I know this subject is extremely emotive and Gaga and her ilk certainly draw out the love or hate attitudes. Steffmaster1 has pointed out some very relevant points . Personally I don't like her dress or anything about the way she is but considering where the imagery comes from ,actually very few would - if they realised.
It is therefore very easy to dissmiss everything about these artists because they disgust us. The lives they live in amongst the most nasty and corrupt people is not to be under estimated. Each person only has their own experience to draw on and it can be easy to judge when outside of a system.
It is a good assumption to make that not all of them are 'loving' the life they ended up with and that it is maybe a lot harder to leave it especially when the real threat of harm comes in to play. We all know what happens to the ones who go against the system - they set them up & can end up in prison after destroying their image, they end up in 're-hab' for indoctrination or even murdered.
Eminem sings about a lot of nasty amoral things but there is one song - 3D - where he says he has sold his soul to the devil & will never get it back, if he'd known what he'd lose he'd never have started to rap. Sometimes people get in way over their heads and are too scared to get out.None of us know what we would do faced with that particular reality.
So - maybe some of them are trying to do both at the same time. At the Brits Cat Deeley said Gaga's album was more than an album it is an art movement and if you think about the things that they actually do to animals and people - then her imagery is still very tame compared to the reality - so if she shocks us - then the truth will shock so much more.
If someone were to give them a key and say 'here is an end to it - let yourself out' there would be a mass exodus - they realise that the gains are not worth the pains. So maybe it's a question of giving out a shock to make people ask what on earth is going on - and having people then find out the truth while forming a resistance to help people escape - which both Gaga and Beyonce do at the end - promise we'll never go back!!!
Beyonce has also 'killed off ' Sasha Fierce - her alter ego - just after the Grammys where the whole performance was about protection and escape - funny that!!!
Maybe it's becoming safer for some of the butterflies to fly away or maybe someone has found the key...................?
x
You know i dont think that was reaching all tha far myself <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Did you see Gaga do the MJ move as they released her from jail???? Beyonce says "do you promise we can go far far away and never come back????? hmmmmmmmm ....something to think about...
I totally left that out! but the first time I saw it, I noticed it too. strange. But yeah, I'm just dreaming...
I rarely get insulting, but you're all crazy with that Illuminati crap. Lady Gaga is not an "Illuminati puppet", she isn't anybody's puppet, she's an artist, and a very original and creative one, and that's exactly the reason why Michael probably likes/liked her.
Just because you deny that exists, doesn't mean it's crap. Perhaps people are interpreting it the wrong way, but if you've gathered enough information, you'd be 'crazy' to deny that there is truth to a lot of it.
Have you heard of David Bowie, Freddie Mercury? If you have, then you'd know that Lady Gaga is not original. She's just something that this generation hasn't seen yet. Btw, I'm in my early 20's, I'm just well informed about music history. I have no idea whether or not Michael Jackson 'liked' Lady Gaga's music... he also 'liked' Nsync and Britney Spears when they were popular...
I rarely get insulting, but you're all crazy with that Illuminati crap. Lady Gaga is not an "Illuminati puppet", she isn't anybody's puppet, she's an artist, and a very original and creative one, and that's exactly the reason why Michael probably likes/liked her.
Just because you deny that exists, doesn't mean it's crap. Perhaps people are interpreting it the wrong way, but if you've gathered enough information, you'd be 'crazy' to deny that there is truth to a lot of it.
Have you heard of David Bowie, Freddie Mercury? If you have, then you'd know that Lady Gaga is not original. She's just something that this generation hasn't seen yet. Btw, I'm in my early 20's, I'm just well informed about music history. I have no idea whether or not Michael Jackson 'liked' Lady Gaga's music... he also 'liked' Nsync and Britney Spears when they were popular...
Nsync and Britney Spears were more than just popular, they were/are record breakers! Hence why MJ liked them and admired them.
Nsync and Britney Spears were more than just popular, they were/are record breakers! Hence why MJ liked them and admired them.
I think the reasons he liked certain artists went beyond how many albums they sold or how many grammy's they won. Call me presumptuous, but I don't think he was that shallow. He probably liked them because he could the were hard-working and spent their teenage years in the spotlight and he could relate to that. I remember hearing him say in an interview that Nsync were "giants in the music industry"... that was clearly an exaggeration. I think he had a lot of respect for them and was trying to be nice.
