TS from Silencing the Critics, Sept. 10, 2010<br />
Yes, if you don’t use inclusive it doesn’t work. But it CAN’T POSSIBLY work with BOTH inclusive AND standard reckoning; so you MUST pick one of the two, if you are planning it out. And inclusive is the BETTER of the two options: because it is Biblical, and most widely known in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus! Also MJ used inclusive when he said “four more years” in the spring of 2009; normally that would end in 2013—but inclusive is 2009 (year one), 2010 (year two), 2011 (year three), and 2012(year four).
<br /><br />So since inclusive didn't work, we'll have to use standard, according to him--spring when the rehearsals were. And of course that doesn't rule out Oct. 28, which would be when we heard it.
<br /><br /><br />Your comment reminded me of TS' Sign 6, The End Comes Suddenly, when he spoke about the accession year method. If a king (MJ) died in the middle of the year (June 25), the period to the end of that year would be called the accession year, or year zero. So Year 1 would start at the following new year (2010). Year 2 is 2011, year 3 is 2012 and year 4 would be 2013. TS never said anything about MJ and June 25 when he was talking about this method but that's what I gathered from it, since I tend to relate his Signs to the hoax.<br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23454.0.html
<br />not being one of the "everyone who's dissapointed" i just consider that MJ , aware person that he is, may have simply been pointing towards the climate change topic . He certainly did not say four years to get it right or i'm not coming back. The words came from his own mouth no doubt there , just doubt he was talking about a future come back schedule.<br />
<br /><br />Just my opinion, but I feel that TII is full of colloquialisms. I dont beleive MJ here was talking about the environment or global warming. I honestly don't. It may appear that he is, but I believe he is talking about return. Just like BAM scene / reference, at the end of the movie. The scene is based on rehersal and figuring out the sequence of his act and then light go out and BAM. Is he talking about the LITERAL stage, and lights and bam illumination regarding turning to the audience in the concert? Or is that scene figurative for bam return / resurrection? Another example of this is FIST in ear, I don't believe he is talking about a literal fist in his ear, futhermore, I dont think he is actually referring to the audio equipment. I believe fist in ear (and I know others believe the same) to be a reference to something Michael doesnt agree with or like to hear or activity he is aware of that doesn't sit well for him. You know, Don't like it, don't like hearing it, makes me sick... "its like a fist in my ear" But on the surface it appears that MJ is talking about audio equipment, but is he really?<br /><br />TII is full of scenes where MJ appears to be talking about one thing on the surface, but post knowledge of the hoax you see that he is really talking about something else. I think that the prayer 4 year scene fits into this category. Again, this is JMO, and I respect your opinion, but to me 4 year reference isn't about environment at all, its about bam.<br /><br />Besides, who says, which aithority exactly, and based on what evidence, shows that the environmental damage actually IS irreversable in 4 years time???<br /><br />Meanwhile, another 4 year reference.... Was cruising in my car listening to Bad 25, Bad remix. In specific the latino rap at the end, where artist raps "In FOUR YEARS catch me with a billion doing that moonwalk" - yeah it just made me smile! As much as I love the song, and love the remix and it made me smile, really, if you stop and think about it, it was said and put into the audio for a reason. <br /><br />To me, 4 years is a clear bam indication from MJ himself. For me (again JMO) the question is not WHAT he is referring to with the 4 yr reference, its WHEN he is referring to?<br /><br />Four years from filming that scene? Four years from DOD? Four years from release of TII? Four years after CM is convicted? and so forth...<br /><br />Bring it on!<br />
<br /><br />Good catch! :th_bravo:<br /><br />And don't forget also another 4 years, Michael always release an album every four years, so he always come back every 4 years! Maybe we should look at the exact amount of time between his album, like for instance, number of days between Off the wall and Thriller, Thriller to Bad, Bad to Dangerous... etc... ????
