<br />And JT your purpose of posting that was for what reason? To spread love and peace? Add to the discussion? Or was it to start a little fire?<br /><br />That's a rhetorical question for anyone who wasn't sure.<br />
<br /><br />Hi bec!<br />I just wanted to get some answers from sympatikk cause I was fascinated by her absolute assurance. Really.<br />Spreading love is Mj's thing and not mine but also true is that I sure am not here for starting any fire. Cause I really love all the girls here. Im not dangerous so no need to wait bad things from me.
JentleTouch, I do smell a little smoke though, if I remember you correctly! <br /><br />
Cause I really love all the girls here.
afraid/ <br /><br /><br />I agree with you Sarah31, that MJ's use of numbers seems more like a code. But on the other hand from Suesuzzfaithkeeper, i[size=9pt]t seems from your article that numerology includes many ways of using numbers, including the patterns in nature which are from God.[/size]<br /><br />Aussie, you are a great debater, knowledgable and very systematic in your writings. <br /><br />Well, I’m sticking to my over-all heart feeling that as God channelled MJ’s music and lyrics, He also channelled the numerology/code plan, it’s beauty and complexity, and gave him the ability and protection in bringing it to fullfillment. When you consider the busyiness/demands/stresses/dangers of his life--that is near to impossible on a human level IMO. I don't think anything on this scale has been accomplished (that's including Elvis mind you). I believe it’s all a part of his calling from God, and a Biblical fullfillment, that I believe will be more revealed as time goes by. You agree there are numbers throughout the Scriptures, as well as in the layout of the accepted canon of the Bible. I disagree that number patterns are occultic but can be used for good or evil. God can do whatever he wants. Just like Michaelangelo's, Mozart's and more, MJ's gifts and number plan came from God. He could see it before his eyes and wrote it down, worked with it, babied it, toyed with it till it was fine-tuned. Most of all--he was completely committed to doing what God wanted him to do, and it was all for L.O.V.E. It still means MJ is a genius, but it was with "help".<br /><br />
[size=10pt]"I try to be kind and generous and to give to people and to do what I think God wants me to do. Sometimes I pray and say "where do you want me to go next, God? What do you want me to do from here?" I’ve always been very spiritual in that way. It’s nothing new." [/size]2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview
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[size=10pt]Seth Riggs, "You know, there was one moment. I was playing a piano, and he was standing next to me. All of a sudden, he stretched his hands, looking upwards. It seemed to me that it was very important to him. That’s why I left the room and switched the light off. After half an hour I came back to the room. He was whispering: “Thank you for my talent. Thank you for everything I’ve got. Thank you for all the people who love me. Tell me what I should do, and I’ll do it.” It seemed to me that it was the moment of his communication with God."[/size][size=9pt]<br />http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/His-Faith.html<br />[/size]
@mjonmind. thanks for the compliment. thanks. i try <br /><br /><br />just hope i dont come across as argumentative. that isnt my intention.<br /><br />my posts are simply my own personal convictions based on my own bible research. i have no intention of pushing them on anyone else to have them accept 'my' truth as 'their' truth. <br /><br />its 'my' truth and i respect that ppl have 'their truth.' i post the information out so ppl can read if they feel so inclined, but not looking to 'convert' anyone<br /><br /><br /><br />regarding equating numerology with occult - i guess we agree to disagree. *mwah*
This discussion will not get anywhere. Some members believe heavily on TS / Front, Others, totally discredit and others are on the fence about them. <br />He / They will not come here confirm or deny who they are. So why continue?<br />Some answers we will never know, even if Michael come back.<br /><br />I just want to emphasize two points.<br /><br />1) which increases the accuracy of TS / Front? Some clues and confirmations of the family of Michael and some dates associated with numerology that seem to be more than coincidence.<br />2) What discredit them? Lack of concrete answers, the non-fulfillment of promises and some absurd theories associated with Elvis and religious themes.<br /><br />But so what? We do not know who these people are. If they are playing with us or are doing it for a higher purpose or under the authority of someone.<br /><br />I think we should wait until December 31, 2012. that was the deadline for TS, is not it? So there is 1 year ahead. Do not wear your emotions now, maybe it precisarenos later.<br /><br />Ah .. yes. And if Michael is alive, there are 99.9% chances for him to know what's going on here.<br /><br /> bearhug<br />Big hug!!!!
