<br />The signs of hoax are out there for everyone to see. It is also possible, considering that the whitehouse are often involved in hoaxes themselves, that MJs hoax was detected by them. It doesn't neccesarily mean MJ told the president. (although, I am not saying it isn't possible)<br /><br />The fact is we have seen that there are celebrities who have come out and said they believe MJ to be alive (albeit, they may have since retracted their statements) It doesn't mean that MJ told these people. It may just mean they are seeing the hoax signs, just like us.<br /><br />Lets face it, the family statements, UCLA annoucement, that memorial, and ridiculous green screen funeral are all stand out signs of hoax. Those familiar with telling lies (sorry Obama) or those in the entertainment industry are all too familiar with such fictional events that perhaps they saw right through them and came to the conclusion of 'hoax' on their own. Doesn't mean they are in on the hoax.<br /><br />Another sticking point for me personally is, with all due respect to MJ, and this is more a question that I am keen to hear others perspective on, rather than a statement, but lets be real here, MJ is the greatest thing amongst fans, but amongst an incredibly large number of others there is still a hate for MJ and a misconception that he is a ped*****<br />(I am getting to my point, sorry!) Wouldn't Obama being 'in' on the hoax potentially jeapordize having these people on his side? Wouldn't it be in Obamas interests to stay neutral regarding MJ? Especially in relation to a hoax which will no doubt as much as make a lot of fans happy, piss off a lot of others...<br /><br />Again, this isn't a statement its more of a question. It has always been a sticking point for me regaridng the idea of Obama not being involved. But perhaps I am not looking at this from the right angle. So other peoples opinions here are welcomed.<br /><br /><br />P.s hope I am making sense<br />
<br /><br />You are definitely making sense<br /><br />I'm just gonna write everything i feel.<br /><br />This hoax is NOT about global warming, saving earth. That would be the dumbest hoax explanation ever in my opinion.<br /><br />This hoax cannot be an awareness campaign against TPTB (if MJ faked his death to let people know about the evil institutions, this hoax would end even before he'd comeback as TPTB/enemies would know way before MJ's fans would know that he's alive and would kill him.. at least will not let him out)<br />His life would be in grave danger.<br /><br />This hoax has to be for solely a sting on the media, to recover his damaged image. The hoax is impossible without the assistance of some influential institution, and Michael may very well have joined forces with them for fulfilling his purpose. And these institutions maybe having some benefits for assisting MJ...a case of pure mutual co-operation.<br /><br />We do not know whether MJ is secretly planning to stab them in the back and create revolution (not possible IMO), but at this moment, he is for sure in his enemies camp and acting Bad. A business deal.<br />And Obama might be helping Michael, because as I said, there would be some benefit out of providing assistance. And anyways, Michael being with the TPTB pre-supposes Obama being with the hoax.<br /><br />This is my perception of the hoax at this moment. And as Bec had said...entertainment for fans, sting on the media, a slap on public's face.
<br />entertainment for fans, sting on the media, a slap on public's face.<br />
<br /><br />To me thats the reason in a nutsell. But I am open to the idea I may need to change my mind. But up until now, these reasons make the most sense.<br />At the end of the day, he is the king of entertainment and who wouldn't wan't to go to extreme lengths to clear their name of such vitriolic accusations if they were such a public and misrepresented figure?<br /><br />In addition to this though, I do believe he is trying to his version of 'preaching work' in an attempt to encourage people to find God / spiritual enlightenment, etc. He has always been a very spiritual person in his music therefore I believe this hasn't changed post hoax. But, jmo :icon_e_wink:
<br />entertainment for fans, sting on the media, a slap on public's face.<br />
<br /><br />To me thats the reason in a nutsell. But I am open to the idea I may need to change my mind. But up until now, these reasons make the most sense.<br />At the end of the day, he is the king of entertainment and who wouldn't wan't to go to extreme lengths to clear their name of such vitriolic accusations if they were such a public and misrepresented figure?<br /><br />In addition to this though, I do believe he is trying to his version of 'preaching work' in an attempt to encourage people to find God / spiritual enlightenment, etc. He has always been a very spiritual person in his music therefore I believe this hasn't changed post hoax. But, jmo :icon_e_wink:<br />
<br /><br />spiritual enlightenment is more for us, rather than the public. After his comeback, more people will be interested in the technical details of the hoax instead of the spiritual ones.
