MJ Tomb -- Defaced with Hidden Messages

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  • MJ Tomb -- Defaced with Hidden Messages
    7/13/2010 12:15 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

    7/13/2010 12:15 AM
    1, 3, 5, 7, 22, 111
    7 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 5 = 23

    The Number 23
    You might not think 23 is special, but it’s the smallest odd cototient prime, and forms a boundary point for the birthday paradox. It is the number of the Illuminati.

    The 23 Enigma
    All events are connected to the number 23, a belief held by Discordians and myself. According to Wikipedia, 23 is “considered either lucky, unlucky, sacred to the goddess Eris, sinister, sacred to the unholy gods of the Cthulhu Mythos, or strange.”

    23 in Pop Culture
    There have been two movies made about the number 23. In 1998, the movie 23 came out as a German movie about a hacker Karl Koch who committed suicide on May 23, 1989. More recently, The Number 23 starring Jim Carrey was released on February 23, 2007 to overwhelmingly bad reviews. The number also appears as a reference in television and other movies:

    * Star Wars – Princess Leia was held in cell AA23
    * The Matrix – Neo needed 23 people to found Zion
    * Lost – 23 is in the sequence of mystical numbers {4,8,15,16,23,42}

    In sports, Michael Jordan and David Beckham wear the symbol 23 on their jerseys.

    Mathematical properties of 23
    * 23 is a prime number, as well as a factorial, Woodall, Smarandache-Wellin, Eisenstein, Sophie Germain, and Safe prime
    * 23 is the smallest odd prime which is not a twin prime
    * 23 is one of two integers that cannot be expressed as the sum of fewer than 9 cubes of integers
    * Codewords in the perfect binary Golay code are of size 23
    * There 23 Axioms in Euclid’s Geometry.

    23 is Holy
    * The best Psalm is the 23rd Psalm of the 23rd book of the Bible.
    * In 23 years the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad.
    * In Buddhist cosmology there are 23 events irreducible to either mind or matter.
    * Hexagram 23 in I Ching means “breaking apart.”
    * L. Ron Hubbard’s Axiom 23, “All thought is concerned with motion.”
    * December 23, 2012 is the date the Mayans believed the world will end.
    * Jacques de Molay was the 23rd and last of the Knights Templar Grandmasters.

    Science & 23
    It’s no coincidence that human sex cells have 23 chromosomes, or that earth has an Axial tilt of 23.5 degrees. There’s more of 23 to be found in nature, however:

    * 23 is the atomic number for Vanadium
    * Sodium has an atomic mass of ~23
    * Only 23 people allowed in a AOL chatroom
    * The letter W is the 23 letter of this alphabet. The symbol for that letter is 2 points down and 3 points up.
    * September 23 is the Fall Equinox.
    http://elliottback.com/wp/23/

    2 + 3 = 5

    The Number 5
    The sum of the first even and odd numbers (2 + 3) is 5. (To the Pythagoreans 1 was not a number and was not odd.) It therefore symbolizes human life and—in the Platonic and Pythagorean traditions—marriage, as the sum of the female 2 and the male 3. The Pythagoreans discovered the five regular solids (tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, dodecahedron, and icosahedron; now known as the Platonic solids). Early Pythagoreanism acknowledged only four of these, so the discovery of the fifth (the dodecahedron, with 12 pentagonal faces) was something of an embarrassment. Perhaps for this reason 5 was often considered exotic and rebellious.

    The number 5 was associated with the Babylonian goddess Ishtar and her Roman parallel, Venus, and the symbol for both was the five-pointed star, or pentagram. In England a knot tied in the form of the pentagram is called a lover’s knot because of this association with the goddess of love. In Manichaeism 5 has a central position: the first man had five sons; there are five elements of light (ether, wind, water, light, and fire) and a further five of darkness. The body has five parts; there are five virtues and five vices.

    The number 5 was also important to the Maya, who placed a fifth point at the centre of the four points of the compass. The five fingers of the human hand lent a certain mystery to 5, as did the five extremities of the body (two arms, two legs, head). A human placed in a circle with outspread arms and legs approximates the five points of a pentagon, and if each point is joined to its second-nearest neighbour a pentagram results. This geometric figure is central to occultism, and it plays a prominent role in summoning spells whereby it is supposed to trap a demon, or devil, who can then be compelled to do the sorcerer’s bidding. The belief that 5 was sacred led to an extra element, augmenting the traditional four that made a human being. This fifth essence, or quintessence, is the origin of the word quintessential.

