Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
Bravo Tenderoni!! I agree!
MJ's driver's license stated that he was 5'9".
Also, I remember there was MJ's myspace page that I belive was real where he stated he was 5'9"
Here is the page where in comments Joanna Thomae wrote some comments(She is Golden Flower)
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
You know, people shrink with age, espesilly if arthritis is in the spine, not to mention a thing called gravity, Fact!
yes but then it also says that he is 6.1' the report has 3 to 4 different heights
When he was booked in during the trial. His info says 5'11 and people are telling me that when they book you in jail that they check your weight and height? His arrest info says 5'11
Does anyone else remember reading that when they took Michael to the hospital that he was barefoot, wearing black tuxedo pants, and no shirt? The same pants he had worn at rehearsal that night? There seems to be 2 different stories once again.
Another thing I noticed is that the casket he was in when they took hair samples was "yellow with blue lining".
That isn't what we saw at the memorial or at Forrest Lawn!!
Any thoughts??
I think I will order me a different color straight jacket! I have had the same color on since June 25th and I need a change. <!-- s --><!-- s --> This whole thing is driving me NUTS!
Another thing I noticed is that the casket he was in when they took hair samples was "yellow with blue lining". That isn't what we saw at the memorial or at Forrest Lawn!!
Any thoughts??
We did not see anything at the Memorial. How could we see the lining???????
Lining is located inside of the casket!
Well yes we didn't see the lining but my point was the outside was not yellow, it was gold or polished bronze, metallic not "yellow".
I just see too many contradictions and things wrong with this report.
Keep the faith <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) -->)
I wouldn't lose faith...I think we would be surprised how easy it is to fake things especially with all that money available. Ed Winter was at the memorial - why would the LA coroner be invited to your memorial and Chief Bratton from the LAPD resigned in the summer. It's all a little too cozy and fishy to be anything but a hoax. Plus if his lungs were as bad as the autopsy said he wouldn't have been able to perform on This Is It and look at all the credible industry professionals who were involved with that production who said he was in great form and spirits. If my lungs were so bad I needed oxygen tanks back at my house to breathe I wouldn't be able to dance and sing and be all happy and excited.
"..It's all a little too cozy and fishy to be anything but a hoax. Plus if his lungs were as bad as the autopsy said he wouldn't have been able to perform on This Is It and look at all the credible industry professionals who were involved with that production who said he was in great form and spirits. If my lungs were so bad I needed oxygen tanks back at my house to breathe I wouldn't be able to dance and sing and be all happy and excited."
Yes point taken. The report is bogus, no question about it. So with that thought any discussion is just wasting time <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) -->
I have asthma so I know what I can do and what I can't do, and I know damn well I couldn't do what he did in TII!!
Also I wanted to say that many non-believers are questioning the report too. Eyes are opening wider in all places. That is a good thing!! It will make the big "Love Shockwave" a little easier to accept!!!
Come on Michael!!! We LOVE you!!
Also, I remember there was MJ's myspace page that I belive was real where he stated he was 5'9"
Here is the page where in comments Joanna Thomae wrote some comments(She is Golden Flower)
<!-- m -->http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonisdrheat<!-- m -->
Wow.. ok.. that is interesting. You really think that is MJs page...
His user name is Applehead and his URL is "Michael Jackson is Dr Heat"
that's right 2 bad...good post and while we're on the subject I heard that Karen Faye said on her facebook that the autopsy was rigged so it is starting to become a little more widespread
that's right 2 bad...good post and while we're on the subject I heard that Karen Faye said on her facebook that the autopsy was rigged so it is starting to become a little more widespread
What!!! <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> KF said on her FB that the autopsy was rigged???? What???? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> The woman who said that she applied MJ's makeup after he was died for 70 days!! Can you please post this info Mjkate. God bless you all! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Can someone tell me why they kept MJ in his coffin when they came to get hair samples?
When body is stored in cool room I tought they keep bodies in special things like that:
Also they didn't mention the "infamous" scar on his cheek that we have all talked about before!
Yes, if the coroner was looking for distinguished marks to identify, the burn scar on the scalp and the scar on his cheek would be the clear identifiers, but neither one is mentioned. That tells me that the person (if there really was one) was not Michael. Also - I thought Michael no longer had a valid driver's license? If he didn't drive and didn't have a valid license why would one conveniently show up for the coroner to use as a key identifier? Hmm...
Also they didn't mention the "infamous" scar on his cheek that we have all talked about before!
