Sooo done with this thread. This is not good for my inner chi. <!-- s --><!-- s --> Instead I'm going to go take a chill pill and meditate.... who's with me?
But seriously, done with it. I'm feeling as if I'm missing vital information for some reason, so I'm not going to judge any of it. Oh how I wish we could all get together in one room and speak to each other normally...so many things get miscontrued and I think this medium of communication is the culprit, just because so many things can be "lost in translation" if you will, and we miss important things like body language and tone of voice, not to mention cultural differences...making it very easy to misunderstand or not fully understand each other...
Anyways, I'm going take a chill pill and meditate a little later today. Right now I need coffee <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> Hope you all have a lovely time here... see you on the other threads! <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
Just a thought Chappie...!
Why don't you PM Mo to ask her where the sheep have gone...? Then post the link as it seems to be of interest to the discussion at hand!
Good Lord... <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
I vote for T-shirts all around! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> It's all for L.O.V.E. remember?
I support you Souza. From what little I know of Mo; it doesn't sound like her, so I understand all the questioning. I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum. That Sucks.
I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
People, it is a quite funny situation... You fight for who disagree's more with the other side... There is logic in all sides and that should be respected. And why seeing red flags? For someone checking in his laptop twice a day for new posts your reaction is amusing. What could I possibly do? Cast a spell on you through the internet and change your minds? <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Anyway, I said that about *Mo*, because people kept telling her she lost herself and things like that. Changing one's mind could also mean reconsideration. And I vote for that in this case. Of course I was not here to defend you from the attacks made to you. I am not a savior or anything like that. I just felt the same misunderstanding on her views as well in mine, Puff's and other people's here, so I answered. Although, I have to admit that my being linked to some kind of conspirancy was quite predictable. I don't care after all.
But, note that not everything is motivated by "the dark side of the force". Stop searching for Darth Sidious. Personally I am more like Qui-Gon Jinn, if you know what I mean... <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Sooo done with this thread. This is not good for my inner chi. <!-- s --><!-- s --> Instead I'm going to go take a chill pill and meditate.... who's with me?
I am soo with you. Soo done with this whole rediculous debate. I will chose to believe what I see as reasonable. Period.
@Uranus...I'm not really familiar with the "newer" installmants of the Star Wars series. I'm more of "the original three) kind-of-girl. I felt it necessary to do some digging, so that I would know who you are "like." So that we ALL may "compare and contrast", here are the Wiki's for the two characters that you mentioned:
"...But, note that not everything is motivated by "the dark side of the force". Stop searching for Darth Sidious. Personally I am more like Qui-Gon Jinn, if you know what I mean..."
I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
I think u should make a new account. and post all those videos again. not that gangsta video, but those Hoax videos were great. Maybe they wanted those videos removed, and that Web Sheriff used the gangsta video for a reason to do...
Souza you have my full support , not because I believe in TS , as I have Honestly always been confused as to wether he's an informer or a 'hoaxer'
What I don't understand though is why are people questioning the the numerogoly TS has presented to us right now.. Ive always had these questions in my mind , and I find it rather odd , that some are questioning those things right now as it is something new , while numerology has been a big part of TS posts since the beginning..
I think Mo made really good points on this thread though..
*thinking*
I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
I think u should make a new account. and post all those videos again. not that gangsta video, but those Hoax videos were great. Maybe they wanted those videos removed, and that Web Sheriff used the gangsta video for a reason to do...
I second this. Those videos are to valuable to loose. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
I think u should make a new account. and post all those videos again. not that gangsta video, but those Hoax videos were great. Maybe they wanted those videos removed, and that Web Sheriff used the gangsta video for a reason to do...
I second this. Those videos are to valuable to loose. <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
Already uploading them again to my other account, but it might take a few days <!-- s --><!-- s -->
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
frogh777 wrote:
*Mo* wrote:
MsTrinity333 wrote:
I've also noticed to my that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
Answer
Web Sheriff is an internet policing company based in the United Kingdom. It acts for the rights of its clients against a wide range of media copyright infringement, privacy violations, trademark infringement and domain name squatting.[1][2][3] The company also generates official content for its clients by designing, building and maintaining websites, YouTube channels, MySpace pages and the like. It produces video edits for several of its household name clients and also manufactures watermarked CDs and DVDs as well as providing individually watermarked streams of audio and video.[4] Clients include record labels and musical artists, media organizations, newspapers, broadcasters, film companies and celebrities.[5][2] It enforces online rights management for record labels and film companies by managing album and movie leaks and is most notable for policing blogs, BitTorrent trackers, file-sharing sites, film-sharing sites and websites that are offering downloads of copyrighted music and film. Web Sheriff initially interacts by sending "take-down" notices to the offending parties.[6]
Although most of the company's work relies heavily on the entertainment industry with enforcing copyright and new release protection, it handles all forms of illegal activity on the internet. It has been instrumental in the removal of Ken Bigley execution videos and has closed down terrorist related sites[7] as well as the extreme pornographic strangulation sites at the center of the notorious Jane Longhurst 2003 murder trial at the Old Bailey in London, England.[8][9]
Described as "Europe's leading policing specialist",[10] Web Sheriff was founded in 2000 by former music business lawyer, John Giacobbi who acts as managing director.[11] Former deputy chairman of G-Cap Media, Steve Orchard serves as chairman of the company, which has operations in two offices in the UK and a work team of 20 patrolling the web 24/7.[5][1][12]
Operating methods
Web Sheriff uses web-crawler programmers for searching, as well as human auditing and investigations;[7] it relies heavily on phone calls and relationship building rather than merely on technology. It does not use technical means to illegally interfere with a music-sharing site or add bogus files but targets the persons running the sites.[13] The most common problem the company deals with is the leaking of pre-released albums and movies.[14] If an MP3 pirated track shows up on a tracking site or BitTorrent, fan blog or website, the copyright offending sites are asked politely to take down the postings and only upon non-compliance is the ISP notified to forcibly remove the content or close down the website.[7] Some of the BitTorrent sites give Web Sheriff access to remove the files themselves.[1] The company's premise is that "most file sharing is done by highly enthusiastic fans. We just try to educate them about the harm they might be committing."[6] Web Sheriff has further stated that "while we do take down sites illegally sharing files, we also then direct them to sources of legal and official music, such as promotional tracks or YouTube channels."[15]
