SimPattyK, I've long been convinced that hatman at the memorial was Elvis, and blond lady was MJ. I totally see him involved and willing, whatever MJ requires of him. I see MJ so confident in Elvis’ knowledge and ability that he just lets him do his thing, much as he trusts the experts in their fields with his music projects. <br /><br />I’m glad you still occasionally explore MJ disguised as Murray themes, though it’s fraught with challenge. That subject will NEVER leave my back-burner (simmering ).<br /><br />Then I've regularly been examining Prince and Elvis pics. A surrogate mother (Debbie) would carry the sperm (MJ's) and egg (Lisa's) of 2 other people. Notice how rich and deep Prince's voice is. For now, we only have 'whispers', and not too much solid evidence.<br />http://static.igossip.com/photos/woodenspears_Michael_Jackson_69495_prince_jackson.jpg<br />http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lit7wsBYid1qiwjfzo1_500.jpg<br />
<br />SimPattyK, I've long been convinced that hatman at the memorial was Elvis, and blond lady was MJ. I totally see him involved and willing, whatever MJ requires of him. I see MJ so confident in Elvis’ knowledge and ability that he just lets him do his thing, much as he trusts the experts in their fields with his music projects.
yesss MjonMind I remember now that you say...I remember you once mentioned the HATMAN standing in the crowd from "Megamind"! and then you also said something about the hatman at the funeral! I know you are a "hard-core" double belIEver just like me!! <br />funny thing how Elvis has a song "stranger in the Crowd" and how he was spotted in the CROWD at Obama's inauguration and how there's also a Hatman in the CROWD in Megamind!!! needless to say that the HAT from Megamind resembles a lot to the HAT from Mj's funeral !! so... the insinuations are clear and there are NO coincidences!!<br /><br />
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I’m glad you still occasionally explore MJ disguised as Murray themes, though it’s fraught with challenge. That subject will NEVER leave my back-burner (simmering ).
I loved this comment of yours ! You're such a clever , witted girl! <br />And I guarantee you...dr. Conrad Murray's been on my mind every day for that matter, too!! <br /><br />
Now, you're definitely "my partner in crime" lmao <br />sssht How can you be touching all these sensitive subjects in such an outgoing way? <br /> you nasty you! <br /><br /><br />Blessings to you! bearhug<br />
So you think that Elvis was disguised as Hatman !!!??? And you think the blond lady was Michael !!!!????<br />I can't really tell. If I had to chose I would put blond lady as Michael and Hatman as Elvis only because of size. I don't know. If that is true, then I think that is totally hysterical !!!!! I am laughing right now. Hardly anyone would have thought about that. I don't think people were thinking about Elvis because it was supposed to be Michael's "memorial". Also, I was thinking that maybe Michael was up somewhere filming ??? Also, Hatman could also be Dr. Murray ???? He couldn't go as himself because he is the one who committed "unintentional manslaughter". <br /><br />SimPattyK you are so observant. /bravo/
<br />So you think that Elvis was disguised as Hatman !!!??? And you think the blond lady was Michael !!!!????
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If that is true, then I think that is totally hysterical !!!!! I am laughing right now.
oohh yesss! I myself had one of those freaky moment of laughing all by myself in front of my PC screen while digging those photos in my hard disk, thinking of how to put them together to illustrate my thoughts of how I envisioned the KINGS alive, in disguise at the most televised event ever: Mj's memorial & funeral!<br />it's really something that NO ONE would EVER imagine of DOING!<br />That's exactly the point! this was their perfect double-protection for their disguises!<br />This is why they took this risk. Or maybe they didn't? Are the hatman and the blonde just some "look alikes" intentionally planted there to stir up the hoaxers minds? making us think that they were Mj & Elvis?<br />
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Hardly anyone would have thought about that.
exactly! therefore: hardly anyone would have uncovered them right then and there! because NOBODY could have ever conceived at that time: a HOAX of such magnitude!!<br />
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I don't think people were thinking about Elvis because it was supposed to be Michael's "memorial".
