We’ve come this far, and we ARE going forward as a tight-knit group who love each other after 4 years. And we do! That’s all I have to say about that. He's counting on us. <br /><br />Hes<br />
Just because you read it in a magazine (in this case book) or see it on a movie screen don’t make it actual, factual. Michael told us that years ago and judging on books, mags, articles I’ve seen, reviewed, read of late, he nailed it.
<br />You know, with all the books on MJ that have come out, and especially T Mesereau speaking in support of Sullivan’s controversial book, I believe each of the books likely have some falsehoods and half-truths. How do you get out information to a general population with evil people reading everything too to silence it? You hide truths amongst the garbage they are used to, just so they’ll pick it up and read it. Like I said before, it's called infiltration and camoflage tactics.<br />
<br />TIAI Revealed, Part 7: NWO Powers Control the Mass Media (R29 - R42)<br />[...]<br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />R29. MJ on Police Brutality<br />{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO7wOwdTwB8}<br /><br />The redirect for this day was another YouTube video; it was a segment on police brutality, from the 60 minutes interview in December of 2003. It is of course very sad the way that MJ was treated; but the truly heroic part, was his humble and mild response—you have to watch it, if you haven’t already.<br />Later in this same interview (part 3), Michael said: “I don’t want to say too much … there’s a conspiracy, yeah; I don’t want to say too much. I’m done.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK9jyZaCgVc, at 8:20} [size=12pt]You see, he didn’t want to say much, because he knew the danger involved in exposing the NWO powers. And no, he was not talking about some small-town conspiracy; he was talking “media” conspiracy, and “manipulating history books”,[/size] etc. Watch the following YouTube video; it has good information, even though they mistakenly think that he was murdered {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbK41pGa3IA}.<br /><br />[...]<br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /><br />R35. Google Search on Various Conspiracy Murders<br />{http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1W1SUNA_en&tbo=0&q=conspiracy+%22pearl+harbor%22+jfk+rfk+mlk+%22princess+di%22+911+titanic+...&aq=f&oq=&aqi}<br />[...]<br />The list on the Google search was Pearl Harbor, [size=12pt]JFK, RFK, MLK, Princess Di, 911, and the Titanic[/size]; Pearl Harbor was listed first, because that redirect was on December 7 (Pearl Harbor Day, 68th anniversary). Some said that other cases should’ve been included. However, there wasn’t much more room in the search box; if you looked close, though, there were three dots at the end (…) to indicate more—yes, there are many more cases. And all of the cases listed have common elements: conspiracy by corrupt powers in the government to murder their own people, and for the purpose of establishing the NWO.<br /><br />[size=12pt]Also, about half of the listed cases have close connection with MJ:[/size] he knew Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwalk_(book)}; here is a YouTube video with MJ and Lady Diana {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0aG8SXa-j8}; and MLK III spoke at MJ’s memorial {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPOCwa4YnMQ}.<br /><br />[...]- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />R36. Aphrodite Jones and Thomas Mesereau (MJ Conspiracy)<br />{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwehjDPOYU}<br />[...]<br />Now back to the “MJ Conspiracy” book and video. Quite obviously, there was a conspiracy against MJ, even though it wasn’t a murder conspiracy. And the testimony from Aphrodite shows that people involved in a conspiracy may not even know it themselves (only the upper levels understand). And even after she recognized the conspiracy, it seems that she only saw media and money as the source of the conspiracy—not the NWO powers controlling the media.<br />The conspiracy did succeed to the extent of damaging MJ’s reputation; but it did not succeed to the extent of the court finding him guilty. At the end of the video clip, Aphrodite asked a very appropriate question: “Why are we still crucifying this man? He was found not guilty.”<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />R37. Daniel and the Lion’s Den<br />{http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%206:22&version=NLT}<br /><br />“My God sent his angel to shut the lions’ mouths so that they would not hurt me, for I have been found innocent in his sight. And I have not wronged you, Your Majesty.” (Daniel 6:22, NLT).<br />As always, the context of the verse is important. In this case, it is the very well known story of Daniel and the lion’s den. High officials in the kingdom hated Daniel, and conspired to get rid of him; but God overruled, saved Daniel’s life, and vindicated his character. I’m sure that you can see the parallel here, with the conspiracy against MJ. God thwarted the plans of MJ’s enemies, and he was found not guilty on all charges.<br /><br />Now let’s stop and think here for a minute. [size=12pt] These NWO leaders are capable of sinking a whole ship, and killing over 1,500 people on it, just to get rid of a few people. They brought down the trade towers, which killed masses of people; they killed the US President (JFK), as well as his son—and the list goes on.<br />Then don’t you think they are capable of taking MJ out? So why didn’t they succeed in killing MJ before 2009? In fact, why didn’t they succeed in the child molestation charges? There is a very simple answer: as with Daniel, God shut the mouths of the lions, and thwarted the conspiracies of the government officials.<br /><br />Why did God protect MJ, and not JFK, MLK, etc? Perhaps only God understands that fully; but it could well be that God has a special plan for MJ, in the final battle against the NWO. Maybe God has a mission for MJ, and has protected him from his enemies “for such a time as this” (Esther 4:14).[/size]<br />Then if God can protect MJ in 1993, and in 2005, and clear up to 6-25-09: then don’t you think that God can still protect him after 6-25-09? In fact, don’t you think that God could protect his life ON 6-25-09??? Then why do we keep being faithless, and thinking that he really died?<br />If God wants to keep MJ alive, or you, or anyone else: not all the weapons in the whole world can kill. Just like Daniel in the lion’s den: “My God sent his angel to shut the lions’ mouths so that they would not hurt me …”<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />R38. “People Should Not Be Afraid of Their Governments. …”<br />{http://rlv.zcache.com/people_should_not_be_afraid_of_their_government_bumper_sticker-p128385723565042693trl0_400.jpg}<br /><br />The full quote says: “People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.” As most already know, this is a quote from [size=12pt]the “V for Vendetta” film. [/size]This clue was quite obvious, and didn’t need any deep investigation. Yet this had more than one reason, as usual.<br />Especially after the section on the Kennedys, people were saying that TIAI was trying to create fear in order to control people. It is sad that people try to find an evil motive in everything; yet with the condition of society, there is a great deal of evil out there—so it is understandable. So this redirect was given to help people see that TIAI was not trying to create fear in the people; if anything, it is intended to create fear in the corrupt leaders committing these crimes.<br />[...]<br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />R39. Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.<br />{http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251494/photo.jhtml}<br /><br />[size=12pt]This clue was one of the still shots, from the TII trailer; specifically, an army of soldiers, with an “M” in the center of the background (Michael’s army). Take a look at a close up picture of the soldiers, and you will see that they are not carrying guns or weapons [/size]{http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251493/photo.jhtml}. This is because it’s an Army of L.O.V.E., not an army of violence.<br />These soldiers in the TII movie were filmed as part of [size=12pt]the song “They Don’t Really Care About Us”. This army needs to stand up against the NWO corruption, the very ones that MJ is singing about—who don’t really care about us, but kill thousands of their own citizens to forward their evil agenda.[/size]<br />[...]- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<br />TIAI Revealed, Part 3: Purpose of TIAI (R1 - R7)<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />R7. Liberian Girl Video on YouTube<br />{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9VwJHoI3TY}<br /><br />Last but not least, this video was chosen because of the title: Liberian Girl. The root word here is liberty! And once again, that is one of the main purposes for the MJ hoax and the TIAI message: to help bring awareness and freedom from the corruption in the government and in the media. “In what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom …” (see R48).
