<br />and paris 'twitter??<br /><br />why go on the internet if the father is about to return?<br /> thank you so much TS really<br />
<br /><br />Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<br />and paris 'twitter??<br /><br />why go on the internet if the father is about to return?<br /> thank you so much TS really<br />
<br /><br />Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?<br />
yes!<br />i believe in hoax but its not same about the return.
<br />and paris 'twitter??<br /><br />why go on the internet if the father is about to return?<br /> thank you so much TS really<br />
<br /><br />Uh, why not have a Twitter account? Maybe you should explain what you mean more, maybe someone can actually answer then. And why are you asking TS? I thought you think he's a fraud?<br />
yes!<br />i believe in hoax but its not same about the return.<br />
<br /><br />So there is no need in asking TS, because you wouldn't believe his answer anyway. If you call someone a fraud, don't expect that person to answer our demanding questions afterwards, most certainly not TS.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Greetings. I would like to express my intentions and to clarify that which posted previously. I had and hope , no intentions to challenge/debunk/question each of you or TS in that which each believe/authenticity/faith. As my purpose was a twist in the current train of thought that currently exists. <br /><br />As, I continue hesistantly will reveal that I beLIEve and have faith that MJ is alive. I also have been challenged and provoked as to different reasons/theories/TS as to all things why. I have used the knowledge obtained here over last 2 years, that each member as supplied/express/hypothesized upon, incorporated them into my perception and analysis of the events surrounding MJ. My conculsions are my own, yet influenced by many, that are mine and ones in which I do not force others others to believe but to use to obtain a peace of mind among the madness that each of us struggle each day with. However that being said, I know what I believe, and to this point there is nothing short of actually digging MJ up and seeing the " real" dead MJ will ever change. And again, reviewing reply posts as per to my post, it was never intended to be a interpetated as to put in question TS, his presence or factuality of information pertaining to MJ he has provided. In fact many of my conculsions use insight supplied by TS. So I hope this rectifies those misconceptions of my previous post.<br /><br />What occurred to me that day and of many days prior is the reason I felt the need to post those thoughts. What you may not know or realize is that I am you and you are me but our difference is that which I wish to convey , a difference which may provide each of you a peace or perspective as this journey continues.<br /><br />My message was not of authenticity or ARG's as it ventured into. I do think that TS is legit, but do not agree with the methods they use to convey the message. Like each of you as myself, your" faith" borders on obsession, and that which you do believe is so strong, yet so few follow. You have become an isolated group that bond here in order to feel acceptance for that belief. This is not a negative thing purely factual. Over the years there have been countless posts from many questioning one's very sanity in themselves, subilimally reaching out to others who have these and many other feelings that are the same in order to gain some perspective or acceptance in which 99.9% of the world deems insane.<br /><br />Birds of a feather flock together.<br /><br />Now that many of you now are angerd by this, let me supply you a few thoughts intended to achieve a clarity as the days continue. As I did, like you, suffered needless turmoil. This pains me to continue to see when I "check in" here.<br /><br />The numbers here are less and core remains. The site has become more of an audience now as theories have been exhausted. Nothing new, no news, nothing but TS and what he brings. ARG? You could debate the validity that each of you participate in one now. Which coincides with my comment pertaining to method in which TS delievers his revelations. I believe TS intentions are genuine but perhaps does not realize the effect of the psychological impact he has had on each of us over time. It is one thing to learn the in and outs of the hoax but yet another to present it in such a way that leave the participants constantly seeking more, continuing to feed the very need one might feel to validate the feeling of belief that one has put their faith in. A dangerous , emotion filled game. Simply put....<br /><br />Tell me I am not crazy. <br /><br />I will. To each of you I say...<br /><br />You are right.<br /><br />He is not dead.<br /><br />You know it, feel and most importantly beLIEve it.<br /><br />And why I do this is simple. Now, according to this thread it's 2013...or sometime.. or.....<br />Let it go and have faith. Get on with your lives. Check in, mingle, see the latest "news", as I did not see and like many of you the wasted energy, heartache and now many ways the manipulation of your feelings that are very real and yet , perhaps by accident, are toyed with. TS posted on the 17th, its now the 28th and you wait, wonder and inadvertantly are played. TS intentions are most likely to slowly reveal things. Like a good book, suspense. But that suspense is a taking a toll which you do not truly see and it's affects it has on you. I didn't see it, but when I did I felt peace inside and no longer felt the need to revolve around this hoax nor it's meanings.<br /><br />TS why the game? Why not a new "clue" of the day? Or a " did you know"? Obviously you want us to see things but why this way? A way which DOES have a impact that does not promote well-being but continued turmoil within each of those whom feel "alone". I do not know MJ, but my instincts say he would not approve. <br /><br />So in conculsion, I can hear the naysayers and the responses of "it's an outlet", "we choose to be here", I'm not crazy, you are", yada yada. I am not saying leave the site or get a life but rather you have a life and you are right and you don't need to feel justicified because in the end the truth will reveal itself.<br /><br />Please do no berate me or that which I perceive. I was one of you and only want the best for each of you. Many will deny the possibility I could be right. I accept that and to each his own. But I do this for L.O.V.E for you to enjoy the life you have and time you have it. After 2 years I have a peace I wish for each of you.<br /><br /><br />
Thetimehascome: I respect your post and it was very well written. I am a better person for my 2+ years here and I will never go back to who I was before. Life is a personal journey and mine is richer for this one. Thanks for sharing your thoughts but you can rest your mind knowing any concern you have for this one is unwarranted.
