gaaahhh...not for one SECOND do i believe that mike was gay, let go have an affair with that fat, cock-eyed b*tch jason pfeiffer. i have no idea what klein and his 'associate' are aiming at but they are only making themselves look more ridiculous with each time they open their filthy mouths. in the beginning, i thought arnie was an upright guy, but now he's acting the sh!t outta some 'voodoo' hollywood celebrity doc who 'rebuilt michael's face' and whatnot...i can't stand it anymore how he boasts about how good he is. he might be good in his field but a little more humbleness wouldn't hurt here, IMO. and now he's def going down the wrong track!
if mike was gay, why on earth is his musical director telling stories from rehearsals how mike was thinking up a stage scene with him and orianthi in a bed, saying: 'don't worry, i can handle it, too'...and why are his bodyguards telling stories about mike 'chewing gum real loud' in the back of the limo with girls...very gay, indeed...NOT!!!
i rather believe people who have worked for or with mike over a respectable amount of time. none of them ever said anything about him being gay or possibly bisexual. anybody who has encountered mike on a private or professional level has said how much he was into women and flirting and all of that. mike is a ladies' man. period!
i wish they would all finally stop throwing dirt at mike trying to make a buck. it's like anyone can come up with the most outrageous BS and get paid for it, too. YOU ARE DISGUSTING ME...mike said it himself (2Bad from 'ghosts').
I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
It just dawned on me: wouldn't it be amazing if this whole issue would make people finally accept that Mike did use doubles? I mean, it seems that most people are offended and upset by the possibility of Mike being gay and totally reject it, and therefor might be receptive to the double issue now.
And, Klein says, as far as he knows, Jason's alleged two-month relationship is the only gay relationship Jackson ever had
Why would Michael wait until the grand old age of 50 to suddenly decide he was gay / or act upon his homosexual feelings. I mean.. to wait half a decade??
Shamone, now.. this part makes no sense!
I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
It just dawned on me: wouldn't it be amazing if this whole issue would make people finally accept that Mike did use doubles? I mean, it seems that most people are offended and upset by the possibility of Mike being gay and totally reject it, and therefor might be receptive to the double issue now.
SURE.... They prefer to accept that he used (uses) doubles instead of being gay... <!-- s:arrow: -->:arrow:<!-- s:arrow: -->
I love this comment someone posted on TMZ. Ive copied and pasted here:
43. 4 471 Photo of female image 3711
5 472 Photo of female image 3711
6 473 Photo of female image 3711
7 474 Photo of female image 3711
8 475 Photo of female image 3711
9 476 Hustler centerfold,
10 August 1992 3711
11 477 Playboy centerfold, Miss October 3711
12 478 Registration card for
13 briefcase 3711
14 479 Playboy centerfold, Miss November 3711
15 480 Playboy centerfold,
16 Miss March 3711
17 481 Hustler centerfold, June 1993 3711
18 482 Page 28 from “G-Spot”
