Thriller, why is murder impossible? Because we don't WANT Michael to be murdered?<br /><br />
Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's nephew testified Thursday that he believes his uncle was murdered.<br /><br />T.J. Jackson, the youngest son of Jackson brother Tito, revealed his suspicion while being cross examined by an AEG Live lawyer in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial.<br /><br />"Do you believe your uncle was murdered?" AEG Live attorney Jessica Stebbins Bina asked T.J. Jackson.<br /><br />"I do," he answered. "I believe it because he did tell me and the brothers that he was going to be murdered on a couple of occasions.<br /><br />"He said that just because of his position he was a target."<br /><br />T.J. Jackson had earlier testified that his mother, Delores Jackson, was the victim of murder 19 years ago.<br />"My mother was murdered for money, too, so I don't put that past anyone," he said.<br /><br />Initially it was believed that his mother, Delores Martes Jackson, who had divorced from Tito Jackson in 1993, drowned in a swimming pool, but the case was reopened, and her sons in 1995 filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against a man they accused of killing her. Three years later, the man was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to 15 years to life in prison.
<br /><br />http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/27/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html<br /><br />La Toya said right after his death that she believed he was murdered, and back then, I thought that would be for hoax purposes. But to maintain that claim of murder 'till recently (by T.J.), that adds to my reconsiderations about the hoax like we believed it existed.<br /><br /><br />
Fact is that Michael was afraid, was talking about conspiracies all around him, and told family members that 'they' were going to kill him for his money/catalogues. <br />
<br /><br />What makes this a Fact, in your opinion? Before you answer, please consider that statements are not Facts, other then it being a Fact that the speaker uttered certain words n phrases, but a statement itself is not a Fact, as example, courts consider statements hearsay and circumstantial evidence. The credibility of the witness needs to be taken into account. Not even if he said it under oath (as there exists the thing called perjury) does it render a statement a Fact. <br /><br />Example: Gavin Arviso stated that MJ molested him. Fact?<br /><br />Further example: MJ stated that he loves to tour -cut the tape-. Fact?<br /><br />
Michael never wanted Branca to be any part of his business EVER again.
<br /><br />Please expound? How do you know this? What makes you believe this is a Fact?<br /><br />Murder is not 'impossible'. It is simply unsupported by the evidence to date. If you would like to dispute that, Do, please offer supportive evidence to the murder theory. Because to date, I don't believe we have seen any that makes the murder theory plausible.<br /><br />
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<br />Well, I believe Curls came up with this on a previous page in this thread, but it would be a good idea to put all the EVIDENCE that Michael is still alive, in a list.<br />And that means no assumptions, but FACTS.
<br /><br />Perhaps, as an example, or cornerstone, someone should offer up an undisputed FACT that exists in this world. Just a simple, random FACT so we can look for something like that in the death hoax investigation. So, what is an example of a generally held n accepted FACT in life? <br /><br />
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<br />Ah, come on now guys - it's one thing to objectively reassess facts and genuine evidence and be prepared for them to lead to a possible different conclusion, but we should avoid employing over active imaginations and inventing new and totally unsupported scenarios.<br />
<br /><br />Yes, agreed. It is easy for our imaginations to get carried away. We need to stay realistic. And debunking the same theory over n over again doesn't get us anywhere.<br /><br />
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<br />I think it's illegal to fake your death for money? Isn't that stated in Californian Law ?<br />
<br /><br />Like this. Sorry @Thriller to use your post as an example but this one has been done to death since pretty much the day after D day. It is indeed illegal to fake your death in order to A) collect insurance money (life insurance or other death benefits), escape a court order, or C) evade taxes. Otherwise it's perfectly legal in the US to 'pretend' to be dead. <br /><br />So how, in your opinion, would MJ have broken the law by hoaxing his death?<br /><br />Before you answer, recall that none of the official MJJ merchandise sold states "RIP" or "in memory of" MJ or equivalent.
