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paula-c · April 2010

Now that talk of crusifixion, well Michael is crucified in the film, remembered as Michael was crucified by the media, public opinion, for those who did much damage, and they believe that crows are representing them all, and Michael tells them that they will not win this game. :?: 8-) <!-- s

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ZIsis · April 2010

Thank you, Wabbit, for your interesting thought. I really appreciated hearing that. I hope you continue to post & share more of your ideas with us all more often :)

And paula-c doesn't really need me to elaborate on "her effect" further :P She already knows very well that she does "fixers" for me like no other, on an-almost regular basis! THANK YOU AGAIN nonetheless (this is getting to be a habit!) & MWAH! 8-) <!-- s

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L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

paula-c · April 2010

It is mentioned in this story, the "sword of Damocles" to speak of a threat that is latent, constant and can take unexpected and suddenly to a tragic end

I think after everything that has been investigated in this forum about Michael, .. words are. ;)

ZIsis · April 2010

CONGRATULATIONS, TIAI twitter, You have done it again!!!

With this today:

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Now this is a perfect example of the many times that I STRONGLY feel that you must be a woman too (no intentional offensive "sexism" implied here, ok? :) ).

I also couldn't help noticing that you were early tonight ;) (but then again, I realise you do 'do' 3-something a.m my time on occasion too: just no later than 4:30 a.m usually though! :P ). It just took me quite a bit to 'suitably' compose myself to make this post :oops:

But the crux of the matter is that I'm SOOOOOOOOO irrevocably touched by this...So much so that I can overlook & set aside my bad hankering for 'concrete proofs & substantial answers' for NOW. If I really did possess "better sense", I 'should' actually be worried here :P But THANK GOD for these seemingly 'small blessings'; where would we ALL be without them!!! ;) <!-- s

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It's easier said than done to "put oneself in 'another's shoes" for most of us. But we MUST ALL learn to acquire that habit & put that into actual practice more often too, simply because doing so would REALLY help to bridge the gap between "the great conundrum" of the "I & you" concepts. For, it really is this 'I & you' TOGETHER that encompasses the OMNIPOTENT (but sadly, often underestimated) "We". This, however, does NOT necessarily mean completely loosing touch with the very distinguishable "I" & "YOU" amidst the greater "WE" either!!! Ultimately, it's the entire composition & combination that makes our world recognisable for US ALL & also for the good old earth to do it's whole 360 degrees thing too! ;) <!-- s

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This one also closely reminds me of another classic (& much debated) philosophical proposition/puzzle; the famous "butterfly dilemma", So, thought I will quote it here too:

From The Complete Works Of Chuang Tzu
(Translated by Burton Watson)

Ending of Chapter 2 : Discussion on Making All Things Equal

" Once Chuang Chou dreamt he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Chuang Chou. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Chuang Chou. But he didn't know if he was Chuang Chou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he was Chuang Chou. Between Chuang Chou and a butterfly there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things. "

*Have a look at the wikipage here if you are curious about him (there is much English spelling variations of his name :) ): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuangzi

Anyways, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for today's post, TIAI Twitter. I really do appreciate it very much indeed. Oh, & I'm glad you are "back" too! :) ;) :) So, I guess I also am back to being my old more-or-less 'happy customer' self (not to mention hooked :P ) for longer :D :D <!-- s

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L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

paula-c · April 2010

God, this really moved me, :oops: there are words I do not understand, Michael's lyrics are hard to understand, and my English so bad .. but it moved me so I could understand .. we, me and all your fans know you're an innocent man. God bless you :)

ZIsis · April 2010

Didn't catch today's link sooner tonight because two days of operating on 5 hours of sleep (more to do with my non-MJ life actually, if you are wondering :P ) finally caught up with me for a bit :oops: (GASP, the HORROR & SHAME; I'll never live this one down at the greater 'Vampires Inc. Society'! ;) <!-- s

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Anyways, today's link is:

For those of you "neatos" with handwriting etc, here you go ;) :

" If I sail to Acapulco or Cancun Mexico
There the law is waiting for me
and God knows that I'm innocent

If they wont take me in Cairo
then lord where will I go?

I’ll die a man without a country
and only God knew I was innocent now. "

Hmmm...

