Honestly a little over two years since I took the Bible, but I found this. . The thousand years Christian Bible> New Testament> Letters> The Revelation of St. John> The thousand years (66:20:1 - 66:20:10) I saw an angel coming down from heaven and had in his hand the key of the abyss and a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. Cast him into the abyss, and locked and sealed it over him that he should deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years be fulfilled. After this, he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and gave them to judge. I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark upon their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again, until the thousand years. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. Over these the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. When the thousand years, Satan will be released from prison and go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle. Their number is as the sand of the sea. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city: and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet will be tormented day and night forever and ever.<br /><br />It is difficult to determine at what stage we are, we know that the Bible is not textual, maybe I see the signs to try to locate.
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark upon their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev. 20:4b
<br />The guillotine would likely be for all criminals including Christians who don't keep the Sunday law. Sunday church goers, 99%, would be left alone, and if they do get the guillotine, it wouldn't count for ruling with Christ 1000 years. They'll still only be resurrected later along with the heathen (majority of humans). I personally 'worship' God every day, not just on the Sabbath, but I also usually have to work on the Sabbath (and Sunday), so I guess that rules me out too. This is all because of a 'deception' cleverly placed there by Satan through the Catholic Church (and/or God) which gets 99% of Christians, just as Satan deceived Eve and Adam in the garden of Eden, simply because they were so naive and totally new at all this having a clever liar come and trick them. They were like young innocent children. Who would trick children, and then punish them for being gullible? That's why I believe there's other layers to this story for AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ, after the Great White Throne judgement and second resurrection of all the rest of the dead. And it appears TS is saying that safety (and salvation) of people is in knowing the true Ark of the Covenant (hiding IN it?). Will that somehow cancel out the Sabbath keeping requirement? We'll just have to 'keep watchin' naturally! :animal0017:
Bible Texts Locate the Real Mount Sinai<br /><br />"Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh and dwelt in the land of Midian; and he sat down by a well" Ex. 2:15 NKJV. Maps indicate Midian is near the border of the Gulf of Aqaba in Northwest Saudi Arabia, in the area shown on the map above. <br /><br />"And she [Zipporah] bore him a son, and he called his name Gershom; for he said, "I have been a stranger in a foreign land" Ex. 2:22. Moses was in a different country, away from any Egyptians in Saudi Arabia. He could not have been in the Sinai Peninsula, as that area was Egyptian controlled territory, full of Egyptian mines and communication towers. Moses would have been easily captured in that area. <br /><br />"Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God" Ex. 3:1. Jethro lived in the vicinity of Mount Sinai. Jethro was the leader of the Midianites who were found in this area, "East of the Gulf of Aqaba in the northwestern regions of the Arabian Desert" Britanica. When researching the location of Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia that Mr. Wyatt proposed, I went to the East Tennessee State University Library and found two extremely detailed maps of Saudi Arabia. On BOTH maps I found the name "Jethro" next to the town of Al Bad, which is near Jebel el Lawz, the correct Mt. Sinai! See maps below. Jethro was Moses' father-in-law as we saw in the texts above. He was from the town of Al Bad, according to the local people who live there today, which is only about 15 miles from Jebel el Lawz. The local people there today told Ron Wyatt that Jethro was from that area.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"So He [God] said, 'I will certainly be with you. And this shall be a sign to you that I have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God on this mountain'" Exodus 3:12. Moses was to bring the children of Israel from Egypt to this same mountain in Midian, near Jethro's home, in a foreign land. <br /><br />"For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia" Galatians 4:25. Here we are clearly told where the mountain should be located, in Arabia. But where is Arabia? "...It is bordered on the W by the Gulf of Aqaba and the Red Sea" Britanica. This clearly rules out the Sinai Peninsula, but it does include Saudi Arabia of course. <br /><br />"Then, at this saying, Moses fled and became a sojourner in the land of Midian, where he had two sons. And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai." Acts 7:29,30. All historically accurate maps, such as some produced by secular companies like National Geographic (see map at top of page), show Midian in Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately, maps placed in Bibles by the publishers may have Midian in the Sinai Peninsula