@Purelove: Hi! Well, I haven´t read all the double stories yet, so I´m still quite "innocent" about that...<br /><br />Ok, the photos may tell their own story. But when I saw the O2 announcement, the person on stage looked and behaved so different from the Michael I knew, that it just jumped into my mind, that it´s probably not him.<br /><br /> Of course he has the right to change his looks and his image, but sorry Michael and everyone <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> , I don´t think it was the best choice if it really was him, which I still doubt.<br />I just am not able to proove it yet.
<br /><br />Well actually he didn't change his look. He's the same Michael. Just a different wig and that's all. Here are some videos that would make you see it clearly. <br /><br /><br />
@allforlove<br /><br />First off, I think you missed to read the last part of my post allforlove. So for better understanding I'll be posting it once more.<br /><br />
<br />People do not need to agree about this issue but they should be respectful to him, even if they do not believe it was Michael himself. [size=14pt]I'm talking in general here.[/size] I hope I didn't offend you allforlove.
<br /><br />As you can see, I was referring to the ones who call him horrible names, and not you. So you didn't need to be offended and get it on yourself.<br /><br />
Why not, you can't deny Michael changed his looks many times, so is it that far fetched to have doubt if it is him?
<br /><br />I disagree with that. He didn't change the way he looks after the 80s. And I'm saying that there's NO difference at all at the 02 Michael. That is the reason why I'm surprised he wasn't recognized.<br /><br /><br /><br />In the last picture on the right, it was just a night before he made the 02 announcement. The only difference might be about the cleft on his chin. It looks deeper at the 2000s.<br /><br />
I have never called him horrible names. In fact I think if it is Michael or a double he looks good, I just can't feel him, if you understand what I mean?
<br /><br />Hope you got that I wasn't talking about you in my post.<br /><br />
[size=14pt]Now you are being prejudiced. You don't know what I think or believe,[/size] so to say I have been effected by these stories is wrong. I always make my own opinion about someone. If it effect me in any way it would be the opposite effect. I feel sorry if there are bad rumors told about a person,it gives me more reason to really know the truth by learning to know him or her.
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<br />Everybody is entitled to have their own opinion. [size=14pt]Mine is that it wasn't Michael at the O2.[/size]<br />
<br /><br />You've already stated your opinion. So I wasn't prejudiced about what you think about 02 Michael. You wrote that 02 Michael was not Michael himself. I strongly believe that many people were effected so badly from all these twin and double theories. It's my opinion but it looks like it effected some a lot. <br /><br /><br />
Where did you ever see me not being repectful to him? I agree people should be respectful, always,even if they don't treat you respectful. It makes us human and civilised and I don't want to be some kind of unsensible, heartless bitch.
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<br />People do not need to agree about this issue but they should be respectful to him, even if they do not believe it was Michael himself. [size=14pt]I'm talking in general here.[/size] I hope I didn't offend you allforlove.[/b] http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk][/url]
<br /><br />I never wrote that you were disrespectful. You misread my post or didn't read it well. And once again, I hope I didn't offend you because that's not my intention. <br /><br />And finally I'd love to suggest you to watch these videos. There was another one that I watched very long time ago which proves that it was Michael at 02 from his behaviour and the walking style but I can't find the video. If I can find it, I'll be posting it too. <br /><br />
You are right, somehow I missed the part of talking in general.
These pictures you post are all Michael and yes on those he didn't change much.But you have to agree that during the Invicible period he did look different, maybe because of fillers or something I don't know.
I saw the vids you posted and I have to admit they are pretty convincing.That's why I say it's only my opinion and of course I can be wrong.
Maybe it was the lightning at the O2, I don't know anymore, I'm really confused now.. It's just that looking at him during the speech I never felt the warm feelings I usually get when I see him and I still think his laugh was way different. Maybe because he was so thin but he was also very thin at the Radio Music Award in 2003 and he didn't change there.But knowing Michael, whatever the case is, I'm convinced it was his intention to cause confusion about wether it's him or not.