<br />TIAI Revealed, Part 6: “This Is It” Movie Rating (R20 - R28)<br />[...]<br />“Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace {http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf}: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world.”<br />[...]<br />[size=12pt]Then what about the MJ “Return” to public view, when will that be? Well, the sad thing is that potentially he could’ve returned at Halloween; but we were not ready. We did not understand the NWO conspiracy aspect of the hoax, or the seriousness of it; in fact, the old MJHD was forbidding discussion on this subject! And just a few days later, it went down and was out for about a week. We simply were not ready for MJ to return yet; if he had, in all the excitement, people would’ve had little or no interest in studying into the NWO aspects of the hoax.[/size]<br /><br />Since people were not ready for the MJ return at Halloween: immediately after the TII movie was released, TIAI was set up. The purpose of TIAI was (and still is) to give MJ fans, and especially hoax believers, a better understanding and bigger picture of the hoax and the reasons for it; this in turn would help prepare the way for the MJ “Return”!<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - <br /><br />R23. Seventy Seven<br />{http://images.clubzone.com/company/images/3175.jpg}<br /><br /><br /><br />This “Seventy Seven” image had several meanings. Most obvious, is the many sevens surrounding MJ. This image also looks similar to the MJ logo; most have seen this already, but if you haven’t seen it yet: you can see it on this good website {http://www.myspace.com/thisisalsomj}<br /><br />[size=12pt]Another meaning here is the upside down pyramid. The illuminati likes the regular pyramid (like on the back of the U.S. one dollar bill): with the few on top, controlling the masses below. Turning the pyramid upside down represents the masses controlling the few (government afraid of the people).<br />If you write “666” on a regular pyramid, and then turn it over so that you have an upside down pyramid, the numbers become “999”. You see, MJ plans to turn the NWO upside down with the hoax, revolving around the 9-9-09 date.[/size]<br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<br />TIAI Revealed, Part 8: The End Is Near (R43 - R48)<br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />R48. “In What Will Go Down in HIStory<br />as the Greatest Demonstration for Freedom ... 999”<br />{http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&um=1&q=%22In%20what%20will%20go%20down%20in%20HIStory%20as%20the%20greatest%20demonstration%20for%20freedom%20...%20999%22&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi}<br /><br />This is a quote from Martin Luther King Junior’s speech, titled “I Have a Dream”. And as most of you know already, MJ used this in “They Don’t Really Care About Us” (in the film). Of course this could be yet another amazing coincidence; but it really seems like MJ used this phrase in that song, [size=14pt]because the death hoax would go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom from the NWO and media control (as well as other aspects of freedom).[/size]<br /><br />The “999” was put at the end, to keep any images from coming up in the search; that would keep this final message fairly simple and straightforward. Yes, there are some interesting properties of 999 {http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu999.php}. And finally, this “999” was included in the redirect, as one last clue about 9-9-09.
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<br />[...] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />[size=14pt]1-7. Why Would the “Return” Depend on Hoaxers?[/size]<br /><br />Several have asked: why would the timing of the MJ return be dependent (at least partly) upon few thousand hoax believers, and their understanding/accepting the TIAI information? [size=12pt]A simple answer is that the reaction of the few before the return, can be a pretty good indicator of the reaction of the many after the return[/size]<br />{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1991}.<br /><br />But think about it. After returning, MJ can speak publicly about the environment and other issues related to healing the world; but with some aspects, well I think you can figure things out. As soon as MJ returns, there will be a stampede on all the hoax forums; there will be tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, suddenly interested in what we have been investigating and saying all along. So if we hoax believers now are united on the reasons for the hoax: it will be much more effective when others come asking questions, than if we are all confused and disagreeing on the reasons for the hoax.<br /><br />Here is how Mo put it: “It's a process to make people AWARE of what is going on. If you don't research, read, learn and understand, you won't become aware. If S.T.U.D.Y., TS or any Anonymous poster would have told you plain out who he/she is and where all the info he/she has came from, you would not have read the full explanation and wouldn't have learned anything. TIAI pointed out to conspiracies and [size=12pt]NWO[/size], and those issues were rejected by a lot of people until TIAI pointed out to them. Me? Guilty as charged... I skipped the ‘[size=12pt]Illuminati[/size]’ threads as well until TIAI forced me to look into this whole issue. After researching it, and not reading up on the conspiracies and NWO only, a lot of things became clear to me.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1936&start=75}<br /><br />So if there are any questions or objections that I have not addressed in this thread, please post them in the replies below; and I will answer them directly right here in the replies (I will watch this thread pretty closely, for the next week or two, and respond to things as needed—so as to help clear the way as far as possible for a speedy “Return”).