<br />I believe M.J s 4 year warning has a lot to do with the NWO and Obama's reelection/inauguration,the beast of Revelations will be revealed soon and Michael knew this.He wanted to warn the masses to get to know God if you already have not,and stop putting your trust in the Media and to stop worshiping false idols.<br />
<br /><br />I'm not sure about the rest, but pretty sure This has something to do with Obama, especially given the ad at the beginning of This Is It and Paris' tweets, etc. <br /><br />But my question is, What IS the BAM. Does BAM = Comeback, or might it be something else either entirely or much larger of which the Comeback is an essential part. <br />
Well gwynned i ve seen you ask bout bam =comeback a few times already. Don't believe it was actually stated anywhere that that would be the case, but it just seems logical that with a " bam " a comeback is meant i suppose!<br />Unless an actual physical bam depends on certain wrongs being righted, which has not been the case so far has it.<br /><br />Meanwhile the official mj facebook page latest post was interesting, still getting used to working with this i pad thingy so not yet up to copying and pasting but wishfully thinking it has to do with this thread.<br />
<br />Well gwynned i ve seen you ask bout bam =comeback a few times already. Don't believe it was actually stated anywhere that that would be the case, but it just seems logical that with a " bam " a comeback is meant i suppose!<br />Unless an actual physical bam depends on certain wrongs being righted, which has not been the case so far has it.<br /><br />Meanwhile the official mj facebook page latest post was interesting, still getting used to working with this i pad thingy so not yet up to copying and pasting but wishfully thinking it has to do with this thread.<br />
<br /><br />Actually, I am seeing it. We all know Michael's feeling about the media and I have noticed some high profile media folks taking a beating. Most humorously, lately, is Al Roker admitting on national TV that he pooped in his pants.<br /><br />Here he is on the Daily Show in the feature interestingly titled: Moment of Zen<br /><br />http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/moment-of-zen---al-roker-s-accident<br /><br />Can't help but think of V for Vendetta and his sWORDs.....is Michael's only weapon now their WORDs?
Your comment reminded me of TS' Sign 6, The End Comes Suddenly, when he spoke about the accession year method. If a king (MJ) died in the middle of the year (June 25), the period to the end of that year would be called the accession year, or year zero. So Year 1 would start at the following new year (2010). Year 2 is 2011, year 3 is 2012 and year 4 would be 2013. TS never said anything about MJ and June 25 when he was talking about this method but that's what I gathered from it, since I tend to relate his Signs to the hoax.
<br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23454.0.html<br />I really think we have not taken into enough consideration some of the alternative thinking that TS would present, weighing them as to logic, evidences for each approach, and that they were a methodology for him burying truth in the midst of lies, to cover his tracks and perhaps prevent the wrong people (enemies) from deciphering the truth.<br /><br />So yes, he said Bam before 2013, but elsewhere he said only after the Elisa and Murray cases were finished.<br /><br />TS: Silencing the Critics, Sept.10, 2010. <br />
"Eliza herself knows that there can be delays, when you are dealing with court cases. She said the following: “Of course, any time that you deal with the legal system, you cannot predict a time frame, can you?” {http://http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm}.<br /><br />[size=12pt]Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities. And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until [size=14pt]after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.[/size][/size]<br /> There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.<br /><br />What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {}. This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.<br /><br />Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010. “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine:] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {}.<br /><br />Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members."
<br />We may have taken the the 'failed' Bam date way too seriously, and TS caught us not paying enough attention to his previous words. Just like Bible prophecy can't be interpreted by one or two verses but from the whole collective message from the many parts in the various books, as they speak in unison of complex meaning.<br /><br />Does anyone know if the Eliza Presley case is completely killed, or is there hope for further action?<br /><br />Scorpionchik<br />
am not going to read the whole thing for sure. The only words caught my eyes are THE END COMES SUDDENLY and THE UNFAITHFUL WILL BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE, & SUMMER IS NEAR. <br />IMO, this means someone WAS UNFAITHFUL that led to hoax the death and MJ will be back in summer of 2013 to 'take over' (4 years to make it right). Sounds like what I thought. Will see.
And don't forget also another 4 years, Michael always release an album every four years, so he always come back every 4 years! Maybe we should look at the exact amount of time between his album, like for instance, number of days between Off the wall and Thriller, Thriller to Bad, Bad to Dangerous... etc... ?