in order to fit tradition, but not the Bible or the historical record. <br /><br /><br />Josephus said that Mt. Sinai "was the highest of mountains in the city of Madian" which is just outside the town of Al Bad. Jebel el Lawz is the highest mountain in the upper two thirds of the country. Also, Philo said Mt. Sinai was located east of the Sinai Peninsula and south of Palestine<br /><br /><br />Above - Aaron Sen stands in the encampment area of Mt. Sinai with the blackened peak in the distance. ark of the covenant, ron wyatt<br /><br /><br />Layout of Mountain & Artifacts<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Mr. Wyatt is the original modern-day discoverer of the real Mount Sinai. The upper 200 feet of Jebel el Lawz is burned black, as we have seen in previous photos above. The Saudi Government will confiscate any photographs of the mountain and will not allow any tourists into the country, but U.S. Government satellite photos and a few private photos smuggled out of the country reveal the secret mountain by its unique blackened peak. Unlike the traditional site, there are thousands of acres in which to encamp at the base of this mountain, while clearly being visible from the mountain top.<br /><br />Mt. Sinai Found
Paula, great info! Thanks!<br /><br /><br /><br />Did the Israelites find this nice collection of boulders to put the calf on, or did they pile them up, and how? No evidence of ramps. Anti-gravity knowledge like for the pyramids?<br /><br />From the site posted: Mount Sinai Featured on PAX Television<br />
But the clearest description in the earliest Jewish literature of the location of Mt. Sinai comes from the first century historian Josephus, he wrote that "Mt. Sinai is the highest of mountains in the region of the city of Madian." Towering 8,000 feet above the desert floor, Jebel el Lawz certainly fits that description [It is the tallest mountain in the upper two-thirds of the country!]. But the sad fact is, despite all the evidence that has been accumulated we really don't know, and indeed we can't know for certain until competent archaeological excavations are once again permitted on the mountain itself. But the presence of a large Arab military installation on the mountain brings up an interesting question. If Jebel el Lawz was proven to be the true Mt. Sinai, and the Saudi military was using that strategic location to direct missiles into Israel, would the Israeli government destroy the mountain of Moses?<br /><br />[CLOSING COMMENTS: It is wonderful to see Jebel el Lawz presented to the world, because it is our firm opinion that it IS the real Mt. Sinai -- but it is unfortunate that certain individuals have been reluctant to give the late Ron Wyatt his credit for being the person who truly discovered Mt. Sinai. If anyone would like to read further about the "problems" that Ron had for 15+ years with those who attempted to take improper credit for the discovery, please go to this website: http://www.pinkoski.com/sinai.html ]
<br />Such an interesting story about Ron Wyatt, that has been so maligned with words like "fraud" everywhere. We would not have learned this if it weren't for TS/Front/MJ.<br /><br />Also the verse mentioned about Mount Sinai in Arabia. Interesting context:<br /><br />
Galatians 4:21-31<br />King James Version (KJV)<br />21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?<br /><br />22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.<br /><br />23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.<br /><br />24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.<br /><br />25 For this Agar is [size=12pt]mount Sinai in Arabia[/size], and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.<br /><br />26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.<br /><br />27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.<br /><br />28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.<br /><br />29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.<br /><br />30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.<br /><br />31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
<br />We've discussed about whether we are still under the law (keeping the Sabbath) and must keep the ten commandments to be saved, and be raised in the first resurrection or raptured to rule and reign with Christ 1000 years. But these verses clearly say laws keep us in bondage.<br /><br />The Jerusalem below will be destroyed during end times, and the Jerusalem above will descend (Rev. 21:2) (Temple and AotC that TS talked about.) (Mothership I'm thinking) That may very well be our ticket of protection --the Ark of safety, that TS was talking about. Perhaps the Saudi military at Mt. Sinai will be the ones to destroy Jerusalem, by God's decree.
In modern life, many work Saturdays and Sundays, overall economic situation, sometimes forced to work hard. Do not fast when the Bible says to do. You can not follow exactly, what the Bible says to do. That leaves out many millions. Because the government will not allow you visit Saudi Mount Sinai? Thanks paula-c by the maps.<br /> :bearhug:
"There is nothing you cannot do, if we raise our voices as one".<br /><br />True, but the people are living in your ignorance and it appears to be conformable
Es cierto, pero la gente está viviendo en su ignorancia y que parece ser conformes
<br /><br />It seems that not all conform tins, I think that it is not having someone to initiate the movement, MJ has done for many years but many only admired his songs and the great artist, and just now we understand the message (including me).
