If you think it's a double, then when it appears in the store, I think that's it, have a hateful attitude is what I perceive. <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: -->
Watch this video but first pay attention to the first few minutes, watch the double that gets off the plane, watch him walk into the airport and pay close attention to him in the airport SHOP, watch his manerisms, watch his head and hand movement, and then watch tii, and guess who we just found, Now this was 10 years ago and hes not just a impersonator, this is his double he sends around the world as himself. The impersonators are never concerned about cameras getting to close but this double sure is, he doesnt like the camera getting to close and for a good reason, cause hes no impersanator, he is michael jacksons double, he moves and talks just like someone in Tii.
Sorry, but this video is ridiculous. All Michael. I see no double. It makes me angry when some people see in our Michael a double. <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
Also the O2 guy IS Michael. The same with TII. NO double. Except the the one which used for the stunts in smooth criminal.
I'm a fan for about 18 years now. I can distinguish a double from the real Michael.
This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
Oh come on Bec, Michael would never throw doubles at us, he wouldn't do that! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
On a serious note - I still don't understand the anger about the doubles...
This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
Oh come on Bec, Michael would never throw doubles at us, he wouldn't do that! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
On a serious note - I still don't understand the anger about the doubles...
me either!! I mean, MJ would good reasons to use doubles so I don't understand why people get angry about that
a lot of celebrities are using or used doubles on showbiz or private life....there's no reason to be surprised...anyway i am open minded and accept any point of view...even though i found a lot of evidences about mj's double theory...god bless you all
Even joe said there was a double in TII so why would he say that if there was not.The MJ on the cherrypicker in TII i felt was not a double as he just seemed like mj .I can`t make my mind up on orange pants though.
mike's double got a big ego over time and threatened to blow the lid off or even threatened mike's life or became terminally ill all of a sudden and they got rid of that one? but it had to look like mike died so nobody would think he even had doubles? i dunno, that would still involve a crime or self-defense (unlikely to believe since death was brought on by injection, whereas self-defense is a more 'spontaneous' act, i believe) or assisted suicide. not good...
i can see the double theory, like sending one to represent where there's no dancing and singing required. i think he sent navi to japan once instead of going himself. he sent him wearing a black surgical mask...and those nails can be done with stage make up that way, too. i'm pretty sure that mike is aware of the 'giveaways' in his looks and mannerisms and had his guys trained well. i have to say i don't agree on all the suggested doubles, but i do on the fact as such.
I am staying with an open mind. I agree, even though we are all here because we believe MJ is alive. How out there can that be to the rest of the world? Then the believers cannot grasp the fact that they don't know if Michael used doubles?
Who really knows?? What's going to happen to our belief if this entire thing did go down the way we've been fed? I mean how ridiculous is that?
I just want the truth, it may hurt or I may giggle the rest of my life.
Right now today I realized how crazy this is making me. I have a lot of turmoil in my life right now, I am trying to get through it, then "MJ time" gets in the mix...eeeow!
I truly feel he is here with us and somehow this will be revealed. I just hope I am not wearing a coat of many buckles by then.
I don't care if he used doubles or not, I never saw him in person, I have nothing to compare and it really won't make me love him any less. I've seen enough video to back up that theory and I don't discount it. TII showed me two different ideas of MJ. Either doubles or multiple personalities?
I do want those responsible from the very beginning of his troubles to be revealed, I want those masks pulled off. Michael's army of LOVE started way back then, that's when they realized it and it made them scared. Is it scary? Hell yes!
Badkolo your photo does scare me <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Peace, Love and Michael Jackson
Double or not I don´t care. Maybe he used them and probably did. What would it change for us in past?