<br /> <br />I think this is a good reminder; everything that MJ does is in a LONG time framework, so we have to have plenty of patience and long-sight.<br />
Well, there is only one thing which is irreversible, and that would be extinction. Everything else IS reversible, as long as there are responsible, interested living beings on the planet. That we ( as employees, or fans or as a planet) would pick up an ominous mysterious mandate of 4 years to "get it right" without receiving a very specific explantion as to what IT is, is just a plan doomed to fail, as every possible helper wastes their time chasing their tails trying to figure it out! It cannot be anything like that.<br /><br />I never, ever thought he was speaking to US, in the audience, watching a film advertised as being pulled together after his death from footage of rehearsals shot for MJ's archives! According to the press releases, this is footage we would NEVER have seen if MJ hadn't owed Sony some money. MJ was NOT talking to US. At least not there. He is bright enough to mobilize his armies with ORDERS, not confusion. No army could succeed without a DEFINITE plan of action. Even scrambled orders are given as orders coded in readily discernable terms TO persons expecting to receive them. I really think that four year stuff was meant for the ears of his employees, hired for his Hoax (movie, funeral, memorial footage, publicity stunts, interviews, tv programs about him after his "death", people hired to drive the Hoax on his fan sites), and never us. I mean think about it. In context, he was never talking to us, there.<br /><br />Yes, TII was his idea, for we all know he be NOT dead, but only "behind the curtain" cranking out Hoax material. So he IS using some things IN the movie---such as the after credits promise to play with folk and then BAM!, to throw out clues and things to Keep Watchin' FOR. But we have to pay attention to what he said in CONTEXT. What he said, and who he was with, to say it to. Ever heard the saying, If you don't take note of the TEXT, you'll get CONned.<br /><br />There is another reason why the four year thing could not have been the BAM plan, and that is because it would further discredit TS, who inferred that he was equal to Back who had always been here, way before he ever posted here. He made it sound like MJ was supposed to come back on Halloween, but could not because of something we did or didn't do... and then in January 2010. I don't think MJ ever meant to be gone this long, but he just began to have so much fun with it, he :bearhug: :bearhug: wanted to prolong it another year... :icon_albino: then another... :icon_albino: then... :smiley_abuv: come on, just one more?? "Pwetty pweeze?" :icon_rolleyes: You KNOW we have had gobs and gobs of exhilaration here on this Coaster Track!<br /><br />What are we going to do if another "informer" comes along and suggests that Michael really meant 4 DOG years?? :thjajaja121: This could go on for EVER!! :icon_albino: Just because the Puppet Master[size=18pt] ALONE [/size]holds that one SECRET card---the Bam (DATE)card. <br /><br />Now, if he DOES BAM 4 years to the day, I'll still think it is coincidence, because, #1, MJ has never been predictable, and #2, I have not seen ANYTHING in the news or elsewhere, which is on some kind of 4 yr timetable, and is that close to being accomplished by then. WE certainly aren't doing anything like that, except working on this Hoax investigation. Am I right? :icon_e_smile: I mean, I've been absent a bunch of weeks but, it seems like SOME one here would be posting, very high profile, where we all would have seen it, about a four year project and giving us updates... Even if he meant something Obama was doing in only four years, that time is up this month. Did I totally :icon_eek: miss, gulp, :errrr: [size=36pt] IT?[/size]???? The point, everything, all this time?<br /><br />MJ said once that he always has a beginning middle and end to his films, and Front told us that, Oh YEAH, you bet, MJ has this wrapped up tight, so not to worry. I DO believe he has a very definite FINISH to the Hoax part of this adventure, but just has decided to postpone it a few times. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile It is HIS prerogative. :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red HE is the Director. <br /><br />Do we mind REEEEEALLY? <br /><br />I think revisiting old stuff is just great!, and I think we will be delighted how much sense things make, now! <br /><br />