19 article 3711
20 483 Playboy centerfold, unknown date 3711
21 484 Penthouse Page No. 153-154 3711
22 485 Centerfold, Miss May 3711
23 486 Penthouse, Page 8 3711
24 487 Penthouse centerfold 3711
25 488 Playboy centerfold 3711
26 489 Penthouse centerfold 3711
27 490 Penthouse, August 1991 3711
28 491 Penthouse centerfold 3711
1 E X H I B I T S
2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
4 492 Club International centerfold 3711
5 493 Penthouse, double page 6/211 3711
6 494 Penthouse centerfold 3711
7 495 Penthouse, May 1992 3711
8 496 Hustler, Centerfold Special Holiday Honey 1991 3711
9 497 Penthouse centerfold 3711
10 498 Penthouse centerfold 3711
11 499 Penthouse, November 1991,
501 Playboy Magaine, Centerfold Miss November, SBSO 31
502 Playboy Nagazine, Centerfold Miss February (Not same:
503 Playboy Magazine, Centerfold Miss December, SBSO #3
504 Al Golstein’s 100 Best Adult Videos Advertisement, SBSO
505 Playboy Magazine, Centerfold SBSO #31722
506 Hustler Magazine Cover, May 1992, SBSO #317BBB
508 Page from Unknown Magazine, SBSO #317CCC
509 Brown Paper Envelope, SBSO #317F
510 Stiff **** for Lynn Magazine (In Notebook
), SBSO #317
511 Barely Legal Magazine, SBSO #3171
512 Just Legal Magazine, (Premier Issue) (In Notebook), SBSO
513 Finally Legal Magazine (In Notebook), SBSO #317L
514 Playboy Magazine, February 1993 (In Notebook), SBSO #317M
515 Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook), SBSO #3170
516 Playboy Magazine, December 1994 (In Notebook), SBSO #317P
517 Playboy Magazine, May 1994 (In Notebook), SBSO #317Q
518 Hustler Magazine, Barely Legal (In Notebook), SBSO #317R
519 Penthouse Magazine (In Notebook), SBSO #317S
520 Visions of Fantasy Magazine, A Hard Rock Affair (In Notebook), SBSO #3171
521 Visions of Fantasy Magazine, Sam Jose’s Black Starlett (In Notebook), SBSO
522 Double ****ing Caroline Magazine (In Notebook) SBSO #317V
523 Big Tits and a Hard Stud Magazine
524 Hustler Magazine, sBSO #317X
525 “The Second Female G-Spot” Article (In Notebook) SBSO #317BB
526 File Folder Title PRN, SBSBO #317DDD
527 File Folder Titled, “Thank You” SBSO #317EEE
528 Celebrity Skin Magazine (In Notebook) SBSO #317FFF
4 531 Oui, March 1998 in binder 3701
5 532 Over 50, Volume 5, #9, 1996 in binder 3700
6 533 XX rated, April 1995; XX
7 Close Up, April 1995 in binder 3701
8 534 Just 18, Volume 4,
9 Issue No. 10 3700
10 535 Plumpers centerfold 3700
11 536 Hustler, August 1992 in binder 3700
12 537 Hustler, April 1998
13 (No cover) in binder 3699
14 538 Penthouse, March 1992 in binder 3699
15 539 Juggs, June 1996
16 in binder 3699
17 540 44 Plus, June 1996 in binder 3699
18 541 Plumpers, May 1996
19 in binder 3698
20 542 Club International, March 1998 in binder 3698
21
543 Live Young Girls, September
22 2003 in binder 3701
23 544 Finally Legal, July 2003 in notebook 3702
24 545 Finally Legal Freshman Class
25 Orgy, August 2002 in binder 3702
26 546 Purely 18, October 2002 3703 in binder
27 547 Purely 18, December 2002
28 in binder 3703
1 E X H I B I T S
2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
3 548 Tight, November 2002
4 in binder 3703
5 549 Hawk, November 2002 in binder 3704
6 550 Hawk, January 2003
7 in binder 3704
8 551 Live Young Girls, June 2003 in binder 3704
9 554 Girlfriends in binder 3709
10 555 Live Young Girls in binder 3709
11 556 Parade 3709
12 557 Finally Legal, February 2003
13 in binder 3710
14 558 Girls of Barely Legal in binder 3710
15 559 Hawk, February 2003 in binder 3710
16 560... Girlfriends, Special Ediitons
17 in binder 3711
18 563 White binder containing The Girls of Penthouse, August
19 2003 in binder 3708
20 564 White binder containing Barely Legal, July 200
21 in binder 3708
24 Gallery 5/2002 3708
25 580 Binder containing Playboy
26 Couples Volume 2, Issue 2 3707
27 584 Original evidence bag 3707
28 360...2
1 E X H I B I T S
2 FOR IN PLAINTIFF’S NO. DESCRIPTION I.D. EVID.
4 585 White binder containing Barely Legal, Anniversary
5 2002 3707
6 586 Original evidence bag 3705
7 587 White binder containing Naughty Neighbors, December
15 317-O, Hustler Barely Legal 3621 3643
DVDs:
Pimps Up, Hos Down (do***entary)
