MAKE.BELIEVE
Believe that anything you can imagine, you can make real.
Do you think they care who believes what if obtained turnover is adjusting to their planned figures in the end?
Barnum's theories were not only used by Michael but by many PR specialists and psychologists. An example: what was a Tamagotchi good for? It was about playing "as if" you had a pet that you could not have in real life. In the end it was some ounces of plastic with a chip, a small mainboard and a battery inside. A Tamagotchi was able to control people's life just by making a noise. Isn't that really, really ridiculous? Nevertheless, more than 70,000,000 Tamagotchis were sold to date. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi
It does not matter what you believe or don't believe when purchasing music and supporting electronic devices e.g. Sony does not put extremely high energy in delivering clues to us to keep us "in line" within the hoax. It is us who decide to draw certain conclusions based on our pre-dispositions and previous conclusions.
The vaste majority of folks on the planet think - being in touch with exact the same (initial) information as us - that Michael Joseph Jackson died of cardiac arrest due to Propofol overdose.
At some point we decided to question sources, filter information and prefer several information channels vs. others. That does not make Sony or anybody else to be held accountable for this choice and for what we believe. Not even Michael is responsible for our beliefs and conclusions.
What Sony do is create fog and confusion for all alike - hoaxers or non-hoaxers as we have seen with the whoopla about the new album. That's all and it is a very clever overall PR strategy. Businesswise, hoaxers are not important at all and do not get a specific treatment.
Hoaxwise, they get A LOT of attention and goodies. But they don't come from Sony source IMO.
So whatever. I'm having a good time with this hoax and TS helps break up the down time. And it irritates me that haters perpetually feel the need to come here and troll the forum and try to stop me from having a good time. Like I'm some blind moron who lives in fantasy land and needs to be enlightened. 17 months of this crap and I grow weary. For the 456459745th time, non-believers should get an escort to the door.
I smell some seriously shady shit going on with this topic. All things considered, the usernames and the affiliations. Somethings up with this. I don't know what but something isn't right.
Oh and by the way, NO it's NOT an investigator's website... it's a DEATH HOAX investigators website. Look, I didn't name it, I just read the top of the page.
I applaud you so high Bec!!! This is exactly what I felt!!! We have had many non-believers on this forum who came here to create a mess btw the believers. I'm not saying Uranus is a non-believer, he can be or not BUT as I wrote before the timing of him making his first post was too obvious about his purpose. But this is my opinion for sure.
First of, if there're people here who are still not sure about MJ being alive or dead, we have a section for the beginners. I can offer you to take a look at that section first, especially before you jump to a conclusion and start to accuse people.
And I believe that we shouldn't spend more time on confused people because whatever we say, it is not going to satisfy their needs. It's more like they're expecting to be convinced that MJ is gone. And I can not believe how easily some forgot all of the things we have found till today. Did someone erase their minds? I don't know what happened to them really? And I can not say that I want to know lol
Uranus (that's one heck of a username) I think the reason others are reacting negatively to your posts is simply down to timing and while I can absolutely get where you're coming from that TS could simply be stringing people along, providing "clues", waiting for people to interpret them and then picking one to redirect to, thus making it up as he goes along, that would imply he's either messing with us for personal pleasure or for sinister reasons. You seem convinced that being affiliated with Sony means sinister intentions, whereas many of us simply don't see what Sony has to gain by messing with a few thousand hoaxers. When I said the reaction from some to you is down to timing I meant that you just joined, having obviously read and formed opinions on the reactions to TS for quite a while, waiting till the questions surrounding his authenticity were raised and then diving in with grim warnings. Now not everyone here believes in TS and that's fine but why wait till all the commotion started to state this strong opinion, you've obviously had doubts about his intentions for a while. The fact that you seem so fixated on this and seem reluctant to discuss the bigger picture as to why it would be such a bad thing for him to be affiliated with Sony or other matters connected to the hoax raises red flags for many. The warnings you've given about not blindly following him have been stated by many of us here, and I doubt anyone is 100% sure who he is. Therefore many of us keep our objective hat on and decide how relevant each "clue" is/might be. This thing between you and some others is just going round in circles, either you believe TS is genuine or not, if you don't you don't have to read the redirects or the interpretations, nor worry that we're all being brainwashed by the "cult of TS/Sony". Sure every adventure is more thrilling when there's a shadowy bad guy pretending to be one of the good guys, but until TS starts using any influence he has in a negative way in my book he's still one of the good guys.
