will be -- Jesus doesn't even know. Jesus told His disciples:
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." (Matthew 24:36, 40 & 42)
Second Coming of Christ - Signs for Keeping Watch
We could just shrug our shoulders and casually wait for the Second Coming of Christ. However, Jesus wants us to "keep watch." A great way to keep watch is to know what the Bible reveals about upcoming events and compare those to what we see happening today. There are nearly 100 biblical passages discussing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The key events can be summarized with the acrostic: S - E - C - O - N - D.
I have been reading another thread with a so called "BACK" whos signature seems to be
Keep Watchin'
TS, explained that his name was This is also it and Study, all together....but what about The Second?
If we take this in a metaphorical context;
Joe=The father=God?
MJ=Jesus?
The disciples= The people involved in the hoax?
Coming of Christ is plagued by many false teachings. Prediction books have even been written picking the exact day of Jesus' return. These books may sell many copies, but they mislead their readers
In deed. How many trolls have been misleading us?
Jesus wants us to "keep watch." A great way to keep watch is to know what the Bible reveals about upcoming events and compare those to what we see happening today. There are nearly 100 biblical passages discussing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The key events can be summarized with the acrostic: S - E - C - O - N - D.
Well, from that point of view almost looks like if this hoax has the biblical passages discussing the 2nd coming of Christ (a.k.a MJ) to know the revelation about the upcoming events regarding a possible come back....summarized the key events
with the acrostic......
Has this hoax been following the bible as the roll model book?
I can tell you one thing here and that is that I won't be attempting it,after 4years with finance as a module on my degree course guess what....yah I still suck at math!ha.My mind is blown just from reading that post.
I am new to reading your posts and updates,I was sent a link by a friend who only hinted you knew what you were talking about and would maybe help me with what I need to know,so I am going through them one by one.
I have my own theory,obviously,don't we all?but I am intrigued to see if they cross paths with the ideas and reasons behind each part of this...'hoax'.That is such a negative word....Lets call it a production instead.
Looking forward to seeing what comes up next.
Sinderella
(and no I don't have to be home by midnight <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> )
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Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc
We must discard the theory of murder?, .... this gets complicated <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
The profile I've mentioned describes in my opinion only a few aspects of the complicated person who is MJ.
I would give the credit to Elizabeth Taylor, who seems to understand Michael very well.
I can't forget when she describes him as very shrude (i hope this is word she really used - sorry my english is far from perfection ).
Also very intuitive and most of all capable to convey all sort of emotions to people.
Is this important for the hoax? I don't know, but when first I've heard Michael is still alive I sayed "yes, it matches his profile". But also is very possible that his profile as we perceive it might be only an illusion. We see what Mr. Jackson wants us to see.
But I'm not complaining about it <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!
Im with you thank you for your hard work!!!
The link betewn Mj and Howard Huges was disscused here already but it seems that people didnt saw the post about this subjects:
- Howard Hughes had doubles
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=13753
- Interesting stuff from the Rabbi Shmuley book (Leonardo Dicaprio payled tthe role of Howard Huges in THE AVIATOR)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=11485
You made a good observation about the concrete from Neverland and Charlie Chaplin,you are very smart. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
This part about Marlon speaking its very intresting:
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him." <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Reading this part about how they lived when they were in Gary in that little house
reminded me of something <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> :
“I just remember the last thing we said to each other was, ‘I love you’, and his last line was always, ‘I love you more’. And that was the last thing he said to me.”
Growing up in extreme poverty in the city of Gary, Indiana, Michael and Marlon lived in a two-bedroom house his parents bought for £500.
Marlon, who was just 17 months older than Michael, became his closest friend. The two little boys shared a bed.
“Michael and I slept in the same bed in a triple bunk,” he said. “Jermaine and Tito shared another bed and Jackie had the third bed to himself because Randy was just a baby."
“Michael and I used to look out of the window across the road across the field and say to each car that came along, ‘When I grow up I want to have that car’.
“That was as far as his ambition went. Wanting to be a superstar never really dawned on us.”
OMG just now I realize from were I know PEARL JR.I knew I know her from somewere.Last year in 2009 after 25 june I bought a newspaper with a dvd about Michael's life.Its about his legacy and on the cover of the DVD its Michael from Bad era I think with a red curtain in his back <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s
In this documenatry Pearl jr who is younger I think <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> say about Michael life before beeing famous and that he slept with his brothers in one bed.So thats why people dont understand his thing with sleeping with children in the bed .And after she present Michael's life in Gary and after that what we saw in june last year;the press conference,the memorial and the fans in front of Stample Center.I have to look again at the DVD,because my memoty fails me,excuse me. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Can you please tell me what was that connection with Jim Morrison and Elvis?
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13343&p=223649#p223649
Do you have news about dmovie27? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Love and Peace to all!!!
For example, the words "MJ 2040" can mean a continuation of its enduring success since 1969.
That is, there is absolutely nothing guaranteeing the correlation with a fake death because Michael has a logical explanation for everything he does.
