i dont think he changed alot. but i think he changed a few of his features which were prominent. so that may be the reason why he may look so different.
i DONT believe he got cheek implants (check out the whole Jackson family), he didnt do anything to his forehead, or chin EXCEPT for enhancing his cleft (which he said himself). his lips i think he may have outlined. but i dont believe he thinned him.
obviously his nose, skin color and cleft changed which are a few of his prominent features so i think it may give the appearance that he changed alot of things.
but i dont believe that to be the case.
in any case Michael was BEAUTIFUL
I totally agree that Michael was beautiful.
What bugs me is the Bashir interview where MJ was adamant that he had only had two nose surgeries and nothing else.. and yet in the Moonwalk book he admitted to a cleft chin surgery? That made no sense to me why he would lie like that.
I feel if MJ had been totally honest and said "yeah, ive had plastic surgery so what?" then it wouldnt have become the issue it did. By not being honest about it, it created mistrust which then led to other problems.
i dont think he changed alot. but i think he changed a few of his features which were prominent. so that may be the reason why he may look so different.
i DONT believe he got cheek implants (check out the whole Jackson family), he didnt do anything to his forehead, or chin EXCEPT for enhancing his cleft (which he said himself). his lips i think he may have outlined. but i dont believe he thinned him.
obviously his nose, skin color and cleft changed which are a few of his prominent features so i think it may give the appearance that he changed alot of things.
but i dont believe that to be the case.
in any case Michael was BEAUTIFUL
I totally agree that Michael was beautiful.
What bugs me is the Bashir interview where MJ was adamant that he had only had two nose surgeries and nothing else.. and yet in the Moonwalk book he admitted to a cleft chin surgery? That made no sense to me why he would lie like that.
I feel if MJ had been totally honest and said "yeah, ive had plastic surgery so what?" then it wouldnt have become the issue it did. By not being honest about it, it created mistrust which then led to other problems.
well I don't know. I think Michael didn't even knew what to say anymore. He just don't know what to say anymore. When he says he just had 2 operations, people are talking stupid about him and making things up, but If Michael says that he had more plastic surgeries, people ALSO would talk stupid and stuff. So he just don't know what to say anymore.. my oppinion <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I see in the two first pictures how a very good looking man aged normally and looked even better afterwards. The second picture just looks like a bad angle, bad illumination or simply photoshopped. For me MJ has always been perfect and I've never seen all those changes/surgeries that all the tabloids, and some people here, are talking about. MJ accepted the two nose surgeries and the chin cleft and I believe him, I don't see huge changes, only a kid that became a gorgeus man. And let's not talk about hin inner beauty, other wise we wouldn never stop talking about how great it is.
i dont think he changed alot. but i think he changed a few of his features which were prominent. so that may be the reason why he may look so different.
i DONT believe he got cheek implants (check out the whole Jackson family), he didnt do anything to his forehead, or chin EXCEPT for enhancing his cleft (which he said himself). his lips i think he may have outlined. but i dont believe he thinned him.
obviously his nose, skin color and cleft changed which are a few of his prominent features so i think it may give the appearance that he changed alot of things.
but i dont believe that to be the case.
in any case Michael was BEAUTIFUL
I totally agree that Michael was beautiful.
What bugs me is the Bashir interview where MJ was adamant that he had only had two nose surgeries and nothing else.. and yet in the Moonwalk book he admitted to a cleft chin surgery? That made no sense to me why he would lie like that.
I feel if MJ had been totally honest and said "yeah, ive had plastic surgery so what?" then it wouldnt have become the issue it did. By not being honest about it, it created mistrust which then led to other problems.
I agree with you. I think I've heard Michael tell the occasional fib. Which i can completely understand. I mean having gotten a nose job or any kinda of surgery to alter your appearance is not exactly something you wanna tell the world even if it obvious.
He should have told Bashir to mind his own business. However Michael was too classy to do that.
All in all.. about his entire life I think Michael did harmless things like taking a picture of himself in the burn chamber to create himself a bizarre image so he could keep himself in the news and on everyone's lips. Which I thought was a brilliant PR move. Intil it came back to bite him. and Michael became a big target to such hideous accusations that weren't true.
