Michael himself says he was 9 in 1969...

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  • AndreaAndrea Posts: 3,787
    I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but does anyone have an idea when the birth date of Aug 29/58 was made public? If Michael had picked that date for himself to fit in with far in the future plans, I'm wondering when he chose that date and when everyone else found out.
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but does anyone have an idea when the birth date of Aug 29/58 was made public? If Michael had picked that date for himself to fit in with far in the future plans, I'm wondering when he chose that date and when everyone else found out.


    I have searched for it, and the earliest mention I found was his own book; Moonwalk. So 1987-1988. I have not seen anything before that with his B-day. I don't think anyone ever asked, because they knew he was a JW.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • Souza, you're right. Aquarius fits him perfectly actually.
    Aquarius
    The Water Carrier
    January 21 to February 19

    Traditional
    Aquarian Traits

    Friendly and humanitarian
    Honest and loyal
    Original and inventive
    Independent and intellectual

    On the dark side....

    Intractable and contrary
    Perverse and unpredictable
    Unemotional and detached

    Aquarius About Your Sign...

    Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They have a breadth of vision that brings diverse factors into a whole, and can see both sides of an argument without shilly-shallying as to which side to take. Consequently they are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves. They obey the Quaker exhortation to "Be open to truth, from whatever source it comes," and are prepared to learn from everyone.

    Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor.

    They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive, so that the Age of Aquarius, which is about to begin, is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. The Aquarian philosophical and spiritual bent may be dangerous in that it can drive the subjects into an ivory-tower existence where they meditate on abstractions that bear little relevance to life. On the other hand it can help the many who have scientific leanings to combine these with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and to embark on scientific research to fulfill their philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind. When some cause or work of this nature inspires them, they are capable of such devotion to it that they may drive themselves to the point of exhaustion and even risk injuring their health.

    Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. They appreciate opportunities for meditation or, if they are religious, of retreats. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. Normally they have good taste in drama, music and art, and are also gifted in the arts, especially drama.

    In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them.
    They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.

    Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists, especially astronomers and natural historians. They may excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and everything technical. On the arts and humanities side their progressive tendencies can be expressed in writing, especially poetry, and broadcasting, or as welfare workers and teachers. Some have gifts as entertainers and make good character actors (having an ability to mimic) and musicians. The more psychic among them possess healing gifts, especially in curing the mentally sick.

    Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions. Aquarians can be a threat to all they survey or a great boon for humanity in general. Circumstances - for example, continuous opposition to a cause they hold dear - may cause the atrophy of the openness of mind that is one of the Aquarian's most attractive traits. They may express a lack of integrity in broken promises, secretiveness or cunning. Simmering anger and resentment, rudeness or, worse, a tense, threatening silence which may suddenly burst out in eruptions of extreme temper, these are all part of the negative side of the Aquarian. This can also reveal itself in a sustained hatred for enemies that is capable of enlarging itself into a misanthropy toward the whole of mankind.
    Possible Health Concerns...
    As Aquarius is said to govern the legs from knees to ankles and the circulation of blood, its natives are susceptible to ailments particularly in the legs and ankles, such as cramps, and are also liable to spasmodic and nervous complaints, as well as wind, catarrh, diarrhea, dropsy, goiter and delirium tremens - so that the avoidance of alcohol is important for those Aquarians who have a taste for it.

    horoscopes

    * LIKES Fighting for Causes
    * Dreaming and Planning for the Future
    * Thinking of the Past
    * Good Companions
    * Having Fun

    * DISLIKES Full of Air Promises
    * Excessive Loneliness
    * The Ordinary
    * Imitations
    * Idealistic

    Source: <!-- m -->http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm<!-- m -->
  • AndreaAndrea Posts: 3,787
    I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but does anyone have an idea when the birth date of Aug 29/58 was made public? If Michael had picked that date for himself to fit in with far in the future plans, I'm wondering when he chose that date and when everyone else found out.


    I have searched for it, and the earliest mention I found was his own book; Moonwalk. So 1987-1988. I have not seen anything before that with his B-day. I don't think anyone ever asked, because they knew he was a JW.

    Interesting. You would think that at least one of the teen or music magazines in the 70's would have mentioned the J5 birthdays but maybe interviewers were told beforehand not to mention birthdays, Christmas or other celebrated days.
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    Souza, you're right. Aquarius fits him perfectly actually.
    Aquarius
    The Water Carrier
    January 21 to February 19

    Traditional
    Aquarian Traits

    Friendly and humanitarian
    Honest and loyal
    Original and inventive
    Independent and intellectual

    On the dark side....

    Intractable and contrary
    Perverse and unpredictable
    Unemotional and detached

    Aquarius About Your Sign...

    Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They have a breadth of vision that brings diverse factors into a whole, and can see both sides of an argument without shilly-shallying as to which side to take. Consequently they are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves. They obey the Quaker exhortation to "Be open to truth, from whatever source it comes," and are prepared to learn from everyone.

    Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor.

    They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive, so that the Age of Aquarius, which is about to begin, is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. The Aquarian philosophical and spiritual bent may be dangerous in that it can drive the subjects into an ivory-tower existence where they meditate on abstractions that bear little relevance to life. On the other hand it can help the many who have scientific leanings to combine these with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and to embark on scientific research to fulfill their philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind. When some cause or work of this nature inspires them, they are capable of such devotion to it that they may drive themselves to the point of exhaustion and even risk injuring their health.

    Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. They appreciate opportunities for meditation or, if they are religious, of retreats. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. Normally they have good taste in drama, music and art, and are also gifted in the arts, especially drama.

    In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them.
    They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.

    Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists, especially astronomers and natural historians. They may excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and everything technical. On the arts and humanities side their progressive tendencies can be expressed in writing, especially poetry, and broadcasting, or as welfare workers and teachers. Some have gifts as entertainers and make good character actors (having an ability to mimic) and musicians. The more psychic among them possess healing gifts, especially in curing the mentally sick.

    Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions. Aquarians can be a threat to all they survey or a great boon for humanity in general. Circumstances - for example, continuous opposition to a cause they hold dear - may cause the atrophy of the openness of mind that is one of the Aquarian's most attractive traits. They may express a lack of integrity in broken promises, secretiveness or cunning. Simmering anger and resentment, rudeness or, worse, a tense, threatening silence which may suddenly burst out in eruptions of extreme temper, these are all part of the negative side of the Aquarian. This can also reveal itself in a sustained hatred for enemies that is capable of enlarging itself into a misanthropy toward the whole of mankind.
    Possible Health Concerns...
    As Aquarius is said to govern the legs from knees to ankles and the circulation of blood, its natives are susceptible to ailments particularly in the legs and ankles, such as cramps, and are also liable to spasmodic and nervous complaints, as well as wind, catarrh, diarrhea, dropsy, goiter and delirium tremens - so that the avoidance of alcohol is important for those Aquarians who have a taste for it.

    horoscopes

    * LIKES Fighting for Causes
    * Dreaming and Planning for the Future
    * Thinking of the Past
    * Good Companions
    * Having Fun

    * DISLIKES Full of Air Promises
    * Excessive Loneliness
    * The Ordinary
    * Imitations
    * Idealistic

    Source: <!-- m -->http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm<!-- m -->

    I know, my best friend who I've known for 25 years is Aquarius so I am very familiar with the sign. She fits the profile perfectly and I see many similarities with Mike.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


  • No, 8/29/1899. That is why he might have changed his known B-day to 8/29, because that guy hoaxed his death as well.

    Oh yeah, I meant to ask about that; I didn't know that dude from Gilda's b-day is January 28, 1960? For realz? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->

    No the guy in the films bday is August 29th, which makes a lot of sense if Mike were to choose his own birthday to tell everyone...because the guy in the film fakes his death <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> And having a birthday of August 29th, 1958 puts the pepsi accident EXACTLY in the middle of his life. Sounds planned to me...

    No kiddin'? That is one piece of info I must have missed in regards to the GILDA hoax theories xD <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: -->
  • His numerology also matches perfectly with this date of 1/28/1960.
    This reading is based on —
    Birth Name: Michael Joe Jackson
    Birth Date: 1/28/1960 (January 28, 1960)
    Your Inner or Soul's Urge: This is spiritual and emotional expression more than physical. It is your heart-felt desires, your incentive, how you look at life. Here are your areas of personal satisfaction.

    Number: 6

    You desire responsibility, steadfast love, a harmonious home, domesticity, and maintaining long-standing family traditions. The perfect environment for you has ease, comfort, beauty, music, and harmony.

    You empathize with those who, through no fault of their own, are suffering. You are sympathetic to the needs of humanity. If you knew how, you would correct all injustice as a cosmic parent or guardian would. You have a good sense of loyalty and are a natural counselor.

    You are artistic, kind, understanding, inclined toward conventionality but broad-minded. When your emotions aren't too involved, you are a fine judge of character.

    Your life can be richer if you cultivate firmness and assertiveness to better balance your emotions and sense of justice, and realize that others have their own valid points of view.


    Your Personality: This is physical expression more than spiritual or emotional; your outer self, the way you express when meeting others. It may or may not be the real you.

    Number: 4

    Others tend to see you as loyal, dedicated, dignified, and honest with a desire to perform the work at hand instead of taking a lot of time for fun and pleasure. You seem to be thrifty, prudent, and orderly.

    If you focus overly much on work, others tend to see you as someone in a rut and unable to change habits.

    Your self-image can suffer if you do not receive compensation or praise, at least recognition, for your labors.

    The practical aspects of your personality can be enhanced by wearing tailor-made clothing of straight lines and good material, neat rather than showy.


    Your Quiescent Self: Stripping away all outside influences, aspirations, ambitions, "shoulds", and "shouldn'ts" -- this is you when you are alone; just you and your dreams..

    Number: 4

    Family, society, country, and civilization are better off because of your tireless efforts and meticulous attention to detail. You are the pillar of society. A staunch patriot. Your rewards are accomplishment, duty, Love, and appreciation.

    Your thoughts and pleasure are the creation of firm foundations upon which family and society as a whole can prosper.
    Click here to chat with someone about your number 4 Quiescent Self.


    Your Destiny or Ultimate Goal: This is your desired lifetime accomplishment. It is a key to a useful and happy life, and to feeling fulfillment during your latter days.
    Number: 1

    Your destiny is leadership. You come to this position through your own actions. Not by aggressive or dominant behavior, but by relying on your own inner strength, self-reliance, and determination. Your originality and your initiative can put you in a place of authority or leadership during your lifetime.

    You have a healthy respect for individuality. You are innovative, and are often asked to lead, direct, and manage the affairs of people and organizations. When you have specifically defined and visualized goals, your powers of concentration and focus allow you to achieve them quickly and fully. You are happiest in the role of pioneer, explorer, creator, inventor, leader, director, chief executive, owner of any business, or editor of any periodical publication.

    You wish to be left unhampered to carry out your own ideas.


    Your Life's Path: Here are clues to what fate has in store for you. It indicates the type of encounters, events, and opportunities you are likely to experience along your physical life path.

    Number: 9

    Your path is philanthropy, loving service to the peoples of Earth. You are a humanitarian with an innate sense of idealism, tolerance, and compassion, giving up personal ambitions and possessions if the general good demands it. You have an impressive personality and power to influence others. At times you are somewhat naive in your anticipation of the joy you believe is coming.

    Your spiritual sensitivity and holistic feelings for humanity encompass a wide range -- compassion, generosity, sympathy, tolerance. You have a vivid imagination.

    You easily and joyfully serve your fellow man, tending to place others before yourself and give your Love, sympathy, help, and understanding without stint. You would like to see perfection in marriage, self, and the whole world.

    Your opportunities are among emotional, artistic, and inspirational people, in fields that serve broad segments of mankind.


    This Year's Path (2010): Here is what you are likely to encounter this year -- your feelings, your predominant perspective, and the type of situations, circumstances, and opportunities you tend to attract during the calendar year.

    Number: 5

    This is a year of change for you, a year to get out of the rut. Your opportunities are found outside ordinary routine. New opportunities and new conditions are manifesting (some may appear unexpectedly) -- new relationships, new ideas, new contacts, new enterprises, new plans -- more freedom, more variety, more travel -- broader fields of interest and activity.