And if you dont mind me interrupting you both, I would like to ask Simpattik a few questions as well
I don’t mind you stepping in in our discussion and I will gladly answer to your questions.<br /> But first I’d like to know whether you want to ask me these questions because you are sincerely interested in my answers? <br />Or because you saw me asking questions to MissG and you suddenly felt like asking me questions, as well ?<br />I mean I’ve been here on this forum for some months now, talking about Elvis Presley being alive, thanking TS for the information he gave us and posting in Front-related topics, and you never manifested any interest in asking me any questions. Why now just like that, out of the blue?<br />I hope you understand why I am surprised at your sudden interest. And I would be so happy if you were really sincere with your questions. I hope your questions do not just mask a subtle way through which you mock me, for my position (opinion) and for the questions I asked during my conversation with MissG.<br /><br />You see, JentleTouch, I always disliked the aggressive way of how certain users barge into other topics focused on certain subjects, just to mock and insistently repeat that they disagree, as if anyone ever foced them to come there and read or as if anyone forced them to agree with what was in that topic. I will never understand such an attitude.<br />Finally, we have this topic, opened by Anna, good job Anna! A topic where these people can not only express their opposing opinions, but also help us understand how they see things and the reasons why they disagree with us. So far, I didn’t see those … reasons, clearly expressed. Or if they were expressed, they were not enough for me to understand, so this was the moment where I started having all sorts of questions left with no answers… I feel like this topic is the right place for people who disagree with the “general opinion” on this forum. This is the place where they can express themselves, where they can give us explanations for their way of seeing things, a place where they can answer to the questions of users like me, who don’t understand their point of view.<br /><br />So I find it quite awkard for you to ask me questions about my beliefs, here in this particular topic, JentleTouch.<br />Let’s imagine that I came to a forum where you agree with what is being said and I started to tell you that I disagree with your beliefs and tell you that I have totally different beliefs, then yes, it would be normal and logical for you to start asking me questions to see why I have those different beliefs.<br />But because it was you who came to a forum where I agree with what is being said here and where I had been posting on many topics the reasons why I have those beliefs, I find it more than awkard that you need to ask me questions about my beliefs. All the forum sections and all the topics where I had been posting so far, contain answers to most of your questions. If there’s something that you didn’t understand, why haven’t you asked me questions right there on those specific topics? Why all of the sudden so many questions and why here and now?, after it was me who asked questions to MissG, trying to put myself in her shoes and understand why she views things the way she does? <br /><br /><br />I will be frank all the way to you, JentleTouch, but I really feel…think that your intentions are not quite sincere with all your questions here, because I couldn’t help noticing some sarcastic, ironic remarks from you, namely:<br />
Does it necessarily mean that people who think otherwise should necessarily be shoved by other people ideas or beliefs down their throats?
I’m sorry, please clarify this for me: WHO “shoved anything down the throats” of anyone?? And even if (as you seem to imply), even if someone wanted to do so, please tell me HOW can this possibly be put into practice, for God’s sake? WHO forces anyone to come here and read this forum if they disagree with things being said here? <br />It’s not like let's say: people from this forum went to another forum trying to promote their beliefs there and impose their ideas on people from that forum! So really, I want to understand this once and for all: WHY and HOW do you guys think that anyone on this forum can manipulate , force and influence anybody to believe and/or think in a direction or another? If anyone could help me understand this, I would be grateful to them.<br />Until then, I will keep reading and asking questions in this topic.<br /><br />
I just wanted to get some answers from sympatikk cause I was fascinated by her absolute assurance. Really.
Assurance? - YES!!<br />Absolute ?? - NO!!<br />Really, JentleTouch, I would like you to tell me when and where have I ever declared that I detain the absolute truth? <br />You see, JentleTouch, I am generally a person who has self-confidence, not only in life, but also in hoax-related matters. Why? Because I read, listen, watch and then I think, reflect, check and research. <br />Therefore, from the moment the above mentioned process is complete, everything that I decide to say or write is because I am convinced of what I think, say or write. I always base my beliefs on personal research and I always sustain my opinions with facts or solid arguments. I don’t just talk for the sake of talking.<br />But this ^^ doesn’t imply that I ever thought or declared my judgement or my opinions to be absolute ly correct! Everytime I write something, I always repeat: I may be right on certain points, but I may be wrong on others! And finally: anyone who is reading me, is also “equipped” with a brain, right? Who stops anyone from checking and doing more research after reading what I write? Just like I always did after reading what other people wrote. And who forces anyone to agree with me or with anyone else?<br /><br />Also, JentleTouch, when you make accusations, please be more specific. Please don’t hide behind generalisations. Please give concrete, straight examples and quotes. So please tell me who are “those people” you are talking about in the quote below:
[…]those who tried hard to get rid of those who were skeptical about front in the BACKs thread and constantly showed them the door have been doing exactly the same thing in here.[…] People have created a new thread to not be bashed and not welcomed anymore yet they still are lol[…]
<br /><br />And you made this statement based on what?<br />
I, for one do like TS, so what? [size=14pt]I would never try to make you love him\her![/size]:)
WHO tried to make you or anyone else, love TS? And HOW? <br />Please give facts, proofs, quotes to sustain such statements ^^ Don’t just through them like that… what’s the point?<br />
Excellent answer, Sim.<br /><br />I was sort of perplexed and left wondering confused/ by this part as well:<br /><br />
[…]those who tried hard to get rid of those who were skeptical about front in the BACKs thread and constantly showed them the door have been doing exactly the same thing in here.[…] People have created a new thread to not be bashed and not welcomed anymore yet they still are lol[…]
<br /><br />JT, could you offer an example of who you are referring to here?<br /><br />I thought this was a pretty awesome discussion so perhaps I missed something. If you please, JT, bring an example to our attention so we can properly understand what you're talking about.<br /><br />Otherwise, your post looks passive-aggressive with combative undertones and filled with generalized accusations. Surely you'd like to clarify?