So when he had surgeries done, Michael had already had a rep for being "weird" (which I believe he was/is perfectly normal) then the media started to speculate crazy things. So even though Michael told everyone that he only had certain surgeries done the media still began to speculate.
p.s. sorry if my post doesnt make much sense. its been a long day already for me. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
<!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: --> i hate this subject! as far as im concerned he did not have many surgeries. to me he looks the same now as he did early ninties late eighties jmo!! he looks just like,well, absolutely brilliant when he is caught off guard ie no make up or stuff yet when he is deliberately out and about for all to see there is times that he seems "off" [2000/2001] i came to the conclusion he must do something to himself none surgical jmo, to appear in a certain way at these times for whatever reasons cos he looks absolutely fine in normal circumstances like out shopping or court pics sorry for ranting JMO
Actually in the book of J. Randy Taraborrelli he mentions something that could be plausible . He discard all of the rumours saying that Michael lost his nose and all of this BS tabloid told about losing his nose ! that's ridiculous <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I'll read the passage if you want
"The truth is that the structure of Michael's nose collapsed years ago, a consequence of extensive trauma from previous surgeries on it.
One subsequent operation was to add cartilage into the tip,to support and reshape it.
However that procedure was not completely successful.Therefore when appearing in public,and often in private, Michael wears a latex appliance, a prosthetic nose tip, wich he camouflage with stage make-up[...]
In March 2003,Vanity Fair reported that without the prothesis Michael ressemble a "mummy with two nostrils holes" This is not true .Without the device his nose appear flatter , more blunt - not pointed "
I think that's the most plausible theory about it.It says that his nose was just a little flat so he wore a prosthetic tip , that's all right ?
Well either way that's not really important if he had 2 or 12 surgeries .
He looked good and he kept his inner self so we shouldn't care much about all of this <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Actually in the book of J. Randy Taraborrelli he mentions something that could be plausible . He discard all of the rumours saying that Michael lost his nose and all of this BS tabloid told about losing his nose ! that's ridiculous <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I'll read the passage if you want
"The truth is that the structure of Michael's nose collapsed years ago, a consequence of extensive trauma from previous surgeries on it.
One subsequent operation was to add cartilage into the tip,to support and reshape it.
However that procedure was not completely successful.Therefore when appearing in public,and often in private, Michael wears a latex appliance, a prosthetic nose tip, wich he camouflage with stage make-up[...]
In March 2003,Vanity Fair reported that without the prothesis Michael ressemble a "mummy with two nostrils holes" This is not true .Without the device his nose appear flatter , more blunt - not pointed "
I think that's the most plausible theory about it.It says that his nose was just a little flat so he wore a prosthetic tip , that's all right ?
Well either way that's not really important if he had 2 or 12 surgeries .
He looked good and he kept his inner self so we shouldn't care much about all of this <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Sounds believeable. (not calling you a liar but I just saying that what taraborelli said sounds possible)
I've heard so many people say Michael had a prothetic nose. Ehhh.. Yeah I couldnt really believe that either.
All in all I mean I know there are some people who are not happy with their looks (me for instance and prolly most any human being on this earth. I, also, have been made fun of for my rather large and pointy boney nose) though I must say its a shame Michael felt unhappy about the way he looked. I mean he has always been gorgeous. I mean Handsome to every extent of the word. He didn't need anything done though I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder. but what I'm saying is he shouldnt have let others make him feel ugly. More than likely those who criticized him were just envious of his talent and handsomeness.
It always makes me sad to see him in the video Rock with you. because he was just so pure and seemed to be still so untouched by the bad people that he later came in contact with. even though Michael has been in the business since he was a young child, in that video he just was so wholesome and sweet. but then when Michael came in contact with money hungry greedy people I think Michael became a little less naive and maybe even bitter (listen to HIStory) and it saddens me so much. That is proof that Michael was normal with normal human emotions just as anyone else.
I've heard so many people say Michael had a prothetic nose. Ehhh.. Yeah I couldnt really believe that either.
I think that he is trying to correct the people that said that Mike's whole nose prosthetic . He said that was just the tip , to even everything.
I don't know if he tell the truth or not but that seems plausible to me.
He also said a lot of good things about Michael and tried to stand up for him many times in the past , so I better trust him than any other journalist/writer.
But of course that's just my theory
And I agree with you about Rock with you.
I think that as a child and before all of his problems he had to be someone really pure. But after being betrayed he must have changed .
He always remained someone gentle but maybe more on the prudent side.
Being betrayed is so painful.Loneliness as well.
It just eat you up
I've heard so many people say Michael had a prothetic nose. Ehhh.. Yeah I couldnt really believe that either.
I think that he is trying to correct the people that said that Mike's whole nose prosthetic . He said that was just the tip , to even everything.
I don't know if he tell the truth or not but that seems plausible to me.
He also said a lot of good things about Michael and tried to stand up for him many times in the past , so I better trust him than any other journalist/writer.
But of course that's just my theory
And I agree with you about Rock with you.
I think that as a child and before all of his problems he had to be someone really pure. But after being betrayed he must have changed .