    It is a year of new experiences -- change, growth, fun, freedom. You feel an inner push to go do something, anything, so long as it's a new experience. You notice more opportunities to travel. It is time to take advantage of the prevailing atmosphere of change and variety to learn something new. The year adds new life and color to your undertakings.

    The changes can be thrilling and inspiring. Now is the time to take advantage of the enhanced sense of freedom you feel and create new outlets for your genius. It is also a time to let older people and children inspire you.

    If you have a business, you may wish to advertise more than usual, possibly presenting your business with a new, even unique, angle.


    Next Year's Path. (2011)

    Number: 6

    This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions.

    Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important. It is a year for unselfish service.

    Take care of your health because without it you cannot help others. Find time for rest and relaxation. This is a year to be thorough and conscientious about everything that you do.

    It is a year of fine and friendly influence for marriage, tranquil home conditions, and traditional family activities. You may feel a strong desire to get settled.
    Click here to chat with someone about your number 6 Next Year's Path.


    Last Year's Path. (2009)

    Number: 22

    This is a practical year; no long leisurely periods for dreaming, personal indulgence, or careless living. It is a time to build the firm and secure foundation upon which your future depends, using practical values and steady application. It is also the time to work out the details of that project you've been thinking about.

    The year opens the door to a greater understanding of your soul purpose. It presents opportunities to serve on a larger scale.

    This is the year to find where you stand in life, and to be practical about it -- to pay attention to details; no time for careless living. This is your chance, with hard work and specific orientation, to do something big for yourself and for the good of the world. It is the year to put your dreams to practical use.

    This year demands a lot of work, not only to improve the present but also to build practical foundations for the future. Your diligence brings commensurate rewards. With good sense, you can meet all requirements and experience satisfactory gain.

    Your gatherings, meetings, parties, and trips are mostly related to work or business. Read the fine print of all transactions.

    Source: <!-- m -->http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi<!-- m -->
    As part of the practical focus of this year, attend to health matters.
  • Souza, you're right. Aquarius fits him perfectly actually.
    Aquarius
    The Water Carrier
    January 21 to February 19

    Traditional
    Aquarian Traits

    Friendly and humanitarian
    Honest and loyal
    Original and inventive
    Independent and intellectual

    On the dark side....

    Intractable and contrary
    Perverse and unpredictable
    Unemotional and detached

    Aquarius About Your Sign...

    Aquarians basically possess strong and attractive personalities. They fall into two principle types: one shy, sensitive, gentle and patient; the other exuberant, lively and exhibitionist, sometimes hiding the considerable depths of their character under a cloak of frivolity. Both types are strong willed and forceful in their different ways and have strong convictions, though as they seek truth above all things, they are usually honest enough to change their opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades them that they have been mistaken. They have a breadth of vision that brings diverse factors into a whole, and can see both sides of an argument without shilly-shallying as to which side to take. Consequently they are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. This is because they can see the validity of the argument, even if they do not accept it themselves. They obey the Quaker exhortation to "Be open to truth, from whatever source it comes," and are prepared to learn from everyone.

    Both types are humane, frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. They are quick, active and persevering without being self-assertive, and express themselves with reason, moderation and sometimes, a dry humor.

    They are nearly always intelligent, concise, clear and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive, so that the Age of Aquarius, which is about to begin, is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. The Aquarian philosophical and spiritual bent may be dangerous in that it can drive the subjects into an ivory-tower existence where they meditate on abstractions that bear little relevance to life. On the other hand it can help the many who have scientific leanings to combine these with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and to embark on scientific research to fulfill their philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind. When some cause or work of this nature inspires them, they are capable of such devotion to it that they may drive themselves to the point of exhaustion and even risk injuring their health.

    Both types need to retire from the world at times and to become temporary loners. They appreciate opportunities for meditation or, if they are religious, of retreats. Even in company they are fiercely independent, refusing to follow the crowd. They dislike interference by others, however helpfully intended, and will accept it only on their own terms. Normally they have good taste in drama, music and art, and are also gifted in the arts, especially drama.

    In spite of the often intensely magnetic, forthcoming and open personality of the more extrovert kind of Aquarian, and of their desire to help humanity, neither type makes friends easily. They sometimes appear to condescend to others and take too little trouble to cultivate the acquaintance of people who do not particularly appeal to them.
    They do not give themselves easily - perhaps their judgment of human nature is too good for that - and are sometimes accounted cold. But once they decide that someone is worthy of their friendship or love, they can exert an almost hypnotic and irresistible mental attraction on them and will themselves become tenacious friends or lovers, ready to sacrifice everything for their partners and be faithful to them for life. However, they are sometimes disappointed emotionally because their own high personal ideals cause them to demand more of others than is reasonable. And if they are deceived their anger is terrible. If disillusioned, they do not forgive.

    Aquarians work best in group projects, provided that they are recognized as having a leading part in them. They have a feeling of unity with nature and a desire for knowledge and truth that makes them admirable scientists, especially astronomers and natural historians. They may excel in photography, radiography, electronics - anything connected with the electrical and radio industries - aviation and everything technical. On the arts and humanities side their progressive tendencies can be expressed in writing, especially poetry, and broadcasting, or as welfare workers and teachers. Some have gifts as entertainers and make good character actors (having an ability to mimic) and musicians. The more psychic among them possess healing gifts, especially in curing the mentally sick.

    Among the faults to which they are liable are fanatical eccentricity, wayward egotism, excessive detachment and an inclination to retreat from life and society, and a tendency to be extremely dogmatic in their opinions. Aquarians can be a threat to all they survey or a great boon for humanity in general. Circumstances - for example, continuous opposition to a cause they hold dear - may cause the atrophy of the openness of mind that is one of the Aquarian's most attractive traits. They may express a lack of integrity in broken promises, secretiveness or cunning. Simmering anger and resentment, rudeness or, worse, a tense, threatening silence which may suddenly burst out in eruptions of extreme temper, these are all part of the negative side of the Aquarian. This can also reveal itself in a sustained hatred for enemies that is capable of enlarging itself into a misanthropy toward the whole of mankind.
    Possible Health Concerns...
    As Aquarius is said to govern the legs from knees to ankles and the circulation of blood, its natives are susceptible to ailments particularly in the legs and ankles, such as cramps, and are also liable to spasmodic and nervous complaints, as well as wind, catarrh, diarrhea, dropsy, goiter and delirium tremens - so that the avoidance of alcohol is important for those Aquarians who have a taste for it.

    horoscopes

    * LIKES Fighting for Causes
    * Dreaming and Planning for the Future
    * Thinking of the Past
    * Good Companions
    * Having Fun

    * DISLIKES Full of Air Promises
    * Excessive Loneliness
    * The Ordinary
    * Imitations
    * Idealistic

    Source: <!-- m -->http://www.astrology-online.com/aquarius.htm<!-- m -->

    I know, my best friend who I've known for 25 years is Aquarius so I am very familiar with the sign. She fits the profile perfectly and I see many similarities with Mike.

