by RK » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:37 am
If someone was on life support it would not be hard to get the death date to line up with the numerology of the hoax. It would be a matter of turning off the machine. Just a thought.
And Propofol is used as sedation for mechanically ventilated adults according to:
Oh goodness Bec, I'm so glad you said this. I composed a post this morning saying as much then didn't submit it because I thought I'd get accused of criticising TS!
I think TS does not always direct us to the 'truth', but sometimes (as now) sends us on wild goose chases with red herrings (sorry for any non English speakers who probably think I've lost my marbles!), especially if we get too close to uncovering what really happened. Assuming TS and MJ are linked, he doesn't want us working it all out. MJ wants OUR jaws on the floor as well as the rest of the world's!
And you know how TS never just comes out and says it the way it is, there's always something cryptic about his posts and redirects. This one today could be taken, and has been by many, to mean there was a body used, but TS will easily be able to come back and explain that it was just meant to show MJ's body wasn't involved i.e. he's not dead!
TS is a tricky one, but in a good way. A good storyteller doesn't give too much away. We're the children gathered around Michael with our mouths open, glued to every word.
Just going by what MJ has done in the past. Illusion and magic are key elements. His world is make-up, professional artists and actors, lots of technology, knowledge of various fields including medical. With all the gruesomeness of Thriller, or in the real world of movie-making such as Pirates of the Caribbean, there is no real decaying corpse involved. When BAM has come and MJ hopefully does some explaining, I don't think he's going to tell us some funny outtakes about when things went wrong and rigormortis kicked in and scared everyone, or everyone was gagging at the smell, or the eyelids wouldn't close and they ripped them trying to close them, on and on.
... and the "wild goose chases" and "red herrings" are terms used in an ARG, which is something Serenity's Dream referred to in the original post that TS is redirecting to. So, IMO, this is what TS wants to highlight ... that we have been in an ARG situtation from the start and we are not meant to figure it out too soon, hence the red herrings that Curls pointed out will no doubt continue <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Completely OT:
Is that red herring term significant? Where does it come from? The only reason I ask is because "herring" makes me think of the Broadway Monty Python play "Spamalot" that I saw a couple years ago. (The Knights of Ni tell King Author he has to cut down a tree with a herring. lol) One of the songs in Spamalot is "I'm Not Dead Yet".
Part of the song:
I am not dead yet
I can dance and I can sing
I am not dead yet
I can do the Highland Fling
I am not dead yet
No need to go to bed
No need to call the doctor
Cause I'm not yet dead.
As I said completely off topic but every time I see that word herring on this board I think of that. Cracks me up. lol
If you concede that the EMTs are real and not in on it, then you must concede that the 911 call was real.
One leads to the other.
I don't believe there was a real body of any sort, at any time in this hoax. I've thrown out lots of reasons why in the past, but I guess it really boils down to just gut instinct... a hunch.
Hard to do anything all for L.O.V.E. while mishandling a corpse. It's super bad PR. Dead bodies are not part of family friendly entertainment and MJ has always created entertainment appropriate for people of all ages.
I have a feeling TS is messing with us.
TS never messed with us before, why would he do it now? I don't think so. There has to be some key people who are in on the hoax in the authorities like in the D.A, the coroner, in the courts etc. Especially if Michael is under some kind of protection program. Why would it be hard to find a dead body who died soon? A fake autopsy could be established easily as long as the authorities are in on it. The dead body was probably needed just for the paramedics and probably some doctors at UCLA. And they used a different name so the doctors would not need to ask how it could be MJ since he didn't look any like him. The 911 call(s) we heard were fake but do we know that they are the only calls? Maybe there's a real call but Michael didn't want it to be heard and gave the fake ones on purpose as a clue. There has to be some real players in this game to make it look real.
From the beginning I have always thought it was ATTEMPTED MURDER. I think Michael was really transported to the hospital and I think that UCLA which is known for reviving the dead, helped bring Michael back. Now they are trying to get the perpetrators of the murder and the only way to do so is if it goes to trail and then the truth comes out.
If UCLA did indeed bring Michael back to life, and he has now gone into hiding, it would explain all the inconsistencies with the death certificate and the delaying of the burial, etc. Some people are aware that Michael survived and some are just trying to find out if he is and jumping on the bandwagon. A lot of them are scumbags but we will soon know who is on which side. It will be like judgment day where there will all be separated into good and evil.
I don't believe that Michael is doing this just for a movie, yes he is filming it to be the best movie ever but it is real and he was in danger and you can bet that the film will be a thriller.
@ Bec, THANK YOU. Mishandling, or what constitutes disrespect/abuse of a corpse is a crime everywhere. Not only would it be difficult to convince people anything MJ planned these last years was "all for love", additionally, he would spend the remainder of his life with the NEW tag as the spook who moved on to necromancy, and ruin like no one ever imagined.