Ok? <br /><br />If I'm not mistaken, you offered your comment as an attempt to debate MJ=Sony being behind the hoax. As in, MJ can't be behind Sony's involvement in the hoax because that would be somehow illegal, which I demonstrated is not applicable to the circumstances.<br /><br />Example: try to prove that MJJ merchandise would NOT have sold if MJ had NOT "died" on 6/25/09. That would be the burden placed on a prosecutor who attempted to bring suit against MJ after bamsday. Man, good luck with that one.<br /><br />I guess I'm done playing DA lol.
Bec, I almost cannot believe you are asking me to elaborate on this. But here you have Michael HIMSELF talking about conspiracy. Is he credible enough?<br /><br />This is an excerpt of the interview Michael gave to Jesse Jackson’s radio show on March 27, 2005, which happened during the trial itself. Starts here with Michael’s revelation about the Conspiracy.<br /><br /><br />
Jesse Jackson Interview, March 27, 2005 Radio Show<br /><br />Jesse: And so, you-you-you-you had these hits, ahem, and people that you have embraced are now facing you in court on a daily basis. How does your spirit handle that?<br /><br />Michael: Ah, I gained strength from God. I believe in Jehovah God very much and ah, and I gain strength from the fact that I know I’m innocent ~~ none of these stories are true ~~ they are totally fabricated, and it’s very sad, it’s very, very painful. And I pray a lot and er, that’s how I deal with it and I’m a strong person, I’m a warrior. And I know what’s inside of me. I’m a fighter. But it’s very painful. At the end of the day, I’m human, you know, I’m still a human being. So it does hurt very, very, very much.<br /><br />Michael's Arrest in 2003<br /><br />Jesse: You and I were watching, you know you and I were talking last week on the phone and – and there was this rhythm of the trial, which we will not get into at all today, but then they shifted from the focus of the trial to say you are broke. And last week, people are calling in, all around the nation saying, “Is Michael broke”? Michael, are you broke???<br /><br />Michael: That’s not true at all. It’s one of their many schemes to embarrass me and to just drag me through mud. And it’s the same pattern, like I told you before with these other people in the past. Same pattern. Don’t believe, you know, this is tabloid, sensationalized kind of gossip. <br /><br />Jesse: Well, how did the money issue get in it in the first place? Some people called and they thought it was about the Sony catalog. What’s- what’s in that catalog?<br /><br />Michael: In my Sony Catalog, is all the Beatles music, ahem, all of the music I own – I own Sly and the Family Stone, I-I own such a volume of so many, I own Elvis – so many Elvis songs and it’s a huge catalog, very valuable, it’s worth a lot of money. And there is a big fight going on right now, as we speak about that. Now, I can’t say whether or not – I can’t comment on it, but there’s a lot of conspiracy, I’ll say that – conspiracy going on as we speak.<br /><br />Jesse: It was suggested by a number of your friends and family members was that this fight was really more about this catalog issue than it is any thing else. Do you believe that?<br /><br />Michael: Well, you know, I don’t want to comment. I don’t want to make a comment, Jessie ah—it’s a real delicate issue and uh, I’ll let you, I’ll let you make the comment on that one.<br /><br />Jesse: Let me shift this to this extent. Ahem, since so many people are listening and there have been so many opinions – I was in London a couple of weeks ago, and 24/7 was Michael Jackson all-day-long and all-night-long and the day that you came to the hospital late [to court], you said you were injured. What happened that day?<br /><br />Michael: I was coming, er, out of the shower and I-I-I fell. And all my body weight, and I’m pretty fragile, all my body weight fell against my rib cage. And I pretty much, er, er, I bruised my lung very badly. My lung is on the right, it’s very [sp], it’s, I’m in pain as we speak and ah, I’ve been going to court everyday in immense pain and agonizing pain. And I sit there – and I’m strong, I try to be as strong as I can. So I can, ahh, but what we are looking for is the coughing of blood now. The doctor said I should – he said it’s still very dangerous as we speak, and if I cough the blood, he said it’s a very dangerous thing, so we’re, we’re still watching it very closely.<br /><br />Jesse: The cynics said you were faking. And it seems that the judge is [sic] will not even willing to believe you, even though you had just left the hospital. <br /><br />Michael: You know the – there’s no faking with this at all. I mean there was a scan done and you could see, uhhh, the swelling on my whole rib cage, I mean, uh, it was you could see it and it’s bright red. And how it, it [the fall] busted my chin, and it put a huge gash over my forehead, blood, it was er, it was very bad actually. And er, but errr, we’ve treating it actually, I do have some medicine for it, but we are watching it very closely.