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* 13 lines of the chorus for "The Innocent Man" [Again, I hope we are ONLY supposed to take this STRICTLY at "sur"/face value! :P ],

* " These lyrics were apparently written during Michael Jackson’s child abuse trial in 2005. "[Interesting to note the word, "apparently" here, don't you think ;) ],

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* Somehow, I just don't feel that either Acapulco, Cancun Mexico or Cairo are especially 'significant' on their own rights here.

*** Have a peek here, if you are curious about some of the other items sold at the same auction:

I think the lyrics are self-explanatory, given the "apparent" period (during the 2005 Trials) that they were written. Herein is reflected one man's pain & need to be simply be accepted for what & who he was; to clear his name off the wrongful & slanderous allegations of which he was accused of, for his longing to escape to a place where people wouldn't shun him, condemn him, make an unwanted, unwelcome & ridiculous public intrusion/spectacle out of his whole life for their own 'entertainment'/enjoyment/sick, weird 'kicks' etc... :( <!-- s

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Awww, I truly hope that he finally finds (if he hasn't already) such a place (even if it's in his own mind-frame, rather than an actual tangible, physical 'site') where people regard one another with love & acceptance & treat each other with the basic human courtesy & decency of respecting one another; some place where he doesn't feel the need to constantly struggle to "prove" himself; somewhere he feels completely comfortable simply just being him, the man; some place with which he can establish a REAL sense of belonging that he so crave(d/s); some place where he can finally be at peace within himself...

TIAI Twitter, I don't think I follow this one (or you for that matter sometimes :P , but that's a different story that can wait for another time) all that clearly. Are you merely trying to get us to reflect on the depths of MJ's soul/trying to get us to focus on the man, minus the PERSONA kind of thing here, as opposed to giving us clues or hints (because that's how this comes across to me)??? I also feel that MANY of us are already doing A LOT of that, especially of late & have actually found the inspiration to actively try to pursue "being the change" ourselves, instead of merely restricting ourselves to pointing fingers at others. Personally, I find it quite heartening to note that the 'trend' is catching too (granted that it's not in HUGE leaps & bounds yet, but the small steps surely count as a beginning) :) :D :) Or is this another kind of disguised not-so-pleasant 'message' (albeit, out of kindness or empathy!)?!? PLEASE tell me this is not just a 'pretty' "filler" to keep us distracted, interested & occupied for longer because you are simply running dry on ideas!!! So, what more could you possibly expect of us on the above mentioned particular angle :!: :?: :? :?: :!:

Special request to TIAI Twitter: Next time, could we PLEASE have something more closely linked with the present state of our man?!? (because that's what plays priority with most of us right now; our concern, worry & confusion over that).

L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

ZIsis · April 2010

Today's post was made 9+++ hours ago :!: :o :?: :shock: :!:
But since I like being (pleasantly) surprised too much ;) , no further comment on that :P

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What More Can I Say? - Jay Z

(Are you not entertained?)
(Are..you..not..entertained?)
(Is this not why you're here?)
Uh, Uh, Huh
Turn the music up
Turn me down
Guru...Lets go get 'em again
This time it's for the money my nigga
Brooklyn stand up

[Verse One]
There's never been a nigga this good for this long
This hood
Or this pop is hot
Or this strong
With so many different flows
This ones for this song
The next one I'll switch up
This one will get bit up
These fucks
To lazy to make up shit
They crazy
They don't...paint pictures
They just trace me
You know what
Soon they forget who they plucked
They whole style from
And try to reverse the outcome
I'm like...CLUCK
I'm not a biter
I'm a writer
For myself and others
I say a B.I.G. verse I'm only biggin up my brother
Biggin up my borough
I'm big enough to do it
I'm that thorough
Plus i know my own flow is foolish
So the rings and things you sing about
Bring em out
It's hard to yell when the bar-rel's in your mouth
I'm in...New sneakers
Deuce seaters
A few Diva's
What more can i tell you
Let me spell it for you
W-I-Double L-I-E
Nobody truer than H-O-V
And I'm back for more
New Yorks ambassador
Prime Minister back to finish my business up

[Chorus: Singing]
What more can i say?
What more can i do?
I give this all to you
I know this much is true
My Life
(Look at my life)
(See what i see)