[edit] Fan reactions
Music fans and bloggers often respond angrily when first requested by Web Sheriff to take down MP3 tracks or to not post them on the music-related site. Web Sheriff's usual approach is an appeal to the fans to respect the wishes of the band with offers of links to approved tracks and samples for the new album. Fans sometimes interpret this as Web Sheriff saying, "I've got my eye on you."[16] But eventually most of the fans tend to respect the wishes of their favored artists by cooperating. The Prodigy fans on the brainkiller forum engaged with Web Sheriff on a thread that lasted through 18 pages. Some of the fans who had been hostile at the beginning, then asked what they could do to help the band.[14] Bit Torrent file sharers are much more resistant to a friendly approach and may be sent letters threatening the consequences of non-compliance with civil or criminal charges being instigated.[7]
[edit] Clients: MICHAEL JACKSON
Clients are predominantly from the United States and United Kingdom and include Bryan Adams,[14][17] Adele,[18] Animal Collective,[1] Antony and the Johnsons,[1][7] Arctic Monkeys,[14][19] Estate of Chet Baker,[20] The Black Crowes,[21] Bloc Party,[22][23][12] Broken Bells,[24] Chicane,[25][12] Depeche Mode,[1] Bob Dylan,[26] Franz Ferdinand,[7] The Hold Steady,[4] Michael Jackson,[27][28] Estate of Bob Marley,[29] George Michael,[19][12] Moby,[6] Mogwai,[4] Van Morrison,[14][1] The New Pornographers,[30] Cat Power,[4] Prince,[1] The Prodigy,[14][17] The Raconteurs,[31] The Shins,[6] Sonic Youth,[32] Spoon,[33] Third Eye Blind,[34] Travis,[12] UB40,[29] Vampire Weekend,[5] Village People,[13][30] The White Stripes,[14][1][12] Yo La Tengo[30] and Thom Yorke.[7] Record labels that are represented include Columbia Records,[35] Matador Records,[4] Warner Bros. Records,[31] Universal, Ministry of Sound,[36] Domino Records,[37] V2 Records,[19] XL Recordings,[18] Cooking Vinyl[14] and Rough Trade Records.[4] Film distribution companies such as Magnolia Pictures,[7][38] and BreakThru Films have hired Web Sheriff's services in order to get their copyrighted content removed from websites.
The words that we speak, are they life or death? Do they give us hope or discouragement? Since we are held responsible for every word we speak, I think we had better listen very carefully to what we are saying, not just to our brethren, but also to ourselves. Notice what Jesus said: "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned" (Mt.12:36-37). Let us look at the words, justified and condemned a little more closely. By being Justified -- we are being freed from all blame, we are without guilt and we are shown or proven to be right. Condemned means -- to be pronounced unfit for use, guilty. By our own words we can be free from blame and without guilt, or we can pronounce ourselves guilty and unfit for the use of God. If it is the Word of God -- it is Life, it is freedom. If it is ourselves speaking -- it is death, and words of death will destroy, kill everyone that hears us; and not only they who hear us, but ourselves as well. Proverbs 18:21 says, "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."
So what do we love -- Life or death? What are we eating, and what are we 'living' on? Is it Life or Death? It is one or the other. Let us quote Proverbs 18:21 again, it says that "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof." And in 18:20, "A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled." Is our belly satisfied and filled with life, which is Christ, and live; or are we filled with the manna of death, which is an enemy, and die? Let it be life, and then this verse will come to pass, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (1 Cor.15:26).
All evil comes forth from the heart and proceeds out of the mouth. " The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jer 17:9). "...For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" (Mat 12:34). "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies" (Mat 15:18-19). We need the circumcision that is of the heart, by the spirit (Rom 2:29), then the evil that comes out of our hearts will cease. "And I will give them one new heart, and I will put a new Spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh" (Ezek 11:19).
Let us take a moment to see what the heart expresses through the tongue. "And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and is set on fire of hell, for every kind of beast, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?" (Jms.3:6-11). I could go on with the rest of the verses, but I am sure you can read the whole chapter yourself, which is very good.
Has anyone ever said something negative to you, and you just wilted and felt like you had died inside, or perhaps they said some beautiful words to you, then you just blossomed like a flower. This is the way of the tongue. Let us, therefore, tend to life with our tongue, which may seem to be an impossible task; but be assured with God all things are possible (Mk 9:23). We will and shall be able to tame the tongue and only speak living words of life and reality. In Proverbs 26:20 we also find these words: "Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth." When our wood, hay and stubble is consumed, the carnal fire has gone out, but the eternal flame of God will burn for ever. Praise God Hallelujah!
We can see there is a negative (dark) side, but there is always a positive (light) side as well. What is important to us is that which is positive, that which gives us life eternal, and we know our life comes from God the Father through Christ Jesus, Who is the savior of all man. It is good to know the dark side of things, so we can stand against the wiles of evil, but it is so much better to live and have our being in the positive (the side of light and life).
I myself want to live. What about you? I know the answer to that. We are all wanting to live, and not just live but to live life more abundantly.
So now that we know we are all wanting to live, let us look at some of the scriptures that speak of those things that give us life:
Proverbs 10:20 says, "The tongue of the just is as choice silver", (silver speaks of redemption & righteousness),( see also Proverbs 25:4-5 and Psa. 12:6).
"A wholesome tongue is a tree of life" (Prov. 15:4), and we know that Jesus Christ is the Tree of Life -- ever living (Rev. 2:7).
"The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life" (Prov.10 :11), and John 4:14 tells us that He (Jesus) is the water for the thirsty. Jesus also said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto Me, and drink" (John 7:37). "In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found..." (Prov. 10:13), "...and with wisdom the house is built" (Prov. 24:3-4).
"The lips of the righteous feed many" (Prov. 10-21), and Jesus said, "Feed My sheep" (John 21:15-17).
To have all the words of life we must be circumcised in the heart and put on the mind of Christ, also communicate, and have an intimate relationship with Him, with Christ the living Spirit which dwells in us. And He is in us, don't we know? "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach" (Rom. 10:8). You see He is so close, in our mouths and in our hearts -- so why don't we speak words of Life and Live? Because our hearts first need to be circumcised and we need to have His mind. "Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Rom 2:12). "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" (James 1:8). We know a double mind can mean death or life. And "For to be carnally (fleshly) minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace" (Rom 8:6). As long as we are thinking or speaking negatively of anything or anybody, we do not have His mind, nor are our hearts circumcised. We die each time we utter ill words, they cause us to abide in death. To walk in His life, we must have His fullness and His mind. There cannot be any negative thoughts or words spoken, because they will result in death. As long as we possess carnal minds, we have death, we are dying, and we will go to the grave.