He always remained someone gentle but maybe more on the prudent side.
Being betrayed is so painful.Loneliness as well.
It just eat you up
yeah yeah thats what i meant. alot of people said Michaels entire nose was fake. I'm like seriously? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> So yeah I guess the tip sounds believable.
all i say is its hurts me that Mj felt unhappy with his looks because he was Handsome all over. In and out.
yeah yeah thats what i meant. alot of people said Michaels entire nose was fake. I'm like seriously? So yeah I guess the tip sounds believable.
all i say is its hurts me that Mj felt unhappy with his looks because he was Handsome all over. In and out.
Well when someone is at the top there a lot of people who can't bear it
Thoses stupid journalist as well <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I agree with you . How come he didn't know he was handsome from the very beginning .
I love him best in Bad era, but I think that man really has potential . He is such a cutie.
Come on who could be as handsome as him as 50 years old ?
It really make me laugh when people bash him because of his face
Let's see when they'll hit the 50 years old then they can talk
Seriously <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
yeah yeah thats what i meant. alot of people said Michaels entire nose was fake. I'm like seriously? So yeah I guess the tip sounds believable.
all i say is its hurts me that Mj felt unhappy with his looks because he was Handsome all over. In and out.
Well when someone is at the top there a lot of people who can't bear it
Thoses stupid journalist as well <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I agree with you . How come he didn't know he was handsome from the very beginning .
I love him best in Bad era, but I think that man really has potential . He is such a cutie.
Come on who could be as handsome as him as 50 years old ?
It really make me laugh when people bash him because of his face
Let's see when they'll hit the 50 years old then they can talk
Seriously <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
Yeah Michael before or after surgery is probably one of the very FEW handsome men. I mean not many men have alot of handsome features altogether like Michael. Michael has an a handsome face with handsome facial features, nice hands, nice body all slender and tall yet very masculine. Very few men can say they have those things. So Michael was a man who did not need surgery. but im sure envious people made him feel bad.
OH YES. MICHAEL IN THE BAD ERA. HE DRIVES ME BONKERS with those chains and belts. and that part in his hair.
Yeah Michael before or after surgery is probably one of the very FEW handsome men. I mean not many men have alot of handsome features altogether like Michael. Michael has an a handsome face with handsome facial features, nice hands, nice body all slender and tall yet very masculine. Very few men can say they have those things. So Michael was a man who did not need surgery. but im sure envious people made him feel bad.
OH YES. MICHAEL IN THE BAD ERA. HE DRIVES ME BONKERS with those chains and belts. and that part in his hair.
sorry dont mean to get all teenybopper here.
I guess that he was blinded at some moment , All thos people watching all of his moves like he is some rat from labotary(bad grammar here ?)I'm talking about the tabloids , they were hunting him literally . He must have felt unconfortable .
I can understant that he must have been blinded .And often people don't even see themselves like they really are .
And for your opinion about Bad era...I know what you mean very well ^^
Cute men all in black just drive me crazy so I understand so much what you mean <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I also clearly remember MJ saying he only had two surgeries on his nose. He did have surgery to help him breathe better. It must be common because I know of two people that have had to have second nose surgeries because of breathing problems. I don't think there is much difference between picture one and picture two and the third doesn't look real, almost doctored. I believe I heard that he also had that chin implant but had it removed. I believe him if he says he only had two. We don't hear too much about Joan Rivers, Pricilla Presley, Kenny Rogers, etc. and they have had bad plastic surgery and by the looks of it, far more than Michael. I think Michael looked great in 2007...that was only a little over 2 years ago? hello - what happened in 2 years? We also need to remember when we look at pictures that he used many doubles. I was just looking in another area and the picture they were using as comparison was a double.
I'm not quite sure why Michael was such a target of all these plastic surgery rumors more so than any other celeb. I do think it is partially because Michael did want this bizarre image made of himself (starting with the pic of him in a burn chamber) becuase he wanted to keep himself in the headlines. So i think the media took advantage of all that.
I remember when the media was saying and Michael addressed it himself (in the full Bashir doc) that they were saying how Michael had each individual whisker hair individuallly planted into his face. and Michael was completely stunned by the fact that he thought the media didnt think he could grow his own facial hair.
I must say that that was a bit ridiclous to say the least.
I just don't think Michael changed alot of his face as I have a addressed in the vitiligo-spots post.
The only I'm not sure about is how many surgeries he's had on his nose. But I know he didnt even need one.