[Verse Two]
You already know what I'm about
Flying birds down south
Moving wet off the step
Purple Rain in the drought
Stuntin on hoes
Brushing off my shirt
But ain't nothing on my clothes
'Cept my chain
My name
Young H-O
Pitch the yea faithful
Even if they patrol i make payroll
Benz paid for
Friends they roll
Private jets down to Turks and Caicos
Chrys case loads
I don't give a shit
Nigga one life to live i can't let a day go
Bye
Without me being fly
Fresh to death
Head to toe until the day i rest
And i don't wear jerseys I'm thirty plus
Give me a crisp pair of jeans nigga button ups
S dots on my feet
Makes my cycle complete
What more can i say Guru play the beat, I'm leaving!

We gonna let this ride into the hook
I'mma snap my fingers on this one
What more can i say to you?
Get my grown man on
LET'S GO
(What more can i say?)

[Verse Three]
Now you know ass is Willie
When they got you in a mag
For like half a Billi
And your ass ain't Lilly
White
That mean that shit you write must be illy
Either that or your flow is silly
It's both
I don't mean to boast
But damn if i don't brag
Them crackers gonna act like i ain't on they ads
The Martha Stewart
That's far from Jewish
Far from a Harvard student
Just had the balls to do it
And no I'm not through with it
In fact I'm just previewing it
This ain't the show I'm just EQ'in it
One, Two and i won't stop abusing it
To groupie girls stop false accusing it
Back to the music
The mayback roof is translucent
Niggas got a problem Houston
What up B
They can't shut up me
Shut down I
Not even P.E.
I'mma ride
God forgive me for my brash deivery
But i remember vivily
What these streets did to me
So picture me
Lettin these clowns nit pick at me
Paint me like a Pickaninny
I will literally
Kiss Tee-Tee in the forhead
Tell her please forgive me
Then squeeze until your forhead
I'm not the one to score points off
In fact
I got a joint to knock your points off
Young
Hova the God nigga blast for me
I'm at the Trump International
Ask for me
I ain't never scared
I'm everywhere
You ain't never there
Nigga why would i ever care
Pound for pound I'm the best to ever come around here
Excluding nobody
Look what i embody
The soul of a hustler i really ran the street
I CEO's mine
That marketing plan was me
And no i ain't get shot up a whole bunch of times
Or make up shit in a whole bunch of lines
And i ain't animated, like say a, Busta Rhymes
But the real shit you get when you bust down my lines
Add that to the fact i went plat a bunch of times
Times that by my influence
On pop culture
I supposed to be number one on everybody's list
We'll see what happens when i no longer exist
Fuck this

(What more can i say?)

:oops: OOPS :oops: I know it's probably not directed at anyone especially, But OUCH, I feel oddly ??? 'rebuked' almost. Darn it, why do I always have to be so ??? touchy & take everything so 'personally'!?! :roll: :x :oops: But of course, I'm not going to apologise & make excuses for the weird mayhem of my emotional range here; hey, like it or not, we are all who we are, So have to learn to at least accept our own selves,hmmm?!? :P I'm heartened to realise that all this is perfectly 'natural' though & perhaps even 'predestined' too (consistent with the whole "We'll see what happens when I no longer exist" theme) ;)

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Talk about MAKING A STATEMENT!!! With EMPHASIS! ;) :D :P Kinda reminds me of the whole 'dancing on top of car' incident back in 2005 too (here I go again; feeling all hopelessly & uncontrollably giggly-girly :oops: :P SIGH <!-- s

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But anyways, I TOTALLY dig this one ABSOLUTELY, So THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR IT, TIAI Twitter!!! And looking :arrow: to MUCH, MUCH MORE too!!!
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L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

paula-c · April 2010

Zisis, you are right and you have a great ability to express, according to your post. :)

Jay speculates that only when have gone ever to receive the true cause of prestige.

Michael must know that he has people who really matter... fans acclaim. Fuck magazines, TV, Internet, the reels of news and radio stations. You are the more large. <!-- s

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ZIsis · April 2010

Zisis, you are right and you have a great ability to express, according to your post. :)

Jay speculates that only when have gone ever to receive the true cause of prestige.