Even more so: this was even better for Elvis' disguise to go well!<br />
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Also, I was thinking that maybe Michael was up somewhere filming ???
yes , me too. that's another position that I've pictured him doing<br />
<br /><br />Regarding the video above ^^ where Elvis talks about his movie career...<br /><br />He says he was not satisfied with the roles he got and with the image that Hollywood was portraying of him, but he didn't have any word to say , he was bound by contracts to do it even though he felt some roles were not appropriate for him. At the same time he tried to give his best out of those films, being a perfectionist, I bet he was! It just breaks my heart to hear him say he got physically ill by the torment that was in him trying to to do his best in movies that did not correspond to what he wanted as an actor. I've read that people close to him were saying that Elvis adored acting and doing movies, but he was not only discouraged, but also disappointed by the films he was basically forced to play in (mostly by col Tom Parker, his manager) just for money! That's why he so boldly states in this interview that no amount of money could have given him the self-satisfaction while doing those movies...<br /><br />Now, in my opinion as a fan: I saw all his movies. Some I totally adored!! some I loved them just because it was him in those films! lol And here's how what he says in the interview explains it all: the movie would have been 100 worse if it wasn't him playing int it, because he really did his best to make a lame action movie look like a good one. He just filled the screen with his presence, nothing else really mattered! That's why all his films had such a success and made the money that col. Tom Parker wanted. But all this at the cost of Elvis' unhappiness and frustrations! he wanted to have a real acting career .<br /><br />Now what's the point of me telling you all this??<br />This is how I relate this to the hoax, it's just my "guess", my opinion, I don't have to be right about this loll I think that this may be just another reason why Elvis might have got convinced to return after all and get involved in Michael's hoax, which at least at some level seems to be a reality-movie , the most innovative, ingenious form of cinema ever! with action, actors and everything! What if Elvis was attracted so much by this whole movie-thing that he decided to take a role in it too, just to conquer all his frustrations from not getting a good movie role in his previous film career? As a passionate artist and cinema lover, I think this would seem rather tempting! something that happens once in a lifetime, something that shouldn't be missed! Especially because I feel he wants to clear things out about his death hoax too, as long as he still has time... <br /><br />What you guys think about this? Do i have a point here or is it just my wishful thinking? loll<br />
<br />These videos are not exactly connected to the hoax lol <br />I just wanted to share them in relation to what I was saying above ^^ about Elvis' movies...<br />
[size=12pt]In my opinion, these wonderful fan-made videos greatly emphasize, <br />in a summed-up line, <br />the essence of Elvis' charm and talent as an actor[/size] <br /><br /><br /><br />
May I ask everyone to sit down and take a deep breath......I think I may have had the over-hoaxed sensation of the entire adventure.<br />Promise not to laugh.....too hard.....or hate me....too much: <br />The thought actually crossed my mind a while back that perhaps this particular photo of Debbie (the one just listed....red shirt)....was actually Michael. I had just finished watching Ghost and the making of video when I first saw this picture, lol. Wouldn't that shock the world to bits and pieces geek/<br /><br />Blessings.....always!
After thinking back to June 2009, I remember seeing the memorial on T.V.. They showed Debbie Rowe watching the memorial outside in a street/park near the Staples Center. She was in tears. She didn't go inside the Staples Center to watch it.
<br />May I ask everyone to sit down and take a deep breath......I think I may have had the over-hoaxed sensation of the entire adventure.<br />Promise not to laugh.....too hard.....or hate me....too much: <br />The thought actually crossed my mind a while back that perhaps this particular photo of Debbie (the one just listed....red shirt)....was actually Michael. I had just finished watching Ghost and the making of video when I first saw this picture, lol. Wouldn't that shock the world to bits and pieces geek/<br />Blessings.....always!
