I found a photo of MJ attending the Oliver Twist play. He doesn't have the marks on his left hand. This is after the press conference. Also, notice how dark his nails are. I didn't see this with the O2 guy.
I found a photo of MJ attending the Oliver Twist play. He doesn't have the marks on his left hand. This is after the press conference. Also, notice how dark his nails are. I didn't see this with the O2 guy.
His nails look the same colour to me.. and maybe he washed his hands
I am going to be no help here sorry...i am not tech savvy for posting pictures but I have a question. Does anyone have any close up pictures from earlier than the trial that show a close up of his hand? It would be interesting to see if an 80's and 90's picture are comparable at all. I know there wouldn't be arthritis but the line would match up and mj had distinct hands in my opinion so there should be some characteristics that date back and maybe we could solve the issue once and for all. Also for the record I really like that there are differing opinions. It helps us all see things from different angles. The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way. I think we should celebrate our differing opinions and see what we can learn from them.
I found a photo of MJ attending the Oliver Twist play. He doesn't have the marks on his left hand. This is after the press conference. Also, notice how dark his nails are. I didn't see this with the O2 guy.
the O2 guys nails were dark...It was very bright lighting because it was a PRESS conference. Here is a pic...
@mykidsmum That pic you have just posted matches up to the hands of the one i posted above,
Look at the arthiritis lump on his little finger on his left hand. You can see it in the o2 guy.. you can see it in the pic i have posted and you can see it in the pic further up of MJ with Thome Thome.
Ok MO and SOUZA...here is your hand...the one you said is not MJ...Here I put it with his LEFT hand...I guess the guy doesn't have matching hands! You can now see it is the angle...I went ahead and did the same thing with my own hand to show you the same thing can be accomplished. The two pics of my hand don't even look the same...I can assure you they are both from my own hand...wait...am I a double? <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
here are the three MJ hands all together. You can see the outsides match eachother and the middle is the one that is different...but the middle and left one are taken from the same time!
I just wanted to post on my own hand photo...look at the right one...how slender my thumb looks and on the left one how fat and thick. Likewise my fingers all look slender and my palm longer than in the left, my palm looks short and square and my fingers short and stubby. The lines where my wrist meet my hand even look different between the two pics, as well as some of the lines on my palm.
sorry guys...one more...do we look good together? Please say yes! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
the one on the right is MY HAND AND NOT MJ"S! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Seriously, I think MY hand looks more like MJ's than O2 dude's hand. Don't you see the hands are totally different?
Sorry Souza, I´m fond in palmistry and I´m accostumed to compare hands.
I´ve have seldom found a such a complicated and messy hand like his.
I dind´t expect to be different...
Look at all these vertical lines on the fingers (propitious, like antennas).
He also have lots of horizontals (obstacles).
Categorical double/triple lines on all the articulations (rare to find)
There are many many other aspects I see.
A double could fake many things, but not the hands.
They are the same 100% to me.
this two hands match, but i´m with souza on this... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
this hand is from the guy who went to the clinic several times and looks like him but have the ear damaged like the ambulance picture, and the palm of the hand at the o2 dude looks bigger than mj hand, i really think was mj at o2 speech but when i loook this hands i doubt about it... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.
O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.
The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.
O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.
The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
don't know whose right, but ya'll are funny <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.
O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.
The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
a monkey? are you serious? are you doing your research? there are MANY MANY videos on youtube from people who have spent countless hours putting together footage of MJ entering onto stages and doing the same things that he has done at O2! Did you even look at my photo's I posted? Did you look at his left hand and his right hand (the one everyone is talking about) They don't match but yet they are from the same time. Please....scroll up and take a look at my pics again.
I agree that O2 is real MJ... look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump. You can see it in loads of other photos too
Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.
It is fun to read, but there is no doubt in my mind, that 02-dude is NOT Michael.
Souza wrote:
I KNOW the angle is different, but STILL I see the hands are different. The fingers, the lines, the wrist. Under the pink it's round at O2 dude's hand and straight down on MJ's hand.
O2 dude is not Mike, I keep saying that. If you don't agree that's fine by me, but I stick to it because O2 dude doesn't even look like him.
The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
are these artists hands you are talking about? LOL...
I agree that O2 is real MJ... look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump. You can see it in loads of other photos too
Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.
Yes... its not something that can be fakes, the arthiritis in the fingers.. and in the left hand pinky it is very prominent. I have seen it in lots of photos in 2009 and clearly, 02 guy is real MJ as he also has this.
My mum has this.. and it makes the finger thicker.. hence why some people are saying his hands are not "long and artistic" looking as when he was younger. MJ was suffering from arthitis in his fingers, and this is why they look different and thicker to what we are used to from the past.
It explains how arthiritis affects the joints of the fingers and can alter the look of the hands.