I´m interested in future and hope to see real Michael not double.
if, and i say if, (please don't attack) Michael used a double in TII, which do you think was the real Michael? me, i'd go for the one that did Thriller. he could have been in the other songs, but Thriller Michael is what i remember most to be him. like the whole song was him. which looked different from the one that did Billie Jean, and he didn't moonwalk, either. maybe the difference in hair styles gave my eyes a problem, but really, he looked more handsome and had a softer expression on his face (like the real Mike) when he did Thriller. movements were smooth, and overall, he looked very smart, despite the thinness. of course BJ had shades on, Thriller did not, but ...i don't know. i am just acknowledging that there were different looks. the one that did Thriller looked different from the one that was supervising or watching the computer images of the Dome Project. the one sucking on a lollipop looked like the one wearing the black shirt with an ankh, but he didn't look like anyone in the movie. he could be Michael, for all i know. the one that was doing the choreography on TDCAU, raising his leg, was very smart as well, and very cute, but he looked so young and not as thin on the face? but the dance moves were Michael's, like the way he carried himself. all so confusing...
i think the red pants, some shots were of him, some were not. one of them could not do the sidestep dancing MJ did in the Dangerous and History concerts. like his feet were getting entangled or something that he just had to stop. and he looked younger.
Ding-ding-ding : next round in the double talk! <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I have only my own thoughts and no evidence on that last question, but I think that TII has brought the main doubles and dopplegangers who have had a part in the "projection" of Michael Jackson that we have been seeing over the years.
It ties in with the line in TII title...discover the man you never knew..
Even joe said there was a double in TII so why would he say that if there was not.
It could also be a marketing strategy paralleling the Barnum Giant - everybody would come to the concerts in order to find out whether the one on stage is the "real deal" or not.
The doubts fit into the "make.believe" campaign of Sony.
They fit into "discover the man you never knew".
MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them".
This makes perfectly sense to me and I tend to believe that as well.
A magician also doesn´t reveal his tricks entirely. At the most a little hint maybe to get the audience more puzzled.
It´s a kind of magic..... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Ding-ding-ding : next round in the double talk! <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I have only my own thoughts and no evidence on that last question, but I think that TII has brought the main doubles and dopplegangers who have had a part in the "projection" of Michael Jackson that we have been seeing over the years.
It ties in with the line in TII title...discover the man you never knew..
Even joe said there was a double in TII so why would he say that if there was not.
It could also be a marketing strategy paralleling the Barnum Giant - everybody would come to the concerts in order to find out whether the one on stage is the "real deal" or not.
The doubts fit into the "make.believe" campaign of Sony.
They fit into "discover the man you never knew".
MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them".
This makes perfectly sense to me and I tend to believe that as well.
A magician also doesn´t reveal his tricks entirely. At the most a little hint maybe to get the audience more puzzled.
It´s a kind of magic..... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
like Criss Angel and David Blaine... <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
I am staying with an open mind. I agree, even though we are all here because we believe MJ is alive. How out there can that be to the rest of the world? Then the believers cannot grasp the fact that they don't know if Michael used doubles?
Who really knows?? What's going to happen to our belief if this entire thing did go down the way we've been fed? I mean how ridiculous is that?
I just want the truth, it may hurt or I may giggle the rest of my life.
Right now today I realized how crazy this is making me. I have a lot of turmoil in my life right now, I am trying to get through it, then "MJ time" gets in the mix...eeeow!
I truly feel he is here with us and somehow this will be revealed. I just hope I am not wearing a coat of many buckles by then.
I don't care if he used doubles or not, I never saw him in person, I have nothing to compare and it really won't make me love him any less. I've seen enough video to back up that theory and I don't discount it. TII showed me two different ideas of MJ. Either doubles or multiple personalities?
I do want those responsible from the very beginning of his troubles to be revealed, I want those masks pulled off. Michael's army of LOVE started way back then, that's when they realized it and it made them scared. Is it scary? Hell yes!
Badkolo your photo does scare me <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Peace, Love and Michael Jacks
coat of many buckles <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> i love it
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I really thik this fans family think different...
I really wonder how some longtime friends can't see it is all Michael.
I can send you 10 of my personal pictures,or 10 of my personal videos, and people would see a double in it also. In each one I look different and different attitude. I know that the double theory helps someone in the hoax theory,but...think well....nobody had doubted before,untill there was the need to doubt about it.That's all...