You are right, somehow I missed the part of talking in general.<br /><br /><br /> <br /> These pictures you post are all Michael and yes on those he didn't change much.But you have to agree that during the Invicible period he did look different, maybe because of fillers or something I don't know.<br />I saw the vids you posted and I have to admit they are pretty convincing.That's why I say it's only my opinion and of course I can be wrong.<br />Maybe it was the lightning at the O2, I don't know anymore, I'm really confused now.. It's just that looking at him during the speech I never felt the warm feelings I usually get when I see him and I still think his laugh was way different. Maybe because he was so thin but he was also very thin at the Radio Music Award in 2003 and he didn't change there.But knowing Michael, whatever the case is, I'm convinced it was his intention to cause confusion about wether it's him or not.
<br /><br />That's ok hun. Sometimes we missread or miss some parts of the posts. You're such a very sweet person and I do love you and I would never ever want to hurt your feelings. I did understand that you missed reading the part where I wrote "in general". <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> <br /><br />The lighting is the MOST important thing in photography. It can make you look like totally a different person. I'm saying this as my profession is filmmaking and I was behind the camera many many times. Sometimes the actors ask you to make the shooting from the other side of them because they believe that they look different from both aspects. Also the lighting can make you look younger or older. <br /><br />About 02 Michael, let's say that he is an impersonator who disappeared like smoke in thin air after the 02 and let's say that his teeth, nose, lips, chin were done exactly the same like Michael's but how could they even make the bumps on his fingers exactly like Michael's? How did they make his long curved fingers exactly like Michael's? They can not change the bone structure. And there can be noone on this earth who can look exactly like Michael. His long arms, and legs, the shape of his face, how could all this be arranged exactly like Michael's? I looked out for every single double and I saw the ones who look like him BUT there are still lots and lots of differences when you get into the details and look carefully. For better comparison about what I was trying to say about the face's bone structure, here's a picture. And some more other pictures of him. The second picture is from 02 again. I know no other person who has the most beautiful smile other than Michael himself. Look at him. That was definitely our angel at 02.<br /><br /><br /><br />And about how the lighting can change the way you look. Just an example from Latoya. In the first picture you can see the deep wrinkles on her cheeks but in the car the wrinkles are all gone. You can see the brightness in the second picture.<br /><br /><br /><br />Once more.<br /><br /><br /><br />I hope I could explain what I was trying to say and I hope you understood why I pissed off when I see people writing terrible things about 02 Michael. I do think for him and how he would feel. Many people say terrible things about him but they're MJ haters and I do not think that Michael would care what they say but when someone you love say terrible things about you, it breaks your heart, you know. And what would he feel like when his fans that he loves a lot, couldn't recognize him and write all the terrible things about the way he looks at 02? I'm sure that he was hurt a lot. That hurts me too. There were lots of liars around about the 02 Michael. One of the so called insiders said that Michael was so sick and he had to send an impersonator to the 02, the other so called insider said that Michael went there too but he didn't get on the stage but a double did the announcement. Many people said many ridiculous things about 02 and unfortunately, many people believed these weird theories and started to compare Michael's pictures without the knowledge of how lighting and aspect can change the quality of the picture as well as the way the person looks. Do I believe Michael uses doubles? Of course he does. We know he sends a double when he is getting out of a shop, or a building etc BUT he never used a double on stage when he was announcing his concert or when he was making an interview. I personally do NOT believe that he would fake his fans like that. And it was again himself at 02 when he was announcing his so called tour. That was the beginning of the hoax and I bet he was excited a lot. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
And it was again himself at 02 when he was announcing his so called tour. That was the beginning of the hoax and I bet he was excited a lot.[/b] <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
So, when the so called tour was the beginning of the hoax, why not hoax the announcement as well?
The photos may be convincing in a certain way, but I also agree to allforlove´s post, I also missed the warm feeling and the certain kind of mysterious energy I used to feel when I saw Michael speaking.
And I have to repeat, I´m not a fan, I´m a supporter.
There was something wrong, false energy, the manner strong, but not in a good way.
And that was not only the hard lighting.