I really must say that all of this has been absolutely fascinating. Like, mind-altering fascinating. For all 3 Signs so far, the evidence speaks for itself and researching it elsewhere backs it all up. I've never been to a Biblical site so I can't say definitively what's what but I think what we are learning the Truth. It was lost through the ages but always there, waiting to be re-discovered.<br /><br />Maybe TS really stands for Truth Sayer. I've read what other sites have said - how we follow TS's 'cult' like sheep. Whatever. I challenge those people to read the Signs in full and do their own research. You can't dismiss something as fake without knowing what you're talking about.
The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world. Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant! At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue. At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again. His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne.<br /><br />Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”<br /><br />Revelation 16:16-21, “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail …” (see 6:12-17).
<br /><br /><br />This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create. Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying. It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.<br /><br />So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message? Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here? There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.<br /><br />But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God. <br /><br />Maybe I should be writing this in the other forum...if I can remember my PW.<br />
<br /><br /> I have been studying this stuff for almost 6 years. The bible has been a huge part of my life. Firstly, I want to say Thank you TS, for this. I've been avoiding this subject for about a year now. Too much stress for someone like me. <br />And for those with questions I will do my best to help explain and or give you my thoughts on this matter. Secondly, This reminds me of 3 things. Will You Be There, Megamind, and B Howard. Only because the Ark of the covenant was mentioned, it may be totally off the subject. I do realize that TS is speaking of end times, which I have studied a lot as well over the past 6 years. Now I will speak firstly about Will You Be there, *side note* I'm not sure if these 3 have any connections or not, but I'm just observing* In Joshua, Joshua was told by God to take over Moses Job of leading the people to the promise land. They came to a river, The River Jordan. They had the ark with them. Joshua sent out two men to search the country They went to Jericho. They found there at a woman's house that someone was out to get them. She hid them On the "roof" of her house. She thought that the two men were going to hurt her and her family. Because God destroyed the amorites when crossing the Red Sea. So the men answered her, “Our lives for yours, if none of you tell this business of ours. And it shall be, when the Lord has given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with you.” So they got back to Joshua and then they woke up the next day and came to the Jordan. They told the people that when they see the Ark of the Covenant to chase after it. But not get to close, so that they will know the way to go. For they had not been that way before. 7 And the Lord said to Joshua, “This day I will begin to exalt you in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. 8 You shall command the priests who bear the ark of the covenant, saying, ‘When you have come to the edge of the water of the Jordan, you shall stand in the Jordan.’” Exalt means to Hold up. To Lift up. Michael says in his song. Hold me, like the river Jordan. And I will then say to Thee you are my friend. Now remember that Joshua and all the Israelites were in the wilderness still at this time. Still hoping for the Promised Land, which was filled with everything they could ever dream of. It was to be their new home. So when the people carrying the Ark, stepped foot into the river the water parted. And left them dry land to walk across, why, because the ark of the covenant had God's presence in it. They were helped by God, I honestly think that Michael was talking to God during this song. God HELD the river Jordan for the people to pass over in safety when they had kings from Egypt pursuing them. <br />Ok, next we have MegaMind. When Megamind takes over and sits in the capitol. (that's what I call it) He is in the office talking and having an existential conversation with the bird. and the camera pans around the room and you see the Ark sitting there in the room. So, 1, does this mean that the government has something to do with the ark, or knows where the ark is, or could it just mean that THE PRESENCE OF GOD is with Michael. Because to me, Megamind is Michael. <br />Lastly, it reminds me of B. Howard. In His song Ananda from the album GENESIS - He sings - "Do you remember the promise of the son, he spoke from the Mountain that we shall overcome" The Mountain I believe he is referring to is Mt. Sinai. God said this to Moses... this is the promise He made...Exodus 19 (New King James Version)<br />Page Options<br />Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email<br />Add parallel<br /><br /> <<<br /> <<br /> =<br /> =<br /> ><br /> >><br /><br />Show resources<br />Exodus 19<br /><br />New King James Version (NKJV)<br />Israel at Mount Sinai<br /><br />19 In the third month after the children of Israel had gone out of the land of Egypt, on the same day, they came to the Wilderness of Sinai. 2 For they had departed from Rephidim, had come to the Wilderness of Sinai, and camped in the wilderness. So Israel camped there before the mountain.<br /><br />3 And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4 ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”<br />I believe the important thing here is, is that we keep God's commands for those who believe, so that when the "end" comes, we shall be saved I will try to share the link to B. Howards song. I think it says a lot. I listen to it all the time. I love it very much. Ananda- B.Howard - Genesis - YouTube The word 'Ānanda' means 'bliss' in Pali, Sanskrit as well as other Indian languages. It is a popular Buddhist and Hindu name, but popular also among Muslims in Indonesia.<br /><br />In the Kannakatthala Sutta (MN 90), Ananda is identified with the meaning of his name:<br /><br /> Then King Pasenadi Kosala said to the Blessed One, "Lord, what is the name of this monk?"<br /><br /> "His name is Ananda, great king."<br /><br /> "What a joy he is! What a true joy!..." - source Wiki.