<br /><br />Jesse: As I listen to your talking about this whole ordeal that you are going through, and how you’ve er, stood strong sometimes amazingly so, ah, at some point last week, you – you cried. What-what touched you? What made you, breakdown, as it were?<br /><br />Michael: You mean at court?<br /><br />Jesse: Yeah. <br />Michael: I was in pain. I was sitting there hurting. And er, the pain was so immense, all I could do was to sit there and cry. See, because it er, it was so intense at that moment, ah, ahem, I just couldn’t handle it. So I just grab tissues and just put it to my face… and…<br /><br />Jesse: So, it was more about your personal pain, than the, than the challenges of the, from the stand?<br /><br />Michael: No, it had nothing to do with what was going on inside. It was totally with personal pain, physical pain.<br /><br />Michael's Injuries from Arrest in 2003<br /><br />Jesse: Michael, since so many people are listening, I’m trying to gleam from some of our calls on the phone today and from last week, as people listen to you, what do you want people to know? Those listening to you on the phone – I see calls from Philadelphia, and from Holland and from Britian and New York and Mississippi and Florida, California – what do you want people to know? <br /><br />Michael: About?<br /><br />Jesse: About you. About where you are now in the head, how you are feeling?<br /><br />Michael: Well, ahem, pretty much to-to be strong for me, to pray for my children and my family and myself. This is uh…uh very difficult time and to not believe what they hear, and see and read and just because it’s in print does not make it… just because it’s in print does not make it the gospel. And uh… you know, because they have sensationalized this thing to an immense degree. It’s a feeding frenzy – it’s because of uh, my celebrity. The bigger the celebrity, the bigger the target. And they have to remember that. So they’ve turned this into money – it’s like who gets the biggest ratings, you know, it’s terrible what’s happened with it. But it’s part of what I have to suffer [through] as a celebrity. It’s part-part of what I have to go through. And to just uh, just know in the end that I will be vindicated, I pray, because I know the truth. I’m an innocent person. And I believe in God and love God. And just continue to pray for us.<br /><br />Jesse: You know that, given your faith, in God and in yourself, and your declaration of innocence and while you are going through this storm ahem, presuming that you ah – win this, this has been a close battle, ahhh, a very intense battle, because the battle is-is not over, ah, the, appearance, given your relationship ahh, has called for lots of consternation. Is there anything that you will do differently? When this season is over?<br /><br />Michael: Is there anything that I would do differently?<br /><br />Jesse: Differently? When this season is over?<br /><br />Michael: (Clears throat) Ahem, my level of trust will change. And ah, there-there there’s a lot of conspiracy going on. I’ll say that much. A lot of it. <br /><br />Jesse: Do you think that….<br /><br />Michael: All around me.<br /><br />Jesse: Is the conspiracy connected to the celebrity or to the trial or to the catalog – what do you think the source of it is?<br />Michael: I-I can’t comment. I can’t comment Jessie, I-I don’t wanna… it ah, I’m under a gag order and it’s a very serious thing. I don’t want to say the wrong thing. With the wrong flavor. It’s a very delicate area. Very delicate where we are now. <br /><br />Jesse: Good. Good. Let me ask you this question though, that for those who are praying fervently, want to help and look forward to seeing Michael Jackson again. What can people expect next from you?<br /><br />Michael: Well, like-like I always say, I’m-I’m a person of the arts. I love the arts very, very, very much. And ah, I’m a musician, I’m a director, I’m a writer, I’m a composer, I’m a producer, and I love the medium. I love film very, very much. I think it’s the most expressive of all of the art mediums. The sculptor can sculpt, the painter can paint, but they capture a moment, ah, they freeze time with the moment. In film, you live the moment. You live, you have the, audiences for two hours. You have their brain, their mind – you can take them any place you want to take them. You know, and that idea is mesmerizing to me – that you can have the power to do people, to move people to change their lives and that’s where you to marry the music [and the] individual together. And that’s what excites me so much about film and the future. Because I love motion pictures very, very much. <br /><br />Jesse: Given, ah, the, heat that is on you and the taxing issue that you are facing now, does it deter you from pursuing your career when this is over? <br /><br />Michael: No! No. Not at all. Because ahem, I know who I am (clears throat) inside and outside and I know what I want to do. And I will always – er – you know, go with my dreams and my ideals in life. And I’m a very courageous person and I believe in perseverance, determination, and-and, you know, and all those wonderful things, and those ideals are very important for a person who is goal-orientated, you know? end of excerpt...<br /><br />There is also an audio version of this.