If the 02 MJ was a fake (and I used to think for sure that he was), then I'm not feeling a clone this time. It almost looks like a MJ mask. "Behind the Mask." And the real MJ was "Behind the curtain." Remember, that was one of the first tweets from who was it, Deepak or Gotham Chopra?
I used to question O2 guy's identity but as thorough examination happened many times in these almost 2 years, I have become fully convinced he was our Michael, without a shadow of doubt. THanks to all who put up all the great comparison photos. Many times I have compared different era and interview pics of MJ simply because it drives me crazy how he can change, but invariably in comparing I realize they are still him but he changes his hair, make-up, lighting, perhaps a little dermatology help by Klein etc., even his mood or whether he's relaxed or posing for pics. I absolutely feel the magic of 02 Michael, even though I feel he's putting on a show for his illusion act, just as he puts on the showman in Ghosts. He's a Thriller in every sense, and as Orianthi said, his presence is just amazing.
After learning a few things about the days and/or weeks before that announcement, I’ve become convinced too that it is Michael making the announcement. I see a reluctant, angry Michael addressing the establishment, and conveying his dissatisfaction through his mannerism and his words. But I also see him soften once his attention is turned towards, and directed at us, the ones who matter most, and that’s when the real “Michael” comes front and center.
And it was again himself at 02 when he was announcing his so called tour. That was the beginning of the hoax and I bet he was excited a lot.[/b] <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
So, when the so called tour was the beginning of the hoax, why not hoax the announcement as well?
The photos may be convincing in a certain way, but I also agree to allforlove´s post, I also missed the warm feeling and the certain kind of mysterious energy I used to feel when I saw Michael speaking.
And I have to repeat, I´m not a fan, I´m a supporter.
There was something wrong, false energy, the manner strong, but not in a good way.
And that was not only the hard lighting.
Some say that they didn't get the energy of Michael but some say that they did. I felt nothing wrong with him. So I think it was you guys who felt it different. It wasn't something Michael caused. If it was so, then all of us would have felt the same.
If the 02 MJ was a fake (and I used to think for sure that he was), then I'm not feeling a clone this time. It almost looks like a MJ mask. "Behind the Mask." And the real MJ was "Behind the curtain." Remember, that was one of the first tweets from who was it, Deepak or Gotham Chopra?
There's not a mask that fits perfectly and make you look exactly like Michael. I'm into film business too and I know what kind of dummies, and masks are used. There's nothing like that. And there was noone else behind the curtain. People showed a picture of Michael getting on the stage and told that he was the real Michael and the double was on stage but nobody could show any picture where both of them are in the same photo and nobody saw the Michael behind that curtain since he was so visible! These are just crappy theories that some misery brains created.
I used to question O2 guy's identity but as thorough examination happened many times in these almost 2 years, I have become fully convinced he was our Michael, without a shadow of doubt. THanks to all who put up all the great comparison photos. Many times I have compared different era and interview pics of MJ simply because it drives me crazy how he can change, but invariably in comparing I realize they are still him but he changes his hair, make-up, lighting, perhaps a little dermatology help by Klein etc., even his mood or whether he's relaxed or posing for pics. I absolutely feel the magic of 02 Michael, even though I feel he's putting on a show for his illusion act, just as he puts on the showman in Ghosts. He's a Thriller in every sense, and as Orianthi said, his presence is just amazing.
After learning a few things about the days and/or weeks before that announcement, I’ve become convinced too that it is Michael making the announcement. I see a reluctant, angry Michael addressing the establishment, and conveying his dissatisfaction through his mannerism and his words. But I also see him soften once his attention is turned towards, and directed at us, the ones who matter most, and that’s when the real “Michael” comes front and center.
That's ok hun. Sometimes we missread or miss some parts of the posts. You're such a very sweet person and I do love you and I would never ever want to hurt your feelings. I did understand that you missed reading the part where I wrote "in general".
The lighting is the MOST important thing in photography. It can make you look like totally a different person. I'm saying this as my profession is filmmaking and I was behind the camera many many times. Sometimes the actors ask you to make the shooting from the other side of them because they believe that they look different from both aspects. Also the lighting can make you look younger or older.
