OMG great topic I always wanted to know how everyone would react <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I think Michael would wanna read topics like these to get ready lools <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> But anyway I will be relieved and jubilant to finally have him back <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I mean I will never ever let him slip away from me that fast again I just can't lools. I am praying for Michael's safe return and that he is happy and better than ever, then I might be able to get some sleep at night lools <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> . But I might cry for a few mins then start my I told u so speech <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> then dance a little <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> Scream he lives then just keep posted on him all day <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Of ocurse I woul love to kepe in touch with my big Mj Family tho I love u guys forever now <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> !!!!!!
Sorry for such a long post yall <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
All i know is if he pops up somewhere and suddenly it's headline news that hes alive and its REAL, i;m getting my MJ gear out and throwing an MJ theme party <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> everyone can come as their fav MJ moment, thriller BOW , TWYMMF, SC, i don't care <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I'm going to feel really good but at the same time I'm going to feel sad becuse it have been almost eight month sharing with you guys and investigating seen clues and in spectative for someting new but we know that anytihng is forever so one day this have to end and that day we are going to have many feelings and yes hapiness is one of them but I hope that just because michael come back and everything we are not going to leave the forums and that because of him we re a family in this adventure in his advunture.
someting is very sure he is alive and we must continuos spreading the message: love.
and this is making people realize about many others thing media, lies, money, even the illuminatis for who believe in this teories but we all want one thing the truth
love for everyone. I dont know you but I love you <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
The day we find out MJ is "with us" and hopefully "back" I will cry with such relief and then do the happy dance of "i told you so" all over my friends who are non believers. I will show them im not crazy and shammmmmme on them. I will be so relieved this horrible rollercoaster ride is overwith. I HATE rollercoasters. They make me feel ill. At times i have been so depressed and sad and wanted this journey to be overwith so bad. If it hadnt been for this forum i wouldnt have had a place to channel all my feelings (Thank God for you guys). But i dont NEED this forum. Its just a blessing that its here. I will continue to visit this forum though and contiue to post my feelings about MJ and his family with friends just because it will be enjoyable to visit with others who love those who i love <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> I dont like this "game, journey, life lesson or whatever it is called" because it has definitely AGED me. I dont want to ever feel this kind of STRESS again. I have felt as though i have lost a very close family member and that loss was horrible. Then finding the hoax thread gave me hope but also a horrible journey of hope and discouragement over and over. It has not been fun. I think this forum will be awesome for us to come to and discuss and enjoy our beloved Michael and his family.
Thank you all for being my friends.
loveratheart4mj aka cuddles_1960 (in yahoo) aka Sheryll in Oklahoma
The day we find out MJ is "with us" and hopefully "back" I will cry with such relief and then do the happy dance of "i told you so" all over my friends who are non believers. I will show them im not crazy and shammmmmme on them.
How about: embrace them and "shamone" on them <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ?
I never smiled so much before like now when a "non-believer" repeats media crap to me as proof why Michael must be dead.
I will for sure say (I am human, God forgive) "I knew it and you never believed me".
I don't assume they will gather around me to hear auntie Grace's fairy tale but I hope they will join me in laughing a breaking hole in the walls around us. They already looked at me like an alien (we witnessed a green man from outer space, too, didn't we? <!-- s --><!-- s -->) so I can take some more... <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> I learned to laugh about nobody else more than myself since June. If that doesn't help, I don't know... <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
A lot of mixed emotions to be honest. Relieved that he is ok, ectastic that he's alive and sad that this whole adventure is over. But overall I think I'll probably be ectastic! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
ahhh....... now how do i answer that?... i will cry. the moment i'd hear it i will cry as hell!i'm sure all of us will not be in a "normal" state of mind that day. i will cry and laugh at the same time. i'd faint. i will scream! i will laugh! i will cry for joy! then i will do anything, i mean anything, to fly to wherever Michael would be to see him, to touch him, to hug him. these 10 months+ however long he takes to come back, will be more than enough to drive me crazy for wanting to hug him and hold him so tight for so long. i wouldn't mind if i die in his arms.