...Another example of this is [size=24pt]FIST[/size] in ear, I don't believe he is talking about a literal [size=18pt]fist[/size] in his ear, futhermore, I dont think he is actually referring to the audio equipment. I believe [size=18pt]fist[/size] in ear (and I know others believe the same) to be a reference to something Michael doesnt agree with or like to hear or activity he is aware of that doesn't sit well for him. You know, Don't like it, don't like hearing it, makes me sick... "its like a[size=18pt] fist[/size] in my ear" But on the surface it appears that MJ is talking about audio equipment, but is he really?<br /><br />TII is full of scenes where MJ appears to be talking about one thing on the surface, but post knowledge of the hoax you see that he is really talking about something else....
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<br /><br />Ha ha ha MJ is bending over backwards to make certain enough clues are out there, that he PLANNED this, ALL of it, including the second shock---the comeback/takeover/BAM. omgosh! I didn't even see, upon first read, that you said "FIST" so many times. <br /><br />I agree that a FIST to the ear would be unpleasant, whether literal or figurative...we'll just have to figure it out WHICH way he meant, for sure, but (to be lame, as usual :icon_e_confused: ) a real FIST to the ear would go, "BAM". I don't know if that was the point, but I don't think we are to go so far, now, to examine boxer's or cauliflower ears...without more thought on this. :icon_geek:
<br />@ItsHer...I love your posts, they are always so fresh :icon_razz:<br />you have mentioned 4 DOG years :icon_lol: OMG..that would be really long time to wait for Bam! If I am correct, 1 dog year equals 7 human years...so 4x7...28 years... :icon_lol:<br />
<br /><br />Oh, Emulik, thank you! :icon_e_biggrin: And you are correct about "dog years" being about 28 years! But, guess what!? Even if MJ DID mean dog years (I, personally, was kidding around :icon_e_surprised:), he's ALREADY been keeping this secret that long! :icon_eek: Time's almost up! :bearhug: :icon_bounce: :thjajaja121:
<br /><br />This hoax is NOT about global warming, saving earth. That would be the dumbest hoax explanation ever in my opinion.<br /><br />This hoax cannot be an awareness campaign against TPTB (if MJ faked his death to let people know about the evil institutions, this hoax would end even before he'd comeback as TPTB/enemies would know way before MJ's fans would know that he's alive and would kill him.. at least will not let him out)<br />His life would be in grave danger.<br /><br />This hoax has to be for solely a sting on the media, to recover his damaged image. The hoax is impossible without the assistance of some influential institution, and Michael may very well have joined forces with them for fulfilling his purpose. And these institutions maybe having some benefits for assisting MJ...a case of pure mutual co-operation.<br /><br />We do not know whether MJ is secretly planning to stab them in the back and create revolution (not possible IMO), but at this moment, he is for sure in his enemies camp and acting Bad. A business deal.<br />And Obama might be helping Michael, because as I said, there would be some benefit out of providing assistance. And anyways, Michael being with the TPTB pre-supposes Obama being with the hoax.<br /><br />This is my perception of the hoax at this moment. And as Bec had said...entertainment for fans, sting on the media, a slap on public's face.<br />
<br /><br /><br />I definitely agree that the hoax is, in part, entertainment for those paying attention (not necessarily just fans) and a sting of sorts on the media and the public's acceptance for what the media says. The mass media is definitely corrupted by those who control the media - they try to tell us what to think and feel by manipulating the events around the world, skewing and presenting the "facts" so we react how they want us to - which furthers their agenda of control. Michael preached love, peace, understanding and caring for one another. He knows the importance of universal love, he says so near the beginning of this video.