Jesus tells us in John 5:19 "The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." He also said in John 14:24, "...The word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me."
Can you see what Jesus is saying to us? We have to hear the Father and speak what we hear. Let me make this very plain. We can know the Bible from one end to the other, have it all memorized in these heads of ours, and we can tell the world all about it, till we are blue in the face; but without the Spirit, and if God did not tell us to speak -- it is death!
Jesus, in John 6:63, said, "It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life." Do you see it? The flesh profits nothing -- the carnal mind, the written word. Second Corinthians.3:6 says, "...The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." So let us not speak the scriptures for the sake of being heard; but let it be the Spirit that quickens -- makes alive. So when the Spirit moves through us, let us speak like it says in 1 Corinthians 2:4-7, "And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory. "And now, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus..." (Phil 2:5). Then the words that we speak are Spirit and Life. They glorify God, not ourselves! Amen.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
The world around us looks so real, and to proclaim that it is only an illusion may seem sheer nonsense. How can it be? Yet, it is possible to accept this idea. I believe you agree with me, if I say that the body is some sort of an extraordinary machine. It is made up of a combination of materials, but it functions as a unit. Can you say confidently that you are the body? Are you the hair that is cut and thrown away when you go to the hairdresser? Are you your fingers nails, nose, legs or thighs?
The body changes through the years, do you really feel that you are this changing form?
Many thoughts pass through the mind every day. Can you say that you are any one of these thoughts? They are like a movie that plays in front of your eyes. Do you remember what you thought one hour ago? Yesterday? How can these thoughts be the real you if they always come and go? You think them, but you are not them.
The same thing goes for your feelings. What do you think is more correct to say, "I am angry", "I am sad", "I am happy" or "I am letting feelings of anger, sadness or happiness to occupy my consciousness for a while"? As with thoughts, feelings and emotions pass through you, they come and they go. You cannot be your feelings, which constantly change.
Then who are you? After reading the above, do you still believe that you the body, feeling and thoughts, or something beyond them? To know who you really are, you have to take your awareness beyond the mind. The answer comes when you are able to transcend your mind. Spiritual traditions and experience say that you are an inseparable part of the eternal, impersonal consciousness that created the world and infused life into everything, including this conglomeration of body, feelings and thoughts that you call "me".
This homogenous, indivisible, impersonal Consciousness manifests in and through everything. It is the life principle of the manifestation that you consider to be yourself. The manifestation, which is the combination of body, thoughts and feelings, is nothing without this life principle. This Life Principle - Consciousness, is the only real thing, and every manifestation is created by it, and therefore is dependent on it.
Can you become aware of this Consciousness? When you develop some inner detachment and inner peace, you will be able to turn your attention within you, instead of to the external world, and then you will become aware of the Consciousness that is beyond the mind.
Silence of the mind is the prerequisite for becoming aware of this Consciousness. Only when the mind is silenced and there are no thoughts, you realize who you really are - the vast, eternal Consciousness.
This is also what has been called enlightenment. This is what yogis, saints and seekers on the spiritual path seek. Through constant meditation the mind is made quiet. Then, from deep inside will rise great silence, peace, bliss and consciousness. Then you will know who you really are. This is enlightenment.
The way to spiritual awakening is open for everyone. Only attachment and erroneous thoughts and concepts hide it. It can come suddenly, and it can come gradually. The funny thing is that you do not have to search for it, and you do not need to reach anywhere. All you have to do is dive within with a quiet mind, become aware of this inner, eternal underlying consciousness and stay there.
If you watch a movie with inner detachment, you can still enjoy it, yet you are not agitated by what happens in it. You know it is just a movie, the projection of light and color on a screen. After gaining inner peace and silence, and becoming aware of your real I, you see the world and live in it, but yet, at the same time you understand that it is not real. This helps you stay calm and detached in all kinds of situations.
When you are spiritually awakened, nothing can affect your mind and moods. You may still need to work and interact with other people and the world around you, yet you will do so while remaining uninvolved in consciousness, as if outside of the world.
The mind and its thoughts create your world - the illusion you are living in. Thoughts and imagination are creative, and therefore mold and affect your world. As your thoughts are, so is your world.
When you awaken to your real Consciousness, you will be able to master your mind and thoughts, and therefore if needed, be able to change your illusion - your world, through the creative power of your mind. By focusing your mind on the thoughts you choose, you can affect your "reality" accordingly.
You might say that after spiritual awakening you will be beyond the world's illusion, and material things will not matter any more. This is true, but yet, the illusion has to be lived. You have to eat, pay bills and take care of the body. It is true, you will approach these matters in a completely different way, but you will still need to take care of them.
Even an enlightened master has to eat, drink and sleep.
Going beyond the mind, beyond the illusion of the world, puts a great power and responsibility in your hands, for then you have the power to affect the world. Your awakened consciousness is an immense power that can stimulate the spiritual awakening in others. As all Consciousness is one, calming down your mind, going beyond it, and becoming conscious of your real being, to some extent, affects the whole world.
Re: We only have four years?
by Im_convincedmjalive » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:51 pm
MJalive999 wrote:
When he sets himself up as God war will break out in heaven. Satan, having received false glory as the Almighty from his son the antichrist, will be cast down to earth along with his legions of demons who side with him in the heavenly battle. This will occur three and a half years after the peace agreement has been signed and marks the beginning of the 1,290 day desolation period.
I am REALLY GLAD to see this!
Someone is getting the BIGGER picture!
I pray that more people will soon have the DECEPTIVE veil lifted from their eyes.
While the hoax is providing us with clues to many things about why MJ had to construct his "death" as a shock value for US to wake up to these REALITIES, it is also causing many to get confused and not focus correctly.
I have read the theories related to what some think is the meaning behind 4 years and I say it is humorous at times but, also very sad.
I am getting the impression here that there are alot of younger people who need their elders to get involed. I hope that if the younger ones on this forum become aware that they in turn inform their parents to help them gain a better understanding of this enormous concept.
Re: We only have four years?
by Im_convincedmjalive » Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:41 pm
Although this text comes from a website in which the plan of the devil ( satan) uses a deception on people to believe that this information is coming from an Alien, like E.T. if people of (faith who understand it to be exactly what it is) and interpret this information correctly it is very good insight to truth.
