The Wylie Factor

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  • foreverkingforeverking Posts: 206
    And leading up to that horrible December day, was the press tearing MJ apart piece by piece. They had him guility before any charges were filed and poor MJ, who was in the middle of a tour had to be re-thinking this whole fame thing, so maybe he contacted Wylie and made him an offer he could not refuse.
  • looking4truthlooking4truth Posts: 1,450
    Hmmm...this is interesting. What in the world is happening? <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> I feel like I'm in the twilight zone/Truman show/Moonwalker rolled up into one. This is all so dang on surreal. I said it in another thread. I got to say it again. I think things are starting to add up.
  • help me your doing the maths - whats the answer?
  • Here are the lyrics of the song Privacy
    What caught my attention is the 3rd verse

    Ain’t the pictures enough
    Why do you go through so much
    To get the stories you need
    So you can bury me
    You got the people confused
    You tell the stories you choose
    You try to get me to lose
    The man I really am

    You keep on stalking me
    Invading my privacy
    Won’t you just let me be
    Cos you cameras can’t control
    The minds of those who know
    That you’ll even sell your soul
    Just to get your story sold

    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
    Get away from me (yeah, yeah)

    Some of you still wonder why
    One of my friends had to die


    I always wondered which friend was he talking about cause you know that michael sings alot about what happened in his life.Could this friend be Wylie?

    To get the message across
    That yet you haven’t heard


    Was he planning this since at least the incincible album?

    My friend was chased and confused
    Like many others I knew
    But on that cold winter night

    Could this be refering to the time when police invaded Neverland?

    My pride was snatched away

    She get no second chance
    She ridiculed and harassed
    Please tell my why (oh no)
    Now there’s a lesson to learn
    Respects not given it’s earned
    Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
    Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

    Now there’s a lesson to learn
    Stories are twisted and turned
    Stop maliciously attacking my integrity

    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
    Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)

    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    I need my privacy (yeah, yeah)
    So paparazzi (yeah, yeah)
    Just get away from me (yeah, yeah)


    My privacy (yeah, yeah)
    My privacy (yeah, yeah)
    My privacy (yeah, yeah)
    My privacy (yeah, yeah)

    Do you guys think this song could be a link to Wylie? Could he be the friend that he is talking about in the 3rd verse?
    I always thought that this song means something because his voice is like shouting when he sings. you can tell he's hurt and pissed off.
    tell me what you think please

    Kisses and hugs!

    I always thought he was talking about Princess Diana in those verses. She did die hunted by paparazzi.. .
  • but the diana factor had other factors - lack of seat belts - she would have lived they say if she wore one, and the driver was going to fast
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    I think Michael was talking about Princess Di in that song about his friend passing away. And just a note to everyone PMIng me asking me to take photos of Wylie's crypt etc....I will not invade his privacy like that just as I would not go taking photos of any celebrity grave or crypt as that is not something that needs to be scattered all over the place. I do not have to prove myself in telling the truth about visiting Wylie as I know what I do or do not do and that is all that matters. I'm not saying this to be mean or disrespectful to anyone but if someone really wants to visit Wylie, if I found where he is then so could anyone because I am just a small town lady, certainly no detective lol
    Peace
    Nefari
  • I always wondered why the brothers wore the glove on different hands at the memorial/burial. I thought maybe it was because they were left or right handed or had another reason that we wouldn't be privy to but maybe it has something to do with 2 people and 2 seperate gloved hands. As you said Nefari....Michael wore it one one hand for that performance on the 25th and then when Wylie did he changed hands. For the record I have never heard the song privacy but those are some pretty startling lyrics. I'll have to think on that for awhile but can't help but think there is a major clue there. I just keep loving Michael more and more as I hear about everything he had to endure. I don't think there have been many people who have led the kind of life he did. I don't think he would mind us dissecting all of this. He left behind clues for us and I think he would be sad if no one picked up on them. He would understand that in an investigation nothing is off limits...that is the only way to truly figure it all out.

    A human being has only 2 hands, so if they didn't wear the glove on their right hand they would wear it on their left hand. I don't think the hand on wich they wore the glove has to mean anything.
    I think it just has to do with being righthanded or lefthanded.


    i believe that the glove is important jermaine and larry king made it a point to talk about the glove and let everyone know that he only used one glove. heres the link <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiN ... re=related<!-- m -->. starting at about .45 .
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    The Motown performance photos in question do seem to be the same after that very professional and much appreciated comparison above *finally something more concrete pertaining to those photos* BUT it does not take away from the way Wylie looked in the actual movie and the fact that still remains...the glove being worn on opposite hands during that performance by Michael and Wylie. It may not mean anything but it may mean something. And those photos surface a lot in various books etc....many times being reversed like that so what is up with that...why the need to keep reversing them.
    Peace
    Nefari
  • MJonmindMJonmind Posts: 7,290
    I was just thinking about how much trust MJ would have to have in a double. If the first allegation of sexual abuse and raid of Neverland happened in August 93 would he really have another person stand in his place a few months later in Dec., knowing that this person could slip up in some way and then he Michael would have to shoulder the blame and punishment for it. Especially since he knew human nature only too well, he was surrounded by smoothtalkers and backstabbers, and family members who sexually cheated many times. Many of the closest friends of MJ have had fall-outs, disagreements especially over payments. I know now I'm going in the direction of the doppleganger but I don't mean to. I think Michael only used doubles if it was obvious or for dangerous stunts, or brief stand-ins but not major performances, etc.
  • MashMikeMashMike Posts: 1,312
    MJonmind wrote:I was just thinking about how much trust MJ would have to have in a double. If the first allegation of sexual abuse and raid of Neverland happened in August 93 would he really have another person stand in his place a few months later in Dec., knowing that this person could slip up in some way and then he Michael would have to shoulder the blame and punishment for it. Especially since he knew human nature only too well, he was surrounded by smoothtalkers and backstabbers, and family members who sexually cheated many times. Many of the closest friends of MJ have had fall-outs, disagreements especially over payments. I know now I'm going in the direction of the doppleganger but I don't mean to. I think Michael only used doubles if it was obvious or for dangerous stunts, or brief stand-ins but not major performances, etc.