LMAO @Wish so funny suggestion!<br />Just for fun... here are some photo-montages "special Mike & Debbie" for you, sis' <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
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<br />After thinking back to June 2009, I remember seeing the memorial on T.V.. They showed Debbie Rowe watching the memorial outside in a street/park near the Staples Center. She was in tears. She didn't go inside the Staples Center to watch it.<br />
loll Even though I think Michael is capable of any doing any disguise, I really don't think this was Michael in disguise...<br /><br />
OMGosh Sim.......no way, you made a montage geek/ <br />I told you, over-hoaxed moment of the adventure!!<br />Clearly not the same... geek/ ...... or am I missing something, it's been known to happen.<br /><br />Thank you for this.....you're a sweetheart!<br />Blessings!
Well it feels so good to laugh hard from time to time, especially after some tensed moments of contradictions on the forum <br />Thanks for making me smile...laugh, Wish <br />kissssssss
<br />[size=14pt]The following films mentioned in "This is It" in the credits: <br /><br />- Suddenly last Summer<br />- The Big Sleep<br />- The Front Page<br />- Angels with Dirty Faces<br />- Gilda<br />- Friday Girl<br />- Tokyo Joe[/size]<br /><br />Again 7...Now do we need to consider only the title or the whole film? Well, I considered all films, and all have to do with Michael's life. That was an amazing experience. In one film Humphrey Bogart mentions even Peter Pan <!-- s --><!-- s --> <br /><br />Then the reversed song "This is It".<br />
<br />[size=13pt]GERALDO: Whats the big plan, whats the big picture at this stage in life, what has been left unachieved? What would you like to do?<br /><br />MICHAEL: Um.. There are alot of surprises. Um.. Film. I love film.<br /><br />GERALDO: What else?<br /><br />MICHAEL: Well, its not so much so film but its innovating it. And pioneering it. Taking the medium to a new place.<br /><br />GERALDO: You're not talking about music videos now?<br /><br />MICHAEL: No, no. Because I used the music video medium as a short film medium um to take me to the next level and Im.. Im having alot of fun, you know.[/size]
<br />I've just watched [size=18pt]the movie "Suddenly Last Summer" 1959 [/size]and i found so many connections with Michael's life. I'm just going to list them all here, but i'm sorry in case it's been already discussed in another thread. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <br /><br /><!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053318/plotsummary<!-- m --><br />Plot summery: A wealthy harridan, Violet Venable, attempts to bribe Dr. Cukrowicz, a young psycho-surgeon from a New Orleans mental hospital that is desperately in need of funds, into lobotomizing her niece, Catherine Holly. Violet wants the operation performed in order to prevent Catherine from defiling the memory of her son, the poet Sebastian. Catherine has been babbling obscenely about Sebastian's mysterious death that she witnessed while on holiday together in Spain the previous summer.<br /><br />1) The release date in USA was on 22 December 1959, which is almost the time of 911 (12:21) call and 2012 movie "End of the World" date (12:21). It's not exactly the same, but i thought it was an interesting coincidence.<br /><br />2) The main character Sebastian (who died suddenly last summer) a poet, who deeply believes in God, loves nature and sees God in it even in cruel aspects of nature. He even said to his mother that he really did see God's face, but of course not even his own mother who loved him more than anything could believe him. She realized that he was telling the truth only after he passed. <br /><br />3) Sebastian thought that there is something very wrong going on with the planet, he wanted to fix it somehow.<br /><br />4) Sebastian created his own little peace of nature in his house The Jungle Garden where was everything he loved (Michael's Neverland Ranch) <br /><br />5) Sebastian's studio was fool of art works and rare peaces of furniture just like in "V for Vendetta" and Michael's house. In his studio he also had a lot of things that represented death (skulls, a statue of skeleton with the wings etc) and we know how Michael is in to these things (Thriller, Gosts etc).