4 Barely Legal DVDs (Fresh Picked Pink, Dirty Teens Come Clean, Hot! Wet! Tight! Pink! and **** Me I’m Legal)
Michael Ryan’s Believe It Or Not
Sloppy Dogs Presents: **** Me, I’m a Bad Girl
Adult World #2
Internet pornography:
With the ruling, jurors were denied the chance to sample the offerings of Websites such as VarsityTeens.com, TeenSteam.com and Slut1.com. One hard drive alone contained 1,700 photos of “adult erotic material,” Santa Barbara County Deputy District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss said.
1 Item #346: MacIntosh Power Book G3 laptop computer found in Jackson’s master bedroom;
2 which contained:
21 graphic nude female images from “Teen Sex” Internet site.
4 Item #347a: Power Mac G4 located in Jackson’s master bedroom; which contained:
5 19 graphic nude female images;
6 Records of multiple visits to the following websites:
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7 <!-- m -->http://www.adoptablekids.com<!-- m -->
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9 Item #347b: Power Mac G4 located in Jackson’s master bedroom; which contained:
10 10 teenage sex imaging; do***entation of user LD as “King 777 tut / privacy 969.”
11 Item #344 Sony, Vaio model PCV —- W20 laptop computer, located adjacent to the master
bedroom; which contained:
12
- Adult erotica: user ID:“Marcel Jackson / Dr. Black.”
Klein is under pressure to account for time, Michael spent in
his office...and I'm sure this is the story that Klein gave the to investigators to dodge a bullet
MAKES SENSE!! KLEIN HAS MADE THIS UP TO JUSTIFY MICHAELS TIME IN HIS OFFICE!
Interesting article today, thanks for sharing it! Arnie Klein was in my opinion never a friend to Michael or maybe he was but he certainly did betray him.
This is quite interesting: On Saturday, Klein told TMZ he does not believe he betrayed Jackson because Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality.
Michael repeatedly said he was not gay so why say this Arnie Klein? He never tried to hide his sexuality? Uhm he didn't need to hide it because he's not gay. Arnie Klein is making this stuff up for his own purpose!
OMG.. anyone here from Australia? Someone has just made a comment about how, in the Australian press two months after MJ death.. there was a big tadoo in the papers about how it was alledged Klein fondled MJ whilst MJ was knocked out on drugs in his office????
Anyone have a link to this article?
Awful thought.. but what if Jason and Klein got their sweaty hands on MJ whilst MJ was out for the count?
<!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> Sorry.. its a barfing thought.
BUT.. the thinking that Klein is saying this NOW because he is under pressure to account for all those hours MJ spent in his office makes sense!!
""Yeah.. MJ had an affair with one of my employees in his final months of his life.. thats why he was always there!... its not because i was providing lots of unnecessary treatments and taking money from Michael for procedures he didnt need""
If it makes sense.. its probably because its the truth.
If i ever find the Australian article about Klein fondling MJ whilst he was under aenesthetic i will post it.
The reason i posted the list of porn mags was to display the fact that MJ liked to look at pictures of naked ladies.. completely normal for a hetero guy.
Im not getting into the gay/straight argument.. the reason im posting that is to dispell Klein as a LIAR. He is lying for his own reasons, his own gain.. Klein is trying to dodge a bullet.
They wouldn't see eachother for years and then out of the blue
Arnie would call Michael, telling him that he had seen recent pics
of him in the media and that he is starting to look old. Michael was so
afraid of aging and looking old that he let Arnie do whatever it took,
to remain younglooking. Arnie wasn't as close to M as he claims. He was
often taking advantage of Michaels insecurity to make money.
Sorry to ask you that @ladyandbird but how come you are saying the same things in your posts in this thread than heismypeterpan said in her tweets on 30th of april?
For ex she wrote:
he knew if he even suggested to Michael that he was looking "old" Michael would freak out and agree to have whatever work done he suggested.