<br />He / They will not come here confirm or deny who they are.
In my opinion, "they" don't want to "confirm" because they have a well made plan that does not allow them to "confirm" who they are, at least not for now.<br />Or maybe they just don't feel like it. They don't want to. Why force anyone do what they don't want to do? have they forced you do anything that you didn't want to do?<br /><br />
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So why continue?
Freedom of expression?<br />If this topic had been closed, people (me included) would have screemed : CENSORSHIP.<br /><br /><br />
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<br />[...]<br />2) What discredit them? Lack of concrete answers, the non-fulfillment of promises and some absurd theories associated with Elvis and religious themes.
<br />1. "Lack of concrete answers" - By this you mean you expect Ts or Front to answer concretely: "Yes, I am Michael Jackson posting as TS/Front."?<br />I think that this would be the most disappointing BAM ever! For Michael to BAM on a forum , read by a few hundreds, where only 20-30 people post.<br />2. "The non-fulfillment of promises" - May I know which promises you are referring to?<br />3. "Some absurd theories associated with Elvis and religious themes" - Again generalization "some theories". Which theories more exactly? And because I wouldn't like us to flood this topic with discussions about Elvis and religion, AnaMarcia please go to the topics where you found those "absurd theories" and give your arguments for your opinion, there. I am really interested in your point of view. Thank you.<br /><br />
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Ah .. yes. And if Michael is alive, there are 99.9% chances for him to know what's going on here.
So in case Michael is alive you admit, even better you are 99,9% sure that he knows what's going on here. Well in that case, if you think that TS and Front manipulate people and "play games" with them, do you think that Michael would allow this to happen to his fans? Or wouldn't he rather get involved [unless he had planned it all from the very beginning! including the existence of this forum with its informers] and help them by guiding them through TS and Front? Which way is it?<br /><br /><br /><br />@Bec & BTC :
I am generally a person who has self-confidence, not only in life, but also in hoax-related matters. Why? Because I read, listen, watch and then I think, reflect, check and research. <br /> Therefore, from the moment the above mentioned process is complete, everything that I decide to say or write is because I am convinced of what I think, say or write. I always base my beliefs on personal research and I always sustain my opinions with facts or solid arguments. I don’t just talk for the sake of talking.<br /> But this ^^ doesn’t imply that I ever thought or declared my judgement or my opinions to be absolutely correct! Everytime I write something, I always repeat: I may be right on certain points, but I may be wrong on others! And finally: anyone who is reading me, is also “equipped” with a brain, right? Who stops anyone from checking and doing more research after reading what I write? Just like I always did after reading what other people wrote. And who forces anyone to agree with me or with anyone else?
Ah .. yes. And if Michael is alive, there are 99.9% chances for him to know what's going on here.
<br />Yes, and he's been talking up a blue streak, if you haven't noticed!<br /><br /><br /><br />[color=rgb(102, 102, 102)][size=x-small][/size][/color]
bec dont be angry with me <br />When I mentioned those extremely long posts I didn't mean you.I've told you before Iam not dangerous so no passive (God forbid) aggresive behavior on my part whatsoever. Why all this defensiveness?<br />I just asked simpattyk some questions in the hope of getting some answers but I got only questions intead along with quite a full analyze of me and my "tortuous intentions" and not a word on the subject lol That's mostly why I asked about the effects lol<br />And that's why Im like this too <br />
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<br />Excellent answer, Sim.<br />
<br /><br />I concur...wholeheartedly. Great work sis! ::P<br /><br />And...<br /><br /><br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.<br />
<br /><br />oh and about the names I think they know who they are But out of respect for you and everyone else here I would say its sarahli <br />Also waving to purelove but seems she hasnt been here too often lately.<br /><br />Hey ladies stop jumping on me Don't get me wrong Im not against it at all! So no passive thoughts about me for that matter either! lol<br />It's just this is not the right place for it!<br />Btw, wouldnt it be cool if y'all just took a day off from here and spent some lovely time with your bfs\husbands or friends instead of sitting here all day and all night long fighting with each other and analyzing someone's good or bad intentions?<br />With that being said Im gonna leave you now and try to follow my own advice.<br /><br />Where are you, my girl?....<br />(simpattyk, that's not a question for you, thats a rhetorical question )
<br />I just asked simpattyk some questions in the hope of getting some answers but I got only questions intead
<br />Not only you received the answers you deserved, but you were also proven not to be interested in those answers you were supposedly seeking.<br />And the way you replied again, just adds as proof to what I was saying.<br /><br />
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Btw, wouldnt it be cool if y'all just took a day off from here and spent some lovely time with your bfs\husbands or friends instead of sitting here all day and all night long fighting with each other and analyzing someone's good or bad intentions?