<br /><br />6) Sebastian died of a heart attach, just like Michael "did". For few months before Sebastian's death he was taking large amounts of pills supposedly for his heart (but no one knew for sure what they were). <br /><br />7) The main story line of a movie is trying to find the TRUTH of what really happened the day Sebastian died. The only witness is his cousin Catherine (Elizabeth Taylor) who lost her memory at that day due to the shocking events. She could not remember anything that happened that day, but she knew the TRUTH about Sebastian's relationship with his mother and all people around him. She said that he used people around him (just like LMP said about Michael on Oprah) here is an interesting quote Catherine said: "Is that what love is? Using people? And maybe that's what hate is - not being able to use people." ( I am not saying that Michael was using people, but he was a very smart and educated man, he could use his enemies for his own good <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> )<br /><br />8) No one saw the body of Sebastian, not even his own mother. The body was delivered from Spain (where he died) in a sealed coffin. <br /><br />9) When Dr. Cukrowicz came to see Catherine for the first time, she told him a story of the first memory that comes in to her mind, a horrible story of how she "lost her honor" in the oak forest. She asked doctor if he is going to play a game with her now, how ill patients are asked to look at weird pictures and say whatever first comes in to their mind. Doctor agrees and points at the LEAF SHADOW ON THE WALL (kind of like the one we have in ambulance picture with Michael) and the first thing she sees is of course her first memory. (just like we are (believers) are "ill" and "crazy" in people's eyes, were pointed by TS on that leaf-like pattern on the ambulance picture and of course the first thing we saw there was Michael's face <!-- s --><!-- s -->)<br /><br />10) The most interesting part to me is in the end of the movie, when Catherine finally remembers the TRUTH about that day (only because she was treated with love by Dr. Cukrowicz, and he did not see her as a crazy lady, he thought she only needs a little bit of help and support <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->) Then finally we see that Catherine was really NOT THE ONE WHO WAS CRAZY, but Sebastian's mother! Table turned around <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <br /><br />I also hope sometime very soon we will not be the "crazy" ones and people who did not BELIEVE in Michael will regret their accusations toward us. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <br /><br />L.O.V.E you all! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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<br />I've spend another wonderful evening watching [size=18pt]"In a Lonely Place", another movie used in "This is it". [/size]<br />
Storyline<br />Screenwriter Dixon Steele, faced with the odious task of scripting a trashy bestseller, has hat-check girl Mildred Atkinson tell him the story in her own words. Later that night, Mildred is murdered and Steele is a prime suspect; his record of belligerence when angry and his macabre sense of humor tell against him. Fortunately, lovely neighbor Laurel Gray gives him an alibi. Laurel proves to be just what Steele needed, and their friendship ripens into love. Will suspicion, doubt, and Steele's inner demons come between them?
<br /><br />1. Everyone who doesn't really know Steele thinks that he is weird and that there is something wrong with him.<br />2. The main character Steele can VERY much represent Michael during his 2005 trial. Same as Michael, Steele was innocent, but due to his explosive personality a lot of people around him suspect that he IS guilty, even a woman who loves him very much. Only a couple of his very close friends know that he is NOT guilty. But his life gets ruined anyway by these allegations. <br />3. Second movie in a row where UCLA is mentioned <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Watch it at 11:48<br />[youtube:1leapa8c] />4.Police in the end finds out who the real murder is and gives their apology to Steele and Laurel, but it's toooooooo late, the damage has been done!<br /><br />I truly believe that if every single fan of Michael watched all those movies from "This is it" they would know for sure that Michael is alive! These movies are unbelievable!!! <br />Next one to watch is "His Girl Friday" <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
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<br />So i finally watched [size=18pt]the legendary movie "Gilda"[/size] (should have done it a long time ago)<br />1. Awesome "coincidence": Here is a screenshot of a first thing you see when the movie starts<br />
Gilda: Maria, I have the funniest feeling. <br />Don't tell anybody,<br />but I'm awfully superstitious. <br />Don't tell anybody. <br />I have the funniest feeling<br />that this is it. <br />- It?<br />- I mean...<br />That for me, too, it's carnival.