<br /><br />Below a small part of the 60 minutes interview<br /><br /> /><br /><br /><br />Jermaine talking about conspiracy (short version)<br /><br /> /><br /><br /><br /><br />Furthermore, family members like Latoya (on tape) and T.J. (in court) said that Michael told him they were going to kill him. Are family members only credible when they talk hoax language?<br /><br />On the 'Michael Jackson never wanted Branco to be any part of his business ever again', I put a link about that in one of my previous posts, didn't you read that?<br /><br />You said: it's easy for our imaginations to get carried away. <br />Yes, I really start to believe that's what happened to us hoaxers.
Bec, you also asked to put up supportive evidence to the murder theory, but you and I both know that some murder cases will forever remain surrounded with riddles or be dismissed as suicide especially if there is something to hide or when there is a lot at stake or when people's silence is bought.
Bec, what I meant with fact is that what Michael was telling, we should take in consideration, rather then dismiss it because it's not fitting the hoax. For the hoax, we only have many assumptions and, I admit, some strange statements from family members put together. If I wasn't intriged by that, I wouldn't be here all these years.
We know that the Pepsi burn accident stands exactly in the middle from Michael's birth to June 25(his supposed death).<br />So to have this kind of numerology, this death day is orchestrated. June 25th was either murder or a death hoax.<br />Since we don't have any evidence to prove a murder theory, it only leaves us with a death hoax which can only be done by Michael. <br />
This day of June 25th was set, it was determined, previously decided. A murder is impossible, and the other option is only a 'death hoax'.<br /><br /><br />@Do... ikr, curls said it right. The clues of this hoax when taken separately dont make sense...together they do.<br />
<br /><br />Agree with you Thriller, this number 9282 could be a well calculated number to kill Michael however the sum of it all makes 21 (777) and that number shouts MJ no doubt for me that has been planned by our man.
Perhaps, as an example, or cornerstone, someone should offer up an undisputed FACT that exists in this world. Just a simple, random FACT so we can look for something like that in the death hoax investigation. So, what is an example of a generally held n accepted FACT in life? <br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24082.msg447021/topicseen.html#new
<br /><br />Fact: we're all born and we're all going to die one day. That is the most undisputed fact there is.
When you murder someone as big as Michael Jackson you can't left evidence behind for public to find out about it. Why would we have any evidence of a carefully planned murder. I don't think we as outsiders could figure out much if it was a murder.
Fact is that Michael was afraid, was talking about conspiracies all around him, and told family members that 'they' were going to kill him for his money/catalogues. <br />
<br /><br />What makes this a Fact, in your opinion? Before you answer, please consider that statements are not Facts, other then it being a Fact that the speaker uttered certain words n phrases, but a statement itself is not a Fact, as example, courts consider statements hearsay and circumstantial evidence. The credibility of the witness needs to be taken into account. Not even if he said it under oath (as there exists the thing called perjury) does it render a statement a Fact. <br /><br />Example: Gavin Arviso stated that MJ molested him. Fact?<br /><br />Further example: MJ stated that he loves to tour -cut the tape-. Fact?<br /><br />
Michael never wanted Branca to be any part of his business EVER again.
<br /><br />Please expound? How do you know this? What makes you believe this is a Fact?<br /><br />Murder is not 'impossible'. It is simply unsupported by the evidence to date. If you would like to dispute that, Do, please offer supportive evidence to the murder theory. Because [size=12pt]to date, I don't believe we have seen any that makes the murder theory plausible.[/size]<br /><br />
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<br />Well, I believe Curls came up with this on a previous page in this thread, but it would be a good idea to put all the EVIDENCE that Michael is still alive, in a list.<br />And that means no assumptions, but FACTS.