Yes, if the coroner was looking for distinguished marks to identify, the burn scar on the scalp and the scar on his cheek would be the clear identifiers, but neither one is mentioned. That tells me that the person (if there really was one) was not Michael. Also - I thought Michael no longer had a valid driver's license? If he didn't drive and didn't have a valid license why would one conveniently show up for the coroner to use as a key identifier? Hmm...
You're right. Two of his most important scars not listed? This is too much.
I know he was a terrible driver, so someone else drove him around. Why would he need a licence?
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Why would it be over for you? They ID'd his body using a driver's license! And, notice that the officer who collected hair samples says in the affidavit that everything was covered except the hands and the top of the head. So, how does anyone know WHO was in that casket?
There is still nothing specifically identifiable--it could have been ANYONE in that autopsy! Especially because the report says he was 5'9". MJ is taller than that!
Hoax not over for me....and I notice that there isn't much coverage about this today.
I completely agree...for years I always thought MJ was 5'11, but now they say 5'9...strange...
Yeah I thought MJ was like 5'10 or 5'11 also there was a contradiction in how much he weighed. I think in the recent autopsy report it says that he weighed 136lbs. but earlier they were saying that he weighed less than 120lbs. I really don't think MJ was close to 140lbs. He look smaller than that to me. Also the whole idea of him being identified by his license that sounds absurd since according to the paramedics he was unrecognizable. They thought it was an old man. It probably really was an old man that they did this autopsy on. From what I've heard so far. If he had all these medical issues that they're claiming in the autopsy seem like he should have died of natural causes and plus people saying the body was wrapped in a sheet with just the top of the head and hands showing. What's up with that?
I wouldn't lose faith...I think we would be surprised how easy it is to fake things especially with all that money available. Ed Winter was at the memorial - why would the LA coroner be invited to your memorial and Chief Bratton from the LAPD resigned in the summer. It's all a little too cozy and fishy to be anything but a hoax. Plus if his lungs were as bad as the autopsy said he wouldn't have been able to perform on This Is It and look at all the credible industry professionals who were involved with that production who said he was in great form and spirits. If my lungs were so bad I needed oxygen tanks back at my house to breathe I wouldn't be able to dance and sing and be all happy and excited.
I agree about the oxygen tank scenerio. If Mj needed oxygen so much he would not have been able to perform and sing like in the movie. The reason I can say that is because my mom was using oxygen tanks when she was released from the hospital and she could barely walk 10 paces without getting short of breath. So something don't add up. Bad lungs plus being on oxygen I don't see him making it through no concerts with those issues.
also anything i have ever read about lungs is that it's dangerous to give oxygen on a regular basis to someone with damaged lungs because it causes them further damage. Isn't it also funny that the only two employees that have come forward are the two chefs and they conveniently mentioned the oxygen tanks being carried out and around back. Were they encouraged to come forward on behalf of the hoaxers or the murderers and sepcifically make mention of the oxygen. Employees at mj's are always sworn to secrecy so i find it a bit odd.
I think Michael's arrest info states 5'11" because of his hair.
And for the record, you don't have to shrink with age if you keep yourself in good shape -nutrition for your bones and exercise not just for your bones but the muscles that hold your frame where it's supposed to be.
Another thing I noticed is that the casket he was in when they took hair samples was "yellow with blue lining".
That isn't what we saw at the memorial or at Forrest Lawn!!
Any thoughts??
There was a picture taken when they took hair samples? Where is that?
Also they didn't mention the "infamous" scar on his cheek that we have all talked about before!
Yes, if the coroner was looking for distinguished marks to identify, the burn scar on the scalp and the scar on his cheek would be the clear identifiers, but neither one is mentioned. That tells me that the person (if there really was one) was not Michael. Also - I thought Michael no longer had a valid driver's license? If he didn't drive and didn't have a valid license why would one conveniently show up for the coroner to use as a key identifier? Hmm...
You're right. Two of his most important scars not listed? This is too much.
I know he was a terrible driver, so someone else drove him around. Why would he need a licence?
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Maybe Michael renewed his driver's license. I don't think a press conference is necessary to announce that he renewed his driver's license. One of the report [don't recall which]said that his family identified him too. As for that little scar on his face from childood; it probably faded. It was a tiny thing. I've had many scars over the years that have faded to nothing. Some weren't serious and some were, but they are all gone. One was an accident with a chain saw when I was 10. I don't remember which leg it was on anymore and can't tell. It took years, but it's gone. Another bad one was about 6 years ago when I was seriously burned on a hot-rod [car] pipe. That was a big deep, nasty burn. Again, it took a while but there is no trace of it now. Those were two of the worst. After all these years I'm sure Michael's little face scar just faded.
To all those wondering about the oxygen tanks - I refer you to this video - where you can see this man stopped breathing. Propofol severely reduces the the bodies auto breathing reflex. The reason you need all the bells and whistles.