<br /><br /><br /><br />Michael's message is and has always been in direct conflict with "theirs". They spread fear and all the negativity that goes along with it. Which is why, imo, "they" set out to destroy Michael with the allegations, using the media to paint the worst possible picture of Michael by saying he's the worst type of deviant. Others who's messages opposed TPTB's were killed - John Lennon, Princess Diana, MLK Jr, JFK and more. Maybe TPTB did try to kill MJ over the years but failed. I remember what TS said about this, that it's possible God has a special plan for Michael and that is why no one can get to him - he's protected by God from his enemies “for such a time as this”. <br /><br /><br />About saving the Earth itself - the Earth is a living creature and if it comes down to it, the Earth won't let us destroy her - she'll wipe us out first. So we need to be very aware of how our actions impact the Earth. I don't really believe what "they" say about global warming (considering the source of this info is "them") and the fact that the Earth has been naturally warming and cooling for eons.<br /><br /><br />I realize that I am more inclined to believe the more serious aspects of the hoax, being a "conspiracy theorist" prior to Michael faking his death. But I have also noticed a definite increase of those who see what I see and know there is a hidden agenda at work for world control. More and more people ARE waking up to this reality, especially since June 25th. And the more who are aware, the safer Michael will be when he returns. The question is - will their be enough people in the 4 years time-line that Michael stated?
Maybe TPTB did try to kill MJ over the years but failed. I remember what TS said about this, that it's possible God has a special plan for Michael and that is why no one can get to him - he's protected by God from his enemies “for such a time as this”.
I've always felt that the reason for TPTB not killing Michael is because he's SO influential. TPTB must have made him suffer because he was 'not like them' by manipulating media and all the BS about him, the allegations and in various other ways, in the hope of MJ being on their side. No other artist is so much appealing and influential as MJ. If media never printed all the crap news about him, this day MJ will have zero haters. The hate for MJ was channelled by the media by adding the 'personal opinions' on MJ. If MJ was a TPTB member, it would have been way easy for all of them to establish a better control over the public through MJ.<br /><br />But at this point, though I know and sincerely believe that Michael possesses divine characteristics and has always preached being on God's side, feel that MJ must have had taken the TPTB's assistance to do the hoax. If not, how else? by influential friends in the middle east...? and if his friends did help him out, isn't his life in grave danger right now...is he doing the hoax putting his life at stake? And if Michael is really against TPTB, that'd also give the chance for his kids' lives being in danger.
Maybe TPTB did try to kill MJ over the years but failed. I remember what TS said about this, that it's possible God has a special plan for Michael and that is why no one can get to him - he's protected by God from his enemies “for such a time as this”.
<br /><br />I've always felt that the reason for TPTB not killing Michael is because he's SO influential. TPTB must have made him suffer because he was 'not like them' by manipulating media and all the BS about him, the allegations and in various other ways, in the hope of MJ being on their side. No other artist is so much appealing and influential as MJ. If media never printed all the crap news about him, this day MJ will have zero haters. The hate for MJ was channelled by the media by adding the 'personal opinions' on MJ. If MJ was a TPTB member, it would have been way easy for all of them to establish a better control over the public through MJ.<br /><br />But at this point, though I know and sincerely believe that Michael possesses divine characteristics and has always preached being on God's side, feel that MJ must have had taken the TPTB's assistance to do the hoax. If not, how else? by influential friends in the middle east...? and if his friends did help him out, isn't his life in grave danger right now...is he doing the hoax putting his life at stake? And if Michael is really against TPTB, that'd also give the chance for his kids' lives being in danger.