10:45 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Michael was extremely self-conscious and Arnold knew this but for him, it was all about the $.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply (contd.) on TV and he would then proceed to tell Michael what type of work he thought he needed to have done to look younger.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Arnold would call Michael up out of the blue and tell him he'd seen a recent picture of him...
please dont get offended but i had to ask that. Also cause u seem to know much more bout the jason and arnie story than we do..
I still stick with my first though of Jason having an affair with a double.
Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
It just dawned on me: wouldn't it be amazing if this whole issue would make people finally accept that Mike did use doubles? I mean, it seems that most people are offended and upset by the possibility of Mike being gay and totally reject it, and therefor might be receptive to the double issue now.
Maybe you're right Mo and this is where the "doubles" come into play. Do you think Michael's behind this? Klein has produced a steady stream of lies since June 25th. If he was this shady, why didn't Michael pick up on it earlier? Michael usually cut off people from his life who were hanger-ons... why didn't he do that to Arne? Also, of all people why was Debbie the one to call the whole thing off? Was it purely to protect his children? Perhaps this whole thing was a test to show the fans the power they can have over the media. I don't think this was completely Debbie's doing, I think the fans played a major role.
Klein is under pressure to account for time, Michael spent in
his office...and I'm sure this is the story that Klein gave the to investigators to dodge a bullet
MAKES SENSE!! KLEIN HAS MADE THIS UP TO JUSTIFY MICHAELS TIME IN HIS OFFICE!
That makes sense. I now believe that Klein was the one having the affair with Jason Pfieffer, but that's just my own hunch. I think it's already been established that Klein is gay, so he's not hiding that. There must be another reason. I'm trying to figure out what Klein is really hiding...
I was just reminded that Arnie's assistant was found dead on the sidewalk from an overdose recently and when I read LKL it was stated that Jason is now a CEO of a medical company. Something is very very fishy here. Seems like they are trying to cover their own arses.
the fact of the matter is, MJ believed that relationships between two people and what happend in them were private. No matter if it's true or not, Klein and Jason have no right flapping their gums in public when MJ is no longer alive to be silent, deny or agree. As for saying MJ wouldn't mind...ba ha ha ha. MJ never answered the "gay" question in public (deposition tape not meant for public so I'm not talking about that) because he said that he didn't want to offend his Gay fans! How is them flapping their gums about the question he avoided any different?
Klein is another "friend" MJ would have added to that famous "hit list" of his....
WELL BEING SUCH A LONG TIME FRIEND N CONFIDANT N BETRAYING MJ IS SOMETHING TERRIBLE N SAD... BUT ARNIE IS NO ONE TO CONFIRM ONES SEXUALITY. IF MJ IS ALIVE I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD A HUGE CLASH ABOUT SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS . <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Comments
if mike was gay, why on earth is his musical director telling stories from rehearsals how mike was thinking up a stage scene with him and orianthi in a bed, saying: 'don't worry, i can handle it, too'...and why are his bodyguards telling stories about mike 'chewing gum real loud' in the back of the limo with girls...very gay, indeed...NOT!!!
i rather believe people who have worked for or with mike over a respectable amount of time. none of them ever said anything about him being gay or possibly bisexual. anybody who has encountered mike on a private or professional level has said how much he was into women and flirting and all of that. mike is a ladies' man. period!
i wish they would all finally stop throwing dirt at mike trying to make a buck. it's like anyone can come up with the most outrageous BS and get paid for it, too. YOU ARE DISGUSTING ME...mike said it himself (2Bad from 'ghosts').
rant end <!-- s
It just dawned on me: wouldn't it be amazing if this whole issue would make people finally accept that Mike did use doubles? I mean, it seems that most people are offended and upset by the possibility of Mike being gay and totally reject it, and therefor might be receptive to the double issue now.
And, Klein says, as far as he knows, Jason's alleged two-month relationship is the only gay relationship Jackson ever had
Why would Michael wait until the grand old age of 50 to suddenly decide he was gay / or act upon his homosexual feelings. I mean.. to wait half a decade??