Dr. Murray might also have been using oxygen therapy on Michael. There are a number of reasons oxygen therapy is used. It could have been for current or chronic issues or for an overall health aid.
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MJ's driver's license stated that he was 5'9".
Also, I remember there was MJ's myspace page that I belive was real where he stated he was 5'9"
Here is the page where in comments Joanna Thomae wrote some comments(She is Golden Flower)
<!-- m -->http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonisdrheat<!-- m -->
According to <!-- m -->http://www.celebs101.com/celebrity-Mich ... 820--.html<!-- m --> he was 5'10 might have been a type-o
yes but then it also says that he is 6.1' the report has 3 to 4 different heights
When he was booked in during the trial. His info says 5'11 and people are telling me that when they book you in jail that they check your weight and height? His arrest info says 5'11
That isn't what we saw at the memorial or at Forrest Lawn!!
Any thoughts??
We did not see anything at the Memorial. How could we see the lining???????
Lining is located inside of the casket!
I just see too many contradictions and things wrong with this report.
Keep the faith <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) -->)
Yes point taken. The report is bogus, no question about it. So with that thought any discussion is just wasting time <!-- s:-) -->:-)<!-- s:-) -->
I have asthma so I know what I can do and what I can't do, and I know damn well I couldn't do what he did in TII!!
Also I wanted to say that many non-believers are questioning the report too. Eyes are opening wider in all places. That is a good thing!! It will make the big "Love Shockwave" a little easier to accept!!!
Come on Michael!!! We LOVE you!!
Wow.. ok.. that is interesting. You really think that is MJs page...
His user name is Applehead and his URL is "Michael Jackson is Dr Heat"
What!!! <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> KF said on her FB that the autopsy was rigged???? What???? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> The woman who said that she applied MJ's makeup after he was died for 70 days!! Can you please post this info Mjkate. God bless you all! <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
When body is stored in cool room I tought they keep bodies in special things like that:
Yes, if the coroner was looking for distinguished marks to identify, the burn scar on the scalp and the scar on his cheek would be the clear identifiers, but neither one is mentioned. That tells me that the person (if there really was one) was not Michael. Also - I thought Michael no longer had a valid driver's license? If he didn't drive and didn't have a valid license why would one conveniently show up for the coroner to use as a key identifier? Hmm...
You're right. Two of his most important scars not listed? This is too much.
I know he was a terrible driver, so someone else drove him around. Why would he need a licence?
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Yeah I thought MJ was like 5'10 or 5'11 also there was a contradiction in how much he weighed. I think in the recent autopsy report it says that he weighed 136lbs. but earlier they were saying that he weighed less than 120lbs. I really don't think MJ was close to 140lbs. He look smaller than that to me. Also the whole idea of him being identified by his license that sounds absurd since according to the paramedics he was unrecognizable. They thought it was an old man. It probably really was an old man that they did this autopsy on. From what I've heard so far. If he had all these medical issues that they're claiming in the autopsy seem like he should have died of natural causes and plus people saying the body was wrapped in a sheet with just the top of the head and hands showing. What's up with that?
When body is thin it always looks taller. Plus the boots Michael was using. That's why he looked taller.
I agree about the oxygen tank scenerio. If Mj needed oxygen so much he would not have been able to perform and sing like in the movie. The reason I can say that is because my mom was using oxygen tanks when she was released from the hospital and she could barely walk 10 paces without getting short of breath. So something don't add up. Bad lungs plus being on oxygen I don't see him making it through no concerts with those issues.
And for the record, you don't have to shrink with age if you keep yourself in good shape -nutrition for your bones and exercise not just for your bones but the muscles that hold your frame where it's supposed to be.
There was a picture taken when they took hair samples? Where is that?
Maybe Michael renewed his driver's license. I don't think a press conference is necessary to announce that he renewed his driver's license. One of the report [don't recall which]said that his family identified him too. As for that little scar on his face from childood; it probably faded. It was a tiny thing. I've had many scars over the years that have faded to nothing. Some weren't serious and some were, but they are all gone. One was an accident with a chain saw when I was 10. I don't remember which leg it was on anymore and can't tell. It took years, but it's gone. Another bad one was about 6 years ago when I was seriously burned on a hot-rod [car] pipe. That was a big deep, nasty burn. Again, it took a while but there is no trace of it now. Those were two of the worst. After all these years I'm sure Michael's little face scar just faded.
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Dr. Murray might also have been using oxygen therapy on Michael. There are a number of reasons oxygen therapy is used. It could have been for current or chronic issues or for an overall health aid.