    In Islam 5 is a sacred number. Foremost are the five Pillars of Islam: declaration of faith (shahadah), prayer (salat), fasting during Ramadan, giving alms (zakat), and making the pilgrimage to Mecca (the hajj). Prayers are said five times every day. There are five categories of Islamic law and five law-giving prophets (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad).
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1086220/number-symbolism/

    Five: The spiritual meaning of number Five deals with travel, adventure, and motion. With the highs that come with these attributes, Fives also carry instability and unpredictability, and radical changes. The spiritual meaning of Five draws our attention to the wonder of life, and beckons us to appreciate the perception of chaos all around us. Remember, trips aren't all necessarily taken physically. Some of the best journey's are taken in the mind and spirit.
    http://www.whats-your-sign.com/spiritual-meaning-of-numbers.html

    And more here if interested: http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu5.php
  • paula-cpaula-c Posts: 7,221
    Serenitys_Dream, those if they are hidden messages <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
  • DancingTheDreamDancingTheDream Posts: 4,923
    I am afraid this is true. I have been to FL and seen this for myself.

    The writing is on the back wall of the building, by MJs window at the bottom and there is a bush there so people go behind the bush and cant be seen. There are no surveillance cameras there... its a huge place.

    Also.. TMZ got this from a facebook page that was set up against the defacement of Neverland and it came out on there that people were also writing on FL and someone posted those pics on Facebook and TMZ lifted them.

    Here is the FB link: <!-- m -->http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... 017&ref=ts<!-- m -->

    Can i bring this up again? You are ignoring it..
  • GlindaGlinda Posts: 658
    0712_mj_masoleum_4_full.jpg

    Never believe what you "...." hear
    "..." only believe hair? of what you "..." see.

    Hidden message or what ?

    And that is a quote from Micheal Jackson..?

    Micheal.. must be the double with bad sight <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: --> <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
  • DatrootDatroot Posts: 1,314
    I think MJ could probably spell his own name correctly.
  • HazzelyHazzely Posts: 1,443
    @what Serenity posted
    ______________________________-

    Remember the 2003 tapes? Michael was afraid of Malnik...

    I found something else about the Malnik family, Mottola & Michael

    By Bob Norman, Mon., Jun. 29 2009 @ 9:39AM
    malnikblanket2.jpg
    Malnik with 'Blanket' before the rancorous split with Jackson.

    Al Malnik is doing some serious spinning in the world press right now in regard to Michael Jackson.
    He's been quoted in several publications about regarding his "friendship" with Jackson, saying that he's godfather to the pop king's youngest son, Blanket, and that, last Malnik knew, he was executor of his estate. Yesterday, Malnik's wife, Nancy, executed a photo dump on her Facebook page as a tribute to the late star. The photos show Malnik and his family with Jackson in 2003.

    Here's how the Daily Mail characterized Malnik's relationship with Jackson in its story regarding the new photographs:

    In pictures taken from the same party, Jackson and his children are allegedly pictured with the children of close friends Al and Nancy Malnik.The 76-year-old American millionaire has triplets Jarod, Spencer and Nathan, who are now 11. Mr Malnik had been friends with the singer for more than ten years and the singer stayed with him at the height of the child abuse scandals. Jackson is godfather to Spencer, who is understood to be featured in the pictures sitting on the steps of Mr Malnik's Miami mansion with Paris.

    This is laughable. The two men were indeed friends at one time, but there's a reason the photographs date all the way back to 2003. The two men had a falling out after Jackson began to believe that Malnik, who has known Mafia ties and was once a close associate of Meyer Lansky, was trying to wrangle Jackson's rights to half the Beatles catalog of songs from him, rights that are worth an estimated half billion dollars.

    The source of this information is Gordon Novel, a character of intrigue himself from the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and Waco. Novel worked in the Lyndon Johnson administration and spent years working as an investigator for former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth first reported that Novel had met with Jackson in 2005 in an attempt to get the investigator to find proof that Malnik was part of a conspiracy involving Sony's Tommy Mottola and film director Brett Ratner, a Malnik protoge, to take over his assets.

    "According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik's house in Miami Beach by film director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic," Orth wrote. "He said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to put his fingers in the singer's business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola while he was there, which aroused his suspicion..."

    I contacted Novel over the weekend, and he confirmed meeting with Jackson at Neverland Valley during the time of the 2005 trial. He told me that he was originally contacted by Jackson's brother Jermaine and that Michael and the family wanted Novel to gather proof of the Malnik/Mottola conspiracy and further find evidence that Mottola was behind the criminal child molestation charges. The ultimate goal was to blow the trial out of the water so Jackson wouldn't have to face prison time.