    Ah I see. You seem to know a lot about Aquarians based on your friend. Some signs I seem to know better. I need to read up on Aquarius more. XD
    BTW, I did plug in the Aquarius b-day with 7:33 pm and got VIRGO ascendant xD
    And interesting thing is that if this is MJ's real b-day and the birth time still 7:33 PM then the ascendant would be his mask to the world. Rising signs/ascendants are what a person shows to the public. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    His numerology also matches perfectly with this date of 1/28/1960.
    This reading is based on —
    Birth Name: Michael Joe Jackson
    Birth Date: 1/28/1960 (January 28, 1960)
    Your Inner or Soul's Urge: This is spiritual and emotional expression more than physical. It is your heart-felt desires, your incentive, how you look at life. Here are your areas of personal satisfaction.

    Number: 6

    You desire responsibility, steadfast love, a harmonious home, domesticity, and maintaining long-standing family traditions. The perfect environment for you has ease, comfort, beauty, music, and harmony.

    You empathize with those who, through no fault of their own, are suffering. You are sympathetic to the needs of humanity. If you knew how, you would correct all injustice as a cosmic parent or guardian would. You have a good sense of loyalty and are a natural counselor.

    You are artistic, kind, understanding, inclined toward conventionality but broad-minded. When your emotions aren't too involved, you are a fine judge of character.

    Your life can be richer if you cultivate firmness and assertiveness to better balance your emotions and sense of justice, and realize that others have their own valid points of view.


    Your Personality: This is physical expression more than spiritual or emotional; your outer self, the way you express when meeting others. It may or may not be the real you.

    Number: 4

    Others tend to see you as loyal, dedicated, dignified, and honest with a desire to perform the work at hand instead of taking a lot of time for fun and pleasure. You seem to be thrifty, prudent, and orderly.

    If you focus overly much on work, others tend to see you as someone in a rut and unable to change habits.

    Your self-image can suffer if you do not receive compensation or praise, at least recognition, for your labors.

    The practical aspects of your personality can be enhanced by wearing tailor-made clothing of straight lines and good material, neat rather than showy.


    Your Quiescent Self: Stripping away all outside influences, aspirations, ambitions, "shoulds", and "shouldn'ts" -- this is you when you are alone; just you and your dreams..

    Number: 4

    Family, society, country, and civilization are better off because of your tireless efforts and meticulous attention to detail. You are the pillar of society. A staunch patriot. Your rewards are accomplishment, duty, Love, and appreciation.

    Your thoughts and pleasure are the creation of firm foundations upon which family and society as a whole can prosper.
    Click here to chat with someone about your number 4 Quiescent Self.


    Your Destiny or Ultimate Goal: This is your desired lifetime accomplishment. It is a key to a useful and happy life, and to feeling fulfillment during your latter days.
    Number: 1

    Your destiny is leadership. You come to this position through your own actions. Not by aggressive or dominant behavior, but by relying on your own inner strength, self-reliance, and determination. Your originality and your initiative can put you in a place of authority or leadership during your lifetime.

    You have a healthy respect for individuality. You are innovative, and are often asked to lead, direct, and manage the affairs of people and organizations. When you have specifically defined and visualized goals, your powers of concentration and focus allow you to achieve them quickly and fully. You are happiest in the role of pioneer, explorer, creator, inventor, leader, director, chief executive, owner of any business, or editor of any periodical publication.

    You wish to be left unhampered to carry out your own ideas.


    Your Life's Path: Here are clues to what fate has in store for you. It indicates the type of encounters, events, and opportunities you are likely to experience along your physical life path.

    Number: 9

    Your path is philanthropy, loving service to the peoples of Earth. You are a humanitarian with an innate sense of idealism, tolerance, and compassion, giving up personal ambitions and possessions if the general good demands it. You have an impressive personality and power to influence others. At times you are somewhat naive in your anticipation of the joy you believe is coming.

    Your spiritual sensitivity and holistic feelings for humanity encompass a wide range -- compassion, generosity, sympathy, tolerance. You have a vivid imagination.

    You easily and joyfully serve your fellow man, tending to place others before yourself and give your Love, sympathy, help, and understanding without stint. You would like to see perfection in marriage, self, and the whole world.

    Your opportunities are among emotional, artistic, and inspirational people, in fields that serve broad segments of mankind.


    This Year's Path (2010): Here is what you are likely to encounter this year -- your feelings, your predominant perspective, and the type of situations, circumstances, and opportunities you tend to attract during the calendar year.

    Number: 5

    This is a year of change for you, a year to get out of the rut. Your opportunities are found outside ordinary routine. New opportunities and new conditions are manifesting (some may appear unexpectedly) -- new relationships, new ideas, new contacts, new enterprises, new plans -- more freedom, more variety, more travel -- broader fields of interest and activity.

    It is a year of new experiences -- change, growth, fun, freedom. You feel an inner push to go do something, anything, so long as it's a new experience. You notice more opportunities to travel. It is time to take advantage of the prevailing atmosphere of change and variety to learn something new. The year adds new life and color to your undertakings.

    The changes can be thrilling and inspiring. Now is the time to take advantage of the enhanced sense of freedom you feel and create new outlets for your genius. It is also a time to let older people and children inspire you.

    If you have a business, you may wish to advertise more than usual, possibly presenting your business with a new, even unique, angle.


    Next Year's Path. (2011)

    Number: 6

    This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions.

    Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important. It is a year for unselfish service.

    Take care of your health because without it you cannot help others. Find time for rest and relaxation. This is a year to be thorough and conscientious about everything that you do.