A SPIRITUAL WARFARE between good and evil. Warfare between God, Jesus, The Holy Spirit ( Trinity) <Good vs. Evil> ( satan and his demons).
Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you put out.
Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today.
You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'.
When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is, because of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice.
Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose.
It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others.
We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches.
You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.
That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.
No, not really.
Let's see if we can increase the 'depth' of enquiry and question matter in the next session. Seek beyond the superficial. Get to the 'Core' of the matter.
Now if you read this as a person of FAITH and see it for what it is, this is a spirit ( don't know for sure which side it is on) but, it has told it like it is. It has given us Humans the answer, and WE have FREE WILL to choose what we want here and NOW!
L.O.V.E.= Law of vibrational energy.
Stop living in FEAR and Confusion.
Thanks.
Peace
However for those who do not view this like some of us do, here is a more human (vs. spiritual) and surface explanation to the phenom of what is going on with the non-believers.
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Burrhus Frederic Skinner (March 20, 1904 – August 18, 1990) was an American psychologist, author, inventor, social philosopher, and poet. He was the Edgar Pierce Professor of Psychology at Harvard University from 1958 until his retirement in 1974.
Skinner invented the operant conditioning chamber, innovated his own philosophy of science called Radical Behaviorism, and founded his own school of experimental research psychology—the experimental analysis of behavior. His analysis of human behavior culminated in his work Verbal Behavior, which has recently seen enormous increase in interest experimentally and in applied settings.
Skinner discovered and advanced the rate of response as a dependent variable in psychological research. He invented the cumulative recorder to measure rate of responding as part of his highly influential work on schedules of reinforcement. In a June, 2002 survey, Skinner was listed as the most influential psychologist of the 20th century. He was a prolific author who published 21 books and 180 articles.
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Brave New World is a novel by Aldous Huxley, written in 1931 and published in 1932. Set in London of AD 2540 (632 A.F. in the book), the novel anticipates developments in reproductive technology and sleep-learning that combine to change society. The future society is an embodiment of the ideals that form the basis of futurism. Huxley answered this book with a reassessment in an essay, Brave New World Revisited (1958), and with his final work, a novel titled Island (1962), both summarized below.
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THE PLOT
Brave New World is partly a statement of ideas (expressed by characters with no more depth than cartoon characters) and only partly a story with a plot.
The first three chapters present most of the important ideas or themes of the novel. The Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning explains that this Utopia breeds people to order, artificially fertilizing a mother's eggs to create babies that grow in bottles. They are not born, but decanted. Everyone belongs to one of five classes, from the Alphas, the most intelligent, to the Epsilons, morons bred to do the dirty jobs that nobody else wants to do. The lower classes are multiplied by a budding process that can create up to 96 identical clones and produce over 15,000 brothers and sisters from a single ovary.
All the babies are conditioned, physically and chemically in the bottle, and psychologically after birth, to make them happy citizens of the society with both a liking and an aptitude for the work they will do. One psychological conditioning technique is hypnopaedia, or teaching people while they sleep- not teaching facts or analysis, but planting suggestions that will make people behave in certain ways. The Director also makes plain that sex is a source of happiness, a game people play with anyone who pleases them.
The Controller, one of the ten men who run the world, explains some of the more profound principles on which the Utopia is based. One is that "history is bunk"; the society limits people's knowledge of the past so they will not be able to compare the present with anything that might make them want to change the present. Another principle is that people should have no emotions, particularly no painful emotions; blind happiness is necessary for stability. One of the things that guarantees happiness is a drug called soma, which calms you down and gets you high but never gives you a hangover. Another is the "feelies," movies that reach your sense of touch as well as your sight and hearing.
After Huxley presents these themes in the first three chapters, the story begins. Bernard Marx, an Alpha of the top class, is on the verge of falling in love with Lenina Crowne, a woman who works in the Embryo Room of the Hatchery. Lenina has been dating Henry Foster, a Hatchery scientist; her friend Fanny nags her because she hasn't seen any other man for four months. Lenina likes Bernard but doesn't fall in love with him. Falling in love is a sin in this world in which one has sex with everyone else, and she is a happy, conforming citizen of the Utopia.
Bernard is neither happy nor conforming. He's a bit odd; for one thing, he's small for an Alpha, in a world where every member of the same caste is alike. He likes to treasure his differences from his fellows, but he lacks the courage to fight for his right to be an individual. In contrast is his friend Helmholtz Watson, successful in sports, sex, and community activities, but openly dissatisfied because instead of writing something beautiful and powerful, his job is to turn out propaganda.
Bernard attends a solidarity service of the Fordian religion, a parody of Christianity as practiced in England in the 1920s. It culminates in a sexual orgy, but he doesn't feel the true rapture experienced by the other 11 members of his group.
Bernard then takes Lenina to visit a Savage Reservation in North America. While signing his permit to go, the Director tells Bernard how he visited the same Reservation as a young man, taking a young woman from London who disappeared and was presumed dead. He then threatens Bernard with exile to Iceland because Bernard is a nonconformist: he doesn't gobble up pleasure in his leisure time like an infant.
At the Reservation, Bernard and Lenina meet John, a handsome young Savage who, Bernard soon realizes, is the son of the Director. Clearly, the woman the Director had taken to the Reservation long ago had become pregnant as the result of an accident that the citizens of Utopia would consider obscene. John has a fantasy picture of the Utopia from his mother's tales and a knowledge of Shakespeare that he mistakes for a guide to reality.
Bernard gets permission from the Controller to bring John and Linda, his mother, back to London. The Director had called a public meeting to announce Bernard's exile, but by greeting the Director as lover and father, respectively, Linda and John turn him into an obscene joke. Bernard stays and becomes the center of attention of all London because he is, in effect, John's guardian, and everybody wants to meet the Savage. Linda goes into a permanent soma trance after her years of exile on the Reservation. John is taken to see all the attractions of new world society and doesn't like them. But he enjoys arguing with Helmholtz about them, and about Shakespeare.
Lenina has become popular because she is thought to be sleeping with the Savage. Everyone envies her and wants to know what it's like. But, in fact, while she wants to sleep with John, he refuses because he, too, has fallen in love with her- and he has taken from Shakespeare the old-fashioned idea that lovers should be pure. Not understanding this, she finally comes to his apartment and takes her clothes off. He throws her out, calling her a prostitute because he thinks she's immoral, even though he wants her desperately.