Hi AlwaysHeather! Would you be able to recall which part of the movie Megamind, the Ark you saw was in? Near the beginning etc.? Thanks! I loved the movie and thought it extremely MJ hoaxy.<br /><br />
Ok, next we have MegaMind. When Megamind takes over and sits in the capitol. (that's what I call it) He is in the office talking and having an existential conversation with the bird. and the camera pans around the room and you see the Ark sitting there in the room. So, 1, does this mean that the government has something to do with the ark, or knows where the ark is, or could it just mean that THE PRESENCE OF GOD is with Michael. Because to me, Megamind is Michael.
<br /><br />I really think MJ had a hand in Megamind, directing behind the scenes.<br /><br />This also relates to Southpark, Season 8, Episode 7 where MJ is seen with the Ark of the Covenant.<br />THE GUARDPOST: MICHAEL JACKSON, SOUTH PARK AND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT<br /><br /><br /><br />Thirdly, the very day MJ 'died' the priest in Ethiopia announced the revealing of the Ark of the Covanent. <br />ARK OF THE COVENANT REVEALED | Weekly World News<br /><br />According to TS, who we believe is MJ or someone closely connected to him, these 3 connections of the Ark to MJ, are all about the false Ark. He says the true one was discovered by Ron Wyatt and remains in the cave beneath the Place of the Scull, the Crucifixion site of Jesus, and that it will have a part to play in the End time scenario.
MJonMind,<br /><br />I don't know really but it seems like MJ knew about the ark for quite some time. When was SouthPark on ? I never watched it. It seems like there have been hints for a while but we didn't realize it. At least I didn't.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing. <br /><br /><br />
Well that episode of Southpark was in 2004. Back said the hoax has been in planning for at 2 decades-- so maybe mid to late eighties. Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark of the Covenant in 1982, around when MJ was planning/filming Thriller. Yet it seems that the Ark is an integral part and purpose of the whole 'death' hoax, relating to the EOW Biblically. I don't think MJ planned the hoax initially with just a few sketchy elements, and then added things along the way. I think the complete hoax outline was given to MJ by God. Back may have been referring to this in his opening statement of 'Theory of Seven', Of a tHeOrY or Vision-back post 11/18/2009 referring to, "internal jolts".<br /><br />Here's the lyrics to Thriller. In the context of the significance of the Ark that TS suggests, Thriller talks about evil, terror, 40 (eyes) in the Bible means testing and judgement, danger, death, resurrection, aliens, a beast, ghosts, blood, close to midnight (in last days). There is safety, understanding and 'holding tight' in Michael as the ultimate Thriller. It also relates strongly to Back's comparison of Jesus Christ and Michael Jackson as different but equally powerful and significant kings and reigns. <br /><br />
Thriller lyrics<br />Songwriters: Temperton, Rod;<br /><br />It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark<br />Under the moonlight, you see a sight that almost stops your heart<br />You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it<br />You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes<br />You're paralyzed<br /><br />'Cause this is thriller, thriller night<br />And no one's gonna save you from the beast about strike<br />You know it's thriller, thriller night<br />You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight<br /><br />You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left to run<br />You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever see the sun<br />You close your eyes and hope that this is just imagination, girl!<br />But all the while you hear the creature creeping up behind<br />You're out of time<br /><br />'Cause this is thriller, thriller night<br />There ain't no second chance against the thing with forty eyes, girl<br />Thriller, thriller night<br />You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight<br /><br />Night creatures calling, the dead start to walk in their masquerade<br />There's no escaping the jaws of the alien this time<br />(They're open wide)<br />This is the end of your life<br /><br />They're out to get you, there's demons closing in on every side<br />They will possess you unless you change that number on your dial<br />Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close together, yeah<br />All through the night I'll save you from the terror on the screen<br />I'll make you see<br /><br />That this is thriller, thriller night<br />'Cause I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try<br />Thriller, thriller night<br />So let me hold you tight and share a<br />Killer, diller, chiller, thriller here tonight<br /><br />'Cause this is thriller, thriller night<br />Girl, I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try<br />Thriller, thriller night<br />So let me hold you tight and share a killer, thriller, ow!