I don't see what is keeping anyone from doing what you suggested.<br /><br />
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Where are you, my girl?....<br />(simpattyk, this is not a question for you )
Thank you for mentioning that. It was a much "needed" mention. :roll: WTF??<br /><br /><br />@Jentle Touch: if you have a personal problem with me, since I noticed your sarcasm twice in a day, even if you had never addressed to me before and I had never said anything to you before, so if you think you might have a problem with me, that needs to be solved privately, please act like an adult and use the pm! and stop the non sense irony-game on the forum.
JT, don't worry, I'm not angry. Thank you for the clarification with the names at least. Short of going back to analyze and review their posts, I cannot weigh in on whether I agree with you or not, I can only say I made no notice upon initial reading that would validate your impressions. However, at least you have been specific with the members in question with which you had a grievance which allows them an opportunity to respond to your accusations.<br /><br />I find it curious, however, that you chose to embed your complaints against Sarahli and Purelove into a question posed at SimPattyK, as if implying that they are a collective entity. That seems counter productive and just fraught with opportunities for all sorts of misunderstandings.<br /><br />I agree that you are not dangerous. To my knowledge you have never acted in such a way that would suggest you are an online predator or anything... however, it is clear to the viewer that your infrequent and questionably timed contributions here are anything but innocuous. <br /><br />Ps. there are few girls here. As an FYI to you, because I KNOW you didn't mean it this way, but; in western culture, in pleasant company, when a male refers to a female of adult age as a "girl", it is considered belittling, disrespectful, and an attempt to verbally minimize her status and position thereby raising his own in the process of the exchange. Males should use the term "woman" or "women" (collective) to prevent a misunderstanding of tone and to convey proper respect in social exchanges. Now that you are made aware of this cultural nuance, I am confident there will be no more future miscommunications like this.
<br />Ps. there are few girls here. As an FYI to you, because I KNOW you didn't mean it this way, but; in western culture, in pleasant company, when a male refers to a female of adult age as a "girl", it is considered belittling, disrespectful, and an attempt to verbally minimize her status and position thereby raising his own in the process of the exchange*. Males should use the term "woman" or "women" (collective) to prevent a misunderstanding of tone and to convey proper respect in social exchanges. Now that you are made aware of this cultural nuance, I am confident there will be no more future miscommunications like this. <br />
<br /><br />*unless he is gay.<br /><br />I just realized there is an exception to that general social rule and as long as I'm explaining it, I better be thorough.
[size=12pt][...]However, at least you have been specific with the members in question with which you had a grievance which allows them an opportunity to respond to your accusations.<br />I find it curious, however, that you chose to embed your complaints against Sarahli and Purelove into a question posed at SimPattyK, as if implying that they are a collective entity. That seems counter productive and just fraught with opportunities for all sorts of misunderstandings.<br />[...][/size]
Thank you for emphasizing that, bec! <br /> That was exactly my point!! and I took all his message as an attack towards me, rather than a sincere interest in what he was asking.
<br />He / They will not come here confirm or deny who they are.
In my opinion, "they" don't want to "confirm" because they have a well made plan that does not allow them to "confirm" who they are, at least not for now.<br />Or maybe they just don't feel like it. They don't want to. Why force anyone do what they don't want to do? have they forced you do anything that you didn't want to do?<br /><br />
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So why continue?
Freedom of expression?<br />If this topic had been closed, people (me included) would have screemed : CENSORSHIP.<br /><br /><br />
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<br />[...]<br />2) What discredit them? Lack of concrete answers, the non-fulfillment of promises and some absurd theories associated with Elvis and religious themes.