<br /><br /><br />I agree that Michael has influential friends with power and money who are willing to help him pull off this hoax. I just don't think that every person who has power and money is part of TPTB. I believe that anyone helping MJ opposes TPTB's agenda. The TPTB know that more and more people are becoming aware of what's really going on in the world and this knowledge provides a sort of protection against them, their actions become more obvious. Paris knows what's going on and has tweeted about it, brought attention to it. Many people believe that TPTB killed Michael, many more than those who think Michael is alive - going after his children would cause such an outcry, such outrage. The Jacksons wouldn't allow it. We have to trust that they are protected.<br /><br /><br />The media's attempt to destroy Michael was their attempt to belittle his message because Michael has such great influence all over the world. It's easier to control people who are scared and angry than people who are loving and caring.
Andrea, you are spot on with both of your most recent posts, at least IMO! We can only speculate now on who might be helping Michael, but he said frequently he could not do it himself. I am of the mind that Michael has long ago won his battle with the media and is now using the media to right some serious wrongs and not just about him. It's the only explanation for his willingness to place his children in the public limelight.
<br /><br /><br />Agree gwynned, Michael has been manipulating the media as well. Fighting fire with fire, as it were. It's much more obvious to us, the rest of the world will see the signs of it in hindsight.
<br />@ItsHer...I love your posts, they are always so fresh :icon_razz:<br />you have mentioned 4 DOG years :icon_lol: OMG..that would be really long time to wait for Bam! If I am correct, 1 dog year equals 7 human years...so 4x7...28 years... :icon_lol:<br />
<br /><br />Oh, Emulik, thank you! :icon_e_biggrin: And you are correct about "dog years" being about 28 years! But, guess what!? Even if MJ DID mean dog years (I, personally, was kidding around :icon_e_surprised:), he's ALREADY been keeping this secret that long! :icon_eek: Time's almost up! :bearhug: :icon_bounce: :thjajaja121:<br />
<br /> :icon_razz: I know you were just kidding :LolLolLolLol: 28 years is really a long time, lol
Michael says in the 'This is It' audio ..<br /> <br />"Ready? 1..2..3..4" [music starts]<br /><br />he could very well be talking about 4 years here. and then he sings,<br /><br />'this is it...here I stand.<br />I'm the light of the world<br />i feel grand"<br /><br />This part could mean comeback...imo
<br />Michael says in the 'This is It' audio ..<br /> <br />"Ready? 1..2..3..4" [music starts]<br /><br />he could very well be talking about 4 years here. and then he sings,<br /><br />'this is it...here I stand.<br />I'm the light of the world<br />i feel grand"<br /><br />This part could mean comeback...imo<br />
<br /><br />I think you're right. Lately I've been wondering if Michael's music, interviews etc have more clues than we realize. I've been going back and listening to a lot of his interviews lately and stuff that just seemed like conversation before are now starting to jump out as clues or messages.<br /><br />Like you said in this particular song he does a count off....I don't recall Michael having done that before (he may have), but the fact he does it on THIS song is significant...IMO :compute:
<br />Michael says in the 'This is It' audio ..<br /> <br />"Ready? 1..2..3..4" [music starts]<br /><br />he could very well be talking about 4 years here. and then he sings,<br /><br />'this is it...here I stand.<br />I'm the light of the world<br />i feel grand"<br /><br />This part could mean comeback...imo<br />
<br /><br />Lol, I think you are the first in almost 4 years who notices that, good thought! That is why revisiting old topics is important, we have learned more, gathered all this info all these years and might see or think of things we missed earlier. <br /><br />Old fashioned hoaxing is great now to kill whatever time we have left in this nuthouse.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I don't know whether this has been discussed previously in the forum but this just popped in my mind and i don't know whether i'm supposed to create a new thread for this but as this topic is related to 4 years and bam and all, i'm posting here ..... anyways<br /><br />in the official website of Lundon's bridge {http://www.lundons.com/meet.html} under the 'meet the cast you can see this :<br /><br /><br /><br />"(Live Actor) bet you can't guess who will play Lundon's Dad"<br /><br />This got me into thinking that maybe MJ will bam this way. He started this hoax in a real world scenario and ending it by appearing on the screen. Now people who don't know that Michael's alive will surely be shocked with all of this.<br /><br />And check out this synopisis : http://www.twitlonger.com/show/emc16q<br /><br />"3 months pass and Kevin is presumed dead."<br /><br /><br />And in this story lundon's dad is kidnapped so will this be the possible explanation after comeback? and if so, we have Sharon Sydney talking that she thinks MJ is kidnapped...and she was supposedly a witness at the UCLA and she saw it was not Michael on the stretcher, it was someone else.<br />Though, at present I can't see how this kidnapping explanation might support the sting on media.