I am certain, also, that the Michael Jackson at heart, exposed in the lyrics he penned himself, and the songs he chose to sing, and the kind loving actions he has done with his life and time (and fortune), is good, decent man, who would seriously recoil at hijacking, borrowing, bargaining for (pre-mortem), or any which way, utilizing a real human's remains, no matter WHO advised him during this ARG's planning.
This goes double for the idea that MJ would involve himself in assisted suicide (or any manner of attendance or approval of anyone's life willingly or arbitrarily being drained from their body, terminally ill or not). MJ is the eternally hopeful diehard. He wants everyone to LIVE forever. With God ALL things are possible; everything can turn around, as long as evil people do not interfere.
Besides, if an ill person in the hospital even looks as if they are close to death(within, say, days), it is not allowed for them to be discharged from the hospital, NO way, and anyone conspiring to help them leave would be prosecuted. So no ill friend of his could have offered himself for Hoax purposes, either.
Everyone who is saying they saw or handled a dead body is lying, or they could be giving true testimony about a completely different scene, which was subsequently (creatively) spliced to the MJ "death" story. After all, no EMT appeared on TV talking about this, we only heard some one say they said these things about "MJ's not looking recognizable, etc..." We have become accustomed to accepting words by anybody as fact, because it is the nature of news on TV, to report about someone else, when actually, unless it is THE first person speaking, we can't trust ANY of it. Just accept that. It is at best, scary entertainment, gossip. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
@Souza, <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> "Law and Order & Punked". INDEED. I love it <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
It's Her, I missed your post from the 1st but this is exactly what I have been trying to say for a year and a half on the subject. Real corpse? No way, it just makes no sense to use a real body. Ick. No. God. Why bother. Gross. It's so unnecessary and macabre and shady. Why be so family-friendly everywhere else and blow the whole thing into weirdo freak-show land by using a real dead body during the big illusion.
It would be like David Copperfield doing the "cut the lady in half" trick by actually chainsawing through a corpse on stage instead of the fake kicking legs sticking out of the box. Um... not so fun.
Bec wrote: Real corpse? No way, it just makes no sense to use a real body. Ick.
I have to agree with you Bec...ooouwww! But, I woudl like to know what the heck happened to E Cas. There was talk at one time that he was very ill, cancelled all his shows, and took down his myspace page. Others said they saw a picture of him at the Memorial, but I didn't think it looked like him at all. What if E Cas, who rumor had it was very ill, took Michael's place on June 25, 2009. The paramedic's statement about Micahel initially deceibed him as an old man, a hospice patient. Just thinkin' <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
Bec wrote: Real corpse? No way, it just makes no sense to use a real body. Ick.
I have to agree with you Bec...ooouwww! But, I woudl like to know what the heck happened to E Cas. There was talk at one time that he was very ill, cancelled all his shows, and took down his myspace page. Others said they saw a picture of him at the Memorial, but I didn't think it looked like him at all. What if E Cas, who rumor had it was very ill, took Michael's place on June 25, 2009. The paramedic's statement about Micahel initially deceibed him as an old man, a hospice patient. Just thinkin' <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
This is something that I have considered as well... but I do think there was a body involved; a double.
I saw E Cas' MySpace page saying he was terminally ill...then he disappeared along with this post and the page. The photo of him at the Memorial was revealed as photo-shopped by Tom/Piano Games I believe. Then he popped up again out of nowhere after another investigator started in on the twin theory on YT... E Cas has since put up a new MySpace page along with a newly released song ?! Give me a break. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Read his blog entries; something's going on. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
It's Her, I missed your post from the 1st but this is exactly what I have been trying to say for a year and a half on the subject. Real corpse? No way, it just makes no sense to use a real body. Ick. No. God. Why bother. Gross. It's so unnecessary and macabre and shady. Why be so family-friendly everywhere else and blow the whole thing into weirdo freak-show land by using a real dead body during the big illusion.
It would be like David Copperfield doing the "cut the lady in half" trick by actually chainsawing through a corpse on stage instead of the fake kicking legs sticking out of the box. Um... not so fun.
Yes! Exactly! "Cut the lady in half TRICK"
This is MJ's greatest ILLUSION. It is a massive and clever TRICK. NO one (particularly Michael Jackson---The Greatest Entertainer Who Ever Lived <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ), uses a real dead body for an ILLUSION. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Hi Bec, I guess I didn't know you had said this before; I try to stay out of the "messier" parts of the Hoax investigation <!-- s --><!-- s --> (I am waiting for the movie version <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> ). (and, I tend to stick with the more "philosophical" <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> aspects.) But, I was SO tickled to read your good old horse sense here on this thread! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> It was a no-brainer as well for me.
MJ is a master magician---how many magicians have any of us EVER seen pull a corpse outta their hats??? Eeewwww.
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Wow- lots of info to digest... That's all I have right now. My brain hurts...
And Propofol is used as sedation for mechanically ventilated adults according to:
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Completely OT:
Is that red herring term significant? Where does it come from? The only reason I ask is because "herring" makes me think of the Broadway Monty Python play "Spamalot" that I saw a couple years ago. (The Knights of Ni tell King Author he has to cut down a tree with a herring. lol) One of the songs in Spamalot is "I'm Not Dead Yet".