<br />1. "Lack of concrete answers" - By this you mean you expect Ts or Front to answer concretely: "Yes, I am Michael Jackson posting as TS/Front."?<br />I think that this would be the most disappointing BAM ever! For Michael to BAM on a forum , read by a few hundreds, where only 20-30 people post.<br />2. "The non-fulfillment of promises" - May I know which promises you are referring to?<br />3. "Some absurd theories associated with Elvis and religious themes" - Again generalization "some theories". Which theories more exactly? And because I wouldn't like us to flood this topic with discussions about Elvis and religion, AnaMarcia please go to the topics where you found those "absurd theories" and give your arguments for your opinion, there. I am really interested in your point of view. Thank you.<br /><br />
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Ah .. yes. And if Michael is alive, there are 99.9% chances for him to know what's going on here.
So in case Michael is alive you admit, even better you are 99,9% sure that he knows what's going on here. Well in that case, if you think that TS and Front manipulate people and "play games" with them, do you think that Michael would allow this to happen to his fans? Or wouldn't he rather get involved [unless he had planned it all from the very beginning! including the existence of this forum with its informers] and help them by guiding them through TS and Front? Which way is it?<br /><br /><br /><br />@Bec & BTC : <br />
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<br />He / They will not come here confirm or deny who they are.
In my opinion, "they" don't want to "confirm" because they have a well made plan that does not allow them to "confirm" who they are, at least not for now.<br />Or maybe they just don't feel like it. They don't want to. Why force anyone do what they don't want to do? have they forced you do anything that you didn't want to do?<br /><br />
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So why continue?
Freedom of expression?<br />If this topic had been closed, people (me included) would have screemed : CENSORSHIP.<br /><br /><br />
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<br />[...]<br />2) What discredit them? Lack of concrete answers, the non-fulfillment of promises and some absurd theories associated with Elvis and religious themes.
<br />1. "Lack of concrete answers" - By this you mean you expect Ts or Front to answer concretely: "Yes, I am Michael Jackson posting as TS/Front."?<br />I think that this would be the most disappointing BAM ever! For Michael to BAM on a forum , read by a few hundreds, where only 20-30 people post.<br />2. "The non-fulfillment of promises" - May I know which promises you are referring to?<br />3. "Some absurd theories associated with Elvis and religious themes" - Again generalization "some theories". Which theories more exactly? And because I wouldn't like us to flood this topic with discussions about Elvis and religion, AnaMarcia please go to the topics where you found those "absurd theories" and give your arguments for your opinion, there. I am really interested in your point of view. Thank you.<br /><br />
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Ah .. yes. And if Michael is alive, there are 99.9% chances for him to know what's going on here.
So in case Michael is alive you admit, even better you are 99,9% sure that he knows what's going on here. Well in that case, if you think that TS and Front manipulate people and "play games" with them, do you think that Michael would allow this to happen to his fans? Or wouldn't he rather get involved [unless he had planned it all from the very beginning! including the existence of this forum with its informers] and help them by guiding them through TS and Front? Which way is it?<br /><br /><br /><br />@Bec & BTC : <br />
<br /><br />SimPattyK.... Honey,<br /><br />I could not understand the arrogance and cynicism about my post. That's how you follow the messages of Michael?<br />Do not treat me like an idiot because I'm not, OK?<br />I've been here many months and never had problems with anyone, simply because I try to respect the opinions of others.<br />I do not want and do not think Michael / TS / Front come here to say who they are ... if you read my post right you will see that I said that perhaps many questions remain unanswered, And I think the identity of these people will be one of them.<br />When I say lack of concrete answers I refer to the levels started by TS. For example, we had the answer to level 7? I think not. This is also related to the non-fulfillment of promises, right? At least for me it is.<br />In relation to the theories not credible, I say that to me, saying "For me" Elvis alive theory does not convince me.<br />But even I don't believing in some things I do not totally disbelieve in TS. So, if you read my comment right, you will reach the conclusion that I did not say anything against TS / Front ... I did not say that they are false or manipulator, in fact I was more in favor than against, right? One day, if we found that TS is false, he yet has my admiration for his intelligence.<br />Finally, if I said that Michael probably know what happens here, do not you think I meant something like "If Michael knows that there are these insiders here .... this is a great point in favor of them?" I said That, darling.<br />I did not wanna to answer you, but I don't like to be misunderstood, especially when my messages are so clear.<br />Perhaps you don't understood my english, Sorry!<br />Keep your stones at the right time to use them and try to respect opinions and be humble in the right dose. This certainly facilitates relationships.<br />I think it's better to continue as I was until today ... just watching the forum without saying a word! The emotions here are much to the surface.<br /><br />Peace and love for all.
bec your making me write more while I was gonna search for a good female company for today lol<br />ok but in brief, It werent my complaints against Sarahli and purelove and I haven't nursed a grievance against them. If it was the case I would call Anna's name cause I still remember her being not really nice to me and I didnt know why:) but I never have any hard feelings towards women.<br />As for the word "girls" that I used, Im really sorry cause I meant that as a compliment. Im not familiar with western culture) but in my country if someone calls a woman "girl" they would usually jump up to the celling and say Thank you a thousand times.)<br />Please, forgive me.It wasnt my intention to be disrespectful or belliting with all the Ladies here ( I hope that's the correct word).<br /><br />IM NOT GAY!