    Novel said he flew in March 2005, about a month into Jackson's trial, from his home in New Orleans to the Los Angeles home owned by Jackson's parents, where he stayed several days before Jackson finally had him over to Neverland Valley. He said the two of them met in a bungalow on the property before Jackson drove him around the ranch in an old pickup truck.

    "The whole thing centered on Tommy Mottola setting him up," Novel told me. "Mottola and him were at odds, and Jackson's information was that Mottola and Malnik got together to fuck him. He said he believed Malnik was representing the Mob."

    He said Jackson had special loathing for Malnik because he felt betrayed by him. When I told him that Malnik was saying that Jackson had made him executor of his estate, he was dubious.

    "He had split up with Malnik," said Novel. "He never said anything about Malnik being executor of his will. And based on how pissed off Jackson was at him at the time, I wouldn't believe it on a bet."

    When asked what Jackson was like at the meeting, Novel didn't hesitate: "He was afraid, very very afraid. He didn't want to go to jail and didn't think he would be treated very well there."

    Was he fearful that he would be killed in prison?

    "Yeah, you can say that," Novel said.

    But he also said that Jackson's mental state was "excellent" and that the pop star was lucid and extremely intelligent. He didn't believe Jackson was on any drugs during the meeting.

    I asked Novel if he believed Jackson's theory about the conspiracy against him. He said that he thought Jackson was not guilty of the criminal charges and that he was probably set up, but he had no idea if Mottola was involved.

    "He thought that Mottola was Mob-connected and that Malnik was representing the Mob, but I can't vouch for any of that shit," Novel said. "I don't have anything against Tommy Mottola and don't know if what he thought was true or not. I don't want to get on Mottola's bad side. My sources in New York say he's a dangerous guy."

    Novel never conducted an investigation and said that, in the end, Jackson "deadbeated" him. He said that when he got to the airport to fly home, there was no ticket as promised by Jackson. He said that he contacted Jermaine and that the family paid for his flight. He said Jackson still owes him $25,000 for his consultation at Neverland. (Orth reported in Vanity Fair that Jackson apparently took a lot of Novel's advice, but at that time, Novel claimed Jackson owed him just $5,000.)

    "He was a tremendously talented deadbeat," Novel said. "Michael Jackson would deadbeat King Kong."

    It's clear that whether Malnik had any ulterior motives in befriending Jackson, the pop star ended up believing he was an enemy out to get his Beatles songs. We'll have to wait and see if the world media continues to eat out of Malnik's hand or if it actually reports the truth about the relationship and its bitter end.
  • HazzelyHazzely Posts: 1,443
    Whoa .... wait..
    There's something else..just an observation ..

    Remember Lorene1980 (Lorene Malaika) ? The one who threatened Jermaine and Randy? See thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=46&t=12182<!-- l -->
    Was that mispelled on purpose or that's her real name? What if she's part of the Malnik family?
    See her location on twitter: Glendale

    Now check this out:
    Michael Jackson's tomb in Glendale, California has been vandalized, according to TMZ. The gravesite has been defaced in permanent marker with messages reading "Keep the dream alive" and "Miss you sweet angel." Reps at the cemetery tell TMZ that they are re-evaluating access to the site and that anyone caught damaging the pop star's grave will be banned for life. [TMZ]

    I searched for Lorene Malaika and one site poped up:

    Michael Jackson "keeping the dream alive"
    <!-- m -->http://www.michaeljackson-keepingthedre ... /50406998/<!-- m -->

    ..........Omg

    Her tweet today:
    @MJJNews I am heading to Forest Lawn today. Heard about the de facing of the Terrace wall. I will remove the writings myself.
    about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
  • 0712_mj_masoleum_4_full.jpg

    Never believe what you "...." hear
    "..." only believe hair? of what you "..." see.

    Hidden message or what ?

    And that is a quote from Micheal Jackson..?

    Micheal.. must be the double with bad sight <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: --> <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->

    I think he means believe the clues you see (1/2), but dont believe the family's lack of emotion, and the percpetion they are trynna profit of mj's death. Whatever they do, im sure MJ is aware and is fine with it. (1/2).
  • MJ Tomb -- Defaced with Hidden Messages
    7/13/2010 12:15 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

    TMZ has learned Michael Jackson's tomb has been defaced by a stealth band of vandals -- who have
    marked the walls of MJ's mausoleum with hidden messages ... and it's all in permanent ink.

    0712-mj-masoleum-launch-ex.jpg

    Security at Forest Lawn in Glendale, CA is on the lookout for "fans" who have been writing messages in hard-to-spot places outside the main window of the building in which MJ in entombed.