<br /><br />(I'm gonna thrill ya tonight)<br />Darkness falls across the land<br />The midnight hour is close at hand<br />Creatures crawl in search of blood<br />To terrorize y'alls neighborhood<br /><br />I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, ooh baby<br />I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, oh darlin'<br />Thriller night, baby, ooh!<br /><br />The foulest stench is in the air<br />The funk of forty thousand years<br />And grizzly ghouls from every tomb<br />Are closing in to seal your doom<br /><br />And though you fight to stay alive<br />Your body starts to shiver<br />For no mere mortal can resist<br />The evil of the thriller
<br /><br />Shortly after Thriller, MJ co-wrote and sang with Paul McCartney in 1983, The Man which has lyrics also giving MJ a unique/powerful 'identity', perhaps Angelic, as Back describes: "Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh".<br />The Man Lyrics by Paul McCartney Kenny Ortega introduced MJ to the TII dancers as 'The Man'! Sign #1 showed the scriptural basis for Michael the Archangel and Jesus Christ being one and the same.<br /><br />Also in 1981, The Raiders of the Lost Ark, was released directed by Steven Spielberg. TS mentioned this Ark as being a false depiction. The very next year RW discovers the real Ark, and MJ is the Thriller. All this just seems impossible to be coincidental.
<br />Thanks TS for his post, had not been read before. I personally at this time is difficult to relate to religion, I am Christian, but I'm debugging my heart and absorbing so much pain over the death of a very young family. Maybe I can meet again with the Bible, I value your posts and your presence here.<br /><br /> :bearhug:<br />
<br /><br />i am sorry to hear you are going through this. best wishes to you and to those close to the little girl.<br /> :bearhug:<br /><br />may God help you during this difficult time<br /><br />
<br />The upcoming crisis I sense all over the world by the end of 2012 is the economical crisis, which could lead to war. <br />Starvation is powerful.<br /><br />2012, years of changes for sure. Let´s wish for a good end with no wars.<br />
<br /><br />Trust in God - Whatever happens.. Don't let go of his hand (thanks for in inspiration MJ)<br />
<br />It is going to sound extremely stupid and just shows how little I know but nevermind I gotta ask. In the Bible book of revelations it is mentioned that the devil will be imprisoned for a certain length of time (1000 years or so) and then he will be released again to be imprisoned again but forever this time. In which "phase" are we?<br />
<br />This is what my believe is: it's after Armageddon, the devil will be bound for 1000 years, the people who have died before Armageddon will be ressurected, and after the 1000 years the devil will be released for a period of time. <br />
<br /><br />@ shy - hit the nail on head my love!!<br /><br />to continue....<br /><br />devil released for a short period of time for final test. it will be a harsh test but a brief test. then god will "bruise him in the head" as per prophecy in Genesis - death for eternity..<br />after that, that is when true life begins... the world restored to paradise, the dead resurrected. abolishment of satan and followers (false religion, government, corrup corporation) and those who remain, live forever, in perfection under God's perfect, loving, just and righteous rule.<br /><br />psalm 37:29<br /><br />"And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and dwell upon it for eternity."<br />
"Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten"<br /> <br />Proverb, American Indian
<br />Well that episode of Southpark was in 2004. Back said the hoax has been in planning for at 2 decades-- so maybe mid to late eighties. Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark of the Covenant in 1982, around when MJ was planning/filming Thriller. Yet it seems that the Ark is an integral part and purpose of the whole 'death' hoax, relating to the EOW Biblically. I don't think MJ planned the hoax initially with just a few sketchy elements, and then added things along the way. I think the complete hoax outline was given to MJ by God. Back may have been referring to this in his opening statement of 'Theory of Seven', Of a tHeOrY or Vision-back post 11/18/2009 referring to, "internal jolts".<br /><br />Here's the lyrics to Thriller. In the context of the significance of the Ark that TS suggests, Thriller talks about evil, terror, 40 (eyes) in the Bible means testing and judgement, danger, death, resurrection, aliens, a beast, ghosts, blood, close to midnight (in last days). There is safety, understanding and 'holding tight' in Michael as the ultimate Thriller. It also relates strongly to Back's comparison of Jesus Christ and Michael Jackson as different but equally powerful and significant kings and reigns. <br /><br />