Michael must know that he has people who really matter... fans acclaim. Fuck magazines, TV, Internet, the reels of news and radio stations. You are the more large.

Thank you, Paula :) Personally, I feel that I have a MAJOR tendency to get carried away completely ("Act first, think later"; that's me :oops: :!: :oops: ) & all too often make myself feel like a TOTAL DORK afterwords :roll: I guess it must be true what they say about our own selves being our greatest enemy ;) <!-- s

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Anyways, I'm glad you found this as "inspirational" as I did, Paula, my first friend, my fellow T.T addict/'co-conspirator'-cum-agony aunt ALL IN ONE on this forum; YOU ABSOLUTELY ROCK & Luv ya TOTALLY!!! :D :) <!-- s

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L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

ZIsis · April 2010

OMG, I just saw the LATEST blog post on the official MJ's Myspace page!!! The same one is on his Facebook account too:

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So, "Off the Wall", is one of Jay-Z's favourite albums, hmmm...Most interesting 'revelation' & lovely description too :) :) :) Personally, my earliest memories of favourite family-time MJ albums was Thriller (the RUCKUS my uncles used to raise, the goofs; drove my grandma NUTS with their 'antics' & gave us ALL good 'entertainment' ALL ROUND: SOOOOOOO VERY GOOD to remember! :D <!-- s

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Does this have anything to do with today's link, T.T!?! ;) God, all these "coincidences" (& the efforts to establish "connections" between them!) is making my head hurt!!! Off to catch my zzzzzzzzzzzs before I completely loose it here! :P <!-- s

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L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

paula-c · April 2010

What More Can I Say ,... :?: This is it? .., No more to say?

thisisalsoit, no more messages? not please .... :)

ZIsis · April 2010

What More Can I Say ,... :?: This is it? .., No more to say?

thisisalsoit, no more messages? not please .... :)

I know what you mean here, Paula. I also feel sooooooooooo ... ??? ... 'strangely' ... ??? ... lost / bored / snubbed / deserted and also, somehow ... ??? ... almost ... RIDICULOUSLY bereft myself (It's actually quite FRIGHTENING to realise just how 'irrationally' reliant we have become on 'our' "TIAI.T" here, without being completely 'awares' of that fact....... :!: :oops: :? :roll: :P :?: UNCOMFY :?: ;) :roll: :? :oops: :!:

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ZIsis · April 2010

OMG, Paula, OMG, have you seen these (posted about 15+++ hours ago!) by 'our' TT?!? Despite my confusion & mixed emotions (as usual :!:), I've to admit, I'm foolishly & illogically heartened by "the return"; temporary or otherwise, of TIAI on Twitter (Go figure! :oops: :roll: <!-- s

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*** Be sure to visit the youtube page itself & check out the links under the video description too here at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YKn53vWIHA

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" All the stories I wrote were true because I believed in what I saw " - Jack Kerouac

*** That was Kerouac on the Steve Allen Show 1959, explaining his 'narrative'/autobiographical book, "On the Road" (based on 'being on the road for 7 years', written within three weeks' time in 1951, but published in 1957). The full quote is, " Well, a lot of people asked me why I wrote that book or any book. All the stories I wrote were true because I believed in what I saw. "

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* Back cover of "On The Road" (with The Original Scroll):

* And here, a "most interesting" bit of description of JK from the wikipage:

" The term “Beat Generation” was invented by Kerouac during a conversation held with fellow novelist John Clellon Holmes. His fame would come as an unmanageable surge that would ultimately be his undoing. Kerouac's novel is often described as the defining work of the post-World War II Beat Generation and Kerouac came to be called "the king of the beat generation," a term that he never felt comfortable with. He once observed, "I'm not a beatnik, I'm a Catholic. "

* Above book review here at:

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* Above documentary movie review here at:

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* Go here for more on the above:

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Well, anyways, the bottom line (a.k.a, the MOST IMPORTANT thing) to "ALL&EVERYTHING", for me personally is capped perfectly by this below:

" Love Is ALL. "
- Jack Kerouac

L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

paula-c · April 2010

This " Yellow brick road " movie to get Brain, Heart, and Courage, three qualities essential to Life !