John then learns that his mother is dying. The hospital illustrates the Utopia's approach to death, which includes trying to completely eliminate grief and pain. When John goes to visit Linda he is devastated; his display of grief frightens children being taught that death is a pleasant and natural process. John grows so angry that he tries to bring the Utopia back to what he considers sanity and morality by disrupting the daily distribution of soma to lower-caste Delta workers. That leads to a riot; John, Bernard, and Helmholtz are arrested.
The three then confront the Controller, who explains more of the Utopia's principles. Their conversation reveals that the Utopia achieves its happiness by giving up science, art, religion, and other things that we prize in the real world. The Controller sends Bernard to Iceland, after all, and Helmholtz to the Falkland Islands. He keeps John in England, but John finds a place where he can lead a hermit's life, complete with suffering. His solitude is invaded by Utopians who want to see him suffer, as though it were a sideshow spectacle; when Lenina joins the mob, he kills himself.
THE CHARACTERS
Because this is a Utopian novel of ideas, few of the characters are three-dimensional people who come alive on the page. Most exist to voice ideas in words or to embody them in their behavior. John, Bernard, Helmholtz, and the Controller express ideas through real personalities, but you will enjoy most of the others more if you see them as cartoon characters rather than as full portraits that may seem so poorly drawn that they will disappoint you.
It boils down to social conditioning from birth.
The biggest "hoax" towards humanity being played out on the world stage is from the biggest liar of all time.
I am taking a shot in the dark and a guess at what might be the important connection and why TS is hinting so strongly at Elvis/ Michael parallels.
I am thinking it has alot to do with spirituality, numerology, and coming back as a different person. Michael is evolving from The king of Pop to a leader of The Army Of Love, etc. I am sure more...
Maybe the comparisons are to show that since Elvis gave up his old life so his brother could live, he had asked Linda if people would understand this?
Maybe Michael wants to know the same thing, will people understand him being a different person?
Jesse/Elvis wrote his book to explain to his fans why he did what he did, and he has seen the reactions of the people over the years and he has seen how people have used his name to make money. Now it seems like he wants to set these rumours, and money hungry dogs straight.
Perhaps that is what is going on with Michael, he is watching our reactions and he sees the rumours and the dirty dogs making money off his name. Perhaps he would like to set records straight too.
Whether it comes from God himself or just life in general, the energy you put out is what you get in return. What you focus on will become your reality. The negativity you hold onto is going to eat you alive from the inside out. I know from experience. The results of always focusing on negativity will keep you in a unhappy place.
by Im_convincedmjalive » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:14 am
Wow!
I am not surprised by all this in-fighting and confusion happening now. I am really learning alot about Human Nature. At the first sign of trouble, the family falls apart instead of rallying together. The NWO doesn't have to do a thing to us, we are doing it to ourselves and falling nicely into the chaos.
None of what has happened in History is TS' fault. I take his information as a blessing. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn about these horrific crimes upon humanity by the real enemy.
Some people will never be satisfied and I realized that a while ago when I tried to comfort a few members by letting them know they weren't alone. LOL... that fell on blind eyes to the very ones I was addressing.
There is absolutely NOTHING that TS could say now that would be good enough for those who are unwilling to live without fear.
Some people expressed fear over the redirect to Bahrain, thinking that would expose Michael to the enemy and say where he is hiding. LOL... come on. We are speculating he is hiding there. We have absolutely no proof he is there. A redirect from TS does not prove he is in hiding there. It does explain that IF he is there, he won't be extradited to USA because there is no extradition treaty. That is GENIUS. Pointing out a possible place won't necessarily put him in danger either. If anything drawing more public attention to this "hoax" and exposing the NWO for what they are is like shining a bright light on the dirty rats.
Do you honestly think they would dare try something now when we are aware of them? I will be the first to snitch on them if they dared to make an attempt now on Michael's life. He is safer now than he has ever been. People now know of the plots on his life and ours. He has so much security around him, it is probably like Fort Knox.
"Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you."
I John 3:13
How do people end up adopting these ways?
It all begins in the human mind! The people of Noah's day knew of God,
and His judgment on the world. Evidence of their world-wide flood was
everywhere. Some of their ancestors who lived through it were still alive.
Yet, all it took was a couple of hundred years to bring them together once
again - united against God! Why?
What caused the people to turn so quickly against the God who created
them? What was behind all of their rising animosity? Simply, there was
ideology being pumped into the masses on a large scale - the same ideology
which individually produced a change of heart before the flood. This
ultimately, again, worked to seduce the overall majority of the populous.
This became their own, ancient version of "political correctness"
Culture - a definition:
“… a pattern of behavior, learned, developed or otherwise… that has
worked well enough to be considered valid and, therefore, to be taught to
new members as the correct way to perceive, think and feel in relation to
those problems.”
Edgar H Schein,
Organizational Culture and Leadership 201,
p. 1
The great "veil" that Mystery Babylon hides behind, back then as well as
today, often involves "political correctness". Certain views are flooding into
our society. Today, it is through a propaganda "machine" - a progressively
left-leaning news media, entertainment media, and academia. The
political bombardment by these media outlets have the same effect on our
world as Hitler's propaganda "machine" did in the 1940's! Back then, people
were seduced by certain ideologies, and wanted to feel good about being
"politically correct", so they began to adopt whatever the 'movers and
shakers' around them told them was right. It's all the same today - only
from a different theological viewpoint.
There is one fact about the human mind - it is divided into two halves, with
a "left" and "right" brain. One side or the other usually dominates the
individual's thought. Those with "right-brain" dominance often seem to think
with their "heart", or their emotions. They can be more passionate, artistic,
and open to new experiences. Those with "left-brain" dominance, however,
may often tend to think with their "head" - with logical, rational thoughts;
with less emotion.
Funny, those with this "right-brain" dominance seem to run parallel with
those who adopt a number of ideals of this "left" wing. As stated in
Politically Correct Babylon, those who take on these political views often
look at the world in terms of how compassionate or fair something is, or
how much impact something would have on their individual freedom. Again,
emotions, compassion, and freedom of ideology often come into play, in
these cases. Facts often mean little to these people - it's perception that
matters; how they feel about it.
What begins to lead a person to follow these modems of thought often starts
at a young age - when their mind is young. All it may take is one or two
traumatic events in childhood to start to turn someone towards these ways
of thinking. Sure, bad things happen to all people. It's how we react to the
negative aspects life that matter. Those who begin to go down the
"politically correct" way of Babylon and, ultimately, the "Ways of Cain",
begin to take on the same mindset as many people did back in the Tower of
Babel.