i will try and tell him how much i love him (that if i ever get to talk to him), i will tell him that we share the same dream that is to be happily married and have a beautiful family with wonderful children. i will ask him if he would marry me.... cause i know what he deserves.. how much love and care he deserves. and i KNOW i will give him more than that.
ok now coming back to reality, i will give a speech to my family and friends and whoever didn't believe me, called me mental, psycho and even wacko, a "prejudice is ignorance", "just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's the gospel", "innocent until proven guilty, alive until proven dead" titled speech lol.
i will feel tired, exhausted, relieved, happy, a li'l depressed as the greatest show on earth would come to an end. but as long as Michael is happy and well, i will be the happiest person in the world. Michael's well being, safety and happiness is all i ever ask for. i hope he will be showered by all the love the world could hold.
yearh, and then we can keep an eye on Jermaine, cause he's probally gonna hoax his death when Michael comes back, trying to get attention <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Well I won't be so obsessive in finding all the answers with that one.
That is a good question but a tough one for me to answer.
I don't 100% fully know what we're looking for as we investigate the hoax. Therefore how will I know when it's over? It might already be over and I just haven't realized it yet.
Any idea what it is going to take for this search for the truth to be over?
# if he returns, how do we know it isn't a double?
# he has so much explaining to do that he might as well make a 3 hour film and name it:"Why and how I hoaxed my death". And even that could create a new hoax!
# So many people will have so many questions.
# So many people and the press will have so much criticism and those are going to crusify him all over again. I am sure Michael knows this and is not looking forward to it!
# I don't know when and if he is going to return, but this story is not over yet. That I know for sure.
# Some say Michael never said :"See you in July 2009". But why did they sell all those tickets for the concert in July 2009?
If MJ decided to re-emerge to public life, the world as we know it will never be the same again.
The hoax deth of Michael Jackson, would re-write all the history books.
The world will be a different place, and people will become more aware of what is really going on around us, so for this reason, it will affect not only us believers,
but will effect the whole world as we have never seen anything like this before!!
I will just be proud and delighted that I believed and never gave up hope even we things were against us. I want to stay in touch with everyone on the forum and share out feelings.
I feel sad that Michael Jackson had to endure so much pain and was forced to do this in the first place.
I would love to continue to show him all the love and support , and share it with you guys!
I hope that maybe we can show out faces to eachother after its all over. That would be nice to put a face to the usernames!!!!!!!!!!!As always, with unconditional L.O.V.E xoxoxo
for me its sorta over, dont think he made it out of the kill box, and if he had, so much time has now passed - that i cant see why he is waiting,
the feeling that why would he allow these infidels to control the most important aspects of his life in such a long absense does not make sense.
so it is over, just waiting for the trial
but the true pushes the true haters the most influential business haters will count their fiscal rewards and just look for the next deal to cut
question i find more interesting is what will it take for you to believe its over. yes the obvious mike - appearing - then yes of course. but otherwise?
I look at it this way: before concluding any outcome, I have to go through the structure of an investigation and respective checklists. The amount of "yes" / "no" answers will give some direction of what could be possibly a description of the "case".
Which are:
1) the motivation
2) the overall goal
3) the objectives (measurable)
4) the measures leading to the results
5) the opportunities to execute the measures
6) potential helpers
Let's start with the motivation for a kill box scenario:
- money related: do you kill the golden cow you are milking? not likely.
A cow goes only to the butcher when it does not give any milk anymore and is only eating hay thus producing cost and no profit. This you do to a cow that has no voice.
Doing that to MJ would mean he had no voice and was one amongst others. Was this the case?
