MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
Souza
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One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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You think it's MJ?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."IDK... at first I thought is MJ, later I changed my mind... and when again I was thinking it's MJ, and again changed my mind.. so I dont know... <!-- s:x -->:x<!-- s:x --> but I agree something is really off... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Ok ...if someone here is insinuating that is not MJ , so the speech that comes right after the Billie jean scene is not MJ's speech, because it's obvious to me that the two scenes was filmed in the same day , with the same person ... <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
I'm confused !
I am talking about the dancing, never said the speech wasn't MJ. He doesn't move there, so that might be him, or maybe only the audio is him, I can't tell because the lighting is too confusing and he has glasses on. I am talking about the performance.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."well this film supposedly is rehearsals , maybe MJ tried not to do to much... so it could look like rehearsals not a show... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
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Come on, we're talking about Michael Jackson here. I deliberately put the Dangerous rehearsal in, so you can see that even when he's just rehearsing, his movements are sharp and he actually dances his own choreographie.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."There is no moonwalk in the TII performance, which is weird. Mike showed the world his first moonwalk during performing Billie Jean, it is THE characteristic of the Billie Jean performance.
This takes me back to The Final TMZ Encounter video:
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So, why wouldn't he do the moonwalk while he was still able to do it..?
By the way - did you pay close attention to the reactions of the dancers during and after that TII performance..? Those speak volumes..............
when I comparing TII with anniversary performance when it doesn't look like it's Michael in TII... and yea you right about movements... I remember when I watched TII for the first time I thought Billie Jean will be the best performance in film.. but Michael looked confused, and slow...and lost... I think I'm gonna watch TII one more time... coz I agree there is Impersonators in film, I'm just not sure where is MJ and where Impersonator... and it hurts coz I'm his fan and cant recognize HIM...! <!-- s
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I dont have time now but I will watch video as soon as I can ..<!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
What is the real Michael? .. I have to watch that movie one more time
Okay. The shoes that the 'TII Michael' is wearing look stiff and narrow. They lift up at the front which seems to force his weight back on his heel. I imagine that for dancing, like when you play sport, you need to be able to use the balls of your feet.
Aren't his dancing shoes usually flexible loafers? So either he wasn't planning to rehearse this properly - because the focus was to be on something else - or it isn't him?
Katherine Jackson -- This Isn't It
Originally posted Oct 16th 2009 7:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Something is going on with the Jackson family ... multiple sources are telling us the family has been invited with open arms to attend the premiere of "This Is It" ... but
Katherine Jackson and other family members insist they have been snubbed.
Here's what we know -- 60 tickets for the Michael Jackson movie have been offered to the family, yet Katherine insists no one ever called them about getting seats.
Several sources tell us they believe the ticket offer was made to certain members of the family but the offer was never relayed to Katherine.
Fact is ... Katherine doesn't want to see the movie. She tells TMZ as far as she's concerned it's not a real movie because there is no acting -- just rehearsal footage.
But we're also told Jackson's three kids have been telling Katherine they want to see it ... bad.
Joe Jackson insists "This Is It" is mostly body doubles and "the media is going to tear this movie apart."
Sources say Sony not only offered the Jackson family seats to the premiere, but also offered a private screening.
Is it possible one of Katherine's sons is hoarding info? Just a theory ...
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Masterpiece? Yes. Mike? No way on earth. And again: 50 IS NOT OLD! Look at our Uncle Harve, he will turn 60 next month, come on!
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Pshh. I don't recall seeing any media sources "tearing the movie apart" I don't know what he was talking about.
And call me close minded and stubborn, but I just do not believe that there were any body doubles in This Is It. I mean, I believe that everybody is entitled to their own opinion, so please no hatin on me, and kudos on all the research, but I'm just gonna admit right now that unless I hear it from Michael himself, I'm not gonna believe that there were doubles in this movie. I just can't stand the idea of thinking the man is not really Michael when there's a possibility that it could be him, and when fans start saying they feel hurt because they cannot even recognize MJ, that makes me feel sad! Nobody should feel bad about not being able to recognize him, it's a confusing subject, especially when you have two different sides of the argument constantly in your face and neither side is willing to back down. I'll be totally and completely 100% honest, when I first saw TII billie jean performance in the theaters it never even crossed my mind that "something was off" or "strange" or that the performance was of less quality. Yes it was different, but Michael was all about change. He didn't attempt and fail at the moonwalk, he did it in place, and yeah I was disappointed but he moonwalked in smooth criminal so we know that he was capable. We have to remember that we are not supposed to know this is a movie, it's just "rehearsal" footage. Michael probably rehearsed this number every day, and maybe on the other days he moonwalked and today he just didn't feel like it. Remember somebody from the film also said that This Is It does not show Michael's best days, there were times when he danced and sang way better and he didn't know why certain footage had been chosen over others.
Mo and Souza I know how strongly you feel that this guy is a double and I'm not trying to change your mind or anything because I know you guys stand firm! I'm just trying to show the fans that "feel hurt" because they think they cannot recognize Michael, that not everybody thinks this guy is a double. In the future if we ever find out for sure that this guy was a double, then I stand corrected.
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Oprah: "He looked like he was really in perfect form"
Oprah: "When we are looking at that choreography, how much is you and how much is Michael?"
Kenny Ortega: "Well first of all, Travis Payne and Michael Jackson were the principle choreographers of the show and Michael Jackson was an IMPROVISATIONAL GENUIS. It was a collaboration. we were the three muskateers, sometimes the three stooges but we worked together."
Improvisational
Improvisation is the practice of acting, singing, talking and reacting, of making and creating, in the moment and in response to the stimulus of one's immediate environment and inner feelings. This can result in the invention of new thought patterns, new practices, new structures or symbols, and/or new ways to act. This invention cycle occurs most effectively when the practitioner has a thorough intuitive and technical understanding of the necessary skills and concerns within the improvised domain. Improvisation can be thought of as an "on the spot" or "off the cuff" spontaneous activity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvisational
Improvisational
1. a creation spoken or written or composed extemporaneously (without prior preparation)
2. a performance given extempore without planning or preparation
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=improvisation
Oprah: "He has this quality...because he became ONE with the music"
Kenny Ortega:"Ya, he was CHANNELLING. It was as if he WAS the music. He EMBODIED the music."
Channelling - verb
5. a means of communication or access
Channelling - noun
1. transmit or serve as the medium for transmission
2. direct the flow of; "channel information towards a broad audience"
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Embodied - verb
represent in bodily form
Embodied - adjective
possessing or existing in bodily form
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=embodied
When I first saw Ghosts I didn't know the old man was him, and you can even see his eyes in that movie. Of course I was young, and I mean now that I know it, it couldn't be more obvious, especially by the way he talks.
Remember Michael said that he could even fool his own mother with his disguises.
O_o ...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."