Many who maintain these "left" thoughts often want the world to be a
certain way, and just plain cannot accept the reality that it isn't. Any fool
can see that we are not the same - we have differences in culture and ways
of life that separate us - some that can be downright negative. True, we
should all get along. True, we all have rights; but, collectively, we have to
put something into a society before we get something out of it! A lot of
people think they are entitled to "40 acres and a mule" without having to
work to achieve it. Some scream out "where's my program" and "where's
my money", but cannot understand, nor would be willing to accept, personal
sacrifice. There is truly no honor - in the classical sense - in many people,
now a days.
True, life is not fair, but we also must realize it became that way because of
Adam and Eve's sin. Our world is this way because of man's sin, not God.
Some people want to continually blame God for their own situations and
failures. True, some things happen that are truly not our fault, but, more
often than not, people get themselves in their own situations.
As with Cain, people also begin to believe the world begins to revolve
around themselves, and not God.
These "Way of Cain" are truly coming back to us - full circle.
What do we do about it, to stop our world from collapsing under the weight
of these detrimental ways of life? First, realize it's so easy to "play the
victim" as Cain did, and avoid the real truths of life. It's so easy to twist the
reality of things, to try to get away from personal responsibility. Be strong;
don't cower at the first sign of bad weather.
It is this whole sense of "entitlement without effort" that drains money and
strength from any society - this happened in the past, collapsing so many
cultures and empires before us; and it is happening again, in our modern day.
Why can't more of us see through this political "veil" of Mystery Babylon?
Why are people acting just like they did when Semiramis and Nimrod ruled?
It's because there are a number of people in key positions around us,
intentionally or unintentionally contributing to our own blindness. A person
in the media, for example, might not like something or someone around
them. They will make the politics of the entire situation sound as favorable
to their beliefs as possible. These people might report on the exception of
the story, rather than the rule. Instead of reporting on the 99 times out of
100 something works, they concentrate on the 1 time it didn't - all to make
the entire system look bad. This is one of the easiest ways to twist a story,
destroy authority, and bring others on the same ideological band wagon!
Once someone, by these manipulations, begins to concentrate on how
negative the 1 exception is, they begin to consider the political thoughts of
the agitator. This is how ideological change slowly manipulated the masses
in Nazi Germany; this is how it works today.
What results, on a grand scale, is that the ways of God and the Bible are
twisted, and made to look bad. God and the Bible now become a person's
"oppressor" - a way to take away individual freedoms; a way to stifle
compassion! As a result, the ways of Babylon and Cain become the keys to
"true" ways to compassion and freedom!
Just notice how many Christian values are being shunned, today - the
ideologies taking it's place are none other than these self-centered, pagan
concepts. We, at Mystery-Babylon.org, ask the individual to not be
influenced by empty thoughts of "political correctness", and not fall to the
political morals portrayed by much of the media, but rather discover where
these ideological thoughts actually might come from.
We need to discover what actually are the "Ways of Cain"; we need to
decipher what actually comes from Babylon. The more we know, the closer
to understanding the true direction the world is heading, as well the ancient
force that's continually heading us there!
In the end, we need to ask ourselves a couple of questions: where do many
of these "politically correct" ideologies and political thoughts come from if
they don't come from the Bible and God? Also, in what direction would
these thoughts ultimately head us towards if not God? Could they being
heading us, not forwards, but backwards - towards the same "one world
government" that was once Babylon?
Please get it together family.
Peace
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
Just a thought Chappie...!
Why don't you PM Mo to ask her where the sheep have gone...? Then post the link as it seems to be of interest to the discussion at hand!
With L.O.V.E
I believe that Souza was the shepherd bringing in the sheep.....
So how can Mo know where the sheep are?
Perhaps in a stable hiding from the cold?
This needs further investigation for sure!
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
Just a thought Chappie...!
Why don't you PM Mo to ask her where the sheep have gone...? Then post the link as it seems to be of interest to the discussion at hand!
With L.O.V.E
I believe that Souza was the shepherd bringing in the sheep.....
So how can Mo know where the sheep are?
Perhaps in a stable hiding from the cold?
This needs further investigation for sure!
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Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I definitely beLIEve that it deserves a much more thorough investigation... Mo may have some sheep... and may have written on them .... I really don't know!
We once had painted cows in London, but well... a cow is not a sheep!
Whatever, thanks for the post TS, I went through it and from what I understand, things are highly complex and not too easy to understand because there are things that cannot be be said, for so called good reasons. That seems to be the frustration we have to deal with and that sometimes leads to speculations in a maybe wrong direction. All in all I stick to keeping the faith;there is enough evidence in total!
I was not going to comment on this thread but I feel I have to. TS has addressed some of the questions but not all that have been raised. We have people defending TS and I feel that TS is capable of defending their opinions and theories themselves and anything anyone writes on their behalf is just that individuals opinion and perception. TS should be responding for themselves.
On the Graphology issue:
Graphology is not forensic document examination to determine authorship of a document.
Graphology is the analysis of writing to reveal personality and/or psychological characteristics of an individual (this may include diseases of the brain and/or nervous system). It is mainly used in employment issues to analyze suitability for a position or promotion.
Linda submitted an autograph by Jesse, signed as Elvis Presley, to a company which certifies autographs on memorabilia. This analysis was done through an online analysis of the handwriting and she received a letter of online authenticity. This was certified as Elvis' autograph but this type of analysis is not admissible in court.
Linda then submitted the same autograph for an actual hands on analysis and could not obtain authentication because the autograph was in the book which had been published in 2001 and Elvis had reportedly died in 1977. Again, this means that this autograph could not be used to prove that Jesse is Elvis because it can not be certified forensically as having been written by Elvis. It would not be accepted by a court as evidence of Jesse being Elvis and therefore that Elvis is alive. If it would be acceptable, Eliza would have submitted this evidence to support the Jesse DNA in her paternity case. (I haven't heard if that has been done or not). Fox News had the documents forensically analyzed and could not get them certified as having been written by Elvis either; the results were inconclusive.
Now, I am in no way saying that Linda's evidence is fake nor that she is a fraud. What I am saying is that though we may believe her (and as a matter of fact I do) that this does not LEGALLY prove that Jesse is Elvis. The case against Dr. Hinton would have been dropped by the AG because though this analysis can not legally prove that Jesse is Elvis, it raises enough "REASONABLE DOUBT" in the case, that Dr. Hinton would not have been convicted of the the charge of fraud which had been brought against him.