1.disguises were like mikes especially the black one beyonce wore
2.promise we'll never come back? hmm wudnt that be obvious
3.7 on dice
4.prison like tdcau
5.mj in mirror or woman who looks like him why? We dont see the person
6. lets go far far away
7.homocide and drugs to kill
8. mj moves now and then by ga ga
9. beyonce wore his jacket
10. look on the computer someone talked bout 9s being upside down as clues like in BEPs video Imma be
11.8.17 choreography like ghosts when they were crouching on floor
Nsync and Britney Spears were more than just popular, they were/are record breakers! Hence why MJ liked them and admired them.
I think the reasons he liked certain artists went beyond how many albums they sold or how many grammy's they won. Call me presumptuous, but I don't think he was that shallow. He probably liked them because he could the were hard-working and spent their teenage years in the spotlight and he could relate to that. I remember hearing him say in an interview that Nsync were "giants in the music industry"... that was clearly an exaggeration. I think he had a lot of respect for them and was trying to be nice.
Admiring someone because they broke records is not being shallow at all. Maybe admiring someone for their looks is, but not their talent. And you have to have some kind of talent to go DIAMOND like they did. Regardless of if you like their music or not Nsync and Britney were huge at the time. They ( along with a few record exec's) set the tone for the early 2000's everyone was trying to sound like them. I think he respected the new generation. Plus they helped bring back dance and choreography!
I think also that MJ always respected people who were creative, worked hard, and who he could identify with as far as the moguls in the entertainment system manipulating and controlling them for money. That includes illuminati agents. Like he said in his famous "angry black man's speech" that they were all being robbed and put down. Yesterday I was talking with my boss about Lady Gaga being very creative and having a good side to her, and he said also Madonna had a good side, too (although MJ thought she was jealous and slutty early on). She later adopted poor children and wrote many children's books, somewhat based on her experiences. I just saw the interview where Latoya speaks out on how she herself was controlled and forced to pose for porn by her former husband, and lie about Michael's guilt. He also beat her many times. When she broke free, she could retell her true experiences of how she felt powerless to escape, and of Michael's innocence. Michael is a good judge of character and senses who is friend or foe, regardless of the outer appearance. This whole "greatest demonstration for freedom" may be on many levels.
I think also that MJ always respected people who were creative, worked hard, and who he could identify with as far as the moguls in the entertainment system manipulating and controlling them for money. That includes illuminati agents. Like he said in his famous "angry black man's speech" that they were all being robbed and put down. Yesterday I was talking with my boss about Lady Gaga being very creative and having a good side to her, and he said also Madonna had a good side, too (although MJ thought she was jealous and slutty early on). She later adopted poor children and wrote many children's books, somewhat based on her experiences. I just saw the interview where Latoya speaks out on how she herself was controlled and forced to pose for porn by her former husband, and lie about Michael's guilt. He also beat her many times. When she broke free, she could retell her true experiences of how she felt powerless to escape, and of Michael's innocence. Michael is a good judge of character and senses who is friend or foe, regardless of the outer appearance. This whole "greatest demonstration for freedom" may be on many levels.
You make a good point. I especially agree with the bolded.
I think also that MJ always respected people who were creative, worked hard, and who he could identify with as far as the moguls in the entertainment system manipulating and controlling them for money. That includes illuminati agents. Like he said in his famous "angry black man's speech" that they were all being robbed and put down. Yesterday I was talking with my boss about Lady Gaga being very creative and having a good side to her
I would agree with this. it's pretty interesting to see people pass a judgment on Lady Gaga, calling her disgusting and lewd and whatnot. it's really undeniable she's making bold statements with her appearance and her works. somehow it reminds me of the time when Black or White came out and some people were so offended by one of Michael's dance move where he sort of caresses the area around his crotch (sorry i tried to think very hard to phrase this in a nice way, i hope it doesn't sound offending). We all know he's always been comfortable with placing his hand in that area for many of his dance moves. I'm just saying, different people can have different opinions on what's lewd or not, but since they are artists, it's probably preferable to just look at the work itself without attaching any moral judgments to it.
that said, i don't really think Lady Gaga is an illuminati puppet, in fact she just might be exposing them. And would she get punished for it? i don't know, just look at how people are sliming her already. It's so easy to turn the public against her, so easy to spread hate about her, too easy to label her as evil. sounds familiar yet? JMO tho. everyone's entitled to have one.