Hello,<br />Since here is a T.S./T.I.A.I. discussion (I hope I've chosen the right place because I don't post in this forum), I've got a question for anyone who could answer it. Why should I be trusting this theory of the T.I.A.I. and in general T.S. ? Why should anyone believe or not in it ? (No, I am not looking for an answer like ''Take it , or leave it'' ; I want to read why do YOU think this is right..)<br />I am simply curious about your opinions , it is NOT a bashing or rhetorical question.<br />And..also one for T.S. , in your opinion , the supposed (so called by you) BAM's day ..could it be the day the real murder is revealed and not the one Michael comes back ?<br />I am not following any theory , just investigating so I am looking forward to see your answers. typing/<br />Thanks in advance.
@JT, sorry, but I'm not letting you off the hook that easy.<br /><br />
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<br />I just asked simpattyk some questions in the hope of getting some answers but I got only questions intead along with quite a full analyze of me and my "tortuous intentions" and not a word on the subject lol That's mostly why I asked about the effects lol<br /><snip><br /><br />oh and about the names I think they know who they are But out of respect for you and everyone else here I would say its sarahli <br />Also waving to purelove but seems she hasnt been here too often lately.<br />
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<br />ok but in brief, It werent my complaints against Sarahli and purelove and I haven't nursed a grievance against them. If it was the case I would call Anna's name cause I still remember her being not really nice to me and I didnt know why:) but I never have any hard feelings towards women.
<br /><br />Then why exactly did you take the time and effort to post this at all?<br /><br />
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<br />Also, Ladies I notice that those who tried hard to get rid of those who were skeptical about front in the BACKs thread and constantly showed them the door have been doing exactly the same thing in here.:) Thats funny:) People have created a new thread to not be bashed and not welcomed anymore yet they still are lol But the funniest thing is that those whos slogan is - Get outta here if you dont like whats been discussed here NEVER follow their own advice lol<br />Take a leaf from Sousa's book. She is clearly not interested in this thread and doesn't make extremely long posts falling over herself to make you believe she's right and her opinion is a gospel <br />
<br /><br />Based on your own statement, that all you wanted to do was ask questions to SimPattyK, you are making no effort to take responsibility for directly calling out 2 members on perceived offenses, that you sought to single out and deemed it worthy of public address, in a thread which you have had zero previous participation. This is the part that thinly veils an underlying intent, especially in light of your resulting evasiveness, and attempts to backtrack, which is passive-aggressive behavior.<br /><br />In addition, your repeated assumption that all other members here are female is assumptive and makes you appear misogynistic. If you are as genuinely unfamiliar with western culture as you state, I'm sure you would interested in being more positively received in your global online endeavors going forward. Cultural faux-pas are so awkward, we are always learning. God bless the internet.
<br />Hello,<br />Since here is a T.S./T.I.A.I. discussion (I hope I've chosen the right place because I don't post in this forum), I've got a question for anyone who could answer it. Why should I be trusting this theory of the T.I.A.I. and in general T.S. ? Why should anyone believe or not in it ? (No, I am not looking for an answer like ''Take it , or leave it'' ; I want to read why do YOU think this is right..)<br />I am simply curious about your opinions , it is NOT a bashing or rhetorical question.<br />And..also one for T.S. , in your opinion , the supposed (so called by you) BAM's day ..could it be the day the real murder is revealed and not the one Michael comes back ?<br />I am not following any theory , just investigating so I am looking forward to see your answers. typing/<br />Thanks in advance.<br />
<br />SimPattyK.... Honey,<br />I could not understand the arrogance and cynicism about my post. <br />
When you accuse me of arrogance and cynicism, please come up with proof of what you say. Give quotes. Let's discuss straight on the MESSAGES written by both of us and not on your convenient INTERPRETATIONS.<br /><br />
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Do not treat me like an idiot because I'm not, OK?
Again, sustain your statements with concrete proof,OK? Stop throwing false accusations instead of coming with reasonable arguments to sustain your statements. Also mind mind your tone! I am not intimidated by tricks like that.<br />Right now you should answer yourself to your own question, Honey,
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That's how you follow the messages of Michael?