<br /><br />These are just the two things i never saw anybody to point out, so i thought that it was worth to mention. <br /><br />P.S Thank you Michael for making me watch all those Hollywood movies, i'm having such a great time! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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[size=12pt]Many thanks to Kristina <br />for here interesting presentation of these movies, <br />especially for highlighting the parallels to Michael's hoax! /bravo/[/size]
[size=18pt]MICHAEL ~ leading Actorin DISGUISE<br /><br />episode no. 1 ~ Dave Dddddave[/size] <br /><br />
<br /><br />***Back in the '88 he said in an interview ... "I can fool my own mother, she wouldn't recognize me"; his good friend , Chris Tucker declared that they used to go together to the movies, Michael all disguised and playing pranks even to him, laughing out loud in the theater with no fear of being recognized by the people there... See the link: /><br />
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[size=14pt]2 new videos appeared this month in relation to <br />LARRY KING ~ DAVE DAVE & PARIS !!! <br />Worth watching all the series of videos! [/size]<br /><br /><br /><br />
I love your posts SIM! Thank you so much! <br />Just wanted to let you know that!<br />I will re-read and read again...this is all just amazing! <br />Have a beautiful day!<br />Blessings
<br />I've just watched [size=18pt]the movie "Suddenly Last Summer" 1959 [/size]and i found so many connections with Michael's life. I'm just going to list them all here, but i'm sorry in case it's been already discussed in another thread. <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <br /><br /><!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053318/plotsummary<!-- m --><br />Plot summery: A wealthy harridan, Violet Venable, attempts to bribe Dr. Cukrowicz, a young psycho-surgeon from a New Orleans mental hospital that is desperately in need of funds, into lobotomizing her niece, Catherine Holly. Violet wants the operation performed in order to prevent Catherine from defiling the memory of her son, the poet Sebastian. Catherine has been babbling obscenely about Sebastian's mysterious death that she witnessed while on holiday together in Spain the previous summer.<br /><br />1) The release date in USA was on 22 December 1959, which is almost the time of 911 (12:21) call and 2012 movie "End of the World" date (12:21). It's not exactly the same, but i thought it was an interesting coincidence.<br /><br />2) The main character Sebastian (who died suddenly last summer) a poet, who deeply believes in God, loves nature and sees God in it even in cruel aspects of nature. He even said to his mother that he really did see God's face, but of course not even his own mother who loved him more than anything could believe him. She realized that he was telling the truth only after he passed. <br /><br />3) Sebastian thought that there is something very wrong going on with the planet, he wanted to fix it somehow.<br /><br />4) Sebastian created his own little peace of nature in his house The Jungle Garden where was everything he loved (Michael's Neverland Ranch) <br /><br />5) Sebastian's studio was fool of art works and rare peaces of furniture just like in "V for Vendetta" and Michael's house. In his studio he also had a lot of things that represented death (skulls, a statue of skeleton with the wings etc) and we know how Michael is in to these things (Thriller, Gosts etc).<br /><br />6) Sebastian died of a heart attach, just like Michael "did". For few months before Sebastian's death he was taking large amounts of pills supposedly for his heart (but no one knew for sure what they were). <br /><br />7) The main story line of a movie is trying to find the TRUTH of what really happened the day Sebastian died. The only witness is his cousin Catherine (Elizabeth Taylor) who lost her memory at that day due to the shocking events. She could not remember anything that happened that day, but she knew the TRUTH about Sebastian's relationship with his mother and all people around him. She said that he used people around him (just like LMP said about Michael on Oprah) here is an interesting quote Catherine said: "Is that what love is? Using people? And maybe that's what hate is - not being able to use people." ( I am not saying that Michael was using people, but he was a very smart and educated man, he could use his enemies for his own good <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> )<br /><br />8) No one saw the body of Sebastian, not even his own mother. The body was delivered from Spain (where he died) in a sealed coffin. <br /><br />9) When Dr. Cukrowicz came to see Catherine for the first time, she told him a story of the first memory that comes in to her mind, a horrible story of how she "lost her honor" in the oak forest. She asked doctor if he is going to play a game with her now, how ill patients are asked to look at weird pictures and say whatever first comes in to their mind. Doctor agrees and points at the LEAF SHADOW ON THE WALL (kind of like the one we have in ambulance picture with Michael) and the first thing she sees is of course her first memory. (just like we are (believers) are "ill" and "crazy" in people's eyes, were pointed by TS on that leaf-like pattern on the ambulance picture and of course the first thing we saw there was Michael's face <!