<br />I don't know whether this has been discussed previously in the forum but this just popped in my mind and i don't know whether i'm supposed to create a new thread for this but as this topic is related to 4 years and bam and all, i'm posting here ..... anyways<br /><br />in the official website of Lundon's bridge {http://www.lundons.com/meet.html} under the 'meet the cast you can see this :<br /><br /><br /><br />"(Live Actor) bet you can't guess who will play Lundon's Dad"<br /><br />This got me into thinking that maybe MJ will bam this way. He started this hoax in a real world scenario and ending it by appearing on the screen. Now people who don't know that Michael's alive will surely be shocked with all of this.<br /><br />And check out this synopisis : http://www.twitlonger.com/show/emc16q<br /><br />"3 months pass and Kevin is presumed dead."<br /><br /><br />And in this story lundon's dad is kidnapped so will this be the possible explanation after comeback? and if so, we have Sharon Sydney talking that she thinks MJ is kidnapped...and she was supposedly a witness at the UCLA and she saw it was not Michael on the stretcher, it was someone else.<br />Though, at present I can't see how this kidnapping explanation might support the sting on media.<br />
<br /><br />Yes we were talking about the possibility that Lundon's dad might be Michael himself however we didn't think about the kidnapping fact but I find it like a good excuse to reappear in public, that's probably the why Michael not BAMming last Christmas and the fake clues about it just to mislead us and make time till Lundon's Bridge and the 3 Keys is released, who knows? BTW does anyone know in what month of 2013 the movie will be released?
<br />I don't know whether this has been discussed previously in the forum but this just popped in my mind and i don't know whether i'm supposed to create a new thread for this but as this topic is related to 4 years and bam and all, i'm posting here ..... anyways<br /><br />in the official website of Lundon's bridge {http://www.lundons.com/meet.html} under the 'meet the cast you can see this :<br /><br /><br /><br />"(Live Actor) bet you can't guess who will play Lundon's Dad"<br /><br />This got me into thinking that maybe MJ will bam this way. He started this hoax in a real world scenario and ending it by appearing on the screen. Now people who don't know that Michael's alive will surely be shocked with all of this.<br /><br />And check out this synopisis : http://www.twitlonger.com/show/emc16q<br /><br />"3 months pass and Kevin is presumed dead."<br /><br /><br />And in this story lundon's dad is kidnapped so will this be the possible explanation after comeback? and if so, we have Sharon Sydney talking that she thinks MJ is kidnapped...and she was supposedly a witness at the UCLA and she saw it was not Michael on the stretcher, it was someone else.<br />Though, at present I can't see how this kidnapping explanation might support the sting on media.<br />
<br /><br />Yes we were talking about the possibility that Lundon's dad might be Michael himself however we didn't think about the kidnapping fact but I find it like a good excuse to reappear in public, that's probably the why Michael not BAMming last Christmas and the fake clues about it just to mislead us and make time till Lundon's Bridge and the 3 Keys is released, who knows? BTW does anyone know in what month of 2013 the movie will be released?<br />
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BTW does anyone know in what month of 2013 the movie will be released?