<br />Bam=comeback and any other interpretation is grasping at straws.<br />
<br /><br />right on 8)<br /><br /><br />and @ its her , your explanation of the four year statement being directed at crew and dancers but pertaining to the hoax , i must say i had'nt thought of it that way and it does sound good but i still seriously believe he was talking about what Hansen had said about climate change and Obama's 4 year term being crucial to change . But great way of interpretation by yourself nonetheless! :bearhug:
Well, there is only one thing which is irreversible, and that would be extinction. Everything else IS reversible,
<br /><br />Thanks for your brilliant post but now I have to say something that I have never said but I have always thought: there is nothing irreversible except "DEATH" so I think when Michael said "we have four years to get it right or else will be irreversible" those words were addressed to his major hoax team I mean those who were gonna help him to accomplish all those wrongs to get righted on time and the four years deadline was due to Obama's term who I think is helping him to accomplish it behind the curtain (of course Michael counted on only 4 years because he wasn't sure of Obama being reelected). Now why did Michael said "else or will be irreversible"? I think Michael gave himself four years to fulfil all his work plan and if he were not able to accomplish it would remain dead forever (irreversible) why? because if Michael were not able to fight against those evils that made his life a nightmare wouldn't be able to reappear in public after the huge exposition of all of them during this hoax.<br />After this BAM dates' drunkenness I came to think carefully that this forum is a public forum and as per TS the best one due to you don't have to sign in to read it, that means if Michael (through Front or TS in case they are legit) is giving us hints and clues to when he was gonna BAM, the bad guys would lie in wait to hunt him, right? so my guess is if Michael is to BAM he will do it "ANYTIME, ANYWAY AND ANYWHERE".
:bearhug: Hi MJhunny, long time no see. Well, ok, but then, what did he expect us to do if Obama's four year term is up? Or was he talking about his second term? <br /><br />Ya know? From the DAY Obama offered his public condolensces to MJ's family and fans, I got the impression he was not grieving, but collaborating on something, with MJ---because he did not look anything but proud to even know MJ, which I was not aware of... Did you know they knew each other?? <br /><br />The "grief" seemed dispassionate, forced, but the pride in MJ was not. Obama looked tickled to be asked to talk about MJ, even in condolensces. :icon_albino: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: Watch the President speaking about MJ again, if it's still out there somewhere. I'll have to look. Squint your eyes and see if you can picture him slyly helping Front :icon_e_surprised: bake his pie! I'm serious. But...<br /><br />If not global warming...[size=18pt]WHAT[/size] could it BE? <br /><br />And, how do we explain MJ beginning to plan a hoax about global warming, when the thought hadn't crossed anyone's mind 30 years ago? It especially doesn't make sense to me that MJ himself could or would WAIT over at least 25 years TO fix something so supposedly critical at the ELEVENTH hour. :-\ Idk, just throwing some thoughts out there. <br /><br />I think MJ was talking to his Hoax crew or someONE specific IN the group pictured onstage in TII when he said it, because he didn't explain it; they all already were briefed on what he meant. There WERE secret pre-production meetings about this. Remember the singer who told us about the "Lights Out" signal which was their cue to "act" their part for the hoax? There were probably quite a few such huddles, which we can't know about until someone tells. :animal0017: Oooh, and I think most of them only had 2 year contracts with MJ, so they can sing like canaries now, unless there was a :ghsdf: renegotiation to keep silent longer...Right? Where are those folks, NOW? I don't follow Twitter, have any of them been tweetin their fingers off??? :affraid:<br /><br />It will be interesting to discover new tidbits! :bowdown: :icon_bounce:
Well, there is only one thing which is irreversible, and that would be extinction. Everything else IS reversible,