About 02 Michael, let's say that he is an impersonator who disappeared like smoke in thin air after the 02 and let's say that his teeth, nose, lips, chin were done exactly the same like Michael's but how could they even make the bumps on his fingers exactly like Michael's? How did they make his long curved fingers exactly like Michael's? They can not change the bone structure. And there can be noone on this earth who can look exactly like Michael. His long arms, and legs, the shape of his face, how could all this be arranged exactly like Michael's? I looked out for every single double and I saw the ones who look like him BUT there are still lots and lots of differences when you get into the details and look carefully. For better comparison about what I was trying to say about the face's bone structure, here's a picture. And some more other pictures of him. The second picture is from 02 again. I know no other person who has the most beautiful smile other than Michael himself. Look at him. That was definitely our angel at 02.
Thank you for your sweet words.I really appreciate your dedication towards Michael and I love you for it. I understand how much you want to convince me and everyone who doubts it's him at the O2. But sometimes sense and sensibility don't go well together. All the things you showed makes sense I know, but I can't ignore what I feel. I will try to explain it to you. Michael is a genius, worlds best dancer, when he sings I can hear his emotions, it gives me such a warm feeling but that's not the reason why I love him so much. It's his personality, the way he acts and treat people. His genuine concern about our earth, his love for everything that lives on earth especially the children. How he is still so humble while he is so good in everything he does and knows so much about many things.When I look at the O2 michael i miss his aura, I can't help it sorry.Please don't worry about it to much. Time will tell who is right.
Masks can not give you the same shape of bones and skeleton structure. I already know those masks and I have to repeat once again, there is NO mask that gives you the look of a person exactly. That is only in the movie Mission Impossible and that is just FICTION!
Thank you for your sweet words.I really appreciate your dedication towards Michael and I love you for it. I understand how much you want to convince me and everyone who doubts it's him at the O2. But sometimes sense and sensibility don't go well together. All the things you showed makes sense I know, but I can't ignore what I feel. I will try to explain it to you. Michael is a genius, worlds best dancer, when he sings I can hear his emotions, it gives me such a warm feeling but that's not the reason why I love him so much. It's his personality, the way he acts and treat people. His genuine concern about our earth, his love for everything that lives on earth especially the children. How he is still so humble while he is so good in everything he does and knows so much about many things.When I look at the O2 michael i miss his aura, I can't help it sorry.Please don't worry about it to much. Time will tell who is right.
Well I'm not trying to convince anyone about 02 Michael. I'm just sharing my opinion about it which I believe it is the truth 100%. I can not make you see what I see or make you feel what I feel. I'm just saying that IF the lack of feeling you had was caused by Michael himself, then all of the fans would have felt the same. But some of them didn't feel anything wrong with him. You know what I'm saying? I felt nothing wrong. It was the Michael that I've been loving for the last 27 years.
Will time tell us who is right? Not so sure. Because probably Michael wanted to create a double theory for his safety especially after he returns. Nobody will be able to sure if that is Michael or a double when they see him, so that will be safer for him. I do not believe that there were doubles in TII like the family told and I do not believe someone else sang the songs in Michael album like the family told once again. This was just a trick that Michael wanted to create if you ask me. So even after he BAMs, I'm not so sure if he is going to explain that it was him at 02 or even more he can say that it was a double to confuse people more for his safety. But I'm 100% sure that it was Michael there. And the only way that I can believe that he was a double is, to see both of them at the same time and if I touch them both. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I think Michael at O2 was overwhelmed so his attitude a bit unusual than we were used to. We know he's shy in public and it's been a while, even for Michael is not easy it's even harder for all the pressure and high expectations from him. Michael's fans are very pretentious because they are used to be offered the maximum standard of his genious. And i guess he knows that. So yes, he was emotionally overwhelmed before the comeback show concerts started and maybe acted unusual that day when meeting his fans, but that's because he always cared, loved and tried to give them his best. And it was our turn, he needed us to be there for him. I'm not sure if saying it was not him helps.