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<br />[...] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - <br />1-16. The New World Order?<br /><br />This subject generated responses from one extreme, that the New World Order (NWO) doesn’t even exist—and in fact can’t possibly exist—all the way to the other extreme of: “We’ve known about the NWO for decades, so TIAI was just a waste of time.” Well guess what: both of these two extreme complaints can’t possibly be true! And in fact, neither of the complaints are valid.<br /><br />Even if all hoax believers already understood the NWO/conspiracy aspects (and many did not, before TIAI): still, the redirects and explanations of them (TIAI Revealed) are not just for hoax investigators now—they are also for the MJ fan stampede, which will surely hit the hoax web pages once the MJ return occurs. Furthermore, there has been a major awakening on these subjects since the start of TIAI—not only on the hoax forums, but also on YouTube and other websites. The MJalive999 video on TIAI part 1 now has more than 16,000 views! {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFpn45po5A}<br /><br />[size=12pt]For those who thought that the NWO doesn’t even exist (because if it did, they would control the internet—and we wouldn’t be able to find any information about them): the NWO is very powerful, but not all powerful. There are still many good people in powerful positions in this world; in fact, there are some good people in the secret societies (although in the lower levels, where they don’t really understand the agenda of the upper levels).[/size]<br /><br />None questioning the existence of the NWO bothered to step up to the plate, and explain why there has never been any video of an airplane flying into the Pentagon. If this doesn’t convince you of major conspiracy in our own government, then nothing will. And if you are convinced of this, then you can be certain that the NWO is very real and very powerful (USA being the most powerful government on earth); and in fact George Bush Sr. is the one who announced the “New World Order” (see again the EndGame trailer in TIAI Revealed, Part 3). Neither did any NWO skeptic bother to explain why JFK Jr’s fuel selector was shut off, during his plane crash.<br /><br />[size=12pt]Do MJ and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in conspiracies and the NWO, etc? Yes, they do! In fact, MJ specifically put the JFK conspiracy in his 1995 “Tabloid Junkie” song (which is actually about lies in all the media—not just tabloid media): [/size]“JFK exposed the CIA. Truth be told the grassy knoll” {http://www.lyrics007.com/Michael%20Jackson%20Lyrics/Tabloid%20Junkie%20Lyrics.html; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_Junkie}. You see, MJ was showing that JFK was killed for exposing conspiracies in our own government (CIA). And the “truth” about JFK is the “grassy knoll”, which is the conspiracy version of the killing—not the government’s “lone gunman” theory {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_gunman}.<br /><br />[size=12pt]When MJ was talking in “This Is It”, about the 4 years: [/size]he said don’t wait for the government. And in the song “They Don’t Really Care About Us”, the word “they” is not primarily about the media. {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r75j3f-IOs4; http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/29/mj-friend-he-almost-died-during-trial/; <br />http://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/michaels-late-night-voice-mails-said-he-was-scared-for-his-life-t1686.htm; <br />http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1634}<br /><br />[size=12pt]The banned version of the video is about prison [/size]{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAi3dJIJwgI}—and who runs prisons: the media, or the government? The other version has MJ singing “you can never kill me” {at 1:05, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q}; and this is while he’s standing beside the NWO all-seeing eye, that is also on the back of the USA one dollar bill (which says Novus Ordo Seclorum under the eye, and is Latin for New World Order {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Novus_ordo_seclorum}).<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />[size=14pt]1-17. The End of the (New) World (Order)?[/size]<br /><br />As we already saw above, Jehovah’s Witnesses do believe that the end of the world is near. Different people have different ideas about what will take place at the “end of the world”; but many Christians and even other religions believe that something major is very near.<br /><br />MJ himself was very clear about the 4 years; and even if it was only the environment (and he never said that the 4 years is only about the environment): it would still be the end of the world, if the damage to the environment becomes irreversible.<br /><br />Also, the “2012” movie came from Sony—just like “This Is It”; and Tommy Mottola is no longer with Sony {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Mottola}. The “2012” movie came out right after “This Is It”, and the “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels in “2012” are not just coincidence. Therefore, MJ does believe that the end of the world is near.<br /><br />The original “2012” trailer had a message at the end, recommending people take it seriously and not just fiction: “Find Out the Truth Google Search: 2012” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbEI8pDz0A}. Currently, if you type a “2” into the Google search window (or YouTube), the very first suggestion is “2012” (and about three more suggestions below have “2012” in them). This means that a lot of people are searching for truth about the end of the world.<br />[...] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br />What I have done, is worked hard to promote truth about MJ: “the truth will prevail”! I’m only trying to help spread the truth, Michael’s message, and help people be ready for the end of the world—nothing more, and nothing less. If that is a crime, then I will be the first one to eagerly plead guilty.
<br /><br />[ . . .]<br /><br />I don't see the Illuminati subject as an alternative to the FBI sting. But more like another facet of the cube.<br />Regarding the subject: [size=12pt]DWD patient vs. dummy/live Mj [/size]- to me things are clear: both theories are plausible, but I incline to believe DWD patient theory is more valid than the other one.<br />I believe the FBI is very much involved in Michael's hoax and there are some bad guys to catch, otherwise FBI wouldn't have even bothered!<br /><br />But that is just one aspect , just one "corridor" of the whole hoax labirint! <br /><br />[size=12pt]Michael's fight against NWO/Illuminati was OBVIOUS both before and even MORE so after June 25th, 2009.[/size]<br />The way I see it... Michael has a lot of highly positioned enemies, but he also has many POWERFUL friends! <br />At this point, all the managment/political/military/government institutions seem to be dominated/infiltrated with the bad guys (Illuminati/banker-families/bloodline leaders), including FBI, corruption is everywhere...<br />BUT that does not mean that there aren't some good guys too, willing to help, probably disgusted, sick and tired by the injustice, the conspiracy , the corruption that are installed right now.<br /><br />Maybe the help that Michael received from the authorities (FBI, police, Justice system) isn't necessarily OFFICIALLy acknowledged in those institutions! Maybe it's done in some camouflaged form, clandestine operation.<br />IDK, I am just guessing... Maybe that's why things cannot be entirely revealed YET! We are only put on the waiting mode, and given a bit of orientation... If that's true, then what @MjonMind said about this possibly being a STING not only for the media, fans, Justice system, music industry, pharmaceutical industry, BUT also on the corruption inside FBI! SO a sting by the FBI on the FBI!? Wow! Sounds crazy! but not impossible!<br /><br /><br />
I mean yes he is one of the biggest stars on the planet with a huge following but these 'secret societies', whatever you want to call them wouldn't tell him anything about their plans even if he was a puppet of theirs.