Another example, in the essay "This Is It" when he says, "involve the public and snap your fingers and then Bam, the statement could mean for the team prepare, according to all their shows, namely:
1 - "Playing with the audience," is a time of preparation of the stage, the musicians.
2 - "And I snap my fingers," to say "I'm ready," and
3 - "Bam", this means the resumption of performance.
Forgive me my skepticism, pragmatism, stupidity, or whatever. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Thanks for the info Grace...quite informative. I did a little digging into my own; Water Tiger. OMG someone's been in my house taking pictures & reading my mail! <!-- s
Tigers take pride in being different than others and generally illustrate their originality best in their homes. Tigers can utilize their atmosphere with color and light. A Tiger’s home will be filled with exotic treasures from trips past... *snicker snicker. My home is definitely my Castle <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> : Medieval & Renaissance Art meets Celtic, Arthurian, Tuscan, Wood, Metal, Tapestry, Leather & Old World Decor with a side of Scottish Armoire & Tae Kwon D0. I'm an exotic mess...
I'm not going to try to debunk all this, by the way, not only am I too math-dumb, but I can already see the pointlessness..!
You know, I don't know why, but just now, "The Sign" kind of reminded me of the part of TII where "MJ" ("Sammy" the double) says something about not starting the music yet, and "wait for my growl, that growl"- along those lines. Probably no connection and just my head though, because he means the growl is like a "sign", you know?
Despite the indication of some dates importants, to me it seemed that the Bam takes a while yet, because it is dependent on the progress of the Elisa's case and the process of Murray.
But TS shows us that more important than the Bam is understanding the truth about it, because it is already a great step to understanding the Hoax and lessen the shock the world again when Michael come back ... and speaking on his return from Michael ... could either be before the release of their CD! It would be wonderful!!
That part above is revealing ALOT to me. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
I had a conversation with Dmovie27 about my theory on this very subject.
The fact that Michael created a Monster...his Fame, "fans" and the media.
I compared Michael to the story of Frankenstein. I said Michael played both parts in that story. <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein<!-- m -->
The Mad scientist and the monster Frankenstein.
I also compared the monster Frankenstein to the "fans" and the media.
Michael created this monster and he is responsible for it and he is the only one who can kill it. (IMO & my theory, not fact)
@applehead,
I did see the thread about the Smuley Tapes and I read what you wrote about Howard Hughes. I was placing this Homage to Howard here as this thread will be read by many more people.
I have actually had the Howard, Charlie Chaplin (cement) and Frankenstein theory since March. I didn't post my theories back then because I wait to see if anyone else would find the comparisons. Since I didn't see any mention about the cement, I posted it and in this thread because it felt right to put it here.
The connection with Elvis and Jim Morrison is the fact that Elvis became fasinated about the idea of "hoaxing" his death after he saw how Jim Morrison was treated when he died.
It is spelled out on the attachment I posted on the thread you linked here.
That came from Elvis/Jesse's book and I got the info from Linda's website.
I don't speak to or keep tabs on Dmovie27. I have been done since I wrote on the thread you found in the hoax video section.
Peace
I have a form of dyslexia that deals with numbers (dyscalculia). In fact, when I see them the way they have been laid out I get VERY frustrated and cannot even add 2+2 if anyone can understand?
I do not understand the numerology because numbers leave me confused especially when grouped like this. I can add subtract multiply and divide.. Only people who understand this form of dyslexia can get what I am saying. Can someone help me understand numerology, please? If you are willing to do this, please send me a pm. I want to know what all these numbers mean. I want to know if a BAM is predicted in these numbers and what to expect. This was embarrassing for me to write <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
Thank you!
I have the same but didn't want to admit it here but now you have said it, I can join you.
ROFLMAO...
This part is one of MY favorite scenes. I cried from laughing so hard @ The boy and Grammy!
A fame Monster <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
This year was the first time I watched this movie, it will never get old. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Peace
4x the time has come
four year timeframe?
The time has come. ( I hope so)
It is now I see and feel that calling once again.
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,make all feel one, (mission accomplished)
one in joy ,(accomplished),
one in pain, (super accomplished)
one in love,(double super accomplished)
one in service (supper upper accomplished)
and in conciousness.( yeeeep, more than ever Mr Jackson <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> )
-Michael Jackson
In all seriousness, I don't think we will know until he/she wants to reveal themselves.
I do love a bit of mystery. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!!
I believe the same like you that Michael had created this MONSTER named FAME.This thing about FAME reminded me about Lady Gaga's lirycs from one of her songs:
DO YOU WANT LOVE OR DO YOU WANT FAME?
Michael is a very complex man,he is a genius and like a riddle you know <!-- s
Talking about MOONWALKER ,I like very much too that part,lol.But I have something to show you,something I found recently about that blond little girl who played in the movie.Please watch this video ,you will be amazed what a beautiful woman is she today and how beautiful is she speaking about Michael.