I can NOT say it any better!!! If my english was better, I would love to make a post like this. And if my feelings for the OP's time of posting allowed me to do too of course. But I 100000000% agree with you trustno1!!! Very well said.
@bec Who said that MJ planned this hoax for 25 years? That's assuming again... We don't know what happened in Michael Jackson's life, nobody here has the truth, we can just speculate. OUR theories could be wrong, who knows?
Puff you asked Bec, but I wanted to add something. Did you start to believe in coincidences in this hoax? Because if you did so, nothing I will say can convince you the opposite. I only want to share this picture with you. But of course it means nothing if you believe that there're coincidences in this hoax and to me all clues can be just coincidences if you start to get them as coincidences.
History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date. And it makes 16 years from now. So even only this one shows that he was planning the hoax for a long long time ago.
This hoax began before TS, right, but without him it wouldn't last so long. Look at the today redirect, it's not time yet to give an explanation? It's about a week of chaos and that is the only thing he could say? Sorry, but I personally don't buy it.
I have to disagree with you. Like you said, the hoax began before TS and even if TS was not here, we would have been searching for the clues etc. We haven't found the clues with the help of TS only, right? He helped us a lot, a LOT but we were here before he came and we would be still here if he wasn't. Any of us are only making the research on this forum and on this TS section. We're all over the internet, at the locations. So pls get rid of the idea of TS spoonfeeds us. Because he doesn't and that is the reason why he doesn't make updates when we NEED to. There's time for everything and patience is the key.
I can NOT say it any better!!! If my english was better, I would love to make a post like this. And if my feelings for the OP's time of posting allowed me to do too of course. But I 100000000% agree with you trustno1!!! Very well said.
Thank You PureLove (and your English is fantastic, if you hadn't said that I would have thought it was your first language!). L.O.V.E to you. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Does anyone think for a second that if TS suddenly announced he was sick of all the speculation about his intentions and said "OK my real name is..." (insert any name from Marlon to Bubbles), that anyone would believe him anyway? No. Because we'd all need a lot more than just a name or a reassurance. Puff you want him to be coherent and responsible, that means answering all the recent questions and dancing to our tune. Ain't gonna happen. The way he's posted throughout this isn't going to change just because people are getting bored with the intrigue and have decided there are questionable motives. There have always been those who've suspected his intentions and there always will be, I don't think calling him out is going to work. Again it's a matter of thinking for ourselves and choosing whether or not to pay him any attention. Or rather deciding what parts of his posts to pay attention to.
Does anyone think for a second that if TS suddenly announced he was sick of all the speculation about his intentions and said "OK my real name is..." (insert any name from Marlon to Bubbles), that anyone would believe him anyway? No. Because we'd all need a lot more than just a name or a reassurance. Puff you want him to be coherent and responsible, that means answering all the recent questions and dancing to our tune. Ain't gonna happen. The way he's posted throughout this isn't going to change just because people are getting bored with the intrigue and have decided there are questionable motives. There have always been those who've suspected his intentions and there always will be, I don't think calling him out is going to work. Again it's a matter of thinking for ourselves and choosing whether or not to pay him any attention. Or rather deciding what parts of his posts to pay attention to.
I agree. Calling TS out seems counter productive. I am certainly not bored with the intrigue, it fits right in with the whole mystery of the hoax because when it comes down to it, we don't know anything for sure. The only thing that I know for sure is my belief that Michael is alive and is watching, planning and waiting.
History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date.
So do these dates in 2009:
12/19/2009
11/20/2009
10/21/2009
09/22/2009
08/23/2009
07/24/2009
05/26/2009
04/27/2009
03/28/2009
01/30/2009
Also, those who read up on numerology know it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040. It should be 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 -> 2+4=6.
But he didn't choose to "die" in those dates, he chose 6/25/2009. He could have chosen any of those dates too if they fit well with the other numerology part of the hoax. I don't think that I need to write them all once more. You know them very well.