Just like inside government insitutions there can be good guys and bad guys, so it is inside those secret societies!<br />WHat if all the good people from these organizations decided to form their own "secret society" and act from the shadow against the bad guys!?<br />How else could anyone beat these bad guys who operate in secrecy, how else could anyone overcome them other than by using their same weapons!? Which means: conspiracy, secrecy, stings, plots, betrayal - ANYTHING that they do for their attorcious purposes, well imagine the good guys using exactly the same "methods" only to expose them, conquer them! V for Vendetta!<br /><br />I am a dreamer I know! :icon_lol:
<br /><br />[ . . . ]<br /><br />Yes of course, FBI operations are not uniquely/strictly focused on organizing STINGs.<br />But so far, throughout this hoax, we've seen many signs, clues and also direct hints made by TS and also by the family (LaToya), that at least in this death hoax, the FBI involvement is focused on a STING operation meant to reveal a conspiracy! the word conspiracy had been mentioned countless times by Michael and his family in numerous interviews!!<br /> A conspiracy of that caliber (2 false allegation trials + money extortion + album sabotage - "Invincible" + death threats + media bashing) can only be stopped with the help/involvement of an authority such as FBI and the best "modus-operandi" in such cases is the STING!<br />TS dedicated 2 levels and several large posts on the subject of FBI and the STING!<br />I think we should NOT dismiss this as just a mere 'TS-prank/test".<br />he may have "played' with us here and there, throwing some small false leads to us, to check if we follow that blindly or we use our logic! <br />But I doubt he had invested so much time and energy on this them (FBI - sting operation) just for all to be a farse for us!<br />That's why the DWD theory seems to be the most plausible of all! because in such serious case, for such a sting, FBI doesn't "play with dolls/dummies and other weak materials like that! things HAD to be as REAL as possible!!! FBI never leaves place for mistakes! they don't want to compromise the work of so many people (most paid with public money) by working with "plastic-patients" !<br />PLUS: remember, we still don't have all the subjects targeted by this sting! Who knows what dark affairs FBI intends to uncover/prove/de-conspire through the use of the DWD practice!!<br /><br />[ . . . ]<br /><br />I think one important reason for Michael to go out publicly and drop all these conspiracy statements were also to help him gain validity later for the purpose of faking his death! <br /><br />Therefore either during the hoax or better said after the BAM! he will be able to say: <br />"Look, people of the world, I had drawn so many alarm signals in the past about what was happening to me!! and YET NO real measure had been taken! I had been ignored and left to deal with those problems by myself! And that's how I decided to fake my death with the help of the FBI! It was the only way to make the hate stop and to bring out the conspiracy-snakes! And since I was being forced to recur to such an extreme method, I also took advantage to make it a FUN incredible experience for my FANS and this way to bring INNOVATION in the entertainment industry! at the same time the FBI having their own share of the whole thing: catching the big sharks from the pharmaceutical industry!" <br /><br />^^ JMO JMO! JMO!! loll It's just my imagination of how MJ would explain the hoax after the BAM!!<br />I really can't think of another possible version!!<br /> <br />[....]<br /><br />I understand why the death hoax/sting is 'against the media" for all the OBVIOUS reasons!<br />I don't understand why a STING "against the fans"? As if the fans had done something wrong!?<br /><br />I would understand though a farse/hoax/entertainment side of this whole project, being made FOR US, the fans (hoaxers + deaders) just for the sake of making us experience the adventure of a lifetime , here including the INNOVATION in the entertainment industry!<br />^^ THAT I can understand and I have NO doubt that IT is INDEED one of the reasons (WHYs) of Michael's death hoax.<br />But I don't see it as something "against the fans". <br /><br />Then, moving on... [....]<br />Are those 2 ^^ really the only reasons of this death hoax? Entertainment and making the media pay for their crap? I doubt it.<br /><br />This is a much more elaborated plan than just that! He wouldn't have needed 10-20 years to only plan a hoax for the media and his fans.<br />Things go way deeper and there is ABSOLUTELY a danger-factor (conspiracy, death threat, sting) in it all! <br />PLUS the following:<br /><br />1. There is also an environmental factor (Save the Planet, heal the World)<br />2. There is a humanitarian factor (fund raising, Children's hospital, though all the hoax-products that came out and that will continue to come out even after the BAM!)<br />3. There is also a cleansing/clearing aspect of Michael's image!<br />4. There is the aspect of corruption in the Justice System, Music and Pharmaceutic Industries!<br />5. There is also the FBI aspect who may have 2 major interests in getting involved in this hoax: 1. make light in Michael's case of conspiracy against him and 2. some hidden/top secret purpose that would serve only the government/FBI and that we may probably never find out!<br /><br />And if I left out other important aspects, pls feel free to add to the list.
<br /><br /><br />Therefore either during the hoax or better said after the BAM! he will be able to say: <br />"Look, people of the world, I had drawn so many alarm signals in the past about what was happening to me!! and YET NO real measure had been taken! I had been ignored and left to deal with those problems by myself! And that's how I decided to fake my death with the help of the FBI! It was the only way to make the hate stop and to bring out the conspiracy-snakes! And since I was being forced to recur to such an extreme method, I also took advantage to make it a FUN incredible experience for my FANS and this way to bring INNOVATION in the entertainment industry! at the same time the FBI having their own share of the whole thing: catching the big sharks from the pharmaceutical industry!" <br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Just imagine Michael saying the very same speech after the Bam ! OMG that would be phenomenally phenomenal !! :woohoo2:
<br /><br />[ . . .]<br /><br />I don't see the Illuminati subject as an alternative to the FBI sting. But more like another facet of the cube.<br />Regarding the subject: [size=12pt]DWD patient vs. dummy/live Mj [/size]- to me things are clear: both theories are plausible, but I incline to believe DWD patient theory is more valid than the other one.<br />I believe the FBI is very much involved in Michael's hoax and there are some bad guys to catch, otherwise FBI wouldn't have even bothered!<br /><br />But that is just one aspect , just one "corridor" of the whole hoax labirint! <br /><br />[size=12pt]Michael's fight against NWO/Illuminati was OBVIOUS both before and even MORE so after June 25th, 2009.[/size]<br />The way I see it... Michael has a lot of highly positioned enemies, but he also has many POWERFUL friends! <br />At this point, all the managment/political/military/government institutions seem to be dominated/infiltrated with the bad guys (Illuminati/banker-families/bloodline leaders), including FBI, corruption is everywhere...<br />BUT that does not mean that there aren't some good guys too, willing to help, probably disgusted, sick and tired by the injustice, the conspiracy , the corruption that are installed right now.<br /><br />Maybe the help that Michael received from the authorities (FBI, police, Justice system) isn't necessarily OFFICIALLy acknowledged in those institutions! Maybe it's done in some camouflaged form, clandestine operation.<br />IDK, I am just guessing... Maybe that's why things cannot be entirely revealed YET! We are only put on the waiting mode, and given a bit of orientation... If that's true, then what @MjonMind said about this possibly being a STING not only for the media, fans, Justice system, music industry, pharmaceutical industry, BUT also on the corruption inside FBI! SO a sting by the FBI on the FBI!? Wow! Sounds crazy! but not impossible!<br /><br /><br />
I mean yes he is one of the biggest stars on the planet with a huge following but these 'secret societies', whatever you want to call them wouldn't tell him anything about their plans even if he was a puppet of theirs.