And by the way, I consider your calling me "Honey" at least as a hypocrite gesture from you, if not intentionally ironic, since you and I had never ever discussed before, this "intimate, too familiar tone" is clearly NOT a sincere tender loving way of addressing a person, whom you also accuse of some serious things^^<br />So next time you address to me, don't "Honey me!", please leave the "nice" words aside and stick to the point! <br /><br />
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I've been here many months and never had problems with anyone, simply because I try to respect the opinions of others.
You imply I didn't respect yours? <br />I think you confuse being contradicted and confronted with the lack of respect. Sorry I don't think it's the same thing. I contradicted you , but I did NOT disrespect you as you seem to insinuate here. <br />Anamarcia, you chose to post on a hot topic , where people strongly disagree with each other! You should expect getting strong contra arguments and you should make the difference between disrespect (see JentleTouch "discussion") and a civilized contradictory discussion (see the one I had with MissG)<br /><br />
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I do not want and do not think Michael / TS / Front come here to say who they are ...
What do you want , then?<br /><br />
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if you read my post right you will see that I said that perhaps many questions remain unanswered,... And I think the identity of these people will be one of them.
You seem to have changed your opinion since your last message.<br />Do you often have so sudden and quick changes of opinions? and ...perhaps? - Are you sure or Are you NOT sure of what you say/believe? Yes or no? believe or not?<br />Stop changing your opinion as it well fits you and make up your mind before you step in a contradictory discussion, otherwise you will always wrongly feel disrespected!<br /><br />
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When I say lack of concrete answers I refer to the levels started by TS. For example, we had the answer to level 7? I think not. This is also related to the non-fulfillment of promises, right? At least for me it is.
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I thought that I would have time over the holidays for level 7 here; but that didn't happen, sorry.<br />Obviously, others can continue the investigation here; and I will be back here as soon as I can.<br />For sure, all three 7's will be done by the end of 2012: Level 7, Update 7, and Sign 7 (777).<br /> :!: :!: :!:
<br />And you said PROMISES in the plural form, right Anamarcia? Where are the other examples? <br /><br />
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In relation to the theories not credible, I say that to me, saying "For me" Elvis alive theory does not convince me. But even I don't believing in some things I do not totally disbelieve in TS.
And I said: "AnaMarcia please go to the topics where you found those "absurd theories" and give your arguments for your opinion, there. I am really interested in your point of view. Thank you."<br />And you didn't say the "theory didn't convince you" , you clearly said 'the theories are absurd"! Stop changing your statements and start being responsible for what you say!<br /><br />
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So, if you read my comment right,
Sorry do you imply, for a second time, that I can't read right? <br />I always quoted what you said when I wrote a comment and I never insinuated you saying something you never said!<br />So please don't try to play me with words here! It looks like it is you who takes me as an idiot! not vice-versa!<br /><br />
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you will reach the conclusion that I did not say anything against TS / Front ... I did not say that they are false or manipulator, in fact I was more in favor than against, right?
NOT right!<br />You did neither! You just wrote an ambiguous message, full of subtle safe insinuations, which allows you now to change your statement as it fits you best!<br /><br />
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One day, if we found that TS is false, he yet has my admiration for his intelligence.
There you go, we finally agree on something.<br />This is something I also said many times.<br /><br />
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Finally, if I said that Michael probably know what happens here, do not you think I meant something like "If Michael knows that there are these insiders here .... this is a great point in favor of them?" I said That, darling.<br />I did not wanna to answer you, but I don't like to be misunderstood, especially when my messages are so clear.<br />Perhaps you don't understood my english, Sorry!
Funny how when you accused me your English was perfect! than here where you play pretend not to know English so well, darling!.<br /><br />
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Keep your stones at the right time to use them and try to respect opinions and be humble in the right dose. This certainly facilitates relationships.
Oh really! And you tell this to whom?<br /><br />
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I think it's better to continue as I was until today ... just watching the forum without saying a word!
And here we go with the victimizing role! You attack, yet you act as a victim. It's classic!<br />
<br />Ok ok let's try not to get too heated and off subject here. We can get back to that respectful discussion, right?<br />
Good idea!<br /><br />Let's return to the real ON-topic and civilized discussion from which we were intentionally disturbed.<br /><br />
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<br />Both have gained supporters, followers, people who agree with them in a higher % vs "naysayers".
<br />1. Why do you think they have gained supporters? <br />2. Do you think those supporters are their victims?<br />3. Do you think those supporters are easily manipulated individuals?<br />4. Do you think the number of their supporters is great? How great, approximately?<br />5. Do you think that the number of their supporters is indicative of that power you were talking about?<br /><br />
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<br />Many members here have posted valid points, smart posts, and a lot of informative deductions regarding MJ his life and the case yet are not as "powerful" or have influenced the rest as TS or Front does.