    Totally agree, it would have been too risky
  • simalvessimalves Posts: 730
    I always wondered why the brothers wore the glove on different hands at the memorial/burial. I thought maybe it was because they were left or right handed or had another reason that we wouldn't be privy to but maybe it has something to do with 2 people and 2 seperate gloved hands. As you said Nefari....Michael wore it one one hand for that performance on the 25th and then when Wylie did he changed hands. For the record I have never heard the song privacy but those are some pretty startling lyrics. I'll have to think on that for awhile but can't help but think there is a major clue there. I just keep loving Michael more and more as I hear about everything he had to endure. I don't think there have been many people who have led the kind of life he did. I don't think he would mind us dissecting all of this. He left behind clues for us and I think he would be sad if no one picked up on them. He would understand that in an investigation nothing is off limits...that is the only way to truly figure it all out.

    A human being has only 2 hands, so if they didn't wear the glove on their right hand they would wear it on their left hand. I don't think the hand on wich they wore the glove has to mean anything.
    I think it just has to do with being righthanded or lefthanded.


    i believe that the glove is important jermaine and larry king made it a point to talk about the glove and let everyone know that he only used one glove. heres the link <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiN ... re=related<!-- m -->. starting at about .45 .

    If you look closely at them bringing the coffin in - they wear the glove on the hand that is holding the coffin - so if it is 5 of them, it has to be 3+2 to balance it out.
  • i believe that the glove is important jermaine and larry king made it a point to talk about the glove and let everyone know that he only used one glove. heres the link <!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpY2XiN ... re=related<!-- m -->. starting at about .45 .[/quote]

    If you look closely at them bringing the coffin in - they wear the glove on the hand that is holding the coffin - so if it is 5 of them, it has to be 3+2 to balance it out.[/quote]


    yes but the majority wears the glove on the left hand as did michael. even elizabeth taylor wore her one glove on the left hand at the burial.
  • foreverkingforeverking Posts: 206
    I don't think he would use a double for performances, but he may have used the double for other public outings and appearances.

    i
  • ZenZen Posts: 341
    Unless double was trusted family friend or family member
    with similar interest at stake.
  • why would a young man want to shadow mike for the rest of his life, why would mike a young man then agree to this

    a cage is a cage - even if made of gold
  • ZenZen Posts: 341
    by the arabian nights » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:42 pm
    why would a young man want to shadow mike for the rest of his life, why would mike a young man then agree to this

    a cage is a cage - even if made of gold


    Yes, you are right, but then again, "what kid wouldn't give his
    right arm to fulfill his wildest childhood dreams". <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • yeap but forever

    what about his needs
  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    why would a young man want to shadow mike for the rest of his life, why would mike a young man then agree to this

    a cage is a cage - even if made of gold

    Money has bought more in the world than golden cages.
    As long as there is demand, supply will be provided.
  • but are you short changing this young man how do you know that his life could be sold
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    I want to know exactly when the video Remember the Time was made because Wylie was clearly in that video with Michael and they did not look alike at that time, not that Wylie could not have applied Make up, cream etc...and looked like Michael but I'm just saying skin color was wayyyy opposite at this time during this video.
    Peace
    Nefari
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    I want to know exactly when the video Remember the Time was made because Wylie was clearly in that video with Michael and they did not look alike at that time, not that Wylie could not have applied Make up, cream etc...and looked like Michael but I'm just saying skin color was wayyyy opposite at this time during this video.
    Peace
    Nefari


    I thought E'Cass was in that video.
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    I'm not saying Wylie was playing Michael in that video. Wylie was one of the Egyptian dancers in the video. E Cass may have been in it too but I dont know anything about it.
    Peace
    Nefari
  • JacksonologyJacksonology Posts: 1,548
    this is very interesting! and E'Cas did fill in for Michael in some scenes for Remember The Time due to a ankle injury Michael had. He also filled in for Michael in Who Is It, and Leave Me Alone (MJ on the Rocket is E'cas and other scenes) music video due to Scheduling conflicts.
  • Nefari, your thread is really interesting. Thank you very much.
    I don´t know what it all means, but it´s really curious.
  • nefarinefari Posts: 1,227
    Thanks but I think now that I have become a bit involved in reading the Rockwell thread on this forum that there's a stronger chance of something going on with that. I believe my little sweetie Wylie is passed away and we have a huge coincidence here with the death date of Wylie etc...there's just something with visiting his crypt. I just feel like he's definately there. But the Rockwell mystery.....that's getting more and more odd by the day.
    Peace
    Nefari
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