And it is YOU who say that it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040 but it DOES work so well. And like you said, if you collect the numbers one by one it makes 6 and it has a sense because we know what 6 means in this hoax. It makes sense in both ways and it WORKS in both ways as well.
Does anyone think for a second that if TS suddenly announced he was sick of all the speculation about his intentions and said "OK my real name is..." (insert any name from Marlon to Bubbles), that anyone would believe him anyway? No. Because we'd all need a lot more than just a name or a reassurance. Puff you want him to be coherent and responsible, that means answering all the recent questions and dancing to our tune. Ain't gonna happen. The way he's posted throughout this isn't going to change just because people are getting bored with the intrigue and have decided there are questionable motives. There have always been those who've suspected his intentions and there always will be, I don't think calling him out is going to work. Again it's a matter of thinking for ourselves and choosing whether or not to pay him any attention. Or rather deciding what parts of his posts to pay attention to.
No, we are not getting bored....we found some incoherences and in my opinion it's normal that he should give us some explanations. Just because he is leading the game doesn't mean that we should shut up and follow him blindly without asking him anything because it's not the right time to give us answers to specific questions.
I can NOT say it any better!!! If my english was better, I would love to make a post like this. And if my feelings for the OP's time of posting allowed me to do too of course. But I 100000000% agree with you trustno1!!! Very well said.
Thank You PureLove (and your English is fantastic, if you hadn't said that I would have thought it was your first language!). L.O.V.E to you. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
awww thank you <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> Sometimes I get so pissed at myself because I can not make the sentences like the way I want to make because of the lack of my english. It's hard to try to express yourself in another language. L.O.V.E to you too. HUGS. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
No, we are not getting bored....we found some incoherences and in my opinion it's normal that he should give us some explanations. Just because he is leading the game doesn't mean that we should shut up and follow him blindly without asking him anything because it's not the right time to give us answers to specific questions.
But you don't need to follow him. TS is not the only one that we have been finding clues from, is he? You can keep on doing your investigation without following TS if you find him unreliable.
History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date.
So do these dates in 2009:
12/19/2009
11/20/2009
10/21/2009
09/22/2009
08/23/2009
07/24/2009
05/26/2009
04/27/2009
03/28/2009
01/30/2009
Also, those who read up on numerology know it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040. It should be 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 -> 2+4=6.
But he didn't choose to "die" in those dates, he chose 6/25/2009. He could have chosen any of those dates too if they fit well with the other numerology part of the hoax. I don't think that I need to write them all once more. You know them very well.
And it is YOU who say that it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040 but it DOES work so well. And like you said, if you collect the numbers one by one it makes 6 and it has a sense because we know what 6 means in this hoax. It makes sense in both ways and it WORKS in both ways as well.
Are you familiar with multicontextual research PureLove? If so, you would have known that there are countless events which hold numerology. Does that mean that all these events are planned..?
No, we are not getting bored....we found some incoherences and in my opinion it's normal that he should give us some explanations. Just because he is leading the game doesn't mean that we should shut up and follow him blindly without asking him anything because it's not the right time to give us answers to specific questions.
But you don't need to follow him. TS is not the only one that we have been finding clues from, is he? You can keep on doing your investigation without following TS if you find him unreliable.
Well, PureLove I could say the same to you, no need to follow this thread if you don't like it, but you keep posting here.... I could make my mind about TS WHEN I'll get some explanations, 'till that moment I'll keep following everything and I'll keep digging into the TS story... Are you going to stop me..?
Does anyone think for a second that if TS suddenly announced he was sick of all the speculation about his intentions and said "OK my real name is..." (insert any name from Marlon to Bubbles), that anyone would believe him anyway? No. Because we'd all need a lot more than just a name or a reassurance. Puff you want him to be coherent and responsible, that means answering all the recent questions and dancing to our tune. Ain't gonna happen. The way he's posted throughout this isn't going to change just because people are getting bored with the intrigue and have decided there are questionable motives. There have always been those who've suspected his intentions and there always will be, I don't think calling him out is going to work. Again it's a matter of thinking for ourselves and choosing whether or not to pay him any attention. Or rather deciding what parts of his posts to pay attention to.
No, we are not getting bored....we found some incoherences and in my opinion it's normal that he should give us some explanations. Just because he is leading the game doesn't mean that we should shut up and follow him blindly without asking him anything because it's not the right time to give us answers to specific questions.