<br /><br />Perhaps, as an example, or cornerstone, someone should offer up an undisputed FACT that exists in this world. Just a simple, random FACT so we can look for something like that in the death hoax investigation. So, what is an example of a generally held n accepted FACT in life? <br /><br />
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<br />Ah, come on now guys - it's one thing to objectively reassess facts and genuine evidence and be prepared for them to lead to a possible different conclusion, but we should avoid employing over active imaginations and inventing new and totally unsupported scenarios.<br />
<br /><br />Yes, agreed. It is easy for our imaginations to get carried away. We need to stay realistic. And debunking the same theory over n over again doesn't get us anywhere.<br /><br />
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<br />I think it's illegal to fake your death for money? Isn't that stated in Californian Law ?<br />
<br /><br />Like this. Sorry @Thriller to use your post as an example but this one has been done to death since pretty much the day after D day. It is indeed illegal to fake your death in order to A) collect insurance money (life insurance or other death benefits), escape a court order, or C) evade taxes. Otherwise it's perfectly legal in the US to 'pretend' to be dead. <br /><br />So how, in your opinion, would MJ have broken the law by hoaxing his death?<br /><br />Before you answer, recall that none of the official MJJ merchandise sold states "RIP" or "in memory of" MJ or equivalent.<br />
<br /><br />The mere fact that CM was so clumsy handling the alleged MJ overdose of Propofol, being hung on the cell phone with his girlfriend during 20 minutes, not being capable to practice CPR on him, etc..... could be just a pretext to seem innocent but the real intention was to leave Michael die, maybe we could be wrong and CM is the fall guy but the criminal too handled by THEM.
^^^<br />Sweet, you're absolutely right, the way CM handled this is ofcourse VERY suspicious, and all eyes were on him after that. This could absolutely be a plausible murder theory.
Oh come on guys - if somebody rly murdered MJ, then this person (whoever it is) would do anything to avoid speculation, buzz and inconstances... A murder means no odd memorial, no body missing, no weird burial, no photoshopped photos (ambulance, autopsies...), no strange family's behaviour (because no! I do not believe that they would be a part of a murder plot), no Dave Dave and ridiculous death certificates, no trials, no toys... Nothing of that sort!!! And uhm...those things are all that this "death" is about... So please let's stay logical and though we know very well that the recent events weren't really optimistic, we shouldn't forget about everything we've learnt thoughout those past 4 years... Keep the faith and carry on
No, MJ is not credible. I mentioned that earlier: "I love to tour" *cameras cut* "I hate to tour". He's not in the slightest bit credible. He's an actor. When's he acting? When's he telling the truth? No one besides himself, god, and possibly his mother know. So no, the man is anything but credible.<br /><br />I'm sorry, you seem to be getting upset, Do. I'm just trying to point out anomalies.<br /><br />
Quote Bec:<br />QuotePerhaps, as an example, or cornerstone, someone should offer up an undisputed FACT that exists in this world. Just a simple, random FACT so we can look for something like that in the death hoax investigation. So, what is an example of a generally held n accepted FACT in life? <br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,24082.msg447021/topicseen.html#new<br />Fact: we're all born and we're all going to die one day. That is the most undisputed fact there is.
. <br />Yes, and that's about where it starts n ends. Now, do you think we are going to find any Facts in this investigation?<br /><br />Not likely. But we still have Logic. And we should employ that as much as possible.<br /><br />
Bec, what I meant with fact is that what Michael was telling, we should take in consideration, rather then dismiss it because it's not fitting the hoax. For the hoax, we only have many assumptions and, I admit, some strange statements from family members put together. If I wasn't intriged by that, I wouldn't be here all these years.