Again..about the 02 MJ...an expert has already stated the lines in hands are exactly the same as Michael..and those cannot be doubled.
I just wonder...if one day he will come back,how the believers of the doubles will react... will you still trust the man? Or you will see a hoax in whatever he does? Yeah...maybe a double will come back...
Moreover..if MJ was so good in fooling people,and did it also for silly situation, I must suppose you must start doubting about all he said during his interviews,all he said about saving the world,all he has always been.
My choice is: NO. MICHAEL IS JUST ONE. AND AS ALL PEOPLE, WITH MULTIPLE SIDES,ATTITUDES, MOODS, AND LOOKS.
It's too high to get over [yeah yeah]
To low to get under [yeah yeah]
Your stuck in the middle [yeah yeah]
And the pain is thunder [yeah yeah].
This is the song He opened with. Joe had already put that double seed out there. And here we are 11 months down the track and we are still stuck in the middle.
Oh MJ. You are a clever boy. Because of this, you had me running to the cinema at every oportunity to try and fathom all this out.
This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
no one wants to feel that they have been decieved. it probably makes people concerned about the quality of his character. i know i have only been invested since the time of "death" and i have mixed feelings about how that would affect my view of him. it of course depend on the reasons ect. but not being a long time fan it would not feel so bad as with someone who has followed micheal for a long time.
This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
no one wants to feel that they have been decieved. it probably makes people concerned about the quality of his character. i know i have only been invested since the time of "death" and i have mixed feelings about how that would affect my view of him. it of course depend on the reasons ect. but not being a long time fan it would not feel so bad as with someone who has followed micheal for a long time.
I just had to hit the reply button... suspicious mind, my reply is not directed at you personally, but in general at everyone who has been talking about feeling deceived for the use of doubles.
This hoax is not about the fans, this hoax is about Michael Jackson. Please stop projecting things on yourself, and try to walk a mile in his shoes first...
I also don't understand the feeling of deception from this point of view: Michael Jackson is an entertainer by trade. It's what he does for a living. In that way, when we say we are MJ fans we are fans of his brand of work. We just sort of assume for some reason that we are fans of the man himself.
I don't really see that any of us DESERVE the real Michael Jackson, we only deserve to receive what we buy, which is the MJ brand.
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to be logical and down to earth about it.
He's an entertainer. His job is to entertain us. If he's doing that, what other responsibility does he have to us?
"MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them."
That could be what MJ had in mind. I'm on the fence with twin/double, leaning heavily to all illusion--one Michael. For the doubles side just a thought, what if another meaning behind his victory/peace/upsidedown pyramid sign was I'm a double, there's two of me, you are being fooled! And obviously this here's an impersonator.
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Sorry, but this video is ridiculous. All Michael. I see no double. It makes me angry when some people see in our Michael a double. <!-- s:evil: -->:evil:<!-- s:evil: -->
Also the O2 guy IS Michael. The same with TII. NO double. Except the the one which used for the stunts in smooth criminal.
I'm a fan for about 18 years now. I can distinguish a double from the real Michael.
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
Oh come on Bec, Michael would never throw doubles at us, he wouldn't do that! <!-- s
On a serious note - I still don't understand the anger about the doubles...
me either!! I mean, MJ would good reasons to use doubles so I don't understand why people get angry about that
mike's double got a big ego over time and threatened to blow the lid off or even threatened mike's life or became terminally ill all of a sudden and they got rid of that one? but it had to look like mike died so nobody would think he even had doubles? i dunno, that would still involve a crime or self-defense (unlikely to believe since death was brought on by injection, whereas self-defense is a more 'spontaneous' act, i believe) or assisted suicide. not good...
i can see the double theory, like sending one to represent where there's no dancing and singing required. i think he sent navi to japan once instead of going himself. he sent him wearing a black surgical mask...and those nails can be done with stage make up that way, too. i'm pretty sure that mike is aware of the 'giveaways' in his looks and mannerisms and had his guys trained well. i have to say i don't agree on all the suggested doubles, but i do on the fact as such.