This is exactly my point puff. You found some incoherences/inconsistensies. There have been more than just the recent ones. He said other stuff that went nowhere/didn't happen. This whole recent turmoil all stemmed from the Eliza thing, which was only one of numerous things he pointed to which didn't happen. So why all the fuss now and not then? And I think you're getting a bit confrontational with some, I wasn't aware you owned the thread? (Or do you?). All I said was if you think he's going to pander to a few people who "demand" answers I wouldn't go holding your breath. He could give you a detailed description of his "story" as you put it right down to what he had for breakfast, that doesn't mean you'd believe it. And rightly so. So what makes you think any reasoning he could give you would explain things to your satisfaction? If he confirmed he works for/with Sony we'd only have his word for it. If he said he doesn't we have the same problem. How can we have this proof?
History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date.
So do these dates in 2009:
12/19/2009
11/20/2009
10/21/2009
09/22/2009
08/23/2009
07/24/2009
05/26/2009
04/27/2009
03/28/2009
01/30/2009
Also, those who read up on numerology know it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040. It should be 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 -> 2+4=6.
But he didn't choose to "die" in those dates, he chose 6/25/2009. He could have chosen any of those dates too if they fit well with the other numerology part of the hoax. I don't think that I need to write them all once more. You know them very well.
And it is YOU who say that it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040 but it DOES work so well. And like you said, if you collect the numbers one by one it makes 6 and it has a sense because we know what 6 means in this hoax. It makes sense in both ways and it WORKS in both ways as well.
Are you familiar with multicontextual research PureLove? If so, you would have known that there are countless events which hold numerology. Does that mean that all these events are planned..?
I would love to see those events and their dates Mo. As well as their possible relation with the hoax.
MAKE.BELIEVE
Believe that anything you can imagine, you can make real.
Do you think they care who believes what if obtained turnover is adjusting to their planned figures in the end?
Barnum's theories were not only used by Michael but by many PR specialists and psychologists. An example: what was a Tamagotchi good for? It was about playing "as if" you had a pet that you could not have in real life. In the end it was some ounces of plastic with a chip, a small mainboard and a battery inside. A Tamagotchi was able to control people's life just by making a noise. Isn't that really, really ridiculous? Nevertheless, more than 70,000,000 Tamagotchis were sold to date. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi
It does not matter what you believe or don't believe when purchasing music and supporting electronic devices e.g. Sony does not put extremely high energy in delivering clues to us to keep us "in line" within the hoax. It is us who decide to draw certain conclusions based on our pre-dispositions and previous conclusions.
The vaste majority of folks on the planet think - being in touch with exact the same (initial) information as us - that Michael Joseph Jackson died of cardiac arrest due to Propofol overdose.
At some point we decided to question sources, filter information and prefer several information channels vs. others. That does not make Sony or anybody else to be held accountable for this choice and for what we believe. Not even Michael is responsible for our beliefs and conclusions.
What Sony do is create fog and confusion for all alike - hoaxers or non-hoaxers as we have seen with the whoopla about the new album. That's all and it is a very clever overall PR strategy. Businesswise, hoaxers are not important at all and do not get a specific treatment.
Hoaxwise, they get A LOT of attention and goodies. But they don't come from Sony source IMO.
L.O.V.E.
This post is very enlightening about what's going on and that it is our choice as what to believe. Although, I have to say that even if the hoax believers are not that many, the hoax rumour runs strong. The last two months I, alone, have noticed three references that MJ is alive through the media and I live thousands of miles away from the U.S. And this rumour spreads by hoax believers. All of my friends mock me about telling them that MJ may be alive, yet they know and they spread the rumour as well. So, I cannot be sure how much indifferent this situation would be to Sony in a commercial aspect. Yet, this is just a thought, without blaming them for spreading the hoax for commercial reasons. It is just a possiblity. And then comes *Mo*'s post to show again how a clue cannot be that much of a clue if we do examine it closely.
History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date.
So do these dates in 2009:
12/19/2009
11/20/2009
10/21/2009
09/22/2009
08/23/2009
07/24/2009
05/26/2009
04/27/2009
03/28/2009
01/30/2009
Also, those who read up on numerology know it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040. It should be 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 -> 2+4=6.