<br /><br />Thanks for your brilliant post but now I have to say something that I have never said but I have always thought: there is nothing irreversible except "DEATH" so I think when Michael said "we have four years to get it right or else will be irreversible" those words were addressed to his major hoax team I mean those who were gonna help him to accomplish all those wrongs to get righted on time and the four years deadline was due to Obama's term who I think is helping him to accomplish it behind the curtain (of course Michael counted on only 4 years because he wasn't sure of Obama being reelected). Now why did Michael said "else or will be irreversible"? I think Michael gave himself four years to fulfil all his work plan and if he were not able to accomplish it would remain dead forever (irreversible) why? because if Michael were not able to fight against those evils that made his life a nightmare wouldn't be able to reappear in public after the huge exposition of all of them during this hoax.<br />After this BAM dates' drunkenness I came to think carefully that this forum is a public forum and as per TS the best one due to you don't have to sign in to read it, that means if Michael (through Front or TS in case they are legit) is giving us hints and clues to when he was gonna BAM, the bad guys would lie in wait to hunt him, right? so my guess is if Michael is to BAM he will do it "ANYTIME, ANYWAY AND ANYWHERE".<br />
<br /><br /> :icon_lol: SweetSWINGset! You paint a scary picture of the situation, which almost sucked me in before, but I now think there has been some sort of "shift" and MJ is THE baddest of the BAD men, and I think he tried to fore-tell us this, when he asked, "[size=18pt]WHO's [/size]BAD?" in his short film, all those years ago. You're right, if MJ CAN'T come back after a certain point, he would be the same as dead, but worse than that he would be extinct, because he YET has no peer, and is the last of his kind :'( .The only thing I am a bit anxious about now is everyone who was insanely jealous before, being enraged, when he comes back. Yet, I even think he is on top of that! :icon_e_biggrin: It will all be ok. I think "Takeover" means he emerges on top. Maybe not just in the music/entertainment business, but maybe a real live "coup" for humanity in some Michaelish way (you KNOW that works!) :icon_mrgreen:.
<br /><br /><br />Ya know? From the DAY Obama offered his public condolensces to MJ's family and fans, I got the impression he was not grieving, but collaborating on something, with MJ---because he did not look anything but proud to even know MJ, which I was not aware of... Did you know they knew each other?? <br /><br />The "grief" seemed dispassionate, forced, but the pride in MJ was not. Obama looked tickled to be asked to talk about MJ, even in condolensces. :icon_albino: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: Watch the President speaking about MJ again, if it's still out there somewhere. I'll have to look. Squint your eyes and see if you can picture him slyly helping Front :icon_e_surprised: bake his pie! I'm serious. But...<br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />I was sort of reluctant to agree with you first , but you had my full attention one you started talking about Obama's speech about MJ and all . You're so right ! :bowdown: It's obvious that the president is is on the hoax , and if we suppose that he's not , then we'll have to find reasonable answers to questions such as " is he at leats aware of it " , " if not why the official verified twitter account of the president following Pearljr ? " , " was he trying to confuse /mislead or to enlighten when he talked about the four years ? " . In the absence of answers to these questions , I find it kind of safe to believe that Obama is a playing his part of the game , just like many others . <br /><br />Ps : @Its her I love your posts ! they are so cute and amusing with the smileys ! =D <br /><br />
<br />It's obvious that the president is is on the hoax , and if we suppose that he's not , then we'll have to find reasonable answers to questions such as " is he at leats aware of it " , " if not why the official verified twitter account of the president following Pearljr ?<br />
<br /><br /><br />Just a thought, without trying to sound facetious. It probably not the president himself who is behind obamas twitter, it would be his "people" running the account. If pearl followed him, then its common courtesy in twitter land to follow back. Could it be possible, that his "people" followed her back, after she initiated?<br /><br /><br />What your saying is a possibility. But what is suggested above is also a possibility too. We have to think a little laterally.