I could stare at that man all day long. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> *teenybopper sigh*
Yes I think he had a certain amount of plastic surgeries, but not as many as the medias say. They have exagerated a lot.
i dont think michael had loads of surgery either it realy gets to me when this is written all over the tabloids and who care i think he looked great for 50 i wouldnt look twice at a 50 year old man but with michael i would not stop looking or should i say i could not stop looking lol <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Does this prove MJ had many plastic surgeries and that he was a chameleon in his appearance, which may be why many people think he used doubles?
Could this picture give credence to the stories that MJ in the morgue had no nose, and used a prosthetic nose? Is this the reason there was a closed casket?
Just trying to throw a few theories out there. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Ive added two pictures: one which clearly shows MJ with a weirdly shaped nose, and one that compares his looks between the decades.
i really dont see a difference except the fact HE'S OLDER. gosh im so sick of people saying he had so much surgery, he had his nose and cleft chin THAT'S IT gosh he still has the same eyes cheekbones and mouth he did when he was younger, but he's OLDER NOW , HE'S A GROWN OLDER MAN. it's called growing up, it happens i sure when you all grow up you will look different then you do now, the man was 50 gosh give it a rest, his face changed, I don;t look anything like i did when i was in elementary school, its called growing. get over it . gosh Pamela Anderson is all plastic that bitch ain't even real anymore lol and noone hounded her this much but they hound michael over his nose and chin jeezz leave the guy alone.
Does this prove MJ had many plastic surgeries and that he was a chameleon in his appearance, which may be why many people think he used doubles?
Could this picture give credence to the stories that MJ in the morgue had no nose, and used a prosthetic nose? Is this the reason there was a closed casket?
Just trying to throw a few theories out there. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Ive added two pictures: one which clearly shows MJ with a weirdly shaped nose, and one that compares his looks between the decades.
i really dont see a difference except the fact HE'S OLDER. gosh im so sick of people saying he had so much surgery, he had his nose and cleft chin THAT'S IT gosh he still has the same eyes cheekbones and mouth he did when he was younger, but he's OLDER NOW , HE'S A GROWN OLDER MAN. it's called growing up, it happens i sure when you all grow up you will look different then you do now, the man was 50 gosh give it a rest, his face changed, I don;t look anything like i did when i was in elementary school, its called growing. get over it . gosh Pamela Anderson is all plastic that bitch ain't even real anymore lol and noone hounded her this much but they hound michael over his nose and chin jeezz leave the guy alone.
Applause Applause Applause ! As far as this being a reason for a closed casket....it wouldnt -they can make anything and anyone look like a million for their casket,so nothing about that story fits. Michael got older,he changed his hair,he wore make-up and his looks changed. I believe him and I am sure he had more to remember and worry about then answering that question a thousand times a year. I honestly wanted to delete this thread when it first started ,it has nothing to do with the hoax and is just a place for theorizing wether or not he was real....well 2 months later you still dont have an answer. I am locking it ,it serves no purpose.
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I totally agree that Michael was beautiful.
What bugs me is the Bashir interview where MJ was adamant that he had only had two nose surgeries and nothing else.. and yet in the Moonwalk book he admitted to a cleft chin surgery? That made no sense to me why he would lie like that.
I feel if MJ had been totally honest and said "yeah, ive had plastic surgery so what?" then it wouldnt have become the issue it did. By not being honest about it, it created mistrust which then led to other problems.
Michael is beautiful enough. I don't know how someone can be that gorgeous, even at 51 years old. it's really incredible...
I agree with you. I think I've heard Michael tell the occasional fib. Which i can completely understand. I mean having gotten a nose job or any kinda of surgery to alter your appearance is not exactly something you wanna tell the world even if it obvious.
He should have told Bashir to mind his own business. However Michael was too classy to do that.
All in all.. about his entire life I think Michael did harmless things like taking a picture of himself in the burn chamber to create himself a bizarre image so he could keep himself in the news and on everyone's lips. Which I thought was a brilliant PR move. Intil it came back to bite him. and Michael became a big target to such hideous accusations that weren't true.
So when he had surgeries done, Michael had already had a rep for being "weird" (which I believe he was/is perfectly normal) then the media started to speculate crazy things. So even though Michael told everyone that he only had certain surgeries done the media still began to speculate.
p.s. sorry if my post doesnt make much sense. its been a long day already for me. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I'll read the passage if you want
"The truth is that the structure of Michael's nose collapsed years ago, a consequence of extensive trauma from previous surgeries on it.
One subsequent operation was to add cartilage into the tip,to support and reshape it.
However that procedure was not completely successful.Therefore when appearing in public,and often in private, Michael wears a latex appliance, a prosthetic nose tip, wich he camouflage with stage make-up[...]