    It is a year of fine and friendly influence for marriage, tranquil home conditions, and traditional family activities. You may feel a strong desire to get settled.
    Click here to chat with someone about your number 6 Next Year's Path.


    Last Year's Path. (2009)

    Number: 22

    This is a practical year; no long leisurely periods for dreaming, personal indulgence, or careless living. It is a time to build the firm and secure foundation upon which your future depends, using practical values and steady application. It is also the time to work out the details of that project you've been thinking about.

    The year opens the door to a greater understanding of your soul purpose. It presents opportunities to serve on a larger scale.

    This is the year to find where you stand in life, and to be practical about it -- to pay attention to details; no time for careless living. This is your chance, with hard work and specific orientation, to do something big for yourself and for the good of the world. It is the year to put your dreams to practical use.

    This year demands a lot of work, not only to improve the present but also to build practical foundations for the future. Your diligence brings commensurate rewards. With good sense, you can meet all requirements and experience satisfactory gain.

    Your gatherings, meetings, parties, and trips are mostly related to work or business. Read the fine print of all transactions.

    Source: <!-- m -->http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi<!-- m -->
    As part of the practical focus of this year, attend to health matters.

    Oh, what a coinkidoink!! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    And also, the birth date 1/28/1960 makes 9, 8/29/1958 makes 6...

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    BTW, I did plug in the Aquarius b-day with 7:33 pm and got VIRGO ascendant xD
    And interesting thing is that if this is MJ's real b-day and the birth time still 7:33 PM then the ascendant would be his mask to the world. Rising signs/ascendants are what a person shows to the public. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->


    Now that I didn't know! Another coincidence... <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • His numerology also matches perfectly with this date of 1/28/1960.
    This reading is based on —
    Birth Name: Michael Joe Jackson
    Birth Date: 1/28/1960 (January 28, 1960)
    Your Inner or Soul's Urge: This is spiritual and emotional expression more than physical. It is your heart-felt desires, your incentive, how you look at life. Here are your areas of personal satisfaction.

    Number: 6

    You desire responsibility, steadfast love, a harmonious home, domesticity, and maintaining long-standing family traditions. The perfect environment for you has ease, comfort, beauty, music, and harmony.

    You empathize with those who, through no fault of their own, are suffering. You are sympathetic to the needs of humanity. If you knew how, you would correct all injustice as a cosmic parent or guardian would. You have a good sense of loyalty and are a natural counselor.

    You are artistic, kind, understanding, inclined toward conventionality but broad-minded. When your emotions aren't too involved, you are a fine judge of character.

    Your life can be richer if you cultivate firmness and assertiveness to better balance your emotions and sense of justice, and realize that others have their own valid points of view.


    Your Personality: This is physical expression more than spiritual or emotional; your outer self, the way you express when meeting others. It may or may not be the real you.

    Number: 4

    Others tend to see you as loyal, dedicated, dignified, and honest with a desire to perform the work at hand instead of taking a lot of time for fun and pleasure. You seem to be thrifty, prudent, and orderly.

    If you focus overly much on work, others tend to see you as someone in a rut and unable to change habits.

    Your self-image can suffer if you do not receive compensation or praise, at least recognition, for your labors.

    The practical aspects of your personality can be enhanced by wearing tailor-made clothing of straight lines and good material, neat rather than showy.


    Your Quiescent Self: Stripping away all outside influences, aspirations, ambitions, "shoulds", and "shouldn'ts" -- this is you when you are alone; just you and your dreams..

    Number: 4

    Family, society, country, and civilization are better off because of your tireless efforts and meticulous attention to detail. You are the pillar of society. A staunch patriot. Your rewards are accomplishment, duty, Love, and appreciation.

    Your thoughts and pleasure are the creation of firm foundations upon which family and society as a whole can prosper.
    Click here to chat with someone about your number 4 Quiescent Self.


    Your Destiny or Ultimate Goal: This is your desired lifetime accomplishment. It is a key to a useful and happy life, and to feeling fulfillment during your latter days.
    Number: 1

    Your destiny is leadership. You come to this position through your own actions. Not by aggressive or dominant behavior, but by relying on your own inner strength, self-reliance, and determination. Your originality and your initiative can put you in a place of authority or leadership during your lifetime.

    You have a healthy respect for individuality. You are innovative, and are often asked to lead, direct, and manage the affairs of people and organizations. When you have specifically defined and visualized goals, your powers of concentration and focus allow you to achieve them quickly and fully. You are happiest in the role of pioneer, explorer, creator, inventor, leader, director, chief executive, owner of any business, or editor of any periodical publication.

    You wish to be left unhampered to carry out your own ideas.


    Your Life's Path: Here are clues to what fate has in store for you. It indicates the type of encounters, events, and opportunities you are likely to experience along your physical life path.

    Number: 9

    Your path is philanthropy, loving service to the peoples of Earth. You are a humanitarian with an innate sense of idealism, tolerance, and compassion, giving up personal ambitions and possessions if the general good demands it. You have an impressive personality and power to influence others. At times you are somewhat naive in your anticipation of the joy you believe is coming.

    Your spiritual sensitivity and holistic feelings for humanity encompass a wide range -- compassion, generosity, sympathy, tolerance. You have a vivid imagination.

    You easily and joyfully serve your fellow man, tending to place others before yourself and give your Love, sympathy, help, and understanding without stint. You would like to see perfection in marriage, self, and the whole world.

    Your opportunities are among emotional, artistic, and inspirational people, in fields that serve broad segments of mankind.


    This Year's Path (2010): Here is what you are likely to encounter this year -- your feelings, your predominant perspective, and the type of situations, circumstances, and opportunities you tend to attract during the calendar year.

    Number: 5

    This is a year of change for you, a year to get out of the rut. Your opportunities are found outside ordinary routine. New opportunities and new conditions are manifesting (some may appear unexpectedly) -- new relationships, new ideas, new contacts, new enterprises, new plans -- more freedom, more variety, more travel -- broader fields of interest and activity.

    It is a year of new experiences -- change, growth, fun, freedom. You feel an inner push to go do something, anything, so long as it's a new experience. You notice more opportunities to travel. It is time to take advantage of the prevailing atmosphere of change and variety to learn something new. The year adds new life and color to your undertakings.