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Who really knows?? What's going to happen to our belief if this entire thing did go down the way we've been fed? I mean how ridiculous is that?
I just want the truth, it may hurt or I may giggle the rest of my life.
Right now today I realized how crazy this is making me. I have a lot of turmoil in my life right now, I am trying to get through it, then "MJ time" gets in the mix...eeeow!
I truly feel he is here with us and somehow this will be revealed. I just hope I am not wearing a coat of many buckles by then.
I don't care if he used doubles or not, I never saw him in person, I have nothing to compare and it really won't make me love him any less. I've seen enough video to back up that theory and I don't discount it. TII showed me two different ideas of MJ. Either doubles or multiple personalities?
I do want those responsible from the very beginning of his troubles to be revealed, I want those masks pulled off. Michael's army of LOVE started way back then, that's when they realized it and it made them scared. Is it scary? Hell yes!
Badkolo your photo does scare me <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s
Peace, Love and Michael Jackson
I´m interested in future and hope to see real Michael not double.
i think the red pants, some shots were of him, some were not. one of them could not do the sidestep dancing MJ did in the Dangerous and History concerts. like his feet were getting entangled or something that he just had to stop. and he looked younger.
This makes perfectly sense to me and I tend to believe that as well.
A magician also doesn´t reveal his tricks entirely. At the most a little hint maybe to get the audience more puzzled.
It´s a kind of magic..... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I really thik this fans family think different...
I really wonder how some longtime friends can't see it is all Michael.
I can send you 10 of my personal pictures,or 10 of my personal videos, and people would see a double in it also. In each one I look different and different attitude. I know that the double theory helps someone in the hoax theory,but...think well....nobody had doubted before,untill there was the need to doubt about it.That's all...
Again..about the 02 MJ...an expert has already stated the lines in hands are exactly the same as Michael..and those cannot be doubled.
I just wonder...if one day he will come back,how the believers of the doubles will react... will you still trust the man? Or you will see a hoax in whatever he does? Yeah...maybe a double will come back...
Moreover..if MJ was so good in fooling people,and did it also for silly situation, I must suppose you must start doubting about all he said during his interviews,all he said about saving the world,all he has always been.
My choice is: NO. MICHAEL IS JUST ONE. AND AS ALL PEOPLE, WITH MULTIPLE SIDES,ATTITUDES, MOODS, AND LOOKS.
To low to get under [yeah yeah]
Your stuck in the middle [yeah yeah]
And the pain is thunder [yeah yeah].
This is the song He opened with. Joe had already put that double seed out there. And here we are 11 months down the track and we are still stuck in the middle.
Oh MJ. You are a clever boy. Because of this, you had me running to the cinema at every oportunity to try and fathom all this out.
no one wants to feel that they have been decieved. it probably makes people concerned about the quality of his character. i know i have only been invested since the time of "death" and i have mixed feelings about how that would affect my view of him. it of course depend on the reasons ect. but not being a long time fan it would not feel so bad as with someone who has followed micheal for a long time.
I just had to hit the reply button... suspicious mind, my reply is not directed at you personally, but in general at everyone who has been talking about feeling deceived for the use of doubles.
This hoax is not about the fans, this hoax is about Michael Jackson. Please stop projecting things on yourself, and try to walk a mile in his shoes first...
I don't really see that any of us DESERVE the real Michael Jackson, we only deserve to receive what we buy, which is the MJ brand.
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to be logical and down to earth about it.
He's an entertainer. His job is to entertain us. If he's doing that, what other responsibility does he have to us?
"MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them."
That could be what MJ had in mind. I'm on the fence with twin/double, leaning heavily to all illusion--one Michael. For the doubles side just a thought, what if another meaning behind his victory/peace/upsidedown pyramid sign was I'm a double, there's two of me, you are being fooled! And obviously this here's an impersonator.