In March 2003,Vanity Fair reported that without the prothesis Michael ressemble a "mummy with two nostrils holes" This is not true .Without the device his nose appear flatter , more blunt - not pointed "
I think that's the most plausible theory about it.It says that his nose was just a little flat so he wore a prosthetic tip , that's all right ?
Well either way that's not really important if he had 2 or 12 surgeries .
He looked good and he kept his inner self so we shouldn't care much about all of this <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Sounds believeable. (not calling you a liar but I just saying that what taraborelli said sounds possible)
I've heard so many people say Michael had a prothetic nose. Ehhh.. Yeah I couldnt really believe that either.
All in all I mean I know there are some people who are not happy with their looks (me for instance and prolly most any human being on this earth. I, also, have been made fun of for my rather large and pointy boney nose) though I must say its a shame Michael felt unhappy about the way he looked. I mean he has always been gorgeous. I mean Handsome to every extent of the word. He didn't need anything done though I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder. but what I'm saying is he shouldnt have let others make him feel ugly. More than likely those who criticized him were just envious of his talent and handsomeness.
It always makes me sad to see him in the video Rock with you. because he was just so pure and seemed to be still so untouched by the bad people that he later came in contact with. even though Michael has been in the business since he was a young child, in that video he just was so wholesome and sweet. but then when Michael came in contact with money hungry greedy people I think Michael became a little less naive and maybe even bitter (listen to HIStory) and it saddens me so much. That is proof that Michael was normal with normal human emotions just as anyone else.
Sorry for my rant.
I think that he is trying to correct the people that said that Mike's whole nose prosthetic . He said that was just the tip , to even everything.
I don't know if he tell the truth or not but that seems plausible to me.
He also said a lot of good things about Michael and tried to stand up for him many times in the past , so I better trust him than any other journalist/writer.
But of course that's just my theory
And I agree with you about Rock with you.
I think that as a child and before all of his problems he had to be someone really pure. But after being betrayed he must have changed .
He always remained someone gentle but maybe more on the prudent side.
Being betrayed is so painful.Loneliness as well.
It just eat you up
yeah yeah thats what i meant. alot of people said Michaels entire nose was fake. I'm like seriously? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> So yeah I guess the tip sounds believable.
all i say is its hurts me that Mj felt unhappy with his looks because he was Handsome all over. In and out.
Well when someone is at the top there a lot of people who can't bear it
Thoses stupid journalist as well <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I agree with you . How come he didn't know he was handsome from the very beginning .
I love him best in Bad era, but I think that man really has potential . He is such a cutie.
Come on who could be as handsome as him as 50 years old ?
It really make me laugh when people bash him because of his face
Let's see when they'll hit the 50 years old then they can talk
Seriously <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
Yeah Michael before or after surgery is probably one of the very FEW handsome men. I mean not many men have alot of handsome features altogether like Michael. Michael has an a handsome face with handsome facial features, nice hands, nice body all slender and tall yet very masculine. Very few men can say they have those things. So Michael was a man who did not need surgery. but im sure envious people made him feel bad.
OH YES. MICHAEL IN THE BAD ERA. HE DRIVES ME BONKERS with those chains and belts. and that part in his hair.
sorry dont mean to get all teenybopper here.
I guess that he was blinded at some moment , All thos people watching all of his moves like he is some rat from labotary(bad grammar here ?)I'm talking about the tabloids , they were hunting him literally . He must have felt unconfortable .
I can understant that he must have been blinded .And often people don't even see themselves like they really are .
And for your opinion about Bad era...I know what you mean very well ^^
Cute men all in black just drive me crazy so I understand so much what you mean <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I remember when the media was saying and Michael addressed it himself (in the full Bashir doc) that they were saying how Michael had each individual whisker hair individuallly planted into his face. and Michael was completely stunned by the fact that he thought the media didnt think he could grow his own facial hair.
I must say that that was a bit ridiclous to say the least.
I just don't think Michael changed alot of his face as I have a addressed in the vitiligo-spots post.
The only I'm not sure about is how many surgeries he's had on his nose. But I know he didnt even need one.
I could stare at that man all day long. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> *teenybopper sigh*
Applause Applause Applause ! As far as this being a reason for a closed casket....it wouldnt -they can make anything and anyone look like a million for their casket,so nothing about that story fits. Michael got older,he changed his hair,he wore make-up and his looks changed. I believe him and I am sure he had more to remember and worry about then answering that question a thousand times a year. I honestly wanted to delete this thread when it first started ,it has nothing to do with the hoax and is just a place for theorizing wether or not he was real....well 2 months later you still dont have an answer. I am locking it ,it serves no purpose.