Just like inside government insitutions there can be good guys and bad guys, so it is inside those secret societies!<br />WHat if all the good people from these organizations decided to form their own "secret society" and act from the shadow against the bad guys!?<br />How else could anyone beat these bad guys who operate in secrecy, how else could anyone overcome them other than by using their same weapons!? Which means: conspiracy, secrecy, stings, plots, betrayal - ANYTHING that they do for their attorcious purposes, well imagine the good guys using exactly the same "methods" only to expose them, conquer them! V for Vendetta!<br /><br />I am a dreamer I know! :icon_lol:
<br /><br />[ . . . ]<br /><br />Yes of course, FBI operations are not uniquely/strictly focused on organizing STINGs.<br />But so far, throughout this hoax, we've seen many signs, clues and also direct hints made by TS and also by the family (LaToya), that at least in this death hoax, the FBI involvement is focused on a STING operation meant to reveal a conspiracy! the word conspiracy had been mentioned countless times by Michael and his family in numerous interviews!!<br /> A conspiracy of that caliber (2 false allegation trials + money extortion + album sabotage - "Invincible" + death threats + media bashing) can only be stopped with the help/involvement of an authority such as FBI and the best "modus-operandi" in such cases is the STING!<br />TS dedicated 2 levels and several large posts on the subject of FBI and the STING!<br />I think we should NOT dismiss this as just a mere 'TS-prank/test".<br />he may have "played' with us here and there, throwing some small false leads to us, to check if we follow that blindly or we use our logic! <br />But I doubt he had invested so much time and energy on this them (FBI - sting operation) just for all to be a farse for us!<br />That's why the DWD theory seems to be the most plausible of all! because in such serious case, for such a sting, FBI doesn't "play with dolls/dummies and other weak materials like that! things HAD to be as REAL as possible!!! FBI never leaves place for mistakes! they don't want to compromise the work of so many people (most paid with public money) by working with "plastic-patients" !<br />PLUS: remember, we still don't have all the subjects targeted by this sting! Who knows what dark affairs FBI intends to uncover/prove/de-conspire through the use of the DWD practice!!<br /><br />[ . . . ]<br /><br />I think one important reason for Michael to go out publicly and drop all these conspiracy statements were also to help him gain validity later for the purpose of faking his death! <br /><br />Therefore either during the hoax or better said after the BAM! he will be able to say: <br />"Look, people of the world, I had drawn so many alarm signals in the past about what was happening to me!! and YET NO real measure had been taken! I had been ignored and left to deal with those problems by myself! And that's how I decided to fake my death with the help of the FBI! It was the only way to make the hate stop and to bring out the conspiracy-snakes! And since I was being forced to recur to such an extreme method, I also took advantage to make it a FUN incredible experience for my FANS and this way to bring INNOVATION in the entertainment industry! at the same time the FBI having their own share of the whole thing: catching the big sharks from the pharmaceutical industry!" <br /><br />^^ JMO JMO! JMO!! loll It's just my imagination of how MJ would explain the hoax after the BAM!!<br />I really can't think of another possible version!!<br /> <br />[....]<br /><br />I understand why the death hoax/sting is 'against the media" for all the OBVIOUS reasons!<br />I don't understand why a STING "against the fans"? As if the fans had done something wrong!?<br /><br />I would understand though a farse/hoax/entertainment side of this whole project, being made FOR US, the fans (hoaxers + deaders) just for the sake of making us experience the adventure of a lifetime , here including the INNOVATION in the entertainment industry!<br />^^ THAT I can understand and I have NO doubt that IT is INDEED one of the reasons (WHYs) of Michael's death hoax.<br />But I don't see it as something "against the fans". <br /><br />Then, moving on... [....]<br />Are those 2 ^^ really the only reasons of this death hoax? Entertainment and making the media pay for their crap? I doubt it.<br /><br />This is a much more elaborated plan than just that! He wouldn't have needed 10-20 years to only plan a hoax for the media and his fans.<br />Things go way deeper and there is ABSOLUTELY a danger-factor (conspiracy, death threat, sting) in it all! <br />PLUS the following:<br /><br />1. There is also an environmental factor (Save the Planet, heal the World)<br />2. There is a humanitarian factor (fund raising, Children's hospital, though all the hoax-products that came out and that will continue to come out even after the BAM!)<br />3. There is also a cleansing/clearing aspect of Michael's image!<br />4. There is the aspect of corruption in the Justice System, Music and Pharmaceutic Industries!<br />5. There is also the FBI aspect who may have 2 major interests in getting involved in this hoax: 1. make light in Michael's case of conspiracy against him and 2. some hidden/top secret purpose that would serve only the government/FBI and that we may probably never find out!<br /><br />And if I left out other important aspects, pls feel free to add to the list.