    The changes can be thrilling and inspiring. Now is the time to take advantage of the enhanced sense of freedom you feel and create new outlets for your genius. It is also a time to let older people and children inspire you.

    If you have a business, you may wish to advertise more than usual, possibly presenting your business with a new, even unique, angle.


    Next Year's Path. (2011)

    Number: 6

    This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions.

    Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important. It is a year for unselfish service.

    Take care of your health because without it you cannot help others. Find time for rest and relaxation. This is a year to be thorough and conscientious about everything that you do.

    It is a year of fine and friendly influence for marriage, tranquil home conditions, and traditional family activities. You may feel a strong desire to get settled.
    Click here to chat with someone about your number 6 Next Year's Path.


    Last Year's Path. (2009)

    Number: 22

    This is a practical year; no long leisurely periods for dreaming, personal indulgence, or careless living. It is a time to build the firm and secure foundation upon which your future depends, using practical values and steady application. It is also the time to work out the details of that project you've been thinking about.

    The year opens the door to a greater understanding of your soul purpose. It presents opportunities to serve on a larger scale.

    This is the year to find where you stand in life, and to be practical about it -- to pay attention to details; no time for careless living. This is your chance, with hard work and specific orientation, to do something big for yourself and for the good of the world. It is the year to put your dreams to practical use.

    This year demands a lot of work, not only to improve the present but also to build practical foundations for the future. Your diligence brings commensurate rewards. With good sense, you can meet all requirements and experience satisfactory gain.

    Your gatherings, meetings, parties, and trips are mostly related to work or business. Read the fine print of all transactions.

    Source: <!-- m -->http://affinity-numerology.com/cgi-bin/numerology.cgi<!-- m -->
    As part of the practical focus of this year, attend to health matters.

    Oh, what a coinkidoink!! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    And also, the birth date 1/28/1960 makes 9, 8/29/1958 makes 6...

    And 9s are humanitarians. They have to learn how to let their bad childhoods go (if they had one. 9s are leaders. I added this birthday up the other day. xD
  • BTW, I did plug in the Aquarius b-day with 7:33 pm and got VIRGO ascendant xD
    And interesting thing is that if this is MJ's real b-day and the birth time still 7:33 PM then the ascendant would be his mask to the world. Rising signs/ascendants are what a person shows to the public. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->


    Now that I didn't know! Another coincidence... <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->

    Yup. Virgo Ascendant's like Virgo Sun xD

    Aquarius ascendant Virgo

    Ascendant in Virgo

    People with Virgo rising are often a little understated in their personal mannerisms and appearance, although a lot depends on the position of Mercury (the ruling planet of Virgo) in the chart. Generally, there is an intelligent and reserved aura about Virgo rising individuals that is unmistakable. These are actually somewhat shy people who need time to analyze things around them before they warm up to both situations and people. This quality can be received exactly as that, or it can be received as a rather stand-offish, cool, and even critical manner (depending on the audience). One of the biggest personality traits of this position is body-awareness. People with Virgo ascendants are sensitive to any discomfort or other signals their body gives them. Many are especially interested and concerned with physical health, and some are attracted to mind-body awareness exercises such as yoga. Virgo rising people are often rather particular about food. Although some have good appetites, there can be an unmistakable pickiness about what they put in and on their bodies. Virgo ascendant natives have a tendency to worry a lot, especially when confronted with new situations. They notice the tiniest details that others overlook.

    Many people with this position have a tendency to attract (or be attracted to) people who need help. Their relationships may be confusing as a result. Despite the Virgo rising tendency to appear rather collected and professional, relationships can sometimes be messy simply because these natives don't always see their partners and partnerships clearly. There's a quiet charm to many Virgo rising people. Once they have the chance to warm up to new people and situations, you'll find they have a lot to offer. They'll help you out of a jam, go out on a limb for you, and surprise you with a natural modesty under a somewhat critical and standoffish manner.
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    LOL, I just got this tweet:

    @ZodiacFacts
    #ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
    5 minutes ago via web

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • LOL, I just got this tweet:

    @ZodiacFacts
    #ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
    5 minutes ago via web

    Are you an Aquarius too? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    LOL, I just got this tweet:

    @ZodiacFacts
    #ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
    5 minutes ago via web

    Are you an Aquarius too? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->


    Nope, I'm a Leo with ascendant Sagittarius and my birth date reduces to 11, or 2. So what's my profile?

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • AndreaAndrea Posts: 3,787
    This interview is from 1972 and the interviewer says Michael is 12...And he looks 12 to me, not 14. I makes a lot of sense that when he was young, he was actually the age he said he was. He was born naturally talented so it was inherent from a very young age. People later on accepted that Michael was born in 1958 because it made "sense" to them that he wasn't really as young as he claimed (because who is that talented at such a young age? they'd think)...when in actuality he was that young!

    [youtube:2e9c3rv3]
  • LOL, I just got this tweet:

    @ZodiacFacts
    #ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
    5 minutes ago via web

    Are you an Aquarius too? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->[/quote]


    Nope, I'm a Leo with ascendant Sagittarius and my birth date reduces to 11, or 2. So what's my profile?[/quote]
    Leo with Ascendant Sag-

    LEO
    (The Sun is in Leo from approximately July 21 to August 20, depending on the year).

    There's an unmistakably regal air to Solar Leos. These are dignified—even noble—folk. Leos have a reputation for being conceited, but think again. Leos do feel important, but this generally takes the form of wanting to change the world in some way—to make the world a better place. They are generally motivated by affection for people, and often have big dreams and plans to make people happy.

    Generally, Leos are hard-working. After all, they are attracted to the good things in life, and they know they have to work to get them. It is sometimes difficult to imagine Leos as go-getters if you happen to catch them in one of their languid moods. These people can sleep in, laze around, and luxuriate for long periods of time. However, when they do get to work, they do it with intensity and determination. In this way, they are not unlike their symbol, the lion.

    The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions. Displaying behavior that makes them think you don't appreciate them runs a close second. These happy, jovial people become mighty hurt when others don't see them for their noble intentions.