<br /><br />I was wondering about that too? Every now and then I'm checking if there are any updates. No news of a release so far. Anyways, the best is yet to come :icon_e_biggrin:
<br />Michael says in the 'This is It' audio ..<br /> <br />"Ready? 1..2..3..4" [music starts]<br /><br />he could very well be talking about 4 years here. and then he sings,<br /><br />'this is it...here I stand.<br />I'm the light of the world<br />i feel grand"<br /><br />This part could mean comeback...imo<br />
<br /><br />Lol, I think you are the first in almost 4 years who notices that, good thought! That is why revisiting old topics is important, we have learned more, gathered all this info all these years and might see or think of things we missed earlier. <br /><br />Old fashioned hoaxing is great now to kill whatever time we have left in this nuthouse.<br />
<br /><br />Agree with you and is always a great emotion...Our great adventure is something magical :icon_razz:<br />
...Another example of this is [size=24pt]FIST[/size] in ear, I don't believe he is talking about a literal [size=18pt]fist[/size] in his ear, futhermore, I dont think he is actually referring to the audio equipment. I believe [size=18pt]fist[/size] in ear (and I know others believe the same) to be a reference to something Michael doesnt agree with or like to hear or activity he is aware of that doesn't sit well for him. You know, Don't like it, don't like hearing it, makes me sick... "its like a[size=18pt] fist[/size] in my ear" But on the surface it appears that MJ is talking about audio equipment, but is he really?<br /><br />TII is full of scenes where MJ appears to be talking about one thing on the surface, but post knowledge of the hoax you see that he is really talking about something else....
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<br /><br />Ha ha ha MJ is bending over backwards to make certain enough clues are out there, that he PLANNED this, ALL of it, including the second shock---the comeback/takeover/BAM. omgosh! I didn't even see, upon first read, that you said "FIST" so many times. <br /><br />I agree that a FIST to the ear would be unpleasant, whether literal or figurative...we'll just have to figure it out WHICH way he meant, for sure, but (to be lame, as usual :icon_e_confused: ) a real FIST to the ear would go, "BAM". I don't know if that was the point, but I don't think we are to go so far, now, to examine boxer's or cauliflower ears...without more thought on this. :icon_geek: <br />
<br /><br /><br /> :icon_lol: He he. You're beautiful!
<br />Michael says in the 'This is It' audio ..<br /> <br />"Ready? 1..2..3..4" [music starts]<br /><br />he could very well be talking about 4 years here. and then he sings,<br /><br />'this is it...here I stand.<br />I'm the light of the world<br />i feel grand"<br /><br />This part could mean comeback...imo<br />
<br /><br />Lol, I think you are the first in almost 4 years who notices that, good thought! That is why revisiting old topics is important, we have learned more, gathered all this info all these years and might see or think of things we missed earlier. <br /><br />Old fashioned hoaxing is great now to kill whatever time we have left in this nuthouse.<br />
<br />I don't know whether this has been discussed previously in the forum but this just popped in my mind and i don't know whether i'm supposed to create a new thread for this but as this topic is related to 4 years and bam and all, i'm posting here ..... anyways<br /><br />in the official website of Lundon's bridge {http://www.lundons.com/meet.html} under the 'meet the cast you can see this :<br /><br /><br /><br />"(Live Actor) bet you can't guess who will play Lundon's Dad"<br /><br />This got me into thinking that maybe MJ will bam this way. He started this hoax in a real world scenario and ending it by appearing on the screen. Now people who don't know that Michael's alive will surely be shocked with all of this.<br /><br />And check out this synopisis : http://www.twitlonger.com/show/emc16q<br /><br />"3 months pass and Kevin is presumed dead."<br /><br /><br />And in this story lundon's dad is kidnapped so will this be the possible explanation after comeback? and if so, we have Sharon Sydney talking that she thinks MJ is kidnapped...and she was supposedly a witness at the UCLA and she saw it was not Michael on the stretcher, it was someone else.<br />Though, at present I can't see how this kidnapping explanation might support the sting on media.<br />
<br /><br />Interesting ! ( It seems to be my word of the week lol ) <br />I also find the trailer interesting ! <br /> /><br />a girl who "believes".. a timeless family "adventure " ..
Paris JUST deleted her tweet<br /><br />[1] thing [2] do....[3] words [4] you...i love you <br /><br />can you see? 1,2,3,4 <br /><br />that's 4 years!!!
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."