So death IMO is only an option if the $$$ following the death will be more than continuing alive. This is an investor's view (they have overtaken music business as well and MJ was no case for a bad bank): capital rent in the long run must justify short-time investments. Which means when one gives one dollar to finance a show, film, performance, art project, he expects two in return. Did that happen? I don't have the exact figures but yes, the death option was likely more successful in turnover and profit than the alive option, to date.
How does the death option pay off in the long run?
You keep a fog of "maybe, maybe not" as major marketing route in order to keep folks emotionally hooked (I would say to keep them abused but that's not a valid or important argument to marketing strategists). So marketing may at every second determine what folks are doing (in other words buying thus increasing the $$$).
Announcement of unreleased material of a dead one? All will be running to get some copy.
Announcement of return of a dead one? Some may turn away saying "I was fooled" and would feel / claim having been emotionally abused thus reducing financial and reputational success of the overall strategy. Some may not afford the tickets.
Some may lose interest as "the case" is solved etc. Some may rush to get the tickets. Some may (now) say: you never know who is on stage, if it's the real deal. Some would run there exactly driven by the doubt and try to find out during concert whether the man is really the man (remember Barnums "What is it?" exhibition).
In any case there would be uproar throughout the world if the "dead" would return on stage.
For the better, for the worse?
- not money related: I have not seen any aspect of MJ's life not being related to money when it comes to people around MJ. MJ himself would be the only person IMHO who could have had also a non-money-related motivation to chose the kill box (hoax his death). This could have been a spiritual reason (religion), an ethical reason (dangers of today's society), a family related reason (general - heart doctor /family doctor theme, personal - sharing the last years with his mom e.g.), an environmental concern (Amazon theme) or another motivation like V for Vendetta e.g..
Detailing the motivation one could go on with "MJ's personal motivation / MJ's business related motivation / entourage motivation / entourage business related motivation" and other specifics. All other parts of an investigation structure may follow.
My personal conclusion after these months is that the kill box was playing a major part in the story but that MJ did turn the chess table around redefining the rules following his intentions.
I do not see any need for MJ to come back and certainly not soon as the seeds are just growing small plants. He needs strong trees though.
I still recommend a good soda, popcorn and a cosy sofa, well tied ropes and a safety jacket during the trial. We will continue to see mud fights and more and more lies.
I just personally hope the kids will not be called in to testify.
Will the hoax be over with the sentence? I don't know, to be honest.
There's much more to expose, there's endless subjects to get our hands and attention on.
And if MJ's motivation had to do with exposure, there cannot be a final point of "game over".
yes you could kill the golden goose cow or what ever if that goose cow did not do what you said and you could earn money regardless of them being alive - pp get murdered for less
i dont think this is murder in the strict sense i think this started long ago - it just got worse - till a predictable outcome - think that is way the jackson family are a bit distanced from the whole experience
dont think this is a marketing campaign mike knew his worth - god one man who knew it when you watch footage of him in neverland - when he is just talking you can see he was the whole package - humble but he knew - he was great and he did not disappoint. he did not need to big himself up by faking his death have you seen the awards he had
OK, one last remark on the off-topic kill box:
MJ was in the eye for some when he started his success.
He was without any doubt a target for all kinds of interests.
As to greed, there is one main characteristic: greed never stops and knows no borders nor shame.
Consequently a greedy entourage and responsible business partners having $$$ in their eyes will go for more $$$ without any respect or final "it's enough now".
We are all witnessing this these days in banking, finance, politics, corruption, lobbyism, "journalism" (or should we say information management) etc. and this borderlessness is impacting our live on many levels and in many realities.
Most of us are no-names having no voice as an individual and therefore nobody cares if a brave father will lose job, house and shelter for his family due to investor's greedy speculations.
MJ has a voice. He was silenced twice. But he never stopped having a voice.
The only difference in between the TII preparations and former performances to me is that he might have been treated as a pure investment object and not as an artist as the generations of music business managers and their attitudes have changed.
This in addition may have prompted him to finally say "No" to the $$$ vultures.