    The writing is mostly hidden underneath ledges -- or in spots covered by bushes -- and contains
    messages like, "Miss you" and "Keep the dream alive."

    Reps at Forest Lawn are pretty ticked off -- telling TMZ, "Activity such as this, is a prime example why we
    are evaluating the level of access to the various entrances of the Great Mausoleum."

    Forest Lawn also tells us that anyone caught vandalizing the cemetery will be banned for life.

    MJTDHM

    M - Michael
    We all know who he is.

    JT - Jackson Tree
    The Jackson Family Tree, genealogy.

    http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=12085&hilit=chart&start=175#p203752

    DHM - Deutsches Historisches Museum (Museum in Berlin)
    The collections of the German Historical Museum
    Declaration of Independence, 1776
    do93_101kl.jpg

    * Title: The Declaration Independence of the United States of America
    * Date: Juli 4, 1776
    * Origin: Philadelphia
    * Printer: Steiner und Cist
    * Material/Technique: Paper, printed
    * Size: 41 x 33,5 cm

    With the Declaration of Independence in 1776, thirteen of the sixteen British colonies on the American continent declared themselves to be free and independent United States of America. They established the basic rights of a citizen of a free nation as the creed of the American republic.
    http://www.dhm.de/ENGLISH/sammlungen/dokumente1/do93_101.html

    From the collection of the Deutsches Historisches Museum:
    First Printing in German of the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America, July 4, 1776
    The postulate of equality in the Declaration of lndependence referred to the right to equal participation of all citizens - without regard to their location in the mother country or in the colonies. Without the mention of equality as a fundamental assumption, a vital component of American revolutionary thought would have been missing in the Declaration. All citizens had to be equally free. The controversial issue was, who was a constituent member of the republic's citizenry. When Jefferson wrote that "all men are created equal and independent", he owned 175 slaves. Yet, his and his fellow founders' behavior is not to be dismissed as hypocrisy. Jefferson and many of his contemporaries were quite aware of the contradiction between the liberation of European Americans and the continued enslavement of most of the Africans. Public calls for the abolition of slavery never ceased after 1776, the unequal treatment of women also became an issue in 1776, at first in private and without a chance for public debate. Delegate John Adams, even before he left Philadelphia, was admonished by his wife Abigail: " In the new code of laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, l desire you would remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than your ancestors. Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. "
    http://www.dhm.de/magazine/unabhaengig/adams5_e.htm

    TSTRF

    TST -Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade
    The Transatlantic Slave Trade, was the trading, primarily of African people, to the colonies of the New World that occurred in and around the Atlantic Ocean. It lasted from the 16th to the 19th centuries. Most enslaved people were shipped from West Africa and Central Africa and taken to North and South America to labor on sugar, coffee, cocoa and cotton plantations, in gold and silver mines, in rice fields, or in houses to work as servants. The shippers were, in order of scale, the Portuguese (and Brazilians), the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, and the North Americans. Enslaved people were generally obtained through coastal trading with Africans, though some were captured by European slave traders through raids and kidnapping. Most contemporary historians estimate that between 9.4 and 12 million Africans arrived in the New World, although the actual number of people taken from their homestead is considerably higher.

    The slave trade is sometimes called the Maafa by African and African-American scholars, meaning "holocaust" or "great disaster" in Swahili. Some scholars use the terms African Holocaust or Holocaust of Enslavement. Slavery was one element of a three-part economic cycle — the triangular trade and its Middle Passage — which ultimately involved four continents, four centuries and millions of people.
    READ MORE HERE or google it also:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

    RF- Rockefeller Foundation
    Africans In America
    America's journey through slavery is presented in four parts. For each era, you'll find a historical Narrative, a Resource Bank of images, documents, stories, biographies, and commentaries, and a Teacher's Guide for using the content of the Web site and television series in U.S. history courses.
    Additional funding is provided by the Ford Foundation, The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, The Rockefeller Foundation, Stratford Foundation, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and public television viewers.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/home.html

    [youtube:32u8c4y3]

    Full video series here:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8442070104829433135#
  • HazzelyHazzely Posts: 1,443
    Whoa .... wait..
    There's something else..just an observation ..