This thing, except for how a clue source can guide conclusions, suggests a more trustworthy way of examining clues and relating them to facts.
Please, people, I would like us to stick in the conversation because there are some very interesting points made around here. I think that they could upgrade our means of investigation. Let's not transform this conversation to a vendetta between TS supporters and TS non-supporters.
No, we are not getting bored....we found some incoherences and in my opinion it's normal that he should give us some explanations. Just because he is leading the game doesn't mean that we should shut up and follow him blindly without asking him anything because it's not the right time to give us answers to specific questions.
But you don't need to follow him. TS is not the only one that we have been finding clues from, is he? You can keep on doing your investigation without following TS if you find him unreliable.
Well, PureLove I could say the same to you, no need to follow this thread if you don't like it, but you keep posting here.... I could make my mind about TS WHEN I'll get some explanations, 'till that moment I'll keep following everything and I'll keep digging into the TS story... Are you going to stop me..?
Calm down Puff. I didn't make that post in an angry mood or I wasn't blaming you or attacking you for anything. It's my choice to keep on writing to this post because it doesn't bother me to read other's opinions and sharing more here. I was just telling what else you could do. And definitely I'm not going to stop you for anything as I do not have the right to do that. It seemed like you were not satisfied with TS' behaviour about not posting an update and I was offering you another alternative, that's all.
Does anyone think for a second that if TS suddenly announced he was sick of all the speculation about his intentions and said "OK my real name is..." (insert any name from Marlon to Bubbles), that anyone would believe him anyway? No. Because we'd all need a lot more than just a name or a reassurance. Puff you want him to be coherent and responsible, that means answering all the recent questions and dancing to our tune. Ain't gonna happen. The way he's posted throughout this isn't going to change just because people are getting bored with the intrigue and have decided there are questionable motives. There have always been those who've suspected his intentions and there always will be, I don't think calling him out is going to work. Again it's a matter of thinking for ourselves and choosing whether or not to pay him any attention. Or rather deciding what parts of his posts to pay attention to.
No, we are not getting bored....we found some incoherences and in my opinion it's normal that he should give us some explanations. Just because he is leading the game doesn't mean that we should shut up and follow him blindly without asking him anything because it's not the right time to give us answers to specific questions.
This is exactly my point puff. You found some incoherences/inconsistensies. There have been more than just the recent ones. He said other stuff that went nowhere/didn't happen. This whole recent turmoil all stemmed from the Eliza thing, which was only one of numerous things he pointed to which didn't happen. So why all the fuss now and not then? And I think you're getting a bit confrontational with some, I wasn't aware you owned the thread? (Or do you?). All I said was if you think he's going to pander to a few people who "demand" answers I wouldn't go holding your breath. He could give you a detailed description of his "story" as you put it right down to what he had for breakfast, that doesn't mean you'd believe it. And rightly so. So what makes you think any reasoning he could give you would explain things to your satisfaction? If he confirmed he works for/with Sony we'd only have his word for it. If he said he doesn't we have the same problem. How can we have this proof?
I own this thread..? I don't, that doesn't mean that I can't post my opinion in here... The fact is, he wrote a LOT of stuff about Eliza/Elvis/Linda, and the problem is that the story turned into something completely different from what he pictured in his update 6# and the 9/9/10 (TS wrote: "we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! " while it now appears that there's no LEGAL evidence. TS "forgot" to mention that......) post led me to question EVERYTHING. Is it a problem...? I think it's human nature to question things, right..? And just because I'm not allowed to get an explanation doesn't mean I can't ask him anything.....
That's exactly right but I think even if every single one of us asked him to clarify his intentions regarding the Eliza thing he probably still wouldn't respond. As I've said before in numerous threads I've always leaned towards him being genuine, not because of the Elvis stuff, the numerology or the bible references(anyone could have done that) but the predictions he made that either happened or were pretty close, leading to an assumption that he's affiliated with Sony. As someone who thinks Sony is in cahoots with Michael over all this I don't find that worrying. And he did say think for yourself, so maybe he threw in certain things to see if people did their homework or just blindly did what he told them to do. As I've always said, if it turns out I'm wrong and he is either a person who likes to mess with our heads or (in my opinion less likely) someone with sinister intentions trying to cover up something, I won't be devastated as it was my choice to believe in some of what he wrote. Hats off to the guy in either case, he did a fine job. I think the problem lies in people putting too much faith in any one person no matter who they might be. Even if he were proven to be on the wrong side I'd still be here because I don't think he's the main attraction in all of this.