This is all my vivid imagination of a very strong character defending justice, his personal honor and reputation.
MJ achieved the $$$ goal with the least effort but by paying a very high price.
Bumping this up again one year later - how will you feel now when it'll be over?
I will be missing the family here for sure. I will miss the steelheaded and the warmhearted, the fulltime investigators and the lurkers, the longtime fellows and the newbies - you guys!
I will be missing the discussions whether this or that were an indication of a clue or a fact or an illusion or a time warp. I will be missing the back and forth defense of standpoints and the agreement on disagreement. I will be missing how we continued steadily despite so many attempts to divert our attention, separate our intentions and put our fundamentals on a pair of gold scales.
I would for sure love to know from Michael how he'll be feeling after all, whether he had a great sabbatical or not, what he did, what he liked, what he disliked, what astonished him, what came unexpected, what he learned from us, what he valued the most.
I have no idea if he would be willing to let us know but I'd love to know how he lived that time.
Was he satisfied with the results? Was he happy? Puzzled? Hectic? Finding a rest? Finding his peace after all? Finding a clearer view on friends and foes and pharisees?
I guess he laughed his socks off many, many times. (And sure will continue to...)
So this goes to everyone out there, also to you, Michael:
how will you feel when it'll be over? I am curious to know.
I'll feel blessed, exhilarated and thankful that I was a part of this journey and that I have been a part of this fantastic forum family, I too will miss all you guys so much but I'll also be relieved that he's back with us officially. I'll try not to say I told you so, much as I'd like to! When he "died" and before I figured out he hadn't actually gone I was so grief-stricken and it felt like a huge light had gone out in the world. The world without MJ just didn't seem real, and I'm glad I followed my instincts and stayed aware and always had that "this is MJ we're talking about, of course it could be a hoax" feeling. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> As long as he's okay I'll just feel thankful and at peace, no matter what comes next.
I would feel great en releaved when he's back, but I also would miss searching and reading about all the clues and other interesting things here.
I think and hope this family will stay together also when he's back.
We can share all the news about everything he has to say and the reactions from the press and the people to his being alive and the hoax.
Lot's more to discuss IMO ... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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someting is very sure he is alive and we must continuos spreading the message: love.
and this is making people realize about many others thing media, lies, money, even the illuminatis for who believe in this teories but we all want one thing the truth
love for everyone. I dont know you but I love you <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Thank you all for being my friends.
loveratheart4mj aka cuddles_1960 (in yahoo) aka Sheryll in Oklahoma
How about: embrace them and "shamone" on them <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ?
I never smiled so much before like now when a "non-believer" repeats media crap to me as proof why Michael must be dead.
I will for sure say (I am human, God forgive) "I knew it and you never believed me".
I don't assume they will gather around me to hear auntie Grace's fairy tale but I hope they will join me in laughing a breaking hole in the walls around us. They already looked at me like an alien (we witnessed a green man from outer space, too, didn't we? <!-- s
like bob ewing
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what would you do if it was announced that mike would be doing the o2 shows? then he came to the 02?
i will try and tell him how much i love him (that if i ever get to talk to him), i will tell him that we share the same dream that is to be happily married and have a beautiful family with wonderful children. i will ask him if he would marry me.... cause i know what he deserves.. how much love and care he deserves. and i KNOW i will give him more than that.
ok now coming back to reality, i will give a speech to my family and friends and whoever didn't believe me, called me mental, psycho and even wacko, a "prejudice is ignorance", "just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's the gospel", "innocent until proven guilty, alive until proven dead" titled speech lol.
i will feel tired, exhausted, relieved, happy, a li'l depressed as the greatest show on earth would come to an end. but as long as Michael is happy and well, i will be the happiest person in the world. Michael's well being, safety and happiness is all i ever ask for. i hope he will be showered by all the love the world could hold.
I will cry tears of gladness and finally sigh a huge relief once it is all over and Michael is back
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Exactly my thoughts
Any idea what it is going to take for this search for the truth to be over?