<br />I don't dismiss it, I actually think it fits in perfectly. It's like Moonwalker's plot.<br /><br />As far as the murder theory, there's a reason it's never received major support. Why in the world would any murderer bother with orchestrating a fake hoax for years after the fact in order to cover up their crime? It's an absurd theory.<br /><br />Not to mention the murder theory requires the entire Jackson Family to stand idly by and even participate in the murder's fake hoax, which really suggests that the Jacksons are all a bunch of psychopaths with no conscience and no sense of loss in MJ's death. This is also absurd. Sure maybe one or two psychopaths could be in an extended family, it could happen, but all of them? Every last one, down to the cousins and nephews? Even the 13-15 year old daughter? Come on. Now that to me is someone's imagination getting carried away with them.<br /><br />We've already introduced powerful evidence that MJ's estate has profited the most from MJ's death and that Sony is largely owned/controlled by MJ, so the murder theory really doesn't make any sense because we lack motive and a perpetrator.<br /><br />
The mere fact that CM was so clumsy handling the alleged MJ overdose of Propofol, being hung on the cell phone with his girlfriend during 20 minutes, not being capable to practice CPR on him, etc..... could be just a pretext to seem innocent but the real intention was to leave Michael die, maybe we could be wrong and CM is the fall guy but the criminal too handled by THEM.
<br />Who is THEM?<br /><br />Why would Murray want to kill MJ? He was supposed to make half a mil/month or whatever. That's why he wasn't charged with murder. There's no motive for Murray to want MJ dead.
No, MJ is not credible. I mentioned that earlier: "I love to tour" *cameras cut* "I hate to tour". He's not in the slightest bit credible. He's an actor. When's he acting? When's he telling the truth? No one besides himself, god, and possibly his mother know. So no, the man is anything but credible.
<br /><br />I'm not trying to be the smart ass here Bec but it was actually just the other way around: first he said he hated to tour, but was asked to be a bit more positive!<br /><br /> /><br /><br /><br />
I'm sorry, you seem to be getting upset, Do. I'm just trying to point out anomalies.
<br /><br />No I'm not upset, don't worry, I just want to consider all options, that's all. And I don't believe Michael was lying, certainly not on such important matters. <br /><br />
I don't dismiss it, I actually think it fits in perfectly. It's like Moonwalker's plot.<br /><br />As far as the murder theory, there's a reason it's never received major support. Why in the world would any murderer bother with orchestrating a fake hoax for years after the fact in order to cover up their crime? It's an absurd theory.<br /><br />Not to mention the murder theory requires the entire Jackson Family to stand idly by and even participate in the murder's fake hoax, which really suggests that the Jacksons are all a bunch of psychopaths with no conscience and no sense of loss in MJ's death. This is also absurd. Sure maybe one or two psychopaths could be in an extended family, it could happen, but all of them? Every last one, down to the cousins and nephews? Even the 13-15 year old daughter? Come on. Now that to me is someone's imagination getting carried away with them.<br /><br />We've already introduced powerful evidence that MJ's estate has profited the most from MJ's death and that Sony is largely owned/controlled by MJ, so the murder theory really doesn't make any sense because we lack motive and a perpetrator.<br />
<br /><br />Now, could it be possible that there isn't an intentional hoax after all? That we all created it in our own heads?<br /><br />
Why would Murray want to kill MJ? He was supposed to make half a mil/month or whatever. That's why he wasn't charged with murder. There's no motive for Murray to want MJ dead.
<br /><br />And what if he is going to be paid soooo much more by 'the clients'. I' m speculating ofcours.
<br />No, MJ is not credible. I mentioned that earlier: "I love to tour" *cameras cut* "I hate to tour". He's not in the slightest bit credible. He's an actor. When's he acting? When's he telling the truth? No one besides himself, god, and possibly his mother know. So no, the man is anything but credible.<br />
<br /><br />Too right Bec. Of course he's an actor. He loves controversy and disguises! Didn't someone say that MJ himself probably started the Elephant Man rumors and hyperbolic chamber rumors? Aside from all the chimo stuff I bet MJ secretly loves being talked about in the press--because as we all know, even bad press is good press if it holds the public's curiosity. And nothing piques curiosity like a mysterious death...