The Eliza DNA Evidence:
Mo has shown that the there are "Chain of Custody" issues with the DNA in the Eliza paternity case.
Chain of Custody
The chain of custody begins when an item of evidence is collected, and the chain is maintained until the evidence is disposed of. The chain of custody assures continuous accountability. This accountability is important because, if not properly maintained, an item may be inadmissible in court. http://www.tpub.com/legalman/80.htm
What is the Chain of Custody procedure?
"Chain of custody" refers to the proper management or control of the DNA samples throughout the testing process. First, it requires a neutral third party to verify the identity of the individuals being tested and collect their DNA samples. Following that, the DNA samples and appropriate paperwork (including signed copies of identification papers) need to be delivered to the testing location ensuring that they have not been tampered with. Finally, the DNA laboratory performing the test needs to ensure they handle the DNA samples and paperwork correctly by tracking and documenting the DNA samples throughout all of the testing process. If the procedures are followed correctly, this will allow the laboratory to issue notarized test results that can be stand up in court.
Legal DNA Paternity Test
In essence, a legal paternity test is a test in which the DNA samples are collected by an independent third party who becomes responsible for confirming the identities of the persons who are taking part in the test and assumes general responsibility for assuring that the DNA samples are not in any way tampered with. Therefore whilst in a home paternity DNA test, samples are usually collected by the participants themselves in their own home environment, a legal DNA paternity test usually necessitates a visit to a clinic or laboratory where the specialist will collect the samples.
Chain of Custody
This procedure is called maintaining the ‘chain of custody', and is necessary in order to ensure that the test results are reliable, valid and that this fact can be witnessed by an independent third party. For this reason, results of a home DNA paternity test cannot be used in a court of law, because there is no way of proving without doubt that the persons participating in the test on paper are indeed the same persons who have provided the DNA samples. So, for example, a person who does not wish to provide child support may send a sample from another person instead of his own, using a home DNA paternity test. For this reason, the results of a home DNA paternity test can be used for ‘informational' purposes only. http://www.articlesbase.com/mental-health-articles/legal-dna-paternity-testing-court-admissible-dna-test-legal-dna-test-2013385.html
Okay, so a lab did verify that there are links between the DNA samples but it did not collect the DNA nor did it verify from whom the DNA was collected, so this is the issue with the Chain of Custody on this DNA. Therefore the DNA may be considered inadmissible because it has not been gathered in such a way as is required to be considered in the courts.
This does not mean that Eliza is being deceitful or that the DNA isn't from the people she says it is. It does mean that there is a good chance that this case may be dismissed. It leaves the door open for the defense to ask the judge to dismiss this evidence because it does not meet the chain of custody for evidence requirements and without this evidence there is no paternity case.
The real issue here is that TS said this in update number 6:
After 33 years of question and debate over whether Elvis Presley faked his death: we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! And this is not based on some lunatic fantasy whims, that Elvis is living on a paradise island; no, this is documented evidence which is so strong, that it’s the basis for a legal case which is already in court. And to top it all off: there’s a good chance that this will all be hitting the news this summer!
Yes, DNA evidence is scientific proof but it is not legally admissible, if it is has not been collected in such a way that follows the procedures of chain of custody for evidence as required. Graphology is not accepted by the courts and there has been no certification by a forensic document examiner on anything written by Jesse. The problem here is that TS has led us to believe that the outcome of Eliza's case will be Elvis' "bam" and that this was most likely going to occur this past summer. Well, Eliza's court case was not decided this last summer, the issues with the DNA may cause the case to be dismissed, if that happens than Eliza may try to appeal. The Eliza/Vernon/Elvis case is no where near being decided at all, as here we are in December and it is no further along than it was when update number 6 was posted on June 16, 2010. This case could be settled within a few months or it could take years still. There has been nothing in all of this that LEGALLY proves so far that Elvis is alive.
We are all free to believe whatever we choose but no matter what we believe, no matter what our common sense may tell us...this is not legal proof nor is the general public going to accept anything less than legal proof of Elvis actually being alive. Linda has loads of "evidence", there has been a book written by Dr. Hinton, there has been multiple sightings, there are photos, there has been media coverage, there is even DNA; none of it has been enough. What TS has brought to the table is nothing new and it hasn't proven anything beyond what was already known in the Elvis case. What has happened is that more people are personally believing that Elvis is alive and seeing the connection to the possibility that Michael also hoaxed his death...but we already knew that. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
That´s another question.
Why sending such a document to a graphologist when the procedure would be sending it to a department with calligraphic expertise (forensic handwriting) wich is a discipline of criminology and accepted by court?
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But seriously, done with it. I'm feeling as if I'm missing vital information for some reason, so I'm not going to judge any of it. Oh how I wish we could all get together in one room and speak to each other normally...so many things get miscontrued and I think this medium of communication is the culprit, just because so many things can be "lost in translation" if you will, and we miss important things like body language and tone of voice, not to mention cultural differences...making it very easy to misunderstand or not fully understand each other...
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jaci
Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
Just a thought Chappie...!
Why don't you PM Mo to ask her where the sheep have gone...? Then post the link as it seems to be of interest to the discussion at hand!
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I support you Souza. From what little I know of Mo; it doesn't sound like her, so I understand all the questioning. I've also noticed to my <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum. That Sucks.
Keep The Faith guys
People, it is a quite funny situation... You fight for who disagree's more with the other side... There is logic in all sides and that should be respected. And why seeing red flags? For someone checking in his laptop twice a day for new posts your reaction is amusing. What could I possibly do? Cast a spell on you through the internet and change your minds? <!-- s
Anyway, I said that about *Mo*, because people kept telling her she lost herself and things like that. Changing one's mind could also mean reconsideration. And I vote for that in this case. Of course I was not here to defend you from the attacks made to you. I am not a savior or anything like that. I just felt the same misunderstanding on her views as well in mine, Puff's and other people's here, so I answered. Although, I have to admit that my being linked to some kind of conspirancy was quite predictable. I don't care after all.
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Call it instinct or a gut feeling or whatever you like, but there's bad juju out n about with this situ.
Woo woo, you know?
I am soo with you. Soo done with this whole rediculous debate. I will chose to believe what I see as reasonable. Period.
"...But, note that not everything is motivated by "the dark side of the force". Stop searching for Darth Sidious. Personally I am more like Qui-Gon Jinn, if you know what I mean..."