@ItsHer...I love your posts, they are always so fresh :icon_razz:<br />you have mentioned 4 DOG years :icon_lol: OMG..that would be really long time to wait for Bam! If I am correct, 1 dog year equals 7 human years...so 4x7...28 years... :icon_lol:
<br />@ItsHer...I love your posts, they are always so fresh :icon_razz:<br />you have mentioned 4 DOG years :icon_lol: OMG..that would be really long time to wait for Bam! If I am correct, 1 dog year equals 7 human years...so 4x7...28 years... :icon_lol:<br />
<br />It's obvious that the president is is on the hoax , and if we suppose that he's not , then we'll have to find reasonable answers to questions such as " is he at leats aware of it " , " if not why the official verified twitter account of the president following Pearljr ?<br />
<br /><br /><br />Just a thought, without trying to sound facetious. It probably not the president himself who is behind obamas twitter, it would be his "people" running the account. If pearl followed him, then its common courtesy in twitter land to follow back. Could it be possible, that his "people" followed her back, after she initiated?<br /><br /><br />What your saying is a possibility. But what is suggested above is also a possibility too. We have to think a little laterally.<br />
<br /><br /><br />I think you're right. I just checked Obama's twitter account and it's following 667,291 people with around 25 million followers. So whoever runs the account probably does a follow-back every now and then. The first person to ever follow my twitter account was Yoko Ono (how cool is that?!? lol) and she follows a large number of people too.<br /><br /><br />
<br />It's obvious that the president is is on the hoax , and if we suppose that he's not , then we'll have to find reasonable answers to questions such as " is he at leats aware of it " , " if not why the official verified twitter account of the president following Pearljr ?<br />
<br /><br /><br />Just a thought, without trying to sound facetious. It probably not the president himself who is behind obamas twitter, it would be his "people" running the account. If pearl followed him, then its common courtesy in twitter land to follow back. Could it be possible, that his "people" followed her back, after she initiated?<br /><br /><br />What your saying is a possibility. But what is suggested above is also a possibility too. We have to think a little laterally.<br />
<br /><br /><br />I think you're right. I just checked Obama's twitter account and it's following 667,291 people with around 25 million followers. So whoever runs the account probably does a follow-back every now and then. The first person to ever follow my twitter account was Yoko Ono (how cool is that?!? lol) and she follows a large number of people too.<br />
<br /><br />You guys are both right and I know that the twitter account is run by " #Obama2012 campaign staff " but he surely does take a look at his own page every now and then . Anyway , I just meant to put emphasis on the possibility that the president might also be aware of the hoax and his statement could be a response to the 4 years statement Michael talked about . I personally believe that he is on the hoax .
<br />Bam=comeback and any other interpretation is grasping at straws.<br />
<br /><br /> :th_bravo:<br /><br />People dig too deep.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
If Michael wasn't going to come back, Paris, Latoya and the family would not keep on spreading clues imo. They know we already had found out that he is alive. So the purpose of the recent clues is to keep us in the hoax land and wait for the BAM.
<br />Bam=comeback and any other interpretation is grasping at straws.<br />
<br />Probably MJ just likes that word. Watched too many cartoons/comics. I just watched this: <br /><br /><br /><br />Also with Oprah when he explained why he grabbed his crotch. Bam! :icon_lol:<br />But of course we know MJ and Ortega in TII (and TS/Front) are giving the hoax meaning of return.
<br />It's obvious that the president is is on the hoax , and if we suppose that he's not , then we'll have to find reasonable answers to questions such as " is he at leats aware of it " , " if not why the official verified twitter account of the president following Pearljr ?<br />
<br /><br /><br />Just a thought, without trying to sound facetious. It probably not the president himself who is behind obamas twitter, it would be his "people" running the account. If pearl followed him, then its common courtesy in twitter land to follow back. Could it be possible, that his "people" followed her back, after she initiated?<br /><br /><br />What your saying is a possibility. But what is suggested above is also a possibility too. We have to think a little laterally.<br />
<br /><br /><br />I think you're right. I just checked Obama's twitter account and it's following 667,291 people with around 25 million followers. So whoever runs the account probably does a follow-back every now and then. The first person to ever follow my twitter account was Yoko Ono (how cool is that?!? lol) and she follows a large number of people too.<br />