# if he returns, how do we know it isn't a double?
# he has so much explaining to do that he might as well make a 3 hour film and name it:"Why and how I hoaxed my death". And even that could create a new hoax!
# So many people will have so many questions.
# So many people and the press will have so much criticism and those are going to crusify him all over again. I am sure Michael knows this and is not looking forward to it!
# I don't know when and if he is going to return, but this story is not over yet. That I know for sure.
# Some say Michael never said :"See you in July 2009". But why did they sell all those tickets for the concert in July 2009?
The hoax deth of Michael Jackson, would re-write all the history books.
The world will be a different place, and people will become more aware of what is really going on around us, so for this reason, it will affect not only us believers,
but will effect the whole world as we have never seen anything like this before!!
I will just be proud and delighted that I believed and never gave up hope even we things were against us. I want to stay in touch with everyone on the forum and share out feelings.
I feel sad that Michael Jackson had to endure so much pain and was forced to do this in the first place.
I would love to continue to show him all the love and support , and share it with you guys!
I hope that maybe we can show out faces to eachother after its all over. That would be nice to put a face to the usernames!!!!!!!!!!!As always, with unconditional L.O.V.E xoxoxo
the feeling that why would he allow these infidels to control the most important aspects of his life in such a long absense does not make sense.
so it is over, just waiting for the trial
but the true pushes the true haters the most influential business haters will count their fiscal rewards and just look for the next deal to cut
question i find more interesting is what will it take for you to believe its over. yes the obvious mike - appearing - then yes of course. but otherwise?
Which are:
1) the motivation
2) the overall goal
3) the objectives (measurable)
4) the measures leading to the results
5) the opportunities to execute the measures
6) potential helpers
Let's start with the motivation for a kill box scenario:
- money related: do you kill the golden cow you are milking? not likely.
A cow goes only to the butcher when it does not give any milk anymore and is only eating hay thus producing cost and no profit. This you do to a cow that has no voice.
Doing that to MJ would mean he had no voice and was one amongst others. Was this the case?
So death IMO is only an option if the $$$ following the death will be more than continuing alive. This is an investor's view (they have overtaken music business as well and MJ was no case for a bad bank): capital rent in the long run must justify short-time investments. Which means when one gives one dollar to finance a show, film, performance, art project, he expects two in return. Did that happen? I don't have the exact figures but yes, the death option was likely more successful in turnover and profit than the alive option, to date.
How does the death option pay off in the long run?
You keep a fog of "maybe, maybe not" as major marketing route in order to keep folks emotionally hooked (I would say to keep them abused but that's not a valid or important argument to marketing strategists). So marketing may at every second determine what folks are doing (in other words buying thus increasing the $$$).
Announcement of unreleased material of a dead one? All will be running to get some copy.
Announcement of return of a dead one? Some may turn away saying "I was fooled" and would feel / claim having been emotionally abused thus reducing financial and reputational success of the overall strategy. Some may not afford the tickets.
Some may lose interest as "the case" is solved etc. Some may rush to get the tickets. Some may (now) say: you never know who is on stage, if it's the real deal. Some would run there exactly driven by the doubt and try to find out during concert whether the man is really the man (remember Barnums "What is it?" exhibition).
In any case there would be uproar throughout the world if the "dead" would return on stage.
For the better, for the worse?
- not money related: I have not seen any aspect of MJ's life not being related to money when it comes to people around MJ. MJ himself would be the only person IMHO who could have had also a non-money-related motivation to chose the kill box (hoax his death). This could have been a spiritual reason (religion), an ethical reason (dangers of today's society), a family related reason (general - heart doctor /family doctor theme, personal - sharing the last years with his mom e.g.), an environmental concern (Amazon theme) or another motivation like V for Vendetta e.g..
Detailing the motivation one could go on with "MJ's personal motivation / MJ's business related motivation / entourage motivation / entourage business related motivation" and other specifics. All other parts of an investigation structure may follow.