<br />Greetings. I would like to express my intentions and to clarify that which posted previously. I had and hope , no intentions to challenge/debunk/question each of you or TS in that which each believe/authenticity/faith. As my purpose was a twist in the current train of thought that currently exists. <br /><br />As, I continue hesistantly will reveal that I beLIEve and have faith that MJ is alive. I also have been challenged and provoked as to different reasons/theories/TS as to all things why. I have used the knowledge obtained here over last 2 years, that each member as supplied/express/hypothesized upon, incorporated them into my perception and analysis of the events surrounding MJ. My conculsions are my own, yet influenced by many, that are mine and ones in which I do not force others others to believe but to use to obtain a peace of mind among the madness that each of us struggle each day with. However that being said, I know what I believe, and to this point there is nothing short of actually digging MJ up and seeing the " real" dead MJ will ever change. And again, reviewing reply posts as per to my post, it was never intended to be a interpetated as to put in question TS, his presence or factuality of information pertaining to MJ he has provided. In fact many of my conculsions use insight supplied by TS. So I hope this rectifies those misconceptions of my previous post.<br /><br />What occurred to me that day and of many days prior is the reason I felt the need to post those thoughts. What you may not know or realize is that I am you and you are me but our difference is that which I wish to convey , a difference which may provide each of you a peace or perspective as this journey continues.<br /><br />My message was not of authenticity or ARG's as it ventured into. I do think that TS is legit, but do not agree with the methods they use to convey the message. Like each of you as myself, your" faith" borders on obsession, and that which you do believe is so strong, yet so few follow. You have become an isolated group that bond here in order to feel acceptance for that belief. This is not a negative thing purely factual. Over the years there have been countless posts from many questioning one's very sanity in themselves, subilimally reaching out to others who have these and many other feelings that are the same in order to gain some perspective or acceptance in which 99.9% of the world deems insane.<br /><br />Birds of a feather flock together.<br /><br />Now that many of you now are angerd by this, let me supply you a few thoughts intended to achieve a clarity as the days continue. As I did, like you, suffered needless turmoil. This pains me to continue to see when I "check in" here.
<br /><br />You are basing this all on your own mental state while being active here, which is unrelevant and not representative. The fact that it became and obsession to you in the way that you could not oversee the reasons for certain events and probably missed out on a lot of things in your private life, does not mean this goes for the majority of this forum. Most of the people on here know exactly what they are doing and have interaction with others about their field of interest. Others choose to watch 'Days of our lives', 'As the world turns', 'The bold and the beautiful' and all the other soap operas they infect the networks with. In the end they spend an enormous amount of time watching and following them all, freaking out if they miss an episode and learn: zero. Instead of spending those hours watching useless television, people on here choose to follow this hoax and everything that comes with it, which includes, but not contains only, TS' posts. In the end they spend the same amount of time on 'media' as 'sane' people as you apparently like to differ us, yet they learn a lot, much more than they have ever learned at any school or university.<br /><br />
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The numbers here are less and core remains. The site has become more of an audience now as theories have been exhausted. Nothing new, no news, nothing but TS and what he brings. ARG? You could debate the validity that each of you participate in one now. Which coincides with my comment pertaining to method in which TS delievers his revelations.