Shamone, now.. this part makes no sense!
SURE.... They prefer to accept that he used (uses) doubles instead of being gay... <!-- s:arrow: -->:arrow:<!-- s:arrow: -->
Klein is under pressure to account for time, Michael spent in
his office...and I'm sure this is the story that Klein gave the to investigators to dodge a bullet
MAKES SENSE!! KLEIN HAS MADE THIS UP TO JUSTIFY MICHAELS TIME IN HIS OFFICE!
This is quite interesting:
On Saturday, Klein told TMZ he does not believe he betrayed Jackson because Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality.
Michael repeatedly said he was not gay so why say this Arnie Klein? He never tried to hide his sexuality? Uhm he didn't need to hide it because he's not gay. Arnie Klein is making this stuff up for his own purpose!
in a sense its abit like our doubles arguments, grabs attention and stops you focusing on other things -sorry to the doubles believes
just a thought
Anyone have a link to this article?
Awful thought.. but what if Jason and Klein got their sweaty hands on MJ whilst MJ was out for the count?
<!-- s
BUT.. the thinking that Klein is saying this NOW because he is under pressure to account for all those hours MJ spent in his office makes sense!!
""Yeah.. MJ had an affair with one of my employees in his final months of his life.. thats why he was always there!... its not because i was providing lots of unnecessary treatments and taking money from Michael for procedures he didnt need""
If it makes sense.. its probably because its the truth.
are they going to produce a stained item of clothing - like the clinton thing? eek
Ian in his book wrote about mike having affairs with men <!-- m -->http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00025578.htm<!-- m --> - i think this is all BS
if mike was gay, he was so attracted to beautiful things, do you think he would go with either - nope
when i see the pain in mike
i think that comments made from Jason are BS leave him alone
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one minute mike is the sex god, next minute he is so into porn, next minute he is gay, what next... forget it
its all pain, a greater power will judge jason and arnie..
all i feel is extreme pain
The reason i posted the list of porn mags was to display the fact that MJ liked to look at pictures of naked ladies.. completely normal for a hetero guy.
Im not getting into the gay/straight argument.. the reason im posting that is to dispell Klein as a LIAR. He is lying for his own reasons, his own gain.. Klein is trying to dodge a bullet.
Sorry to ask you that @ladyandbird but how come you are saying the same things in your posts in this thread than heismypeterpan said in her tweets on 30th of april?
For ex she wrote:
he knew if he even suggested to Michael that he was looking "old" Michael would freak out and agree to have whatever work done he suggested.
10:45 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Michael was extremely self-conscious and Arnold knew this but for him, it was all about the $.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply (contd.) on TV and he would then proceed to tell Michael what type of work he thought he needed to have done to look younger.
10:44 AM Apr 30th via web
Reply Arnold would call Michael up out of the blue and tell him he'd seen a recent picture of him...
please dont get offended but i had to ask that. Also cause u seem to know much more bout the jason and arnie story than we do..
Also to me seems like any person having a pic posing with Michael is claming to have been his lover <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Not even after "dead" he is going to RIP.
Maybe you're right Mo and this is where the "doubles" come into play. Do you think Michael's behind this? Klein has produced a steady stream of lies since June 25th. If he was this shady, why didn't Michael pick up on it earlier? Michael usually cut off people from his life who were hanger-ons... why didn't he do that to Arne? Also, of all people why was Debbie the one to call the whole thing off? Was it purely to protect his children? Perhaps this whole thing was a test to show the fans the power they can have over the media. I don't think this was completely Debbie's doing, I think the fans played a major role.
That makes sense. I now believe that Klein was the one having the affair with Jason Pfieffer, but that's just my own hunch. I think it's already been established that Klein is gay, so he's not hiding that. There must be another reason. I'm trying to figure out what Klein is really hiding...
Klein is another "friend" MJ would have added to that famous "hit list" of his....
what ever you do
you will not break this man - his soul is stronger