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<br /><br /><br />@SimPatty...to be honest, I've been away from forum sooooo long for me to offer a suggestion or opinion at this point would be downright criminal (not to mention extremely ignorant on my part). (I know better than to try to speak on something I have absolutely no clue about, especially regarding recent discoveries and research), for I'm sure I would be swiftly & severely corrected for attempting to do so.<br /><br />At this point I wouldn't even remember what I commented on on any given topic in the past, so please forgive my confusion. :icon_redface:<br /><br />The information you gave is a good place for me to start again, Thank You!<br /><br />....I see I have quite a bit of catching up to do this weekend :icon_eek:
Interesting tweet from Paris today (12-7-12) considering the recent discussion in this thread the past few pages:<br /> <br />
<br />Paris JacksoηVerified<br />@ParisJackson<;br /><br />change comes from thinking thoughts you've never thought before and showing up to meet them down streets you've never walked before .<br />
<br />From the day I registered on this forum to now, I never got into any of this stuff, I usually let things just go by because its easy to say something on the internet when you're not directly talking to the person face to face, which makes it common for arguments and disagreements to go back and forth and that's not the way I do things.<br /><br />It baffles me to see the lack of consistency on this forum. Although I am all for different opinions and discussions of different sides and ideas, some of the thinking that is put out on here is completely lopsided. <br /><br />Just by being on here is a claim that we are open minded yet some of us ridicule others for their open-mindedness on a particular subject. People complain about being mistreated and ridiculed by unbelievers because you believe MJ is alive, yet you do the very same thing you are against. Tell me what is wrong with this picture? It surprises me to see the constant contradiction and hypocrisy. Yeah sure have your opinion but a little respect would be of benefit. I don't care what anyone's opinion is, the only problem I have with an opinion is where that comment is coming from.<br /><br />I mean how did some people make it this far on a board like this, it is as open minded as you can get. I mean we've heard it all before with the unbelievers ridiculing our theories so it gets kinda old when forum members do it to, if we didn't get so much already, I mean really.<br /><br />The way I see it is that the root of the problem is what people think of MJ. You see it with unbelievers, they despise the idea that MJ faked his death, it's almost like poison in their mouth every time you speak of it. And yet on top of that their only reasons are...'because he would do that to his fans', 'because he wouldn't do that to his children' etc. Same here, yeah MJ might have know the main details of 9/11 or he might only know some of it or maybe even none of it, but what is stopping some people to explore those option, is it your preconceived notion of MJ?...like BTC said (great post by the way, in fact a lot of great posts) 'I'd rather be way off base in investigating something....than to be ignorant.'<br /><br />The fact of the matter is, I get the feeling (and I could be way off) is that some people see MJ as the pure/innocent and perfect human being in every way. Forget what you think you knew or thought you knew, take in what you now should know and make room to discover the man you never knew. Because I have some breaking news for you...no one ever really knew the man.<br /><br />Finally I will say this, believe what you want to believe, have your say but also have some manners so as to not compromise or forfeit the respect that other members give to you. Nothing is more destructive to morale than lack of respect.<br /><br />That is all I will say on the matter.<br />
<br /><br />I love this post use_your_illusion!! I could not have said it better!<br /><br />It echos much of what I have said in the past especially the fact that as you said, "no one ever really knew the man." !!!!!<br /><br />Stay blessed!<br />OnTheWingsOfLove
R39. Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.<br />http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251494/photo.jhtml<br /><br />This clue was one of the still shots, from the TII trailer; specifically, an army of soldiers, with an “M” in the center of the background (Michael’s army). Take a look at a close up picture of the soldiers, and you will see that they are not carrying guns or weapons
<br /><br />In this, I have to oppose once more. A close look reveals that the arc does not have the shape of an "M" but the shape of a "P1" which is a known abbreviation in military, digital photography, bible studies and entertainment technology.<br /><br />P1 points to "global" as military batches are referring to WWII.<br />Just for the fun of mentioning it, there's this one with a sizzeling mission on a nine star sun and green background:<br /><br /><br />My interpretation of the arc is that P1 army should become a global movement, not MJ's fan movement. <br />We are talking BIG mission. <br />Fans will not be believed and the mission is likely to fail. We need "normal" John Does off the street to join P1.<br />Why TS mentioned obviously false details remains open for any interpretation. <br />In the end all that counts is what we understand, not who said what.<br /><br /><br /><br />
[size=12pt]@ellyd: Interesting comment!! never knew about that!! tks for sharing!![/size]<br /><br /><br /><br />
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Interesting tweet from Paris today (12-7-12) considering the recent discussion in this thread the past few pages:<br />
Paris JacksoηVerified @ParisJackson<;br /><br />change comes from thinking thoughts you've never thought before and showing up to meet them down streets you've never walked before .
/>I have taken a screen shot of it too but don't know how to paste it here.
Here it is<br /><br /><br />Yeah ADI, I saw her twit last night before going to bed and thought exactly as you!<br /><br />She talks about new thoughts... new streets.... reminded me of what I wrote about exploring "new fields/territory and new knowledge...." :icon_e_wink:<br /><br />
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<br />'I'd rather be way off base in investigating something....than to be ignorant.'<br /><br />The irony of this statement is that if one is 'way off base', then one is fundamentally 'ignorant', in the sense of lacking accurate knowledge![...]
<br />IMO there's no irony to that statement.<br />It just simply says one should have [size=12pt]the courage to explore many fields[/size] , even if some of them will take you to a dead end (being "way off base").<br />But some will take you to[size=12pt] NEW fields, NEW knowledge![/size]<br />The risk of remaining ignorant equals with just staying in that one safe "comfortable" place - being afraid/reluctant to go to [size=12pt]an unknown territory.[/size]
I was rereading some posts last night and came across this one that I somehow missed. Very interesting thoughts indeed...thanks MJonmind...and thanks for the masoncode link, I started reading there and find it fascinating! <br /><br />
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<br />Sim, I agree with you. Actually Scripture says that "by their fruits you shall know them", whether they be good or evil. Though MJ or any person for that matter, does the secret symbols or is a member is not the key thing. We are ALL part of the system, just lower down, whether we think we are or not--we are born into it. All history is part of it, and I mean ALL. Also it doesn't mean there not are struggles going on ALL the time within all of these secret structures, divisions. And sometimes the secret societies deliberately set up 2 sides that fight against each other--elections are one example, or labor against management, etc.<br /><br />BTC<br />
None of this is 'fiction'....there is a TON of documented evidence that these 'secret societies' exist...and have existed for a very long time. There are also MANY signs/clues BOTH prior to June 25th and after, that Mike was WELL aware of them and may have also been a member (clothing, pins, paintings, symbols, etc). IF there was ever a plan to 'overthrow' the inner-circle (the 'bad' side), the best (and probably only) way to do so would be through infiltration...or, in other words, a sting.
<br /><br />It also could easily be argued that Jesus was a much earlier Mason. Throughout his teaching, there is one teaching for the masses, and a withheld teaching just for the ‘initiates’ or 12 disciples. There has always been levels, and coded messages and numerology. Quote:<br />http://www.masoncode.com/Jesus Christ Master Mason.htm<br /><br />
In early Christianity there were two parts of the Church, the exoteric Church and the esoteric Church (or Gnostic Church). The former was open to everyone, the latter was a form of mystery religion with secret rites and initiation ceremonies.
<br /><br />In that same sense here on the forum, TS is the ‘master’ teacher and we are the initiates, learning things hidden from the masses and even the vast majority of MJ fans.<br /><br />There is another reason WHY there is numerology behind TPTB (including Illuminati, FreeMasons, other secret societies, most world religions), because there is one God behind it all. He has created ALL things, whether evil or good. There are many Scripture verses that prove this. He has written it all in the stars seen from earth, guided the thoughts/minds of his chosen—good or evil to fulfill his purposes—fulfill His story-line—HISstory.<br /><br />
But damn...I want a BAM!!!!!