Thriller lyrics<br />Songwriters: Temperton, Rod;<br /><br />It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark<br />Under the moonlight, you see a sight that almost stops your heart<br />You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it<br />You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes<br />You're paralyzed<br /><br />'Cause this is thriller, thriller night<br />And no one's gonna save you from the beast about strike<br />You know it's thriller, thriller night<br />You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight<br /><br />You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left to run<br />You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever see the sun<br />You close your eyes and hope that this is just imagination, girl!<br />But all the while you hear the creature creeping up behind<br />You're out of time<br /><br />'Cause this is thriller, thriller night<br />There ain't no second chance against the thing with forty eyes, girl<br />Thriller, thriller night<br />You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight<br /><br />Night creatures calling, the dead start to walk in their masquerade<br />There's no escaping the jaws of the alien this time<br />(They're open wide)<br />This is the end of your life<br /><br />They're out to get you, there's demons closing in on every side<br />They will possess you unless you change that number on your dial<br />Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close together, yeah<br />All through the night I'll save you from the terror on the screen<br />I'll make you see<br /><br />That this is thriller, thriller night<br />'Cause I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try<br />Thriller, thriller night<br />So let me hold you tight and share a<br />Killer, diller, chiller, thriller here tonight<br /><br />'Cause this is thriller, thriller night<br />Girl, I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try<br />Thriller, thriller night<br />So let me hold you tight and share a killer, thriller, ow!<br /><br />(I'm gonna thrill ya tonight)<br />Darkness falls across the land<br />The midnight hour is close at hand<br />Creatures crawl in search of blood<br />To terrorize y'alls neighborhood<br /><br />I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, ooh baby<br />I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, oh darlin'<br />Thriller night, baby, ooh!<br /><br />The foulest stench is in the air<br />The funk of forty thousand years<br />And grizzly ghouls from every tomb<br />Are closing in to seal your doom<br /><br />And though you fight to stay alive<br />Your body starts to shiver<br />For no mere mortal can resist<br />The evil of the thriller
<br /><br />Shortly after Thriller, MJ co-wrote and sang with Paul McCartney in 1983, The Man which has lyrics also giving MJ a unique/powerful 'identity', perhaps Angelic, as Back describes: "Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh".<br />The Man Lyrics by Paul McCartney Kenny Ortega introduced MJ to the TII dancers as 'The Man'! Sign #1 showed the scriptural basis for Michael the Archangel and Jesus Christ being one and the same.<br /><br />Also in 1981, The Raiders of the Lost Ark, was released directed by Steven Spielberg. TS mentioned this Ark as being a false depiction. The very next year RW discovers the real Ark, and MJ is the Thriller. All this just seems impossible to be coincidental.<br />
<br /><br />I think you're right about a lot of it MJonMind. Thriller also reminds me of the anti-christ,demons, and the whole book of revelation really. Most of the songs now are taking on double and triple meanings. This has been planned a loooong time ago. 20+ or more years like you said. I think MJ on God are working together most definitely.<br /><br />Love You :penguin:
[Regarding songs with deeper layers of meaning: many were not actually penned by MJ, and I'm not sure how to reconcile this with the idea of intentional 'double or triple meanings'. Could it be that, like with any artform, the viewer/listener (in this case, us AND MJ) will always see/hear from their own perspective, which may or may not be in the original artist/writer's thoughts? It's always down to personal interpretation.]
<br />[Regarding songs with deeper layers of meaning: many were not actually penned by MJ, and I'm not sure how to reconcile this with the idea of intentional 'double or triple meanings'. Could it be that, like with any artform, the viewer/listener (in this case, us AND MJ) will always see/hear from their own perspective, which may or may not be in the original artist/writer's thoughts? It's always down to personal interpretation.]<br />
<br />Or a higher power involved orchestrating things.