L.O.V.E.
a few years ago I was on the NYC subway with a birthday cake to surprise a friend, with a friend along with me. A young man got on the train and pulled his pants down and walked through the train. I had my foot ready to kick him smack in the bare azz when he got to me but he moved to the other side of the train. My friend was looking at me like, were you going to kick him? I said yes, he offends me with exposing his azz, so I'ma offend him by kicking his azz... (with decisions come consequences) luckily a man screamed out pull up your pants before I call the cops, don't nobody want to see your dirty azz LOL...
the point is with every action is a reaction. people who are ready to make statements, should be ready to face the scrutiny, because it comes with the territory. WHEN YOU MAKE BOLD STATEMENTS, BE READY FOR BOLD RESPONSES.
I have never been offended by a MJ's performance, which is a totally different experience than a Gaga or Lambert performance
there is a connection between lady gaga and michael and his name is Rodney Jerkins.
Lady Gaga has been compared to Michael Jackson by her music producer.
Rodney Jerkins, who worked with Gaga on her latest song "Telephone" - which was estimated to received over one billion views on the Internet - said she reminds him of Michael Jackson, whom he worked with on the "Thriller" singers 2001 album "Invincible."
Jerkins told People.com: "We haven't seen an artist like Gaga in a long time - we haven't seen an artist that really has no fear. I remember Michael Jackson used to tell me he was crucified for doing 'Thriller', but he had to do what he felt was needed at that time. I'm just happy to be part of history.
"I've always wanted to leave my stamp on music, and to be able to say that I worked with Michael Jackson and now I'm working with Lady Gaga, who'll probably go down in history as one of the best female entertainers of all time ."
He also talked about how he found the initial task of marrying together the "street" sound which Beyonce - who sings a verse of "Telephone" - wanted with the disco theme the rest of the track has.
He explained: "When I got on the phone with Beyonce, she was telling me she wanted her verses to have a hood, street element, and I actually was caught off-guard. I wondered, 'How am I going to do that? How am I going to make a disco/techno record and create a hood, street anthem vibe for her verse?'
"But once I got to the studio, it just kind of came to me."
hes been friends with mj and janet for ages he may be in on it interesting words from him how mj did thriller which was not liked by some and ga ga did telephone vid raunchy and hated by some again both extreme but will go down in history <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Please tell me in what way is she exposing them ? By promoting what they want ?Wow what a good way to expose them HAHAHA you're all cracking me up
People who expose them are actually being killed or "censored" or not promoted like Lupe Fiasco , 2pac , even Mj
If she was not "one of them" , she wouldn't have all this huge success. Sad indeed.
All of you people saying she wants to expose them are DELUSIONAL. Period.
Hey guys. Didnt realize this blew up so much. Did you find any 'revolt' against all the evils in Off the Wall or Thriller ?
Because you have to understand. If Gaga was in on something. She has to kinda play the part of a celeb. and what we expect. A show. Think about that. She's fairly new.
I really like JukeBox's post, I thought that summed up my opinion pretty well. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a lot of things people forget about Lady Gaga. Also, it's a bit hypocritical of some to judge her and find her negative side without having met her. This is especially so because she is labelled as being different. As someone said before, sound familiar? I guess we may or may not ever know the truth about Gaga and the Illuminati, but at least we don't at the moment. I'm still a bit skeptical on it all but being a Gaga fan, I really hope there is some sort of explanation for the Illuminati imagery in her work. But with what people forget about Gaga. She does ALOT for the gay community. And coming from a disgruntled childhood, her image and her work provides an outlet for her "different" fans who may have a variety of factors which put them up against the social norms. This is why she is "Mother monster" and she has her "little monsters" so she can help those who are struggling find their inner differences and freakish side with herself. She was bullied and picked on in High School for doing things differently and being "out there", but this is just her, which I think is harsh for people to judge her on considering what Michael went through. I think it also worth considering that maybe she has no say in the photo shoots and videos of which she is in that represent this imagery and possibly is an ulterior motive from someone who actually is in the Illuminati? This may be seem far fetched but I'm really hoping there is some sort of explanation into that imagery because I really like the upside that I see in Lady Gaga.