Part of the song:
I am not dead yet
I can dance and I can sing
I am not dead yet
I can do the Highland Fling
I am not dead yet
No need to go to bed
No need to call the doctor
Cause I'm not yet dead.
As I said completely off topic but every time I see that word herring on this board I think of that. Cracks me up. lol
TS never messed with us before, why would he do it now? I don't think so. There has to be some key people who are in on the hoax in the authorities like in the D.A, the coroner, in the courts etc. Especially if Michael is under some kind of protection program. Why would it be hard to find a dead body who died soon? A fake autopsy could be established easily as long as the authorities are in on it. The dead body was probably needed just for the paramedics and probably some doctors at UCLA. And they used a different name so the doctors would not need to ask how it could be MJ since he didn't look any like him. The 911 call(s) we heard were fake but do we know that they are the only calls? Maybe there's a real call but Michael didn't want it to be heard and gave the fake ones on purpose as a clue. There has to be some real players in this game to make it look real.
If UCLA did indeed bring Michael back to life, and he has now gone into hiding, it would explain all the inconsistencies with the death certificate and the delaying of the burial, etc. Some people are aware that Michael survived and some are just trying to find out if he is and jumping on the bandwagon. A lot of them are scumbags but we will soon know who is on which side. It will be like judgment day where there will all be separated into good and evil.
I don't believe that Michael is doing this just for a movie, yes he is filming it to be the best movie ever but it is real and he was in danger and you can bet that the film will be a thriller.
@ Bec, THANK YOU. Mishandling, or what constitutes disrespect/abuse of a corpse is a crime everywhere. Not only would it be difficult to convince people anything MJ planned these last years was "all for love", additionally, he would spend the remainder of his life with the NEW tag as the spook who moved on to necromancy, and ruin like no one ever imagined.
I am certain, also, that the Michael Jackson at heart, exposed in the lyrics he penned himself, and the songs he chose to sing, and the kind loving actions he has done with his life and time (and fortune), is good, decent man, who would seriously recoil at hijacking, borrowing, bargaining for (pre-mortem), or any which way, utilizing a real human's remains, no matter WHO advised him during this ARG's planning.
This goes double for the idea that MJ would involve himself in assisted suicide (or any manner of attendance or approval of anyone's life willingly or arbitrarily being drained from their body, terminally ill or not). MJ is the eternally hopeful diehard. He wants everyone to LIVE forever. With God ALL things are possible; everything can turn around, as long as evil people do not interfere.
Besides, if an ill person in the hospital even looks as if they are close to death(within, say, days), it is not allowed for them to be discharged from the hospital, NO way, and anyone conspiring to help them leave would be prosecuted. So no ill friend of his could have offered himself for Hoax purposes, either.
Everyone who is saying they saw or handled a dead body is lying, or they could be giving true testimony about a completely different scene, which was subsequently (creatively) spliced to the MJ "death" story. After all, no EMT appeared on TV talking about this, we only heard some one say they said these things about "MJ's not looking recognizable, etc..." We have become accustomed to accepting words by anybody as fact, because it is the nature of news on TV, to report about someone else, when actually, unless it is THE first person speaking, we can't trust ANY of it. Just accept that. It is at best, scary entertainment, gossip. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
@Souza, <!-- s
It would be like David Copperfield doing the "cut the lady in half" trick by actually chainsawing through a corpse on stage instead of the fake kicking legs sticking out of the box. Um... not so fun.
I have to agree with you Bec...ooouwww! But, I woudl like to know what the heck happened to E Cas. There was talk at one time that he was very ill, cancelled all his shows, and took down his myspace page. Others said they saw a picture of him at the Memorial, but I didn't think it looked like him at all. What if E Cas, who rumor had it was very ill, took Michael's place on June 25, 2009. The paramedic's statement about Micahel initially deceibed him as an old man, a hospice patient. Just thinkin' <!-- s:ugeek: -->:ugeek:<!-- s:ugeek: -->
This is something that I have considered as well... but I do think there was a body involved; a double.
I saw E Cas' MySpace page saying he was terminally ill...then he disappeared along with this post and the page. The photo of him at the Memorial was revealed as photo-shopped by Tom/Piano Games I believe. Then he popped up again out of nowhere after another investigator started in on the twin theory on YT... E Cas has since put up a new MySpace page along with a newly released song ?! Give me a break. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Read his blog entries; something's going on. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Yes! Exactly! "Cut the lady in half TRICK"
This is MJ's greatest ILLUSION. It is a massive and clever TRICK. NO one (particularly Michael Jackson---The Greatest Entertainer Who Ever Lived <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ), uses a real dead body for an ILLUSION. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Hi Bec, I guess I didn't know you had said this before; I try to stay out of the "messier" parts of the Hoax investigation <!-- s
MJ is a master magician---how many magicians have any of us EVER seen pull a corpse outta their hats??? Eeewwww.
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