What prompted my post is this from AlwaysHeather.<br /><br />
In Joshua, Joshua was told by God to take over Moses Job of leading the people to the promise land. They came to a river, The River Jordan…<br />They told the people that when they see the Ark of the Covenant to chase after it. But not get to close, so that they will know the way to go. For they had not been that way before. 7 And the Lord said to Joshua, “This day I will begin to exalt you in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. 8 You shall command the priests who bear the ark of the covenant, saying, ‘When you have come to the edge of the water of the Jordan, you shall stand in the Jordan.’” Exalt means to Hold up. To Lift up. Michael says in his song. Hold me, like the river Jordan. And I will then say to Thee you are my friend. Now remember that Joshua and all the Israelites were in the wilderness still at this time. Still hoping for the Promised Land, which was filled with everything they could ever dream of. It was to be their new home. So when the people carrying the Ark, stepped foot into the river the water parted. And left them dry land to walk across, why, because the ark of the covenant had God's presence in it. They were helped by God,<br />TIAI May 27
<br /><br />Here is the Bible story from Joshua 3:<br />Joshua 3 KJV - And Joshua rose early in the morning; - Bible Gateway<br /><br />My thought is: I believe the whole video and lyrics of 'Will You Be There' are talking about the Ark of the Covenant and its relationship to Michael Jackson, intertwined. This fully relates to the Signs so far, the the N7DT post by Back.<br /><br />We all know about the announcement that the Ark of the Covenant would be revealed on the day MJ ‘died’ (Michael WAS revealed in a 'new' way), showing a strong connection. As well as 2 other associations with MJ in Southpark and Megamind.<br /><br />Just to show the background: The Sign has clearly been teaching that Scripture teaches Michael the Archangel is Jesus in another form. MJ, Front, TS and Back have all hinted the Michael correlates with the Archangel and Jesus. The Sign has taught that the blood on the Ark found by RW was Jesus’ blood. He has said that the true Ark is God’s throne, and that the safety of mankind rests in the Ark, and knowing who it represents.<br /> <br />Sign #3<br />
The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world. Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant! At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue. At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again. His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne...<br /><br />Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, andthunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
<br /><br />Sign #1<br />
There are many different ideas on what the EOW even means: some think it will be the total destruction of all life on the planet, while others think the whole world will be converted and saved. As usual, the truth lies between the extremes; and Yom Kippur even illustrates that some but not all would be “cut off” and “destroyed” (Leviticus 23:29,30). Also, the Feast of Tabernacles came after Yom Kippur, and it represents what comes after the EOW—it represents those who survive the EOW (see Leviticus 23:39,40; Revelation 14:14-16). So those who are awake to the evidence, and chose to be informed and prepared, will know what the EOW means; they will be ready for it when it comes—and they will survive, because they will be in “the final ark of safety.”…<br /><br /> But it’s not going to be a fight over who gets their hands on the ark; God has full control of the ark.Also, this is not a message to worship the ark itself, as if it were inherently magical. The battle of Armageddon is a battle over the truth which the ark represents. And it’s not a physical war, except to the extent that the enemies of truth will use persecution and violence, just as they have done many times down through history (see John 16:2). But those defending the truth will have no need or desire to engage in any type of physical battle. Well then, if the battle of Armageddon is all about the ark of the covenant, and the truth that it is designed to represent, then it’s high time we figure out how to distinguish the true ark from the many counterfeit arks out there.
<br /><br />Okay now here's the video:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />At 3:50 there are 6 dancers in this scene who are dressed Egyptian style, and of course the Israelites were coming out of Egypt, and it was 6 priests who carried the ark. <br /> <br />The Sign in #1 after a long scriptural proof, says:<br />
The reasonable conclusion is that the six men all stood in line, three in front and three behind.