<br /><br />You guys are both right and I know that the twitter account is run by " #Obama2012 campaign staff " but he surely does take a look at his own page every now and then . Anyway , I just meant to put emphasis on the possibility that the president might also be aware of the hoax and his statement could be a response to the 4 years statement Michael talked about . [size=14pt]I personally believe that he is in on the hoax .[/size]<br />
<br /><br /> :bowdown: Thank you, Jowayria. <br /><br />Even if the Pres. is not a very active participant, I just think MJ thought of EVERYthing, and he simply shared his covert :icon_albino: ideas with his President (just to keep him from being surprised and :affraid: punked, himself---bad protocol and all--- :icon_redface: :icon_e_surprised:). I think, when Obama broke into chuckles, MJ then said, "Is that a Go?" and Obama said "GO! Yes, you CAN!" :beerchug:<br /><br />Nobody refuses Michael Jackson's respectful ways and winning ideas :smiley_abuv: :icon_exclaim:
The signs of hoax are out there for everyone to see. It is also possible, considering that the whitehouse are often involved in hoaxes themselves, that MJs hoax was detected by them. It doesn't neccesarily mean MJ told the president. (although, I am not saying it isn't possible)<br /><br />The fact is we have seen that there are celebrities who have come out and said they believe MJ to be alive (albeit, they may have since retracted their statements) It doesn't mean that MJ told these people. It may just mean they are seeing the hoax signs, just like us.<br /><br />Lets face it, the family statements, UCLA annoucement, that memorial, and ridiculous green screen funeral are all stand out signs of hoax. Those familiar with telling lies (sorry Obama) or those in the entertainment industry are all too familiar with such fictional events that perhaps they saw right through them and came to the conclusion of 'hoax' on their own. Doesn't mean they are in on the hoax.<br /><br />Another sticking point for me personally is, with all due respect to MJ, and this is more a question that I am keen to hear others perspective on, rather than a statement, but lets be real here, MJ is the greatest thing amongst fans, but amongst an incredibly large number of others there is still a hate for MJ and a misconception that he is a ped*****<br />(I am getting to my point, sorry!) Wouldn't Obama being 'in' on the hoax potentially jeapordize having these people on his side? Wouldn't it be in Obamas interests to stay neutral regarding MJ? Especially in relation to a hoax which will no doubt as much as make a lot of fans happy, piss off a lot of others...<br /><br />Again, this isn't a statement its more of a question. It has always been a sticking point for me regaridng the idea of Obama not being involved. But perhaps I am not looking at this from the right angle. So other peoples opinions here are welcomed.<br /><br /><br />P.s hope I am making sense
<br />Bam=comeback and any other interpretation is grasping at straws.<br />
<br />Probably MJ just likes that word. Watched too many cartoons/comics. I just watched this: <br /><br /><br /><br />Also with Oprah when he explained why he grabbed his crotch. Bam! :icon_lol:<br />But of course we know MJ and Ortega in TII (and TS/Front) are giving the hoax meaning of return.<br />
<br /><br />[size=12pt] :icon_e_biggrin: MJonmind, this is quite a find---MJ throwing PUNCHES and saying BAM :icon_exclaim: Revisiting old things, he does the same thing on his History short films[size=24pt] 1 & 2 [/size]sets. I posted this before but no one seemed to know what I meant. Both sets have writing which states, "BRACE YOURSELVES", but one is before you watch his films, and the other one is after, and there is nothing else on the disc (after), to 'brace yourselves' for. <br /><br />I can't remember which, but [size=14pt]HE[/size] :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile throws a punch on one, and the other one just has a huge Ironman-type fist comeout of nowhere, AT the camera, and [size=36pt]POW[/size], err, [size=36pt]BAM :icon_exclaim: [/size]---right in the kisser! <br /><br />When I posted it before, it was proof he, oh, yeah, planned to do it TO (for) his fans--the ones buying his films. We :bearhug: had (already in hand :icon_e_surprised:) an intended "heads up"---one of many, I believe, and the rest of the world just got the shock. <br /><br />I asked the question---WHY did he say :TongueOutSmiley: "BRACE YOURSELVES" at the end of the short films, AFTER we watched them all? Brace yourselves for what? <br /><br />The planned, "best, yet to come". :icon_e_smile: Something REAL scary that would feel like a blow to the gut. Death, but faked. :icon_pale:<br /><br />THAT :affraid:, I think, was Part [size=18pt]ONE[/size]. Then, the Return Bam; THIS is it: Part [size=18pt]TWO[/size]. :multiplespotting: :multiplespotting:<br /><br />That's like, uh, a real "one-two punch", right? As it should be. :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135: :michael_jackson-1135:
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