<br /><br />Aren't you happy that the number of people online here is less than a year ago? Seems that a lot of people indeed did go on with their lives and left the hoax to be played out in time. All those that remained are the hard core hoax followers that do not want to miss out on this adventure, an adventure that was an obsession to you and effected your life in a negative way, but for many is a personal, positive, life-changing journey. Who are you to condemn that merely based on your own experience. I have had many negative experiences with men, doesn't mean I am going to forums to tell others to think twice before they jump into a relationship. My experience is not other's experience, just like your obsession is not anyone else's but your own. <br /><br />
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I believe TS intentions are genuine but perhaps does not realize the effect of the psychological impact he has had on each of us over time. It is one thing to learn the in and outs of the hoax but yet another to present it in such a way that leave the participants constantly seeking more, continuing to feed the very need one might feel to validate the feeling of belief that one has put their faith in. A dangerous , emotion filled game. Simply put....<br /><br />Tell me I am not crazy. <br /><br />I will. To each of you I say...<br /><br />You are right.<br /><br />He is not dead.<br /><br />You know it, feel and most importantly beLIEve it.
<br /><br />Not so much a dangerous game, that's quite the accusation. The fact that you do not understand any of it, does not make it dangerous for the same reasons stated above: your experience is not ours. This hoax takes time and for those who are interested, there is a forum where they can discuss the recent events and follow TS' posts if they like. TS posts are polite, overall formal and informative and in no way did he ever tell us what to do or what to believe, unlike the opposers who are only saying he's is playing a dangerous game, but fail to explain time and time again why. <br /><br />
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And why I do this is simple. Now, according to this thread it's 2013...or sometime.. or.....<br />Let it go and have faith. Get on with your lives. Check in, mingle, see the latest "news", as I did not see and like many of you the wasted energy, heartache and now many ways the manipulation of your feelings that are very real and yet , perhaps by accident, are toyed with. TS posted on the 17th, its now the 28th and you wait, wonder and inadvertantly are played. TS intentions are most likely to slowly reveal things. Like a good book, suspense. But that suspense is a taking a toll which you do not truly see and it's affects it has on you. I didn't see it, but when I did I felt peace inside and no longer felt the need to revolve around this hoax nor it's meanings.<br /><br />TS why the game? Why not a new "clue" of the day? Or a " did you know"? Obviously you want us to see things but why this way? A way which DOES have a impact that does not promote well-being but continued turmoil within each of those whom feel "alone". I do not know MJ, but my instincts say he would not approve.
<br /><br />Who are you to say what the members on here should do with their lives? Each one of us has the freedom to do what they want, read what they want and believe what they want. TS is not the clue-guy, he is the one that is slowly but certainly letting us in on one of the biggest projects in HIStory. If you feel that that is manipulation, then go back to your life, watch the news and soaps and forget about this. This hoax indeed HAS an impact on me, it DOES influence me, but in a GOOD way, and believe me when I say that I do not feel alone in any way. If you look at the forum statistics, I am by far the most online and even I have a life besides this site, so your 'concern' is ungrounded.<br /><br />I do not know Mike either, but I have a very strong instict and it tells me he would not only approve of this, he would even put it in motion.<br /><br />
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So in conculsion, I can hear the naysayers and the responses of "it's an outlet", "we choose to be here", I'm not crazy, you are", yada yada. I am not saying leave the site or get a life but rather you have a life and you are right and you don't need to feel justicified because in the end the truth will reveal itself.<br /><br />Please do no berate me or that which I perceive. I was one of you and only want the best for each of you. Many will deny the possibility I could be right. I accept that and to each his own. But I do this for L.O.V.E for you to enjoy the life you have and time you have it. After 2 years I have a peace I wish for each of you.<br />
<br /><br />We know we are right, thank you. But we do not take the easy way and let it play out, we want to know every detail and be educated. If you are so concerned about people's well-being, I think you are better off conveying your message on a 'World of warcraft' forum, I heard there are pretty serious addiction problems going on, and all they will get in the end is a new game to get even more addicted to. We have a higher goal and we will be here and support Michael any way we can. Go back to your peace and quiet life. If you had such problems being here, you shouldn't have returned. It's like an alcoholic that goes to a bar. But in a way I have the feeling that your sole reason for being here is to discredit TS like you probably did before, yet with a different tactic. Not working. Know that I will not tolerate manipulation of the members to have them turning against TS, without valid argumentation. I have not seen one in the past 2 years and you did not succeed either.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
[urbandictionary]Birds of a feather flock together.<br />[/urbandictionary]<br />Hello Thetimehascome. While I concede we may be at times some strange birds, we are all different. It is unfair of you to generalize and lump us all together like that. <br />We are from all over the world, coming from different life experiences, from differing faiths, and yet we are here for Michael. I want to put your mind at ease. Don't fret yourself that I am suffering and my mind is in turmoil. Please know that my mind knows how to keep it's peace. I LOVE this hoax and this adventure. I even go so far to say that I have fun...yes fun, as well as gaining an invaluable education. You may choose to take a plane trip and arrive at the same destination as the rest of us come BAM day, but I'd rather stick to the old hoax train with the other travellers, and get to savour all the vistas and changing scenes along the way.