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In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."What I don't understand though is why are people questioning the the numerogoly TS has presented to us right now.. Ive always had these questions in my mind , and I find it rather odd , that some are questioning those things right now as it is something new , while numerology has been a big part of TS posts since the beginning..
I think Mo made really good points on this thread though..
*thinking*
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I believe that Souza was the shepherd bringing in the sheep.....
So how can Mo know where the sheep are?
Perhaps in a stable hiding from the cold?
This needs further investigation for sure!
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We once had painted cows in London, but well... a cow is not a sheep!
Take care...
With L.O.V.E
Breaking news the new Black and White release!
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On the Graphology issue:
Graphology is not forensic document examination to determine authorship of a document.
Graphology is the analysis of writing to reveal personality and/or psychological characteristics of an individual (this may include diseases of the brain and/or nervous system). It is mainly used in employment issues to analyze suitability for a position or promotion.
Linda submitted an autograph by Jesse, signed as Elvis Presley, to a company which certifies autographs on memorabilia. This analysis was done through an online analysis of the handwriting and she received a letter of online authenticity. This was certified as Elvis' autograph but this type of analysis is not admissible in court.
Linda then submitted the same autograph for an actual hands on analysis and could not obtain authentication because the autograph was in the book which had been published in 2001 and Elvis had reportedly died in 1977. Again, this means that this autograph could not be used to prove that Jesse is Elvis because it can not be certified forensically as having been written by Elvis. It would not be accepted by a court as evidence of Jesse being Elvis and therefore that Elvis is alive. If it would be acceptable, Eliza would have submitted this evidence to support the Jesse DNA in her paternity case. (I haven't heard if that has been done or not). Fox News had the documents forensically analyzed and could not get them certified as having been written by Elvis either; the results were inconclusive.
Now, I am in no way saying that Linda's evidence is fake nor that she is a fraud. What I am saying is that though we may believe her (and as a matter of fact I do) that this does not LEGALLY prove that Jesse is Elvis. The case against Dr. Hinton would have been dropped by the AG because though this analysis can not legally prove that Jesse is Elvis, it raises enough "REASONABLE DOUBT" in the case, that Dr. Hinton would not have been convicted of the the charge of fraud which had been brought against him.
The Eliza DNA Evidence:
Mo has shown that the there are "Chain of Custody" issues with the DNA in the Eliza paternity case.
Chain of Custody
The chain of custody begins when an item of evidence is collected, and the chain is maintained until the evidence is disposed of. The chain of custody assures continuous accountability. This accountability is important because, if not properly maintained, an item may be inadmissible in court.
http://www.tpub.com/legalman/80.htm
What is the Chain of Custody procedure?
"Chain of custody" refers to the proper management or control of the DNA samples throughout the testing process. First, it requires a neutral third party to verify the identity of the individuals being tested and collect their DNA samples. Following that, the DNA samples and appropriate paperwork (including signed copies of identification papers) need to be delivered to the testing location ensuring that they have not been tampered with. Finally, the DNA laboratory performing the test needs to ensure they handle the DNA samples and paperwork correctly by tracking and documenting the DNA samples throughout all of the testing process. If the procedures are followed correctly, this will allow the laboratory to issue notarized test results that can be stand up in court.
Legal DNA Paternity Test
In essence, a legal paternity test is a test in which the DNA samples are collected by an independent third party who becomes responsible for confirming the identities of the persons who are taking part in the test and assumes general responsibility for assuring that the DNA samples are not in any way tampered with. Therefore whilst in a home paternity DNA test, samples are usually collected by the participants themselves in their own home environment, a legal DNA paternity test usually necessitates a visit to a clinic or laboratory where the specialist will collect the samples.
Chain of Custody
This procedure is called maintaining the ‘chain of custody', and is necessary in order to ensure that the test results are reliable, valid and that this fact can be witnessed by an independent third party. For this reason, results of a home DNA paternity test cannot be used in a court of law, because there is no way of proving without doubt that the persons participating in the test on paper are indeed the same persons who have provided the DNA samples. So, for example, a person who does not wish to provide child support may send a sample from another person instead of his own, using a home DNA paternity test. For this reason, the results of a home DNA paternity test can be used for ‘informational' purposes only.
http://www.articlesbase.com/mental-health-articles/legal-dna-paternity-testing-court-admissible-dna-test-legal-dna-test-2013385.html
Okay, so a lab did verify that there are links between the DNA samples but it did not collect the DNA nor did it verify from whom the DNA was collected, so this is the issue with the Chain of Custody on this DNA. Therefore the DNA may be considered inadmissible because it has not been gathered in such a way as is required to be considered in the courts.
This does not mean that Eliza is being deceitful or that the DNA isn't from the people she says it is. It does mean that there is a good chance that this case may be dismissed. It leaves the door open for the defense to ask the judge to dismiss this evidence because it does not meet the chain of custody for evidence requirements and without this evidence there is no paternity case.
The real issue here is that TS said this in update number 6:
Yes, DNA evidence is scientific proof but it is not legally admissible, if it is has not been collected in such a way that follows the procedures of chain of custody for evidence as required. Graphology is not accepted by the courts and there has been no certification by a forensic document examiner on anything written by Jesse. The problem here is that TS has led us to believe that the outcome of Eliza's case will be Elvis' "bam" and that this was most likely going to occur this past summer. Well, Eliza's court case was not decided this last summer, the issues with the DNA may cause the case to be dismissed, if that happens than Eliza may try to appeal. The Eliza/Vernon/Elvis case is no where near being decided at all, as here we are in December and it is no further along than it was when update number 6 was posted on June 16, 2010. This case could be settled within a few months or it could take years still. There has been nothing in all of this that LEGALLY proves so far that Elvis is alive.
We are all free to believe whatever we choose but no matter what we believe, no matter what our common sense may tell us...this is not legal proof nor is the general public going to accept anything less than legal proof of Elvis actually being alive. Linda has loads of "evidence", there has been a book written by Dr. Hinton, there has been multiple sightings, there are photos, there has been media coverage, there is even DNA; none of it has been enough. What TS has brought to the table is nothing new and it hasn't proven anything beyond what was already known in the Elvis case. What has happened is that more people are personally believing that Elvis is alive and seeing the connection to the possibility that Michael also hoaxed his death...but we already knew that. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
How do you guys interpret that?
Why sending such a document to a graphologist when the procedure would be sending it to a department with calligraphic expertise (forensic handwriting) wich is a discipline of criminology and accepted by court?