Oh and Puff I meant to say earlier...Happy Birthday! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Hope you're having a good one in spite of all the differences of opinion going on!
Oh and Puff I meant to say earlier...Happy Birthday! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Hope you're having a good one in spite of all the differences of opinion going on!
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MAKE.BELIEVE
Believe that anything you can imagine, you can make real.
Do you think they care who believes what if obtained turnover is adjusting to their planned figures in the end?
Barnum's theories were not only used by Michael but by many PR specialists and psychologists. An example: what was a Tamagotchi good for? It was about playing "as if" you had a pet that you could not have in real life. In the end it was some ounces of plastic with a chip, a small mainboard and a battery inside. A Tamagotchi was able to control people's life just by making a noise. Isn't that really, really ridiculous? Nevertheless, more than 70,000,000 Tamagotchis were sold to date. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi
It does not matter what you believe or don't believe when purchasing music and supporting electronic devices e.g. Sony does not put extremely high energy in delivering clues to us to keep us "in line" within the hoax. It is us who decide to draw certain conclusions based on our pre-dispositions and previous conclusions.
The vaste majority of folks on the planet think - being in touch with exact the same (initial) information as us - that Michael Joseph Jackson died of cardiac arrest due to Propofol overdose.
At some point we decided to question sources, filter information and prefer several information channels vs. others. That does not make Sony or anybody else to be held accountable for this choice and for what we believe. Not even Michael is responsible for our beliefs and conclusions.
What Sony do is create fog and confusion for all alike - hoaxers or non-hoaxers as we have seen with the whoopla about the new album. That's all and it is a very clever overall PR strategy. Businesswise, hoaxers are not important at all and do not get a specific treatment.
Hoaxwise, they get A LOT of attention and goodies. But they don't come from Sony source IMO.
L.O.V.E.
I applaud you so high Bec!!! This is exactly what I felt!!! We have had many non-believers on this forum who came here to create a mess btw the believers. I'm not saying Uranus is a non-believer, he can be or not BUT as I wrote before the timing of him making his first post was too obvious about his purpose. But this is my opinion for sure.
First of, if there're people here who are still not sure about MJ being alive or dead, we have a section for the beginners. I can offer you to take a look at that section first, especially before you jump to a conclusion and start to accuse people.
And I believe that we shouldn't spend more time on confused people because whatever we say, it is not going to satisfy their needs. It's more like they're expecting to be convinced that MJ is gone. And I can not believe how easily some forgot all of the things we have found till today. Did someone erase their minds? I don't know what happened to them really? And I can not say that I want to know lol
I can NOT say it any better!!! If my english was better, I would love to make a post like this. And if my feelings for the OP's time of posting allowed me to do too of course. But I 100000000% agree with you trustno1!!! Very well said.
Puff you asked Bec, but I wanted to add something. Did you start to believe in coincidences in this hoax? Because if you did so, nothing I will say can convince you the opposite. I only want to share this picture with you. But of course it means nothing if you believe that there're coincidences in this hoax and to me all clues can be just coincidences if you start to get them as coincidences.
History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date. And it makes 16 years from now. So even only this one shows that he was planning the hoax for a long long time ago.
I have to disagree with you. Like you said, the hoax began before TS and even if TS was not here, we would have been searching for the clues etc. We haven't found the clues with the help of TS only, right? He helped us a lot, a LOT but we were here before he came and we would be still here if he wasn't. Any of us are only making the research on this forum and on this TS section. We're all over the internet, at the locations. So pls get rid of the idea of TS spoonfeeds us. Because he doesn't and that is the reason why he doesn't make updates when we NEED to. There's time for everything and patience is the key.
Thank You PureLove (and your English is fantastic, if you hadn't said that I would have thought it was your first language!). L.O.V.E to you. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
So do these dates in 2009:
12/19/2009
11/20/2009
10/21/2009
09/22/2009
08/23/2009
07/24/2009
05/26/2009
04/27/2009
03/28/2009
01/30/2009
Also, those who read up on numerology know it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040. It should be 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 -> 2+4=6.