The comment made by one person on the video is defined...
I've been wondering as becomes innocence once it has been lost, so easy to lose, so difficult to find that unfair.
"how innocence?, or the desire to return to the happy home of magical way".
It may the innocence not what we are looking for, perhaps we are looking for people able to see where others only see things normal magic. :)

paula-c · April 2010

"All of the stories I wrote was true because he believed in what I saw."

"LOVE IS ALL"

We always tell the truth .. and some people do not listen, or hear what they want ..
I tell the truth, I'm honest with myself,
I'm also just as honest with you.
I tell the truth, I'm true to myself,
That way I can also be true to you. Also That way I can be true to you.

I tell the truth;
I don't fool you
I tell the truth;
I don't just keep truth up on a shelf — Truth I do not just keep up on a shelf -
To take down when it suits my needs.

I tell the truth even when it's hard,
It's harder to live with a lie.
I tell the truth right from the start,
Not just later when I've been found out.

We've heard about George Washington chopping down a tree,
“Father, I cannot tell a lie.” said he.
But we've also heard the story of the boy who cried “wolf”,
When he finally told the truth, they ignored his plea.

I tell the truth, I want your trust,
I want to be able to trust myself.
I tell the truth, I want your respect,
I want to be able to respect myself.

I tell the truth;
I don't fool you
And I don't fool myself. I tell the truth;
I don't just keep truth up on a shelf — Truth I do not just keep up on a shelf -
To take down when it suits my needs.

I Tell the Truth
Character Development Song
Laszlo Slomovits

Love is all, or is it all for love, .. bears some resemblance :)

truthseeker · April 2010

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Check this out. Johnny Depp is reading Jack Kerouac and it's from The United States of Poetry.

Art = resistance.

The words are very interesting.



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ZIsis · April 2010

Check this out. Johnny Depp is reading Jack Kerouac and it's from The United States of Poetry.

Art = resistance.

The words are very interesting.

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WHOA, THANKS V MUCH for this, truthseeker. You are right; it's VERY INTERESTING indeed!!! MUCH appreciated. Gave me quite a "trip" too :P 8-) :D

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L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

truthseeker · April 2010

Check this out. Johnny Depp is reading Jack Kerouac and it's from The United States of Poetry.

Art = resistance.

The words are very interesting.

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WHOA, THANKS V MUCH for this, truthseeker. You are right; it's VERY INTERESTING indeed!!! MUCH appreciated. Gave me quite a "trip" too :P 8-) :D

The more I see of Johnny Depp, the more I like him ;)  

L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!

ZIsis, you are most welcome! And thanks for embedding that vid for me! ;)

paula-c · April 2010

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paula-c · April 2010

Woman claims to be Michael's wife and mother of his children
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Nona Paris Lola Jackson Ankhesenamun filed suit in the Court of Los Angeles, demanding that he allowance for all property and money from "The King of Pop" Send..A woman named Nona Paris Lola Jackson Ankhesenamun claims to be the wife of Michael Jackson and claimed before the Court of Los Angeles all the assets of "The King of Pop", reports tmz.com.

Nona, who now lives in London, said further that is the true mother of Prince I, Paris and "Blanket" the singer's three children.

"All my husband's properties and the money and property should be transferred to me immediately," he said in his application to the Court. "And my husband's body should be returned immediately to the" body "of the prosecutor (sic), or the funeral home."

There is no evidence that Nona Paris has had some kind of relationship with Michael, much less has been married to him.

But last December, Nona Paris filed suit in the Court claiming to be the only wife of singer of "Beat it."

He added that Jackson's three children are his and not authorized to live with Katherine Jackson, mother of the singer.

"For any questions, please contact me at (added his email account)."

Nona Paris said she met Michael when he was a teenager. Not only that. Claims that he wrote about 3 thousand songs for him.

After Michael's death last week, Nona Paris posted this message online: "I have been widowed, I gave all my love to Michael, but that's all I could give the gift of eternity. He was greatly loved in this life and in the other world does so. I can also die in peace someday. "

He adds: "Although he left this earth, he now lives with my father (Satan) Khalid Lucifer."