    Loyal, and sometimes rather traditional, Leos are, after all, a fixed sign. They'll hold on to situations and people for a very long time before they give up. There is an unmistakable idealism to Leo's view of the world and the people in it. Often, Leos have a very noble inner code that they answer to. Although on the surface, Leos appear rather confident, they can actually be some of the most humble souls around. They are the first to blame themselves when something goes wrong. Once again, it's the Leonine self-importance at work, and this characteristic works in unexpected ways. Instead of being the conceited, self-absorbed show-offs of reputation, they are usually very self-aware, self-conscious, and, yes, even humble.

    Some Famous People with Sun in Leo: Ben Affleck (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Sandra Bullock (Sun and Mercury in Leo), J. C. Chasez of N'Sync, David Duchovny, Jonathon Frakes (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Leo), Whitney Houston (Sun and Venus in Leo), Peter O'Toole (Sun and Moon in Leo), Jennifer Lopez (Sun, Mercury, and Mars in Leo), Madonna (Sun and Venus in Leo), Robert Plant, George Bernard Shaw (Sun and Venus in Leo), Martin Sheen (Sun, Moon, and Mars in Leo), Kevin Spacey (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Christian Slater

    Sag Ascendants
    The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.

    These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.

    Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.

    One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.
    Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.

    Wow! You're a Leo with a Sag rising? That's MY rising sign! xD Cool. I also know many Leos in and outside family.
    You have a Master Number 11 in your b-day that breaks down to a Life Path 2! =D
    Life Path 2s are loving people, peaceful, always friendly. They hate conflict and fighting. Music is soothing to them. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    People with Master Numbers (11, 22-prior to the number breakdowns or any birthday on the 11th or 22nd) are destined for something great. They are destined to help humanity and inspire others. I can definitely see that where this hoax is concerned. =]
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    LOL, I just got this tweet:

    @ZodiacFacts
    #ZodiacFacts As an #Aquarius you're the one with the ability to really surprise those around you.
    5 minutes ago via web

    Are you an Aquarius too? <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

    Nope, I'm a Leo with ascendant Sagittarius and my birth date reduces to 11, or 2. So what's my profile?

    Leo with Ascendant Sag-

    LEO
    (The Sun is in Leo from approximately July 21 to August 20, depending on the year).

    There's an unmistakably regal air to Solar Leos. These are dignified—even noble—folk. Leos have a reputation for being conceited, but think again. Leos do feel important, but this generally takes the form of wanting to change the world in some way—to make the world a better place. They are generally motivated by affection for people, and often have big dreams and plans to make people happy.

    Generally, Leos are hard-working. After all, they are attracted to the good things in life, and they know they have to work to get them. It is sometimes difficult to imagine Leos as go-getters if you happen to catch them in one of their languid moods. These people can sleep in, laze around, and luxuriate for long periods of time. However, when they do get to work, they do it with intensity and determination. In this way, they are not unlike their symbol, the lion.

    The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions. Displaying behavior that makes them think you don't appreciate them runs a close second. These happy, jovial people become mighty hurt when others don't see them for their noble intentions.

    Loyal, and sometimes rather traditional, Leos are, after all, a fixed sign. They'll hold on to situations and people for a very long time before they give up. There is an unmistakable idealism to Leo's view of the world and the people in it. Often, Leos have a very noble inner code that they answer to. Although on the surface, Leos appear rather confident, they can actually be some of the most humble souls around. They are the first to blame themselves when something goes wrong. Once again, it's the Leonine self-importance at work, and this characteristic works in unexpected ways. Instead of being the conceited, self-absorbed show-offs of reputation, they are usually very self-aware, self-conscious, and, yes, even humble.

    Some Famous People with Sun in Leo: Ben Affleck (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Sandra Bullock (Sun and Mercury in Leo), J. C. Chasez of N'Sync, David Duchovny, Jonathon Frakes (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Leo), Whitney Houston (Sun and Venus in Leo), Peter O'Toole (Sun and Moon in Leo), Jennifer Lopez (Sun, Mercury, and Mars in Leo), Madonna (Sun and Venus in Leo), Robert Plant, George Bernard Shaw (Sun and Venus in Leo), Martin Sheen (Sun, Moon, and Mars in Leo), Kevin Spacey (Sun and Mercury in Leo), Christian Slater

    Sag Ascendants
    The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.

    These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.

    Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.

    One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.
    Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.


    Wow! You're a Leo with a Sag rising? That's MY rising sign! xD Cool. I also know many Leos in and outside family.
    You have a Master Number 11 in your b-day that breaks down to a Life Path 2! =D
    Life Path 2s are loving people, peaceful, always friendly. They hate conflict and fighting. Music is soothing to them. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
    People with Master Numbers (11, 22-prior to the number breakdowns or any birthday on the 11th or 22nd) are destined for something great. They are destined to help humanity and inspire others. I can definitely see that where this hoax is concerned. =]

    That's the first time I read something positive about my sign, mostly I just read things like Leo's being unfaithful, selfish and lazy. I can be lazy at times, but overall those three things don't really fit my charachter.

    "The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions." That's absolutely true.

    Thanks, which site do you get that from?

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    This interview is from 1972 and the interviewer says Michael is 12...And he looks 12 to me, not 14. I makes a lot of sense that when he was young, he was actually the age he said he was. He was born naturally talented so it was inherent from a very young age. People later on accepted that Michael was born in 1958 because it made "sense" to them that he wasn't really as young as he claimed (because who is that talented at such a young age? they'd think)...when in actuality he was that young!

    [youtube:2hyndy6s]


    I agree, he looks more like 12 than 14 here. How sweet by the way.

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?

    lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...
  • ~Souza~ wrote:
    That's the first time I read something positive about my sign, mostly I just read things like Leo's being unfaithful, selfish and lazy. I can be lazy at times, but overall those three things don't really fit my charachter.

    "The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions." That's absolutely true.

    Thanks, which site do you get that from?


    Really? I got these from <!-- m -->http://www.cafeastrology.com<!-- m -->. =D
    Another good site is <!-- m -->http://alabe.com<!-- m -->
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?

    lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...

    Oops, you're spiky... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

  • I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?

    lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...


    Your rising sign is Sag, too? =D Awesommeee! 3 Sag risings in the HIZ-ouse! *raises the roof*
    <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->

    <!-- m -->http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html<!-- m -->

    SCORPIO
    (The Sun is in Scorpio from approximately October 23 to November 21, depending on the year.)