I really like JukeBox's post, I thought that summed up my opinion pretty well. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a lot of things people forget about Lady Gaga. Also, it's a bit hypocritical of some to judge her and find her negative side without having met her. This is especially so because she is labelled as being different. As someone said before, sound familiar? I guess we may or may not ever know the truth about Gaga and the Illuminati, but at least we don't at the moment. I'm still a bit skeptical on it all but being a Gaga fan, I really hope there is some sort of explanation for the Illuminati imagery in her work. But with what people forget about Gaga. She does ALOT for the gay community. And coming from a disgruntled childhood, her image and her work provides an outlet for her "different" fans who may have a variety of factors which put them up against the social norms. This is why she is "Mother monster" and she has her "little monsters" so she can help those who are struggling find their inner differences and freakish side with herself. She was bullied and picked on in High School for doing things differently and being "out there", but this is just her, which I think is harsh for people to judge her on considering what Michael went through. I think it also worth considering that maybe she has no say in the photo shoots and videos of which she is in that represent this imagery and possibly is an ulterior motive from someone who actually is in the Illuminati? This may be seem far fetched but I'm really hoping there is some sort of explanation into that imagery because I really like the upside that I see in Lady Gaga.
She not different at all from all the mainstream 'artists' we see today like Beyonce, Rihanna, Jay Z etc. And that's exactly what my point is. She's just supporting the satanic agenda like most of today's populair 'artists'. So she may look 'different' on the surfac but in mean while she's just the same illuminati puppet as many others.
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It is therefore very easy to dissmiss everything about these artists because they disgust us. The lives they live in amongst the most nasty and corrupt people is not to be under estimated. Each person only has their own experience to draw on and it can be easy to judge when outside of a system.
It is a good assumption to make that not all of them are 'loving' the life they ended up with and that it is maybe a lot harder to leave it especially when the real threat of harm comes in to play. We all know what happens to the ones who go against the system - they set them up & can end up in prison after destroying their image, they end up in 're-hab' for indoctrination or even murdered.
Eminem sings about a lot of nasty amoral things but there is one song - 3D - where he says he has sold his soul to the devil & will never get it back, if he'd known what he'd lose he'd never have started to rap. Sometimes people get in way over their heads and are too scared to get out.None of us know what we would do faced with that particular reality.
So - maybe some of them are trying to do both at the same time. At the Brits Cat Deeley said Gaga's album was more than an album it is an art movement and if you think about the things that they actually do to animals and people - then her imagery is still very tame compared to the reality - so if she shocks us - then the truth will shock so much more.
If someone were to give them a key and say 'here is an end to it - let yourself out' there would be a mass exodus - they realise that the gains are not worth the pains. So maybe it's a question of giving out a shock to make people ask what on earth is going on - and having people then find out the truth while forming a resistance to help people escape - which both Gaga and Beyonce do at the end - promise we'll never go back!!!
Beyonce has also 'killed off ' Sasha Fierce - her alter ego - just after the Grammys where the whole performance was about protection and escape - funny that!!!
Maybe it's becoming safer for some of the butterflies to fly away or maybe someone has found the key...................?
x
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reference to him right?
Just because you deny that exists, doesn't mean it's crap. Perhaps people are interpreting it the wrong way, but if you've gathered enough information, you'd be 'crazy' to deny that there is truth to a lot of it.
Have you heard of David Bowie, Freddie Mercury? If you have, then you'd know that Lady Gaga is not original. She's just something that this generation hasn't seen yet. Btw, I'm in my early 20's, I'm just well informed about music history. I have no idea whether or not Michael Jackson 'liked' Lady Gaga's music... he also 'liked' Nsync and Britney Spears when they were popular...
Nsync and Britney Spears were more than just popular, they were/are record breakers! Hence why MJ liked them and admired them.
I think the reasons he liked certain artists went beyond how many albums they sold or how many grammy's they won. Call me presumptuous, but I don't think he was that shallow. He probably liked them because he could the were hard-working and spent their teenage years in the spotlight and he could relate to that. I remember hearing him say in an interview that Nsync were "giants in the music industry"... that was clearly an exaggeration. I think he had a lot of respect for them and was trying to be nice.