-- s --><!-- s -->)<br /><br />10) The most interesting part to me is in the end of the movie, when Catherine finally remembers the TRUTH about that day (only because she was treated with love by Dr. Cukrowicz, and he did not see her as a crazy lady, he thought she only needs a little bit of help and support <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->) Then finally we see that Catherine was really NOT THE ONE WHO WAS CRAZY, but Sebastian's mother! Table turned around <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> <br /><br />I also hope sometime very soon we will not be the "crazy" ones and people who did not BELIEVE in Michael will regret their accusations toward us. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <br /><br />L.O.V.E you all! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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[size=14pt]Great video DISSECTING piece by piece the MOVIE "This is IT"[/size]<br /><br />Watch all the parts from this YT channel!<br />this part is about Light-MAN --- Elizabeth Taylor's image appearing on it --- extracted from the 1959 movie "Suddenly Last Summer"<br /><br />
This has nothing to do with what I've been posting on this topic lately, but more to the ideas that run through my head these days , in the light of the last TS post - "The Sign 1", so before i let it "simmer" for a while and do some more research on the whole thing, I just wanted to say that I think Michael planned this whole hoax to be a reality movie, for all the purposes that had been already discussed, but the new idea that came to me now is that Michael chose for his movie to have as scenario and script - the Bible or some parts of the Bible, that he felt were significant and contained enough symbolism as to reflect: what had happened in his life prior to June 25th, what happens now and what will happen in the future!<br />I think the Bible is the "mirror" of Michael's scenario/script for HIShoax/HIStory (Past, Present and Future!) and as God is the divine "Director" of it all, Michael (name significance -godlike) is the genius Director of this hoax-movie which is intended to make this world a better place, by using the divine WORD! it's really the perfect plan ever!
<br />This has nothing to do with what I've been posting on this topic lately, but more to the ideas that run through my head these days , in the light of the last TS post - "The Sign 1", so before i let it "simmer" for a while and do some more research on the whole thing, I just wanted to say that I think Michael planned this whole hoax to be a reality movie, for all the purposes that had been already discussed, but the new idea that came to me now is that Michael chose for his movie to have as scenario and script - the Bible or some parts of the Bible, that he felt were significant and contained enough symbolism as to reflect: what had happened in his life prior to June 25th, what happens now and what will happen in the future!<br />I think the Bible is the "mirror" of Michael's scenario/script for HIShoax/HIStory (Past, Present and Future!) and as God is the divine "Director" of it all, Michael (name significance -godlike) is the genius Director of this hoax-movie which is intended to make this world a better place, by using the divine WORD! it's really the perfect plan ever!<br />
<br />Very good analysis! <br />Thanks to Kristina4LOVE for watching some of those movies listed in TII.<br />
<br />- Suddenly last Summer<br />- The Big Sleep<br />- The Front Page<br />- Angels with Dirty Faces<br />- Gilda<br />- Friday Girl<br />- Tokyo Joe
<br />It all makes your head swim, the interconnectedness! michael-jackson/
Thank you MjonMind <br />I hope my "theory" is correct and I hope we will be able to find more clues and profs to sustain this, either by our own research and/or through TS' next posts!<br /><br />Regarding that list of movies, enlisted in This is It, at this point in the hoax, time is so precious and we'd better use it for the new investigation (s), so if anyone already saw those movies, pls share your thoughts/findings/hoax-clues! i'd be happy to read that! bounce/
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