@ Ginafelicia<br /> <br />I know, Hun, that she left the hoax... but this person also says they did... but came back...<br />Anyway, this was just a joke from me... bounce/
TS are you MJ?<br />We don't really know so , just in case you are......Happy birthday bearhug <br /><br />@Verylittlesusie is that a pic made by you?! <br />
Anyway, I just wanted to say that MTV Romania had all day dedicated to MJ and, as difficult as it is for me to watch, because it makes me cry so bad, i watched it and I saw again that Crime Scene describing what was told it happened that day and how the paramedics worked on Michael for 20 minutes but they knew he was already dead when they arrived and how Murray insisted they take it to UCLA because he didn't want Michale to be pronounced dead under his care and how at UCLA they tried to bring him back and worked on him for anothe hous but he was gone.....It was hard to see but it reminded me of the threads where you made us talk about what was in the ambulance, a corpse or a dummy or nothing and I still don't have an answer.<br /><br />Then there was about people who workes with MJ and I liked Akond when he told a little story about how they went to a 4D movie and they were talking during the movie and he called him Mike and a little girls almoste recognized Michael who was supposed to be disguised and Akon noticed so he started calling him Dave instead of Mike lol, I really liked this one...<br /><br />Anyway, the day is almost over here but it was so full of emotions, maybe even more than in the last years. <br /><br /><br /><br />
@thetimehascome, thanks for your post and welcome back if you plan on staying. I kinda know what you are saying with having to leave the site for a while. I did find myself on this site all the time and I felt I was neglecting my family in the process. I did have to take a step back and try to live the life that I had before all this had happened. I have always believed in the hoax and I didn't stray when I was away from the site. But, I felt myself getting more engulfed with depression over losing him. I was looking for clues in my small town and my husband was starting to get irritated by it all. He's not a Michael fan so I felt like I was in this on my own. The only way I could connect or express my feelings was to get on this site and post away. I took a month of from posting. But, I would still come on the site and read but I wouldn't post. Whenever I was on the computer I would also type in Michael's name on Yahoo, just to find out if there was any new info. So, thetimehascome, I kinda know where your coming from.
<br />Hmmm...no post from TS on this special day? <br /><br />Have one for me TS!<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.<br />
<br /><br />The day is not over yet my friend it is not evening yet in LA ..... I will wait and watch.<br /><br /><br />Happy Birthday MJ with much love xxx<br /><br /> bearhug <br /><br />Keep watching :-*
<br />Hmmm...no post from TS on this special day? <br /><br />Have one for me TS!<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.<br />
<br />I think this is the day for him to relax and receive our love and wishes! TS,<br /> bearhug <br />
Souza,<br />Others choose to watch 'Days of our lives', 'As the world turns', 'The bold and the beautiful' and all the other soap operas they infect the networks with. In the end they spend an enormous amount of time watching and following them all, freaking out if they miss an episode and learn: zero. Instead of spending those hours watching useless television, people on here choose to follow this hoax and everything that comes with it, which includes, but not contains only, TS' posts. In the end they spend the same amount of time on 'media' as 'sane' people as you apparently like to differ us, yet they learn a lot, much more than they have ever learned at any school or university….<br />Who are you to condemn that merely based on your own experience. I have had many negative experiences with men, doesn't mean I am going to forums to tell others to think twice before they jump into a relationship. My experience is not other's experience, just like your obsession is not anyone else's but your own.<br />
You said it very well Souza, good points! Aint it the truth! Even my own family have tried to talk me out of coming here sometimes, they<br />say out of concern :x . They simply can't figure out why I love coming here so much, and suspect something unhealthy. I guess it ought to be against the law to be having too good a time or something. Heaven must be an illegal place! I can add to your list of things people (I know people who do each of these.) spend huge blocks of daily time away with--all kinds of reality TV, facebook, video games, casinos, hobbies, gardening, church involvement, excercise, reading, going to clubs, watching sports, and much more. So have they spent their time more wisely than us or are more productive in the long run? I've done all of these things except casinos and clubs and I can tell you they are enjoyable yes, and I still do some of them on a limited scale, but they are nothing on the level of excitement and personal satisfaction of what we've experience here for these 2 years. <br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!<br /><br /><br />
<br /> <br />I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.<br /> <br />-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?<br /> <br />- Halloween 2009<br /> <br />-January 2010<br /> <br />- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?<br /><br /><br />My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.<br /> <br />How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?<br /><br />Thank you<br />
<br /> <br />Anna, I don't mean to be disrespectful; but some people continue to be doubting and fearful, no matter how much evidence they get--and you seem to fall in that category.<br /> <br />Most if not all of your questions have been answered already, if you have read all of my posts. Nevertheless, I would be happy to go over it again, and add a few more points, as long as you promise to start being more positive and "keep the faith!" Otherwise, there is little point for me to answer these BAM questions; because you would just find something else to doubt and fret about.<br /> <br />Also, the next redirect (in about an hour) should be sufficient to verify what I said in this thread about the BAM.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />
Yes TS, even Murray said "keep the faith" in that latest TMZ video...<br /><br />And now I have to stay up for at least another hour, thanks TS. :roll: I had hoped Michael's 53rd (5+3=8!) birthday would break your silence.