    Remember Lorene1980 (Lorene Malaika) ? The one who threatened Jermaine and Randy? See thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=46&t=12182<!-- l -->
    Was that mispelled on purpose or that's her real name? What if she's part of the Malnik family?
    See her location on twitter: Glendale

    Now check this out:
    Michael Jackson's tomb in Glendale, California has been vandalized, according to TMZ. The gravesite has been defaced in permanent marker with messages reading "Keep the dream alive" and "Miss you sweet angel." Reps at the cemetery tell TMZ that they are re-evaluating access to the site and that anyone caught damaging the pop star's grave will be banned for life. [TMZ]

    I searched for Lorene Malaika and one site poped up:

    Michael Jackson "keeping the dream alive"
    <!-- m -->http://www.michaeljackson-keepingthedre ... /50406998/<!-- m -->

    ..........Omg

    Her tweet today:
    @MJJNews I am heading to Forest Lawn today. Heard about the de facing of the Terrace wall. I will remove the writings myself.
    about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    Now that I see it..on twitter her website is the one I posted in the previous post.. So that's really her ..
    How fishy is this??

    EDIT:

    On her website in "news" there's:

    Keeping the Dream Alive Track Now Available Online!

    Jazz/soul artist Vince Chapman has written and produced Keeping the Dream Alive, a song inspired by the late Wylie Draper, a talented young man who portrayed the adult Michael Jackson in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" TV mini-series. Follow Vince's creative journey at CMP Studios via his video blogs on our YouTube channel. The Keeping the Dream Alive track is now available for download here.


    ...Goodness Gracious!
  • Great finds Mo, this article has so many layers to it <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    *applauses TMZ* <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->

    I guess this is why TMZ has been quiet lately...it's taken them this long to get this story together. I find these all very interesting too. Thanks for sharing.
  • Whoa .... wait..
    There's something else..just an observation ..

    Remember Lorene1980 (Lorene Malaika) ? The one who threatened Jermaine and Randy? See thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=46&t=12182<!-- l -->
    Was that mispelled on purpose or that's her real name? What if she's part of the Malnik family?
    See her location on twitter: Glendale

    Now check this out:
    Michael Jackson's tomb in Glendale, California has been vandalized, according to TMZ. The gravesite has been defaced in permanent marker with messages reading "Keep the dream alive" and "Miss you sweet angel." Reps at the cemetery tell TMZ that they are re-evaluating access to the site and that anyone caught damaging the pop star's grave will be banned for life. [TMZ]

    I searched for Lorene Malaika and one site poped up:

    Michael Jackson "keeping the dream alive"
    <!-- m -->http://www.michaeljackson-keepingthedre ... /50406998/<!-- m -->

    ..........Omg

    Her tweet today:
    @MJJNews I am heading to Forest Lawn today. Heard about the de facing of the Terrace wall. I will remove the writings myself.
    about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    Now that I see it..on twitter her website is the one I posted in the previous post.. So that's really her ..
    How fishy is this??

    EDIT:

    On her website in "news" there's:

    Keeping the Dream Alive Track Now Available Online!

    Jazz/soul artist Vince Chapman has written and produced Keeping the Dream Alive, a song inspired by the late Wylie Draper, a talented young man who portrayed the adult Michael Jackson in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" TV mini-series. Follow Vince's creative journey at CMP Studios via his video blogs on our YouTube channel. The Keeping the Dream Alive track is now available for download here.


    ...Goodness Gracious!

    Wow! Another coincidence? Ughh...
  • teine21teine21 Posts: 898
    0712_mj_masoleum_4_full.jpg

    Never believe what you "...." hear
    "..." only believe hair? of what you "..." see.

    Hidden message or what ?

    And that is a quote from Micheal Jackson..?

    Yeah, the name is mispelled, weird. But it says "HALF of what you see" not hair, lol. Maybe the family did it while they were there. How did fans even get close enough to "deface" it with hidden messages?
  • SarahliSarahli Posts: 4,265
    I am afraid this is true. I have been to FL and seen this for myself.

    The writing is on the back wall of the building, by MJs window at the bottom and there is a bush there so people go behind the bush and cant be seen. There are no surveillance cameras there... its a huge place.

    Also.. TMZ got this from a facebook page that was set up against the defacement of Neverland and it came out on there that people were also writing on FL and someone posted those pics on Facebook and TMZ lifted them.

    Here is the FB link: <!-- m -->http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... 017&ref=ts<!-- m -->

    Can i bring this up again? You are ignoring it..

    Thanks for the information DancingTheDream. We can now say that the grafitti are really at Forest Lawn. Still we don't know who wrote them and why.

    What do you think about the sentence "Never believe what you hear Only believe half of what you see" and the signature "Micheal Jackson" ? Don't you find it odd to write a sentence which perfectly fits with the hoax atmosphere ?
  • pepperpepper Posts: 558

    When looking at the page info I noticed the following file name of the picture TMZ used for this article:


    masoleum.jpg

    The word 'mausoleum' is misspelled -> masoleum.