Ive also had a sudden thought.. this may explain the scars and marks in the autopsy around MJs wrists and hands... Cortison injections can be used to treat the symptoms of this condition.
It explains how arthiritis affects the joints of the fingers and can alter the look of the hands.
Ive also had a sudden thought.. this may explain the scars and marks in the autopsy around MJs wrists and hands... Cortison injections can be used to treat the symptoms of this condition.
if you take a look at the photos I posted of MJ giving the peace sign, you will notice on a couple of photos he has some bumps in the wrist, or nodules. This can happen with people who have Lupus, as well as other things can cause this. Most probably he had these removed and that is what caused the small scars because they are in some photos and then in more recent ones, not there. But cortizone shots would explain all the puncture marks around joint areas on the autopsy report! You are right about that I bet!
I am sorry, but you are comparing O2 dude's hands with hands of MJ's with sunglasses and masks...
Please explain to me how you know that is Mike?
You know, I have made my point. O2 dude and Mike do not match, I guess time will tell.
Let's discuss this further after bamsday! <!-- s --><!-- s -->
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Hello,
i am very confused and can't say on witch picture we see Michael Jackson...the one who was black in the past....for me he looks so much bigger, the head so much bigger in the last 15 years but that's my opinion...
I found pictures from his hands in his youth....i know hands changes when we get older, but 50 years isn't old and the length of the fingers, the propotions from fingers to the hand must be nearly the same...also the lines.
Please take a look :
I agree that O2 is real MJ... look at the pinky on the left hand.. the arthritis bump. You can see it in loads of other photos too
Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.
Why would he have ink on his left hand? He's right handed so seems to me that the ink would be on his right hand, not his left.
Just my thought.
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His nails look the same colour to me.. and maybe he washed his hands
Arthitis confirmed in autopsy report...
Look at the arthiritis lump on his little finger on his left hand. You can see it in the o2 guy.. you can see it in the pic i have posted and you can see it in the pic further up of MJ with Thome Thome.
All the same.
the one on the right is MY HAND AND NOT MJ"S! <!-- s
this two hands match, but i´m with souza on this... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
this hand is from the guy who went to the clinic several times and looks like him but have the ear damaged like the ambulance picture, and the palm of the hand at the o2 dude looks bigger than mj hand, i really think was mj at o2 speech but when i loook this hands i doubt about it... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
The hands are completely different. Michael has an artist's hand, whereas the double has thicker fingers.
The wrist looks more like a raw chicken thigh to me with veins in it - sorry no insult intended, just a description to make the difference clearer. This person is not as intellectual as Michael, guessing from his fingers. More practical, I suppose. Michael has beautiful slim fingers and thumbs, not as thick as the double's - sorry.
The lines on their palms are totally different. Michael's hands have more distinct lines, they are older hands, as there are more life-lines. 02-dude has younger hands, it even looks as if he is wearing very thin plastic gloves to make them look older. Look at his wrist near the bracelet which shall cover the line where the glove's rim can be seen.
There are two Michaels at the 02 conference, one is the real one.
Michael's face is more elegant and without the slightly aggressive touch, which is shown in the body language, too. Michael would never behave like this dude. Watch him enter the stage - like a monkey.
Compare it with Michael on stage, when he held his Sony-speech in London. He walks like a LORD, that is such a difference. No-one can completely copy Michael, no double can.
don't know whose right, but ya'll are funny <!-- s
Yes, that's a very specific sign.
Also you can see these kind of marks in his hands, in pics from other Michael's appearances, I too think that it's ink.
Yes... its not something that can be fakes, the arthiritis in the fingers.. and in the left hand pinky it is very prominent. I have seen it in lots of photos in 2009 and clearly, 02 guy is real MJ as he also has this.
My mum has this.. and it makes the finger thicker.. hence why some people are saying his hands are not "long and artistic" looking as when he was younger. MJ was suffering from arthitis in his fingers, and this is why they look different and thicker to what we are used to from the past.
It explains how arthiritis affects the joints of the fingers and can alter the look of the hands.
Ive also had a sudden thought.. this may explain the scars and marks in the autopsy around MJs wrists and hands... Cortison injections can be used to treat the symptoms of this condition.
Please explain to me how you know that is Mike?
You know, I have made my point. O2 dude and Mike do not match, I guess time will tell.
Let's discuss this further after bamsday! <!-- s
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."i am very confused and can't say on witch picture we see Michael Jackson...the one who was black in the past....for me he looks so much bigger, the head so much bigger in the last 15 years but that's my opinion...
I found pictures from his hands in his youth....i know hands changes when we get older, but 50 years isn't old and the length of the fingers, the propotions from fingers to the hand must be nearly the same...also the lines.
Please take a look :
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Why would he have ink on his left hand? He's right handed so seems to me that the ink would be on his right hand, not his left.
Just my thought.