I don't agree... Coherence/Responsibility should be the key...
I agree. Calling TS out seems counter productive. I am certainly not bored with the intrigue, it fits right in with the whole mystery of the hoax because when it comes down to it, we don't know anything for sure. The only thing that I know for sure is my belief that Michael is alive and is watching, planning and waiting.
But he didn't choose to "die" in those dates, he chose 6/25/2009. He could have chosen any of those dates too if they fit well with the other numerology part of the hoax. I don't think that I need to write them all once more. You know them very well.
And it is YOU who say that it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040 but it DOES work so well. And like you said, if you collect the numbers one by one it makes 6 and it has a sense because we know what 6 means in this hoax. It makes sense in both ways and it WORKS in both ways as well.
No, we are not getting bored....we found some incoherences and in my opinion it's normal that he should give us some explanations. Just because he is leading the game doesn't mean that we should shut up and follow him blindly without asking him anything because it's not the right time to give us answers to specific questions.
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But you don't need to follow him. TS is not the only one that we have been finding clues from, is he? You can keep on doing your investigation without following TS if you find him unreliable.
Are you familiar with multicontextual research PureLove? If so, you would have known that there are countless events which hold numerology. Does that mean that all these events are planned..?
Well, PureLove I could say the same to you, no need to follow this thread if you don't like it, but you keep posting here.... I could make my mind about TS WHEN I'll get some explanations, 'till that moment I'll keep following everything and I'll keep digging into the TS story... Are you going to stop me..?
This is exactly my point puff. You found some incoherences/inconsistensies. There have been more than just the recent ones. He said other stuff that went nowhere/didn't happen. This whole recent turmoil all stemmed from the Eliza thing, which was only one of numerous things he pointed to which didn't happen. So why all the fuss now and not then? And I think you're getting a bit confrontational with some, I wasn't aware you owned the thread? (Or do you?). All I said was if you think he's going to pander to a few people who "demand" answers I wouldn't go holding your breath. He could give you a detailed description of his "story" as you put it right down to what he had for breakfast, that doesn't mean you'd believe it. And rightly so. So what makes you think any reasoning he could give you would explain things to your satisfaction? If he confirmed he works for/with Sony we'd only have his word for it. If he said he doesn't we have the same problem. How can we have this proof?
I would love to see those events and their dates Mo. As well as their possible relation with the hoax.
This post is very enlightening about what's going on and that it is our choice as what to believe. Although, I have to say that even if the hoax believers are not that many, the hoax rumour runs strong. The last two months I, alone, have noticed three references that MJ is alive through the media and I live thousands of miles away from the U.S. And this rumour spreads by hoax believers. All of my friends mock me about telling them that MJ may be alive, yet they know and they spread the rumour as well. So, I cannot be sure how much indifferent this situation would be to Sony in a commercial aspect. Yet, this is just a thought, without blaming them for spreading the hoax for commercial reasons. It is just a possiblity. And then comes *Mo*'s post to show again how a clue cannot be that much of a clue if we do examine it closely.
This thing, except for how a clue source can guide conclusions, suggests a more trustworthy way of examining clues and relating them to facts.
L.O.V.E.
Calm down Puff. I didn't make that post in an angry mood or I wasn't blaming you or attacking you for anything. It's my choice to keep on writing to this post because it doesn't bother me to read other's opinions and sharing more here. I was just telling what else you could do. And definitely I'm not going to stop you for anything as I do not have the right to do that. It seemed like you were not satisfied with TS' behaviour about not posting an update and I was offering you another alternative, that's all.
I own this thread..? I don't, that doesn't mean that I can't post my opinion in here... The fact is, he wrote a LOT of stuff about Eliza/Elvis/Linda, and the problem is that the story turned into something completely different from what he pictured in his update 6# and the 9/9/10 (TS wrote: "we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! " while it now appears that there's no LEGAL evidence. TS "forgot" to mention that......) post led me to question EVERYTHING. Is it a problem...? I think it's human nature to question things, right..? And just because I'm not allowed to get an explanation doesn't mean I can't ask him anything.....
@PureLove
He can write whatever he wants, that is not my point and probably you don't get it