    Talking about "hidden messages"? I think we got one here! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    This reminds me of the misspelling in the Burial/Funeral Program from September 3, 2009...

    Here's the pdf file - if you look on page 3 -

    <!-- m -->http://www.etonline.com/documents/mjack ... 090409.pdf<!-- m -->

    They use the word "Internment" when the word you would think they meant to use (in a funeral program) would be "Interment". <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    Yes, it is only one letter difference in spelling (like "masoleum" and "mausoleum") but a big difference in the meaning...

    Internment (noun)

    1. The act of interning or confining, especially in wartime.
    2. The state of being interned; confinement.


    <!-- m -->http://www.yourdictionary.com/internment<!-- m -->

    Interment (noun)

    1.The act of interring; burial.
    2.The act or ritual of interring or burying.


    <!-- m -->http://www.yourdictionary.com/interment<!-- m -->

    Another hidden message?

    (I think at one time there was a post about this, but I couldn't find it.)
  • So true...

    When I focus on Michael's message "never believe what you hear only believe half what you see" I'd think that these "hidden messages" aren't for real. I mean, who says fans really wrote down these messages? The news source is TMZ.... <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    and Mo "masoleum" is a great search <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->

    L.O.V.E.

    "Just because you read it in a magazine
    Or see it on the TV screen
    Don't make it factual" from Tabloid junkie
  • trublutrublu Posts: 1,011
    Man a lot to take in.. either someone is messing with us or something is going down. I for one hope it's the latter. Peace
  • LoesLoes Posts: 612
    Good findings!

    The handwriting on the wall really reminds me of Michael's writing:

    27yjcn.jpg

    If you google masoleum on Google images you get a lot of results, so I think it can maybe be written both ways?

    2ebaamu.jpg
  • KirscheKirsche Posts: 2,082

    When looking at the page info I noticed the following file name of the picture TMZ used for this article:


    masoleum.jpg

    The word 'mausoleum' is misspelled -> masoleum.


    <!-- m -->http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Masoleum<!-- m -->
    1. Masoleum
    Masoleum comes from the fantasy game Might and magic.
    It means the home of liches.
    Powerful magicians

    2. Masoleum
    Masoleum came from the fantasy
    Pc game of Might and Magic.

    Masoleum is the home for Vampires !
    There lives the vampires !
    It's a Masoleum !

    Liches: In modern fantasy fiction, a lich (sometimes spelled liche, cognate to German Leiche "corpse") is a type of undead creature. Often such a creature is the result of a transformation, as a powerful magician or king striving for eternal life uses spells or rituals to bind his intellect to his animated corpse and thereby achieve a form of immortality. Liches are depicted as being clearly cadaverous, their bodies desiccated or even completely skeletal. Liches are often depicted as holding power over hordes of lesser undead creatures, using them as their soldiers and servants, and thus are a threat both individually and as leaders of belligerent forces.
    A lich should not be confused with a zombie. While both are reanimated corpses, the difference lies in their intellect. Whereas a zombie is incapable of distinguishing friend from foe (only living from undead), a lich is usually as intelligent as a regular human - if not more so.
    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lich<!-- m -->