<br />1. Does it really matter that some people are powerful and others are not? I mean as long as you consider all the posts were smart and informative, does it really matter who is powerful and who is not? regardless of that, the reader is enriched, so the purpose is fulfilled.<br />2. According to you that power means the power of attraction? You think that what makes TS/Front powerful is that people are attracted to them?<br />3. Do you think it is a bad thing that people are attracted to TS/Front?<br />4. According to you what are or what could be the dangers / negative effects of this attraction/power?<br />5. Do you think that because TS/Front are powerful, they can force people of doing something bad? In what way can/could TS/Front force people to read their messages? and/or do something bad?<br />6. To what extent do you think their power goes?<br /><br />
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Of the how come and the why i made up my mind long ago and some thoughts i rather keep to not influence others too much with second opinions.
Trust me, I wont be influenced, you can tell me if you want, even if it never occurred to me to ask you that.<br /><br />
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No one needs to agree or think alike.
I agree and I never said otherwise.<br />The reason why I am having this dialogue with you is not intended to have you agreeing with me nor vice-versa.<br />I only want to understand how you view things, what makes you doubt and I find very interesting the way you think, it arouses my interest the more I read you.<br /><br />
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I am ok with others putting certain members on a pedestal but not to impose who to trust or like or enjoy.
Yes I think the same. <br />But who imposed those things and to whom?<br /><br />
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I like TS´s posts, and Front´s at times, and yours SimpattiK and I value every one the same.
Thank you very much. And just know I appreciate yours very much too!<br /><br />
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There have been here members who posted a lot of info, quite good posts and never got as many followers.
Do you think that "getting many followers" is an important thing? <br /><br />
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Some of the posts talked about things that TS have been posting after they made the posts, but people ignored those posts when the others wrote it.
Super!! I think this^^ is the best thing you wrote in this message! <br />And whose fault is that, according to you?<br />Is it really TS' or Front's fault that people are more receptive and pay more attention to the person who delivers the message than to the message in itself?<br /><br />
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That´s power and influence
Ok, let's say a user posts something very interesting today and people ignore it , just like you said it happened other times too.<br />In this case: how are TS or Front guilty for this? How can they influence people to ignore that interesting post? <br /><br />
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and imo is happening because some members DO BELIEVE that MJ is behind those accounts.
<br />1. But do you think that "some members" believe that because they have some reasons to believe it ? or Do you think they have no reasons at all? <br />2. In case you think they have no reasons at all: can you at least admit that maybe it's you who doesn't understand/see their reasons? even if there's "pages" of them?! <br />I mean you're entitled to think they have no reasons to believe that MJ is behind TS/Front and nobody has the right to force you to think otherwise. But we can at least talk about it , right? <br />So what I'm saying is that the fact that you don't see/understand those reasons, it doesn't mean they do not exist.<br /><br />3. If you believe that Michael is alive, how do you see him now? Do you think he will ever come back? Do you think he has a plan or do you think he faked his death and now he's living happily ever after in his hidden place?<br />4. In your opinion, Michael would never try to contact his fans via family-clues and or Internet? Do you think he just got it all out of his head once he "died" for the rest of the world?<br />5. In case you think that Michael still wants to come back and keep contact with his fans, how do you think he would do that?<br /><br />
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Get ma´point now?
More or less. Thank you for answering.<br />Much LOVE to you!<br />
here , E! Since this is your first post on this forum.<br /><br />
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<br /> [...]I've got a question for anyone who could answer it. Why should I be trusting this theory of the T.I.A.I. and in general T.S. ?
This is not an answer, this is just my opinion I'm giving you: You shouldn't trust this theory and any other theory and you shouldn't trust TS nor anyone else. <br />In case you read "the theory" and in case you read all the messages posted by TS, then the next thing you should do (IMO) is to verify and check everything you have read. Do your own research and see if what you find fits with what you initially read. Think for yourself and reflect on what you read then draw your own conclusions: can that be true or not?<br /><br />
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I want to read why do YOU think this is right..)
If you want to find out why this theory is right or wrong, then you should seek for this answer yourself.<br />If TS says this theory is right, you shouldn't trust him<br />If I or any other user here says this theory is right , then you shouldn't trust US either!<br />So why do you want to read why do WE think this is right?<br />You should research and find your own reasons to believe that this theory is either right or wrong!<br /><br />As for the reasons why believers think this theory is right, well, if you really want to know them, you have an ENTIRE forum at your disposal! Feel free to start reading in whatever topic you want! Do you really think, we could present all those reasons , here, in just this one topic, after everything that had been written on a whole forum in 2.5 years?
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