@Do, I don't think you're being a smartass. I have that department covered :icon_geek: <br /><br />It doesn't matter which way he said it, the point is he is not credible and that video is one piece of evidence that illustrates why I say he is not credible. At least not credible via media; video and taped statements/interviews. He's not the slightest bit credible via these mediums aka what we know of him. We know nothing about MJ's real life and who he really is, except that he's an actor and a showman. So no, he's not credible and his statements should all be taken with a grain of salt because we never know when he is play acting on camera/recording. You call it lying, I call it acting. He does it all the time. You can't trust a thing he says.<br /><br />I think you mean 'the bosses' instead of 'the clients' but regardless, who is THEY? Who had a motive to bump off MJ and who stood to profit from it? You can speculate but there's plausible theories and then there are implausible ones. The murder theory never got off the ground because it is incomplete and non-linear. The death hoax persists after 4 years because it is linear and complete. Did we make it all up? Maybe, but that doesn't mean we should make up any more.
The mere fact that CM was so clumsy handling the alleged MJ overdose of Propofol, being hung on the cell phone with his girlfriend during 20 minutes, not being capable to practice CPR on him, etc..... could be just a pretext to seem innocent but the real intention was to leave Michael die, maybe we could be wrong and CM is the fall guy but the criminal too handled by THEM.
<br />Who is THEM?<br /><br />THEM= ILLuminati, TPTB, or whatever you wanna call it.<br /> <br />
Why would Murray want to kill MJ? He was supposed to make half a mil/month or whatever. That's why he wasn't charged with murder. There's no motive for Murray to want MJ dead.<br />
<br /><br />In case it were a real murder then CM would have been hired tot kill Michael and remain innocent by acting in a clumsy way.<br /><br /><br />
Ok, why would TPTB want MJ dead?<br /><br />MJ had less then zero cultural influence in 2009. Outside of his own fan base, that is. So why would TPTB even care about him anymore? They successfully destroyed him in 2005, if you want to make that a linear theory, his threat had been completely neutralized by the 2003 allegations and further by the 2005 media condemnation, and I'm sure TPTB have other areas of interest more pressing to deal with then some washed up 80's singer with a ruined reputation. I'm not seeing how this theory makes any sense.
<br /><br />Many reasons. <br />He refused to be a puppet.<br />His message in lifestyle and lyrically was not condusive to TPTB agenda.<br />Then there was the blatant in their face routine at the end of Black or White and it seemed the gloves were off from that point.<br />MJ called them out publicly with TDRCAU. They weren't happy.<br />Also all the time Michael spent on the phone with Diana. Their phones would have been tapped. What exactly did she tell him that made him such a threat that they had to try and destroy any credibility through the media lynching and public brain washing that ensued . The false allegations were set up to discredit him and divert all his attention to fighting for his life and drain his financial resources while the world were force fed every humiliating morsel via the media, one of the tentacles of TPTB . <br />When Michael , who being a black man had the audacity to buy the Beatles catalogue, I think that marked the timing of the beginning of this war. <br /><br />edit....sorry. Posted before reading the rest of Bec's post......So I'll go with 'unfinished business'. Who knows what MJ might say when on stage with the O2 arena full of adoring fans hanging on his every word. He might just still have enough fight inside to want to even up the playing field again. Any one who sticks it to them through a vid like TDRCAU after the threat of the chandler saga is a fighter by nature and from the past they knew he wouldn't just lie down and take it. There is always the possibility while living that he may talk. I wonder if MJ made tapes of his convo's with Dianna? <br /><br />After the "05 trial T-Mez told Michael to get out of the states and he did as we know. We heard very little from him right up till the time he arrived back and then it picked up where it left off pre exile, gaining momentum till death hoax day which rocked the planet like some nuclear blast and when everybody had recovered from the shell shock of grief and remorse, we find ourselves here 4 years later still. Now that's some power for a washed up entertainer who had zero cultural influence. No....I say he was still a threat and they knew it.
@RK <br /><br /> But there are many clues that say 'This is it' Gigs were never meant to happen. The one instance is Dr Murray's licence for practice in UK. It takes approx. two months to get that licence and also one has to appear for some medical exam. I think this was paula-c's post in the Katherine v. AEG thread.
@Thriller. yes true...but THEY didn't know that at the time. He came back to the states to set it into motion. Moving the pieces into play for the check mate. <br />Anyhow enough about my tangent on TPTB and back to why Sony couldn't have initiated the hoax.
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