<br /><br />Last but not least: I will say for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012!!! Previously, I have given probabilities, possibilities, hints, and clues of a BAM from MJ. However, this is the very first time that I have given a BAM timing with certainty—not that I am giving an exact day or even year (could be this year or next), but I am saying that there is a deadline beyond which his BAM will not be extended. I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!<br /><br /><br />
<br /> <br />I have a question, TS, that I wanted to address long time ago. You gave lot of dates and probabilities. From which none happened, and I want to ask you why.<br /> <br />-First one was if I remember, 9.09.2009. How would people have understood by that time the importance of NWO, if there are still people now who don't understand it?<br /> <br />- Halloween 2009<br /> <br />-January 2010<br /> <br />- Michael & Elvis- Double BAM this summer?<br /><br /><br />My memory fails me with other probabilities and dates now.<br /> <br />How were people supposed to understand this all by September/October 2009? Considering LaToya's book 2 years after, and how extremelly grave this all looks like? How were people expected to understand this 2 months after June 25 2009? You gave those dates; judging by that, it would mean it was not that complicated. How did it turn into something that complicated now, being delayed over and over again, if this had a probability to end in October 2009?<br /><br />Thank you<br />
<br /> <br />Anna, I don't mean to be disrespectful; but some people continue to be doubting and fearful, no matter how much evidence they get--and you seem to fall in that category.<br /> <br />Most if not all of your questions have been answered already, if you have read all of my posts. Nevertheless, I would be happy to go over it again, and add a few more points, as long as you promise to start being more positive and "keep the faith!" Otherwise, there is little point for me to answer these BAM questions; because you would just find something else to doubt and fret about.<br /> <br />Also, the next redirect (in about an hour) should be sufficient to verify what I said in this thread about the BAM.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />
<br /><br />Oh great, here I am, going to bed later than I had to go <br /><br />I thought the redirect would be today... missed by a day.<br />
<br />"four years" from 2009....it's not the number is it TS? That word is also spelled, "fore".<br />"Fore" is an adverb meaning: in front of, before, earlier, etc. <br /><br /><br />The statement by MJ "We have four years to get it right." It's not four, it's fore. "We have fore years to get it right."<br />Fore years prior to 2009 is 2005...the year of the trial. Study the fore years...the years prior to 2009. <br /><br /><br />I like this post, TS.....thanks for a bit of "summer school"... I have some more thoughts, but will have to continue later....life is calling! Blessings to you always......even if January 1, 2013 comes about! <br /><br /><br />Have a beautiful day.<br />
<br /><br />If you check the closed caption on the TII DVD, you should find the spelling of "four" and NOT "fore". There is, of course, an interesting four year connection from 2005 to 2009; but four years forward (inclusive) is primarily what is being referred to: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012. Also, Paris just verified the year 2012 on her Twitter--which my next redirect will be about, stay tuned. bounce/<br /><br />
I'm tuned TS....no worries there, lol. Yes, I realized the "fore" was a stretch....however, I suppose that's what this is all about. Thinking things through all the way, from all possible angles. While we are on the subject of inclusive numbers....how would Michael count his age? Would he count it 53 or 54.....with inclusive numbering (just curious, really......maybe I'm older than I think ). Looking forward to your redirect. I am sure it will be interesting! Thanks for the response...I appreciate you taking the time for it.<br /><br /><br />Have a beautiful day! <br />Blessings Always<br />
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."