    <!-- m -->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_and_Magic<!-- m -->
    Might and Magic (MM) is a series of computer role-playing games from New World Computing, which in 1996 became a subsidiary of The 3DO Company. The producer of the series was Jon Van Caneghem.
    Might and Magic is considered one of the defining examples of early computer role-playing games, along with the Bard's Tale, Ultima and Wizardry series.[1]
    The original Might and Magic series officially ended with the closure of the 3DO Company. The rights to the Might and Magic name were purchased for USD 1.3 million by Ubisoft,[2] who "rebooted" the franchise with a new series with no apparent connection to the previous continuity, starting with the games Heroes of Might and Magic V and Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
    Gameplay
    The majority of the gameplay takes place in a medieval fantasy setting. The player controls a party of player characters, which can consist of members of various character classes. The game world is presented to the player in first person perspective. In the earlier games the interface is very similar to that of Bard's Tale, but from Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven onward, the interface features a scrolling three-dimensional environment similar to that of Doom. Combat is turn-based, though the later games allowed the player to choose to conduct combat in real time.
    The game worlds in all of the Might and Magic games are quite large, and a player can expect each game to provide several dozen hours of gameplay. It is usually quite combat-intensive and often involves large groups of enemy creatures. Monsters and situations encountered throughout the series tend to be well-known fantasy staples such as giant rats, werewolf curses, dragon flights and zombie hordes, rather than original creations. Isles of Terra and the Xeen games featured a more distinct environment, blending fantasy and science fiction elements in a unique way.
    Plot
    Although most of the gameplay reflects a distinctly fantasy genre, the overarching plot of the series has something of a science fiction background. The series is set in a fictional galaxy sector of a galaxy, where planets are overseen by a powerful race of space-travelers known as Ancients. In each of the games, a party of characters fights monsters and completes quests on one of these planets, until they eventually become involved in the affairs of the Ancients.
    The first five games in the series concern the renegade guardian of the planet Terra, named Sheltem, who becomes irrevocably corrupted, developing a penchant for throwing planets into their suns. Sheltem establishes himself on a series of flat worlds known as nacelles (which are implied to be giant spaceships) and Corak, a second guardian and creation of the Ancients, with the assistance of the player characters, pursues him across the Void. Eventually both Corak and Sheltem are destroyed in a climactic battle on the nacelle of Xeen.
    The sixth, seventh and eighth games take place on Enroth, a single planet partially ruled by the Ironfist dynasty, and chronicle the events and aftermath of an invasion by the Kreegan, the demonlike arch-enemies of the Ancients. It is also revealed that the destruction wrought by the Ancients' wars with the Kreegan is the reason why the worlds of Might & Magic exist as medieval fantasy settings despite once being seeded with futuristic technology - the worlds have been 'cut off' from the Ancients and descended into barbarism. The first through third games in the Heroes of Might and Magic series traces the fortunes of the Ironfists in more detail, though none of the sci-fi elements appear in the Heroes series.


    Talking about "hidden messages"? I think we got one here! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->


    <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> whoa! You're the greatest! I had the same thought with the headline and the "hidden messages" but I thought we should just look for hidden messages - but not in the filename of the pictures <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
  • tell
    Never believe what you "...." hear
    "..." only believe hair? of what you "..." see.

    Hidden message or what ?

    And that is a quote from Micheal Jackson..?

    and the original quote is : ''Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear.'' and it's from Mark Twain

    why TMZ say HIDDEN MESSAGES? why the typo on the message? if you do this things you know for sure what you want to write and this person have the time to correct the sentence? <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> why quote Mark Twain? why not Michael Jackson? like never believe anything you hear.... you know...

    I also wondered about the typos really seems to be made on purpose... I thought we had to "fill the blanks" but even would the message be more "revealing" ?

    Let's try:

    Never believe what you can hear
    Only believe half of what you can see

    Hmm quite the same meaning. If we put "will" it can be a reference to the hoax but for forthcoming events ? A warning ?

    Maybe it's just a reminder to not take things at face value.

    Looks like Michael's handwriting no ? Capital letters everywhere <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->

    if it is really a prominent saying, it doesn't make sense that the writer corrected the words, least of all twice. I tend to say it was done on purpose to let the writing appear more spontaneous.
    There is no hidden message, anyone smart enough to encrypt a hidden message would be smart enough not to deface property...this is PURE ignorance and the person who did it wasn't thinking of anyone but themselves...I'm ashamed! Michael isn't the only one buried there and the building isn't his... Now the world gets to label MJ's fans as ignorant and they have proven that fans can not be trusted near Forest Lawn...WHAT IDIOTS...Thanks for representing you ignorant fool! I hope it wasn't anyone on here!


    Dont get so "angry" at the messenger, we dont really know that this was damage, it could just be wipe off like the lipstick on Clark Gables momument. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> It could be photoshopped and placed there! We dont know, we only see a photographic representation conveying information.

    We should not judge people when we do not know the whole story. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> Or even the people involved.

    Love and Peace to all
    tell that to all the people who think MJ fans are crazy anyway...It's not the point if it's washable or not...fact is, it shouldn't have been done.

  • I can't help it, but the words "will be banned for life" crack me up every time I read them! How suitable... <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

    exactly - i remember in high school i was writing on a piece of paper that was in a notebook - well the local cop drove by the school and saw me so he stopped and was going to charge me for defacing property bc he thought i was writing directly on the sidewalk. we are talking about a rinky dink town where there were 34 students in my graduation class so if a local cop in a small town was going to charge me a fine for defacing school property don't you think a highly secured cemetary would do more than just ban someone for defacing their porperty! Shamone........
  • simalvessimalves Posts: 730
    Whoa .... wait..
    There's something else..just an observation ..