1.disguises were like mikes especially the black one beyonce wore
2.promise we'll never come back? hmm wudnt that be obvious
3.7 on dice
4.prison like tdcau
5.mj in mirror or woman who looks like him why? We dont see the person
6. lets go far far away
7.homocide and drugs to kill
8. mj moves now and then by ga ga
9. beyonce wore his jacket
10. look on the computer someone talked bout 9s being upside down as clues like in BEPs video Imma be
11.8.17 choreography like ghosts when they were crouching on floor
Admiring someone because they broke records is not being shallow at all. Maybe admiring someone for their looks is, but not their talent. And you have to have some kind of talent to go DIAMOND like they did. Regardless of if you like their music or not Nsync and Britney were huge at the time. They ( along with a few record exec's) set the tone for the early 2000's everyone was trying to sound like them. I think he respected the new generation. Plus they helped bring back dance and choreography!
I would agree with this. it's pretty interesting to see people pass a judgment on Lady Gaga, calling her disgusting and lewd and whatnot. it's really undeniable she's making bold statements with her appearance and her works. somehow it reminds me of the time when Black or White came out and some people were so offended by one of Michael's dance move where he sort of caresses the area around his crotch (sorry i tried to think very hard to phrase this in a nice way, i hope it doesn't sound offending). We all know he's always been comfortable with placing his hand in that area for many of his dance moves. I'm just saying, different people can have different opinions on what's lewd or not, but since they are artists, it's probably preferable to just look at the work itself without attaching any moral judgments to it.
that said, i don't really think Lady Gaga is an illuminati puppet, in fact she just might be exposing them. And would she get punished for it? i don't know, just look at how people are sliming her already. It's so easy to turn the public against her, so easy to spread hate about her, too easy to label her as evil. sounds familiar yet? JMO tho. everyone's entitled to have one.
L.O.V.E.
the point is with every action is a reaction. people who are ready to make statements, should be ready to face the scrutiny, because it comes with the territory. WHEN YOU MAKE BOLD STATEMENTS, BE READY FOR BOLD RESPONSES.
I have never been offended by a MJ's performance, which is a totally different experience than a Gaga or Lambert performance
Lady Gaga has been compared to Michael Jackson by her music producer.
Rodney Jerkins, who worked with Gaga on her latest song "Telephone" - which was estimated to received over one billion views on the Internet - said she reminds him of Michael Jackson, whom he worked with on the "Thriller" singers 2001 album "Invincible."
Jerkins told People.com: "We haven't seen an artist like Gaga in a long time - we haven't seen an artist that really has no fear. I remember Michael Jackson used to tell me he was crucified for doing 'Thriller', but he had to do what he felt was needed at that time. I'm just happy to be part of history.
"I've always wanted to leave my stamp on music, and to be able to say that I worked with Michael Jackson and now I'm working with Lady Gaga, who'll probably go down in history as one of the best female entertainers of all time ."
He also talked about how he found the initial task of marrying together the "street" sound which Beyonce - who sings a verse of "Telephone" - wanted with the disco theme the rest of the track has.
He explained: "When I got on the phone with Beyonce, she was telling me she wanted her verses to have a hood, street element, and I actually was caught off-guard. I wondered, 'How am I going to do that? How am I going to make a disco/techno record and create a hood, street anthem vibe for her verse?'
"But once I got to the studio, it just kind of came to me."
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People who expose them are actually being killed or "censored" or not promoted like Lupe Fiasco , 2pac , even Mj
If she was not "one of them" , she wouldn't have all this huge success. Sad indeed.
All of you people saying she wants to expose them are DELUSIONAL. Period.
Because you have to understand. If Gaga was in on something. She has to kinda play the part of a celeb. and what we expect. A show. Think about that. She's fairly new.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=15339
She not different at all from all the mainstream 'artists' we see today like Beyonce, Rihanna, Jay Z etc. And that's exactly what my point is. She's just supporting the satanic agenda like most of today's populair 'artists'. So she may look 'different' on the surfac but in mean while she's just the same illuminati puppet as many others.