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ZIsis · April 2010

Ankhesenamun

There is little known about Ankhesenamun (meaning “She lives through Amun” or “Living through Amun”). She was initially known through her birth name of Ankhesenpaaten (meaning “She lives through the Aten” or “Living through the Aten”) in her earlier years of life. Written, throughout history, are variations of her name as this was altered during her marriage to Tutankhamun. She was approximately thirteen years old when she married Tutankhamun who was most likely her half-brother. Tutankhamun was probably around eight years old at the time that this marriage occurred. This history timeline is known as the Amarna Period.

The alteration of names for both Tutankhamun and Ankhesenamun occurred as they changed their form of worship from one God to another. Their reign initially included the worship of the God Aten (known as “The Sun-Disc) and this eventually changed to the worship of the God Amun (known as the “The Hidden One”). Sometimes Ankhesenamun is written as Ankhesenamon, Ankhesenamum, and other variations on the name.

What is known about Ankhesenamun is that she was born the third daughter of Akhenaten and Nefertiti. History tells us that there were at least six known daughters born to this famous couple; Meritaten, Meketaten, Ankhesenpaaten, Nefernefruaten ta-Sherit, Nefernefrure, and Setepenre. The first three daughters appear to have had a more prominent position in the family hierarchy as they are depicted more frequently in pictures than the last three daughters.

It appears that Akhenaten, Ankhesenamun’s father, may have attempted to father children with the first three eldest daughters. It is suggested that Ankhesenamun’s second eldest sister may have died giving child birth. This is deducted from a scene found in the royal tomb which portrays a vivid display of this occurrence (a woman dying due to child birth). It is almost likely that Akhenaten also fathered children from his other two daughter’s Meritaten and Ankhesenamun. Those children carried the names of their respective mothers with the addition of “ta-sherit” (junior) after their names. Including “ta-sherit” to the name of children who had the same name as their respective mothers, appeared to be the standard practice of that time.

As Nefertiti, Akhenaten’s queen, disappears from history, Akhenaten marries the eldest daughter Meritaten. She now becomes the Chief Queen after her mother Nefertiti. Also during Akhenaten’s reign he names Smenkhkare as co-regent (a person who would reign in conjunction with him). It was sometimes the practice of Kings or Pharoahs to name co-regents during their reign. Co-regents tended to be son’s or proposed heirs to the throne. During this time, Akhenaten decides to wed Meritaten (his daughter and current wife) to Smenkhkare for his wife. Akhenaten then takes Ankhesenamun, the third daughter, as his next new wife. Ankhesenamun now becomes the Chief wife of Akhenaten for a short period.

It appears that shortly after, both Meritaten and Akhenaten die and then Smenkhkare marries Ankhesenamun. History shows that they are married for approximately one to three years and then Smenkhkare also dies. Tutankhamun is named the next pharaoh and Ankhesenamun and Tutankhamun are then married. Although both are still children, Tutankhamun and Ankhesenamun go on to rule Egypt over the next ten years. During the ten years Ankhesenamun gives birth to two children (both girls). Both girls are born premature and die. One of the children is now known to have had a condition called Spengel’s deformity in conjunction with spina bifida and scoliosis. The two mummy encasements were found during the excavation of Tutankhamun’s tomb.

During their reign, history shows that Tutankhamun had an official adviser named Ay who most likely was the grandfather of Ankhesenamun. In addition, it seems that Ay most likely took advantage of the fact that both Tutankhamun and Ankhesenamun were very young and he most probably had a heavy hand in molding and shaping Tutankhamun’s thinking in the early years. This likely occurred as changes and decisions during those early years of Tutankhamun’s rule carried the weight of a more-versed and more-mature ruler and could not have been done by a child of eight years old.

As Tutankhamun and Ankhesenamun began to mature, Tutankhamun suddenly died for no apparent reason. Tutankhamun was about 18 years of age when he passed away and once again Ankhesenamun was left without a husband. The standard mourning period was 70 days and it appears that several major things occurred during this timeframe; 1) Tutankhamun’s burial site seems to have been put together in a haphazardly way, 2) Ankhesenamun is not mentioned or depicted at the burial site or are there any personal items of Ankhesenamun buried with Tutankhamun as this was the standard practice of including “wifely items” with the dead pharaohs, and 3) History now shows us that Ankhesenamun may have tried to contact the Hittite King Suppiluliumas for help. King Suppiluliumas was a well-known enemy of Egypt at that time.

