I just want to help Michael out any way I can. I really can relate to him.
That is what the guy from the magazine said at the end of his email. To me what he is saying is after he has already read the forum he wants to help MICHAEL in any way. Just like we do, right?
This next part might not come across to friendly but I am feeling an urge to express a few thoughts. First I am amazed to see such flip flop of loyalty. I am amazed at how quickly some people are to stab someone in the back after over a year of investigating together. Actually I am not surprised after all because it happened to me as well. I was stabbed real hard in the back.
What I am amazed at is WTF happened to keeping the FAITH no matter what?
How did Souza become #1 public enemy? How did TS go from being on the good side to now again on the bad side. This baffles me because the people who are flip flopping were the same ones who were SO SURE before about TS, who he really is, and whom he speaks for.
I am NOT referring to Mo. As for her I feel as though she ended up having a feeling of something like buyers remorse. She has every right to leave the forum and distant herself.
What I am trippin on is longtime members expressing so much anger and blaming Souza for all the bad shit that happened on the forum. Members who are distanting themselves as far away as possible from the board (yet still come here to post negative remarks).
I am trippin on the members who are worried about theories being published in a magazine in a section about conspiracies and THEORIES like NWO, Illuminati, corrupt shit happening in our governments, God, and whatever else.
I am trippin on the fact that some members forget that this forum is open to public eyes right now. All our thoughts, words, and theories are here for the world to see; if the world thinks we are crazy then they do so now. The world is crazy itself.
Putting articles in a magazine will not start the world to think we are nuts. What trips me out is how many of you who are quick to step backwards and say I am not down for this project. I am not supporting you Souza. When times get tough only those who meant what they said from the get go will be left standing strong right by Michael's side and Souza's. Soldiers do not step backwards and get fearful they step up to the plate and do whatever it takes.
The hypocrisy is getting to me and I said from the beginning of this post I wasn't gonna be nice so if your offended by my opinion sorry I warned ya.
Peace
[youtube:1sue0gnc] Whatever Happens Don't let go of his hand!
I would be interested to know your findings in that. Can we refuse to have our posts included? Can we have them deleted upon request? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
I would be interested to know your findings in that. Can we refuse to have our posts included? Can we have them deleted upon request? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
It appears that having your posts removed from a forum falls into a "grey" area within the legal realm. You retain copyright of all of your posts but the site has implied use of them on this site only. Anything posted here can not be used without your permission as part of any article being proposed to be published in this magazine. If Souza, follows through with this plan and includes material posted by others, without their written consent, she opens herself and the site up to lawsuits. There must be some deep consideration given to what is being proposed here, when we are not all agreeing to proceed with this.
I would be interested to know your findings in that. Can we refuse to have our posts included? Can we have them deleted upon request? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
It appears that having your posts removed from a forum falls into a "grey" area within the legal realm. You retain copyright of all of your posts but the site has implied use of them on this site only. Anything posted here can not be used without your permission as part of any article being proposed to be published in this magazine. If Souza, follows through with this plan and includes material posted by others, without their written consent, she opens herself and the site up to lawsuits. There must be some deep consideration given to what is being proposed here, when we are not all agreeing to proceed with this.
Sorry SD, but do you have problems reading, or are you simply ignoring my replies?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Is it me or are we only discussing credits now? Is this a competition? Did I miss something?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I would be interested to know your findings in that. Can we refuse to have our posts included? Can we have them deleted upon request? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
It appears that having your posts removed from a forum falls into a "grey" area within the legal realm. You retain copyright of all of your posts but the site has implied use of them on this site only. Anything posted here can not be used without your permission as part of any article being proposed to be published in this magazine. If Souza, follows through with this plan and includes material posted by others, without their written consent, she opens herself and the site up to lawsuits. There must be some deep consideration given to what is being proposed here, when we are not all agreeing to proceed with this.
Sorry SD, but do you have problems reading, or are you simply ignoring my replies?
I haven't missed a thing Souza and I have absolutely no problems reading at all.
Is it me or are we only discussing credits now? Is this a competition? Did I miss something?