The images are from Neverland where she is back after all this years.Omg her last words about Michael and Neverland made me cry so bad <!-- s
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After watching the video about Neverland please go again and look for the second time at the video. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> .Yes please look again ,you heard me well,but this time dont look at the people ,look at the nature ,places,surroundings,buildings and trees.
I have a theory,but please read this with an open mind ok?
Last year after looking at the FUNERAL on youtube,something about THAT PLACE WAS FAMILIAR TO ME <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> .I dont remember well but last year I saw a video called:Floating Over Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch...
You will be amazed to find out that after the FUNERAL this video was blocked by SONY, <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> .I knew it,the images are almost identical with the ones from Funeral.Its someone from a zeppelin who is filming the ranch but now this video its blocked.I wonder whyyyy?????????? And why by Sony if there are just images?????? What Sony has to do with Neverland????? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> .
I dont know if you know but Moonwalker was made at Neverland and can you imagine how big Neverland is????? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> .You can build an entire studio there,so what do you say about my theory? This theory was in my head from last year but now I had the chance to share it to you <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> .
Here are more videos over Neverland and the one from Funeral,to compare.I thik that the images from Funeral from above was done deliberately <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> ,to see how clever we are maybe???? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s
Flying with Robert - Neverland Ranch
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Michael Jackson Neverland Ranch
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Neverland: Then and Now ]
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Michael Jackson Neverland Ranch - Brando Wedding 1994
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Michael Jackson Funeral (3) Who is the mystery man in the obvious disguise?
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The Michael Jackson Funeral (2)
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LOVE
@applehead,
You have done your homework on the vids, thanks for these. There is alot to analyze so I will need some TIME to watch and then I will be ready to give a fair opinion.
I am just now in the middle of reading the 10 pages on "BACK" postings.
I will state now that Michael's movie Moonwalker reveals alot of info on his plans from way back. The whole movie is actually a designed plan. Every scene is relevant to Michael's life as we know it today.
In the movie he has 3 children who are with him. 2 boys and 1 girl.
Real LIFE he has Prince 1 boy, Paris 1 girl and Blanket 1 boy ( who is darker skin tone)like the boy in the movie.
When I read Linda's website on Elvis/Jesse I apply Michael and the parallels to Elvis and look for clues based on that. Meaning Elvis/Jesse has stated to Linda to watch ALL of his movies and videos for clues he left.
Peace
Another favorite scene of mine from Michael's Captain EO. I saw this for the first time this year. I lmao, it is awesome.
I somehow relate to the Creature lady, and her heart being harden.
After Captain EO smooth talken to her she is TRANSFORMED.
I relate to that, as of Jan. 2010 I was that "Heiness" crusty creature woman, lol
Then I found this website and I am TRANSFORMED.
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Here is a nice video of Elizabeth as Cleopatra and Michael.
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The reloaded version of Captain EO has the creature woman turn into Elizabeth looking like Cleopatra.
IMO another Homage from Michael to Elizbeth intertwined in clues for this "hoax"
Peace
While doing some research, i came by chance to this quotes;
Second Coming of Christ - No One Knows When
The Second Coming of Christ is plagued by many false teachings. Prediction books have even been written picking the exact day of Jesus' return. These books may sell many copies, but they mislead their readers. There's one guarantee: As soon as someone predicts the day or time of Jesus Christ's second coming, that prediction is wrong. Why? Simply, only God the Father knows when it will be -- Jesus doesn't even know. Jesus told His disciples:
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." (Matthew 24:36, 40 & 42)
Second Coming of Christ - Signs for Keeping Watch
We could just shrug our shoulders and casually wait for the Second Coming of Christ. However, Jesus wants us to "keep watch." A great way to keep watch is to know what the Bible reveals about upcoming events and compare those to what we see happening today. There are nearly 100 biblical passages discussing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The key events can be summarized with the acrostic: S - E - C - O - N - D.
I have been reading another thread with a so called "BACK" whos signature seems to be
Keep Watchin'
TS, explained that his name was This is also it and Study, all together....but what about The Second?
If we take this in a metaphorical context;
Joe=The father=God?
MJ=Jesus?
The disciples= The people involved in the hoax?
Byble quotes has been used several times
In deed. How many trolls have been misleading us?
Well, from that point of view almost looks like if this hoax has the biblical passages discussing the 2nd coming of Christ (a.k.a MJ) to know the revelation about the upcoming events regarding a possible come back....summarized the key events
with the acrostic......
Has this hoax been following the bible as the roll model book?
(time for me to go to bed)
I am new to reading your posts and updates,I was sent a link by a friend who only hinted you knew what you were talking about and would maybe help me with what I need to know,so I am going through them one by one.
I have my own theory,obviously,don't we all?but I am intrigued to see if they cross paths with the ideas and reasons behind each part of this...'hoax'.That is such a negative word....Lets call it a production instead.
Looking forward to seeing what comes up next.
Sinderella
(and no I don't have to be home by midnight <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> )