<br />That has a nice ring to it! That could be our mantra!<br />
<br /><br />Loved your comparison of 'master'/initiates :icon_razz:<br /><br />@Sim...thanks for reposting some of TS' posts, it's great to reread them now....they 'fit' better now, in my mind anyway, than they have in the past.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.<br />
<br />Interesting tweet from Paris today (12-7-12) considering the recent discussion in this thread the past few pages:<br /> <br />
<br />Paris JacksoηVerified<br />@ParisJackson<;br /><br />change comes from thinking thoughts you've never thought before and showing up to meet them down streets you've never walked before .<br />
It also could easily be argued that Jesus was a much earlier Mason. Throughout his teaching, there is one teaching for the masses, and a withheld teaching just for the ‘initiates’ or 12 disciples. There has always been levels, and coded messages and numerology.
<br /><br />There are always "inner circles" and "the masses" in whatever undertaking is being set on a slide.<br />A healthy organization cannot work otherwise. It is natural. Compare this to a hot water spring if you like. Water close to the source will always be hotter thus more impacted by the origin.<br />If a human organization wants to minimize effectiveness loss and keep their impact on people who aren't close to the initiator, you have to multiply the hot spot.<br /><br />Jesus was the first effective "conspirational networker" if you like.<br /><br /><br /><br />The more followers, the longer the distance to the center, the more of the original message gets lost.<br /><br /><br /><br />This is why social networks are so important if you don't want to lose contact, impact and potential for influence.<br /><br /><br /><br />If you keep important heads close, thus keep the message path short and effective, you may reach 1) more people with 2) more effective communication and 3) lower risk the message gets lost due to counter activities.<br /><br /><br /><br />No matter if you organize a charity barbecue or a concert - there will always those "in the know" and visitors / spectators stopping by.<br />Both are required to make the event a success.<br /><br />This hoax organization isn't any different.
It also could easily be argued that Jesus was a much earlier Mason. Throughout his teaching, there is one teaching for the masses, and a withheld teaching just for the ‘initiates’ or 12 disciples. There has always been levels, and coded messages and numerology.
<br /><br />There are always "inner circles" and "the masses" in whatever undertaking is being set on a slide.<br />A healthy organization cannot work otherwise. It is natural. Compare this to a hot water spring if you like. Water close to the source will always be hotter thus more impacted by the origin.<br />If a human organization wants to minimize effectiveness loss and keep their impact on people who aren't close to the initiator, you have to multiply the hot spot.<br /><br />Jesus was the first effective "conspirational networker" if you like.<br /><br /><br /><br />The more followers, the longer the distance to the center, the more of the original message gets lost.<br /><br /><br /><br />This is why social networks are so important if you don't want to lose contact, impact and potential for influence.<br /><br /><br /><br />If you keep important heads close, thus keep the message path short and effective, you may reach 1) more people with 2) more effective communication and 3) lower risk the message gets lost due to counter activities.<br /><br /><br /><br />No matter if you organize a charity barbecue or a concert - there will always those "in the know" and visitors / spectators stopping by.<br />Both are required to make the event a success.<br /><br />This hoax organization isn't any different.<br />
<br /><br /><br />Brilliant post Ellyd; so very useful :th_bravo:
#13. Explains why MJ’s kids stopped crying when they were done seeing their dad’s body, the scene as described by LaToya. They stopped crying because they saw Dad’s not dead.
<br />TS<br />
#13. This is a very interesting point. It indicates that the children were not initially in on the hoax, and therefore would react with real emotions—which would be very convincing for anyone at the house, and at UCLA, etc. This also explains why La Toya said MJ told Paris, on 6-24-09, what to do if he died; there would be no point in MJ saying this, if Paris already knew about the hoax for the next day. Both La Toya and Katherine said that the children never cried again, after seeing MJ in the hospital (so much for Paris crying on stage at the memorial); so this would be when they were informed of the hoax. And seeing MJ alive at UCLA would certainly stop their tears; but there is another possibility which would also stop their tears: seeing that it was a different MJ who died (as well as family members explaining the hoax to them, at that point). Oh, and one last thing here: if live MJ was on the bed at Carolwood (playing sick), or even a dummy, why did Alvarez rush the children back out of the bedroom almost before they finished entering it—what were they NOT supposed to see up close?
<br /><br />I was just thinking, that if none of the kids knew, and Alvarez shoed them out at the door, with them not seeing their dad or DWD with life-saving equipment, they would have at that point still thought their dad was only having trouble but not dead. At the hospital they still might have only gotten the message from those that were with them, that he was going to be alright. Perhaps at UCLA they starting hearing things being said by other people that Michael was dead, and that got them worried and really crying, but then I'm thinking that within maybe a 1/2 hour Latoya would take them in to see the DWD and tell them their Daddy hoaxed his death. What do you guys think? How do you envision it happening with the kids finding out, and how much time they actually were thinking their dad could actually be dead? That would have been horrible for them, agony, even if brief. We had been told early on that Blanket was told his daddy was on a business trip, so how would that fit in here?
#13. Explains why MJ’s kids stopped crying when they were done seeing their dad’s body, the scene as described by LaToya. They stopped crying because they saw Dad’s not dead.
<br />TS<br />
#13. This is a very interesting point. It indicates that the children were not initially in on the hoax, and therefore would react with real emotions—which would be very convincing for anyone at the house, and at UCLA, etc. This also explains why La Toya said MJ told Paris, on 6-24-09, what to do if he died; there would be no point in MJ saying this, if Paris already knew about the hoax for the next day. Both La Toya and Katherine said that the children never cried again, after seeing MJ in the hospital (so much for Paris crying on stage at the memorial); so this would be when they were informed of the hoax. And seeing MJ alive at UCLA would certainly stop their tears; but there is another possibility which would also stop their tears: seeing that it was a different MJ who died (as well as family members explaining the hoax to them, at that point). Oh, and one last thing here: if live MJ was on the bed at Carolwood (playing sick), or even a dummy, why did Alvarez rush the children back out of the bedroom almost before they finished entering it—what were they NOT supposed to see up close?