Some interesting stuff on structure of investigations is to be found here:
http://law.jrank.org/pages/1654/Police-Criminal-Investigations-Criminal-investigation-defined.html
http://law.jrank.org/pages/1655/Police-Criminal-Investigations-structure-criminal-investigations.html
http://law.jrank.org/pages/1656/Police-Criminal-Investigations-Sources-information-evidence-in-criminal-investigations.html
etc.
My personal conclusion after these months is that the kill box was playing a major part in the story but that MJ did turn the chess table around redefining the rules following his intentions.
I do not see any need for MJ to come back and certainly not soon as the seeds are just growing small plants. He needs strong trees though.
I still recommend a good soda, popcorn and a cosy sofa, well tied ropes and a safety jacket during the trial. We will continue to see mud fights and more and more lies.
I just personally hope the kids will not be called in to testify.
Will the hoax be over with the sentence? I don't know, to be honest.
There's much more to expose, there's endless subjects to get our hands and attention on.
And if MJ's motivation had to do with exposure, there cannot be a final point of "game over".
i dont think this is murder in the strict sense i think this started long ago - it just got worse - till a predictable outcome - think that is way the jackson family are a bit distanced from the whole experience
dont think this is a marketing campaign mike knew his worth - god one man who knew it when you watch footage of him in neverland - when he is just talking you can see he was the whole package - humble but he knew - he was great and he did not disappoint. he did not need to big himself up by faking his death have you seen the awards he had
you are an open target
MJ was in the eye for some when he started his success.
He was without any doubt a target for all kinds of interests.
As to greed, there is one main characteristic: greed never stops and knows no borders nor shame.
Consequently a greedy entourage and responsible business partners having $$$ in their eyes will go for more $$$ without any respect or final "it's enough now".
We are all witnessing this these days in banking, finance, politics, corruption, lobbyism, "journalism" (or should we say information management) etc. and this borderlessness is impacting our live on many levels and in many realities.
Most of us are no-names having no voice as an individual and therefore nobody cares if a brave father will lose job, house and shelter for his family due to investor's greedy speculations.
MJ has a voice. He was silenced twice. But he never stopped having a voice.
The only difference in between the TII preparations and former performances to me is that he might have been treated as a pure investment object and not as an artist as the generations of music business managers and their attitudes have changed.
This in addition may have prompted him to finally say "No" to the $$$ vultures.
This is all my vivid imagination of a very strong character defending justice, his personal honor and reputation.
MJ achieved the $$$ goal with the least effort but by paying a very high price.
What about his freedom? Well deserved - but also gained? His health ....
And what about ... his percepectives?
I will be missing the family here for sure. I will miss the steelheaded and the warmhearted, the fulltime investigators and the lurkers, the longtime fellows and the newbies - you guys!
I will be missing the discussions whether this or that were an indication of a clue or a fact or an illusion or a time warp. I will be missing the back and forth defense of standpoints and the agreement on disagreement. I will be missing how we continued steadily despite so many attempts to divert our attention, separate our intentions and put our fundamentals on a pair of gold scales.
I would for sure love to know from Michael how he'll be feeling after all, whether he had a great sabbatical or not, what he did, what he liked, what he disliked, what astonished him, what came unexpected, what he learned from us, what he valued the most.
I have no idea if he would be willing to let us know but I'd love to know how he lived that time.
Was he satisfied with the results? Was he happy? Puzzled? Hectic? Finding a rest? Finding his peace after all? Finding a clearer view on friends and foes and pharisees?
I guess he laughed his socks off many, many times. (And sure will continue to...)
So this goes to everyone out there, also to you, Michael:
how will you feel when it'll be over? I am curious to know.
I think and hope this family will stay together also when he's back.
We can share all the news about everything he has to say and the reactions from the press and the people to his being alive and the hoax.
Lot's more to discuss IMO ... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->