    Remember Lorene1980 (Lorene Malaika) ? The one who threatened Jermaine and Randy? See thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=46&t=12182<!-- l -->
    Was that mispelled on purpose or that's her real name? What if she's part of the Malnik family?
    See her location on twitter: Glendale

    Now check this out:
    Michael Jackson's tomb in Glendale, California has been vandalized, according to TMZ. The gravesite has been defaced in permanent marker with messages reading "Keep the dream alive" and "Miss you sweet angel." Reps at the cemetery tell TMZ that they are re-evaluating access to the site and that anyone caught damaging the pop star's grave will be banned for life. [TMZ]

    I searched for Lorene Malaika and one site poped up:

    Michael Jackson "keeping the dream alive"
    <!-- m -->http://www.michaeljackson-keepingthedre ... /50406998/<!-- m -->

    ..........Omg

    Her tweet today:
    @MJJNews I am heading to Forest Lawn today. Heard about the de facing of the Terrace wall. I will remove the writings myself.
    about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    Now that I see it..on twitter her website is the one I posted in the previous post.. So that's really her ..
    How fishy is this??

    EDIT:

    On her website in "news" there's:

    Keeping the Dream Alive Track Now Available Online!

    Jazz/soul artist Vince Chapman has written and produced Keeping the Dream Alive, a song inspired by the late Wylie Draper, a talented young man who portrayed the adult Michael Jackson in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" TV mini-series. Follow Vince's creative journey at CMP Studios via his video blogs on our YouTube channel. The Keeping the Dream Alive track is now available for download here.


    ...Goodness Gracious!

    Hazzley great find.

    Have you listened to the track??? And the words???

    And Wylie inspired him? Does that mean that Wylie died 25 Jun 2009?????
  • HazzelyHazzely Posts: 1,443
    Whoa .... wait..
    There's something else..just an observation ..

    Remember Lorene1980 (Lorene Malaika) ? The one who threatened Jermaine and Randy? See thread: <!-- l -->viewtopic.php?f=46&t=12182<!-- l -->
    Was that mispelled on purpose or that's her real name? What if she's part of the Malnik family?
    See her location on twitter: Glendale

    Now check this out:
    Michael Jackson's tomb in Glendale, California has been vandalized, according to TMZ. The gravesite has been defaced in permanent marker with messages reading "Keep the dream alive" and "Miss you sweet angel." Reps at the cemetery tell TMZ that they are re-evaluating access to the site and that anyone caught damaging the pop star's grave will be banned for life. [TMZ]

    I searched for Lorene Malaika and one site poped up:

    Michael Jackson "keeping the dream alive"
    <!-- m -->http://www.michaeljackson-keepingthedre ... /50406998/<!-- m -->

    ..........Omg

    Her tweet today:
    @MJJNews I am heading to Forest Lawn today. Heard about the de facing of the Terrace wall. I will remove the writings myself.
    about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    Now that I see it..on twitter her website is the one I posted in the previous post.. So that's really her ..
    How fishy is this??

    EDIT:

    On her website in "news" there's:

    Keeping the Dream Alive Track Now Available Online!

    Jazz/soul artist Vince Chapman has written and produced Keeping the Dream Alive, a song inspired by the late Wylie Draper, a talented young man who portrayed the adult Michael Jackson in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" TV mini-series. Follow Vince's creative journey at CMP Studios via his video blogs on our YouTube channel. The Keeping the Dream Alive track is now available for download here.


    ...Goodness Gracious!

    Hazzley great find.

    Have you listened to the track??? And the words???

    And Wylie inspired him? Does that mean that Wylie died 25 Jun 2009?????

    Here's a preview: <!-- m -->http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/VinceChapman1<!-- m -->

    Wylie Draper died in '93
  • I'm sorry but if the masoleum was being protected by security there is no way a fan would be able to do that. That tells me that there is not around the clock security if a fan was able to do this. That's why I believe MJ is not there and alive. Funny the handwriting looks a little familiar. <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> Could have been an inside job by someone in MJ's camp. Who knows? The fact that the messages are written in hidden places. Notice it said something about people may be banned from there because of this. There's a reason for this happening I believe.


    I went there on the 4th of July with a friend. I have pictures. There were not that many people there just a few and just a few flowers left. There was a security guard there standing by the door. I asked if they let people go up to the door and look inside but he said no. I then asked if he had to stay there all day long and he stated that there was a guard there all the time. I did notice that in the office of the other building where I asked how to get there that they did have a security camera running and flashing pictures of the inside of the buildings all the time. Not sure if this helps or not.
    I went there not because I believed that he was there but because I was curious as to what and who might be there.
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
    ~~Keep the dream alive ~~ RJJ <--- What's Randy's middle name? Randy J Jackson or what? LOL <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
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