<br /><br />While he sings, “Lift me up, hold me up”, they begin this interesting routine, first the dancers lift one of their group horizontally like the Ark would be carried across the Jordan, then a child who is holding a globe, hands it to the carried dancer, who as he carries it around the back, immediately MJ is lifted high by the dancers up above everyone in the crucifixion position (saving the world). Then again as a dancer is lifted up horizontally, another child gives him a large book. To me the globe is the world and the book—the book of life in Revelation that only the Lamb could open. (Remember the painting of MJ where he holds a book and a key?)<br /><br />Next it may be nothing, then a child starts to sign for the deaf (those who don't understand?) only right near the end. Could that be the The Sign's 7 messages, 'never before revealed to the world'?<br /><br />At 6:01 the angel comes and wraps her arms around him, while he says, “I’ll never let you part, for you’re always in my heart.” I think he is showing that he is Michael the Archangel, who will never let us part. Her wings are really his. Or it could be that the 2 wings represent the 2 angels on each side of the mercy seat of the Ark.<br /><br />If you read the lyrics to this song, especially that it starts off with "hold me" in the river Jordan (can I assume "like" could mean "in"?), what was held in the Jordan, was the Ark by the 6 priests. Then keep going with this theme throughout the song. The Ark represents who Michael really is, and his purpose, still far from completed in the EOW and Revelation. We have 4 more signs to go.<br /><br />I even thought about why the car was there—could it be because it is a vehicle to transport, as the Ark is a vehicle to carry the law, bread, and most importantly the presence of power of God.<br /><br />
"Will You Be There"<br /><br />Hold Me<br />Like The River Jordan<br />And I Will Then Say To Thee<br />You Are My Friend<br /><br />Carry Me<br />Like You Are My Brother<br />Love Me Like A Mother<br />Will You Be There?<br /><br />Weary<br />Tell Me Will You Hold Me<br />When Wrong, Will You Scold Me<br />When Lost Will You Find Me?<br /><br />But They Told Me<br />A Man Should Be Faithful<br />And Walk When Not Able<br />And Fight Till The End<br />But I'm Only Human<br /><br />Everyone's Taking Control Of Me<br />Seems That The World's<br />Got A Role For Me<br />I'm So Confused<br />Will You Show To Me<br />You'll Be There For Me<br />And Care Enough To Bear Me<br /><br />(Hold Me)<br />(Lay Your Head Lowly)<br />(Softly Then Boldly)<br />(Carry Me There)<br /><br />(Lead Me)<br />(Love Me And Feed Me)<br />(Kiss Me And Free Me)<br />(I Will Feel Blessed)<br /><br />(Carry)<br />(Carry Me Boldly)<br />(Lift Me Up Slowly)<br />(Carry Me There)<br /><br />(Save Me)<br />(Heal Me And Bathe Me)<br />(Softly You Say To Me)<br />(I Will Be There)<br /><br />(Lift Me)<br />(Lift Me Up Slowly)<br />(Carry Me Boldly)<br />(Show Me You Care)<br /><br />(Hold Me)<br />(Lay Your Head Lowly)<br />(Softly Then Boldly)<br />(Carry Me There)<br /><br />(Need Me)<br />(Love Me And Feed Me)<br />(Kiss Me And Free Me)<br />(I Will Feel Blessed)<br /><br />[Spoken]<br />In Our Darkest Hour<br />In My Deepest Despair<br />Will You Still Care?<br />Will You Be There?<br />In My Trials<br />And My Tribulations<br />Through Our Doubts<br />And Frustrations<br />In My Violence<br />In My Turbulence<br />Through My Fear<br />And My Confessions<br />In My Anguish And My Pain<br />Through My Joy And My Sorrow<br />In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow<br />I'll Never Let You Part<br />For You're Always In My Heart.
@MJonmind..........<br />you're amazing....great post and great correlations altogether. The song Will You Be There has always been a powerful one for me personally. For some reason, it always speaks to me more than most songs....love it so much. Thank you for putting this together...... it's amazing.<br /><br />Blessings Always
I think your connections with Will you be there video are very interesting. It's full of symbols that maybe we couldn't understand before The Signs :icon_eek:.<br />So is this proof that TS speaks from MJ's own ideas or it proves that TS is only very smart and guessed before anyone else the true meanings of this video?
Oh...yesterday I remembered of that thread where TS made us discuss what went in the ambulance..I don't know what thread it is but now, seeing what happened last week in my country, when a former prime-minister faked a suicide to escape prison and go to hospital instead (a true media circus, with ambulance and cops and everything) - well if this was possible in my country then I guess everything is possible with Mike and he found a way to place a corpse in that ambulance. Oh and the secret services have their own ambulances in all countries I guess.
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