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These pictures you post are all Michael and yes on those he didn't change much.But you have to agree that during the Invicible period he did look different, maybe because of fillers or something I don't know.
I saw the vids you posted and I have to admit they are pretty convincing.That's why I say it's only my opinion and of course I can be wrong.
Maybe it was the lightning at the O2, I don't know anymore, I'm really confused now.. It's just that looking at him during the speech I never felt the warm feelings I usually get when I see him and I still think his laugh was way different. Maybe because he was so thin but he was also very thin at the Radio Music Award in 2003 and he didn't change there.But knowing Michael, whatever the case is, I'm convinced it was his intention to cause confusion about wether it's him or not.
So, when the so called tour was the beginning of the hoax, why not hoax the announcement as well?
The photos may be convincing in a certain way, but I also agree to allforlove´s post, I also missed the warm feeling and the certain kind of mysterious energy I used to feel when I saw Michael speaking.
And I have to repeat, I´m not a fan, I´m a supporter.
There was something wrong, false energy, the manner strong, but not in a good way.
And that was not only the hard lighting.
If the 02 MJ was a fake (and I used to think for sure that he was), then I'm not feeling a clone this time. It almost looks like a MJ mask. "Behind the Mask." And the real MJ was "Behind the curtain." Remember, that was one of the first tweets from who was it, Deepak or Gotham Chopra?
Some say that they didn't get the energy of Michael but some say that they did. I felt nothing wrong with him. So I think it was you guys who felt it different. It wasn't something Michael caused. If it was so, then all of us would have felt the same.
There's not a mask that fits perfectly and make you look exactly like Michael. I'm into film business too and I know what kind of dummies, and masks are used. There's nothing like that. And there was noone else behind the curtain. People showed a picture of Michael getting on the stage and told that he was the real Michael and the double was on stage but nobody could show any picture where both of them are in the same photo and nobody saw the Michael behind that curtain since he was so visible! These are just crappy theories that some misery brains created.
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Thank you for your sweet words.I really appreciate your dedication towards Michael and I love you for it. I understand how much you want to convince me and everyone who doubts it's him at the O2. But sometimes sense and sensibility don't go well together. All the things you showed makes sense I know, but I can't ignore what I feel. I will try to explain it to you. Michael is a genius, worlds best dancer, when he sings I can hear his emotions, it gives me such a warm feeling but that's not the reason why I love him so much. It's his personality, the way he acts and treat people. His genuine concern about our earth, his love for everything that lives on earth especially the children. How he is still so humble while he is so good in everything he does and knows so much about many things.When I look at the O2 michael i miss his aura, I can't help it sorry.Please don't worry about it to much. Time will tell who is right.
By the way, if any human being is on the cutting edge of any new technology, then we know that Michael is.
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Masks can not give you the same shape of bones and skeleton structure. I already know those masks and I have to repeat once again, there is NO mask that gives you the look of a person exactly. That is only in the movie Mission Impossible and that is just FICTION!
Well I'm not trying to convince anyone about 02 Michael. I'm just sharing my opinion about it which I believe it is the truth 100%. I can not make you see what I see or make you feel what I feel. I'm just saying that IF the lack of feeling you had was caused by Michael himself, then all of the fans would have felt the same. But some of them didn't feel anything wrong with him. You know what I'm saying? I felt nothing wrong. It was the Michael that I've been loving for the last 27 years.
Will time tell us who is right? Not so sure. Because probably Michael wanted to create a double theory for his safety especially after he returns. Nobody will be able to sure if that is Michael or a double when they see him, so that will be safer for him. I do not believe that there were doubles in TII like the family told and I do not believe someone else sang the songs in Michael album like the family told once again. This was just a trick that Michael wanted to create if you ask me. So even after he BAMs, I'm not so sure if he is going to explain that it was him at 02 or even more he can say that it was a double to confuse people more for his safety. But I'm 100% sure that it was Michael there. And the only way that I can believe that he was a double is, to see both of them at the same time and if I touch them both. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->