    Scorpios are known for their intensity. They are determined folk that absolutely throw themselves into whatever they do -- but getting them to commit to something is rarely an easy task. In fact, it's better not to even try to "get them" to do anything. Solar Scorpios absolutely have their own mind. And, their primary motivation is unlikely to be prestige (like their Capricorn friends), or even authority (Leos can have that, too)--it's real power. Their power can absolutely be of the "behind the scenes" variety, just as long as they have it.

    To others, Scorpios seem to have plenty of willpower. They probably do. Scorpios do know what they want, and they won't go out and grab it at the wrong moment. They simply sit back, watch (quite expertly), and then get it only when the moment is just right. This apparent patience is simply their powerful skills at strategy at work.

    Scorpio isn't afraid of getting their hands (their bodies, their minds) dirty. The darker side of life intrigues them, and they're always ready to investigate.

    Scorpios simply never give up. They have tremendous staying power. They're not in the slightest intimidated by anybody or anything. Confrontations are not a problem. In fact, talk to any Scorpio about their lives, and you'll probably be in awe at all they've gone through. Trauma seems to follow them wherever they go. When Scorpio learns optimism, instead of expecting the worst, they'll find that they possess amazing regenerative powers -- the power to heal, create, and transform.

    Some Famous people with Sun in Scorpio: Ed Asner (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Ascendant in Scorpio), Lauren Bessette (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Bjork (Sun and Moon in Scorpio), Lisa Bonet (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), John Cleese (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Jamie Lee Curtis, Danny DeVito, Leonardo DiCaprio (Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio), Richard Dreyfuss (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Sally Field, Bill Gates, Calista Flockhart, Jodie Foster (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Whoopi Goldberg (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), John Gotti (organized crime boss - Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Harry Hamlin (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Ethan Hawke (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio, Shere Hite (who published the Hite Report on Sexuality - Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio),Rock Hudson, Demi Moore (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Pablo Picasso, Prince Charles, Puff Daddy (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Julia Roberts (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Meg Ryan (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), David Schwimmer (Sun, Moon, and Venus in Scorpio), Nicolette Sheridan, Maria Shriver
    The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.

    These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.

    Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.

    One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.

    Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.

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  • I'm a Scorpio with a rising sign of Sagittarius... what's mine?!?!?

    lol, sounds like a dangerous combination...


    Your rising sign is Sag, too? =D Awesommeee! 3 Sag risings in the HIZ-ouse! *raises the roof*
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    SCORPIO
    (The Sun is in Scorpio from approximately October 23 to November 21, depending on the year.)

    Scorpios are known for their intensity. They are determined folk that absolutely throw themselves into whatever they do -- but getting them to commit to something is rarely an easy task. In fact, it's better not to even try to "get them" to do anything. Solar Scorpios absolutely have their own mind. And, their primary motivation is unlikely to be prestige (like their Capricorn friends), or even authority (Leos can have that, too)--it's real power. Their power can absolutely be of the "behind the scenes" variety, just as long as they have it.

    To others, Scorpios seem to have plenty of willpower. They probably do. Scorpios do know what they want, and they won't go out and grab it at the wrong moment. They simply sit back, watch (quite expertly), and then get it only when the moment is just right. This apparent patience is simply their powerful skills at strategy at work.

    Scorpio isn't afraid of getting their hands (their bodies, their minds) dirty. The darker side of life intrigues them, and they're always ready to investigate.

    Scorpios simply never give up. They have tremendous staying power. They're not in the slightest intimidated by anybody or anything. Confrontations are not a problem. In fact, talk to any Scorpio about their lives, and you'll probably be in awe at all they've gone through. Trauma seems to follow them wherever they go. When Scorpio learns optimism, instead of expecting the worst, they'll find that they possess amazing regenerative powers -- the power to heal, create, and transform.

    Some Famous people with Sun in Scorpio: Ed Asner (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Ascendant in Scorpio), Lauren Bessette (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Bjork (Sun and Moon in Scorpio), Lisa Bonet (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), John Cleese (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Jamie Lee Curtis, Danny DeVito, Leonardo DiCaprio (Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio), Richard Dreyfuss (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Sally Field, Bill Gates, Calista Flockhart, Jodie Foster (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Whoopi Goldberg (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), John Gotti (organized crime boss - Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Harry Hamlin (Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio), Ethan Hawke (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio, Shere Hite (who published the Hite Report on Sexuality - Sun, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio),Rock Hudson, Demi Moore (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Pablo Picasso, Prince Charles, Puff Daddy (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), Julia Roberts (Sun and Mercury in Scorpio), Meg Ryan (Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio), David Schwimmer (Sun, Moon, and Venus in Scorpio), Nicolette Sheridan, Maria Shriver
    The world is filled with adventure, new things to experience, and, most of all, hope, with this Ascendant. There is an unmistakable faith and enthusiasm with Sagittarius rising people. Grand schemes, big promises, and a willingness to explore and experiment are themes, although follow-through is not a strong characteristic of Sagittarius.

    These individuals are somewhat restless and often active people. They always seem to be looking for something that is just out of grasp -- and many do this their entire lives. They can be quite direct at times, yet they are likable enough to forgive for their faux-pas. Most have a lot to say and offer. Their insights and opinions are usually interesting and exciting, although sometimes lacking in details.

    Sagittarius rising people have opinions about everything, and they just love telling others exactly what they are. Not all people with this position are outgoing folk, but they all have a way of moving about that at least exudes a certain level of confidence. Some might even call them naive or overly optimistic. Even the quiet ones don't shrink from life and from experience.

    One of the most obvious and endearing traits of Sagittarius rising is their willingness to keep up a sense of humor. Even when they're feeling low, they manage to find humor in life and have fun with whatever they do have. The placement of Sagittarius' ruling planet, Jupiter, will give more clues to how they go about expressing themselves. Jupiter in Capricorn, for example, might give a more sarcastic approach, but underneath there lies an unmistakable hope and spirit for living. More on Sagittarius Rising.

    Famous people with this position include Catherine Zeta-Jones and Nicolas Cage.

    <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I know some Scorpios as well. =D

    Wow, that was the most accurate description of my personality that I've ever read! Gave me goosebumps lol <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
  • SouzaSouza Posts: 9,400
    I guess we're getting a little off-topic. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

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