<br /><br />I was just thinking, that if none of the kids knew, and Alvarez shoed them out at the door, with them not seeing their dad or DWD with life-saving equipment, they would have at that point still thought their dad was only having trouble but not dead. At the hospital they still might have only gotten the message from those that were with them, that he was going to be alright. Perhaps at UCLA they starting hearing things being said by other people that Michael was dead, and that got them worried and really crying, but then I'm thinking that within maybe a 1/2 hour Latoya would take them in to see the DWD and tell them their Daddy hoaxed his death. What do you guys think? How do you envision it happening with the kids finding out, and how much time they actually were thinking their dad could actually be dead? That would have been horrible for them, agony, even if brief. We had been told early on that Blanket was told his daddy was on a business trip, so how would that fit in here?<br />
<br /><br /><br />That's what I think MJonmind, Latoya might have told the kids that MJ faked his death, while the two elder kids would get it, blanket was too young to be told of these, so blanket could have been told that his dad was on a holiday. <br />But the other side of it is, Latoya might not even have taken the kids into the room. Whatever she said on the Piers Morgan show about kids stopped crying could've been a story, something totally made up. Maybe that was a clue for us, the believers. Because I've read in some websites, that Michael would tell Paris to take care of her brothers, and that he might not be there around father's day. So it can be possible that the kids know beforehand of Michael's plan and only Blanket was unknown. The kids may or may not have been taken into the hospital room and, if taken, it could've been to explain blanket that the man lying was not his father and that his father was on a trip...
I really think that the elder brothers knew that his father was gonna fake his death from the start, imagine for a second the feeling of those children while learning his father was dead that would be very cruel IMO although only during 30 minutes, I don't think Michael would do that to his children for a second one thing is to be separate from them and another very different is to make them think that he was dead, Michael could have explained his children the hoax in advance so that the children could perform their role in a proper way with no surprises and I agree that the small Blanket could have been said that his father was abroad.<br /><br />ps. I couldn't log into the forum for many hours, around 19 hours (I don't know if during my sleep time I was able or not, lol cause I was sleeping), what about you?
#13. Explains why MJ’s kids stopped crying when they were done seeing their dad’s body, the scene as described by LaToya. They stopped crying because they saw Dad’s not dead.
<br />TS<br />
#13. This is a very interesting point. It indicates that the children were not initially in on the hoax, and therefore would react with real emotions—which would be very convincing for anyone at the house, and at UCLA, etc. This also explains why La Toya said MJ told Paris, on 6-24-09, what to do if he died; there would be no point in MJ saying this, if Paris already knew about the hoax for the next day. Both La Toya and Katherine said that the children never cried again, after seeing MJ in the hospital (so much for Paris crying on stage at the memorial); so this would be when they were informed of the hoax. And seeing MJ alive at UCLA would certainly stop their tears; but there is another possibility which would also stop their tears: seeing that it was a different MJ who died (as well as family members explaining the hoax to them, at that point). Oh, and one last thing here: if live MJ was on the bed at Carolwood (playing sick), or even a dummy, why did Alvarez rush the children back out of the bedroom almost before they finished entering it—what were they NOT supposed to see up close?
<br /><br />I was just thinking, that if none of the kids knew, and Alvarez shoed them out at the door, with them not seeing their dad or DWD with life-saving equipment, they would have at that point still thought their dad was only having trouble but not dead. At the hospital they still might have only gotten the message from those that were with them, that he was going to be alright. Perhaps at UCLA they starting hearing things being said by other people that Michael was dead, and that got them worried and really crying, but then I'm thinking that within maybe a 1/2 hour Latoya would take them in to see the DWD and tell them their Daddy hoaxed his death. What do you guys think? How do you envision it happening with the kids finding out, and how much time they actually were thinking their dad could actually be dead? That would have been horrible for them, agony, even if brief. We had been told early on that Blanket was told his daddy was on a business trip, so how would that fit in here?<br />
<br /><br /><br />I think Alvarez would've rushed the kids away because that would be expected in that situation. Of course the kids would want to know what's going on with their dad but to have them in the room while whatever was going on wouldn't make sense. Getting them out of the room quickly is best, it leaves less for them to witness. If they had seen more, it's possible that they could've been called upon as witnesses during the trial. Which they almost were, apparently, at least Prince. If, for example, live MJ was on the bed then floor pretending to be in distress/dead (for accurate accounts of witnesses later) that could be a distressing thing for the kids to see, even if they knew it was fake. Whatever was going on in that room, the kids didn't need to be there. Blanket would've been too young to really understand what was going on. I think Prince and Paris knew what was going on and acted according to the plan. Children are highly emotional and know how to make a "scene". Same goes for at the hospital.<br /><br /><br />I don't see how the kids could really believe their dad died, then be ok and stop crying by seeing it's a DWD patient dead and not their dad. Seeing a real dead body would make them feel better?? That's the sort of vision that would haunt a child a night. That scenario just doesn't ring true for me. Sure there would be relief that a dead body is not their dad's dead body but still, why put them through that? I don't know. Even if they weren't told of MJ's plans beforehand, they would've been told as soon as possible, for their sake.
I remember seeing Paris on Oprah saying she never forgot what her daddy told her. When she first said that I began to believe that he had in some way sat them down and talked to them about the pending hoax, telling them in a child like way that things were going to get different for a while and that they were going to hear and see things, and he would have to go away but not to be afraid. He would be all right. Even if he did give them some kind of fore warning, children are still going to react to stimuli. Can you imagine being a child who was that close to their father seeing and hearing all of this stuff happening around them? :omg: So their crying and their fear initially is to be expected. They probably could not understand that they would be hearing their father was dead and the pre-talk possibly didn’t even register with them at that time, except for maybe Prince. LaToya, taking them in to see the truth and possibly reminding them again that this is what daddy talked to them about, could have eased their minds.
I think that cheating children in this manner would be cruel even if it is feigned, , perhaps they knew of the DWD and therefore the tears maybe maybe that if is real.
<br />We’ve come this far, and we ARE going forward as a tight-knit group who love each other after 4 years. And we do! That’s all I have to say about that. He's counting on us. <br /><br />Hes<br />
Just because you read it in a magazine (in this case book) or see it on a movie screen don’t make it actual, factual. Michael told us that years ago and judging on books, mags, articles I’ve seen, reviewed, read of late, he nailed it.
<br />You know, with all the books on MJ that have come out, and especially T Mesereau speaking in support of Sullivan’s controversial book, I believe each of the books likely have some falsehoods and half-truths. How do you get out information to a general population with evil people reading everything too to silence it? You hide truths amongst the garbage they are used to, just so they’ll pick it up and read it. Like I said before, it's called infiltration and camoflage tactics.<br />
<br /><br />Well said! People (outside of MJ fans) aren't going to read this if it's only good news but if you mix the truth with a little fiction it will help ensure the truth to be read. It's like giving a little sugar with the medicine to help it go down a little smoother. If only the truth was written won't people dismiss it all and say that it was a biased and untruthful account of MJ? This way they aren't able to say that he is being biased yet the worst offenses are being dealt with.<br /><br />Hugs
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