Upon further review of Tutankhamun’s burial site, it seems that the walls were not fully painted as would have been fitting for a pharaoh of that time. Why? It also appears that many of the items found in the tomb were borrowed and did not belong strictly to Tutankhamun. Again the question is why? Speculation is that Ay, who was most probably in control of the burial procedures, was in a hurry to get everything completed and sealed as he may have been the person responsible for Tutankhamun’s death. Why does speculation lean toward that theory? Most likely because he had much control over the rule of Egypt during Tutankhamun’s rule until the boy king began to mature. He probably wanted him out of the way. In addition, history shows that he married Ankhesenamun shortly after Tutankhamun died and thereby became Egypt’s new pharaoh. Upon review of Tutankhamun’s skull, there is some evidence that Tutankhamun may have died a more brutal death than once thought and Ay is at the top of the list as a possible murderer.

In addition, the standard practice of that time would have been to mention and provide many items of the “Chief wife” of a pharaoh in a burial site. Unfortunately, there is little mention of Ankhesenamun at the burial site. The fact that any personal items belonging to Ankhesenamun at Tutankhamun’s tomb are missing make things even more suspicious. Why would this occur? Could it be that Ay may have been planning to take Ankhesenamun (most probably his granddaughter) as his wife and thereby become the new Pharaoh? It would not have been fitting to have his new wife depicted in Tutankhamun’s tomb. By marrying Ankhesenamun he would then have a direct link to the throne and be more readily accepted as Egypt’s new ruling pharaoh.

The third suspicious piece to this puzzle is a letter sent to a Hittite King named Suppiluliumas from an Eqyptian queen. There is speculation that the letter could have been sent from another queen because the names referenced in the letter do not specifically mention Ankhesenamun or Tutankhamun but rather use the names Dahamunzu and her dead husband Niphururiya. However, upon further review of the Hittite phonetic translations of Egyptian language at that time, it would have been translated to point towards Ankhesenamun as the queen asking for help and Tutankhamun as the king having died. The letter states, “My husband has died and I have no son. They say about you that you have many sons. You might give me one of your sons to become my husband. Never shall I pick out a servant of mine and make him my husband!...I am afraid!” Why would Ankhesenamun be afraid? Could it be that she knew that Ay had contributed to her husband’s death? Could it be that she had seen Ay depicted in Tutankhamun’s tomb wearing the royal crown’s of Egypt with his name clearly written in hieroglyphs as the presiding priest over Tutankhamun’s picture?

Upon receiving the request for help from the Eqyptian queen, King Suppiluliumas sent Hattusa-zita, a chamberlain, to verify that this was a true request and not a plan of treachery. Hattusa-zita returned verifying that this was not a scheme but rather a true plea for help. King Suppiluliumas then sent his youngest son Zanannza to marry the Egyptian queen (more than likely Ankhesenamun). Upon entering Egypt the whole group was murdered.

Ankhesenamun was left with no other alternative than to marry Ay who was at least 40 years her senior. A blue-glass finger ring has since been found containing both Ankhesenamun and Ay’s engraved names. This is further evidence that this marriage took place after Tutankhamun’s death. Shortly thereafter, Ankhesenamun disappears from history and even in Ay’s tomb there is no evidence that she was the chief wife. Rather, it is Tiy who appears in Ay’s tomb. But as history writes itself, Ankhesenamun had married 4 pharaohs in her short lifetime; Akhenaten (her father), Smenkhkare (more than likely her half brother), Tutankhamun (more than likely her half brother), and Ay (probably her grandfather).

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THANKS A BUNCH, Paula!!! I was too enamoured with & distracted by all things Ancient Egypt (another subject v close to my heart :)) to notice "the connection" & "significance" of this with "our man". In fact, I was actually half way through writing a purely Egyptology based response to this when I saw your comment here! :P :oops: <!-- s

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Sarahli · April 2010

"But as history writes itself, Ankhesenamun had married 4 pharaohs in her short lifetime; Akhenaten (her father), Smenkhkare (more than likely her half brother), Tutankhamun (more than likely her half brother), and Ay (probably her grandfather)."

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paula-c · April 2010

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paula-c · April 2010

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