No, we aren't talking credit or competition. We are talking about including information provided by individuals who do not support this, do not want to have their reserach included in this, being included when one has expressed definitively that they do not want nor agree with proceeding with this, the possible consequences of such actions and what in my opinion has come down to an abuse of perceived power ..."I am going to do this, on behalf of the hoax community and Michael, whether I have yours or Michael's blessing or not."
Do you have a problem reading and comprehending this?
I would be interested to know your findings in that. Can we refuse to have our posts included? Can we have them deleted upon request? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
It appears that having your posts removed from a forum falls into a "grey" area within the legal realm. You retain copyright of all of your posts but the site has implied use of them on this site only. Anything posted here can not be used without your permission as part of any article being proposed to be published in this magazine. If Souza, follows through with this plan and includes material posted by others, without their written consent, she opens herself and the site up to lawsuits. There must be some deep consideration given to what is being proposed here, when we are not all agreeing to proceed with this.
Sorry SD, but do you have problems reading, or are you simply ignoring my replies?
I haven't missed a thing Souza and I have absolutely no problems reading at all.
Is it me or are we only discussing credits now? Is this a competition? Did I miss something?
No, we aren't talking credit or competition. We are talking about including information provided by individuals who do not support this, do not want to have their reserach included in this, being included when one has expressed definitively that they do not want nor agree with proceeding with this, the possible consequences of such actions and what in my opinion has come down to an abuse of perceived power ..."I am going to do this, on behalf of the hoax community and Michael, whether I have yours or Michael's blessing or not."
Do you have a problem reading and comprehending this?
Sorry to burst your buble SD, but I don't even read your posts. Besides that, I have stated a few posts earlier what my idea was and that did not include copying anyones post. I have absolutely no problem reading, you clearly have. If you don't like it here, just leave and take your judgemental assumptions with you.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I'm just glad to hear that our "names" won't be used in the articles with the comments, as I don't care to be tracked down by my "name"...<!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> we're on here speaking freely because we have "trust" here...
Again, I'd feel out the family. They are number one and the link to Michael.
I know it's been said they could've shut down the site, but, a magazine is different. People come to us wanting kinship. The magazine introduces our thoughts upon those who didn't have them.
Maybe a good thing, granted. But, generally, those who agree are with us. Those who aren't ridicule.
I don't care who gets credit. This conception WAS Souza's. She's had the time and expense. But, my only thoughts are Michael. (and that us becoming his crazy FANily to the world only further hurts him)
I also think that a lot of us don't agree with the WHY"S of the hoax. I think that readers should draw their own conclusions. Given our theories, it should also be noted that MOST of us don't go along with quite a lot of the theories. Let the reader then decide which ones to believe.
Tread carefully while dealing with the enemy. (media) Michael learned the hard way.
Yes, I definitely feel used, just as I did when Pearl Jr. transcribed 2 of my videos into her emoviebook without ever asking me or informing me she was doing so. I do feel that some of the things, I have investigated are important and need to be considered by as many people as possible and these forums are the only way to spread that information. No matter what, MJHDI does have the most membership and highest exposure and this is what leaves me in a bind because the administrator of MJHDI has her own agenda, as you stated, and the rest of us be damned (including Michael).
It clearly shows that your only concern is yourself. You are not even reading or trying to participate in the discussion like the others. The only things you are concerned about are your own posts, yet you say you want to share them with as many people as possible. Since I asked people to participate, you could also just have offered to write a piece yourself, but you chose to attack me instead and are now gossiping behind my back on .net and copying all my posts on there. Did I give permission for that? No. Do I care? No again. But I do not appreciate members acting like that, I put to much time and work into this board to be stabbed in the back like that by the members. Practice what you preach SD and stop attacking something that doesn't even exist yet.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I just want to help Michael out any way I can. I really can relate to him.
That is what the guy from the magazine said at the end of his email. To me what he is saying is after he has already read the forum he wants to help MICHAEL in any way. Just like we do, right?
This next part might not come across to friendly but I am feeling an urge to express a few thoughts. First I am amazed to see such flip flop of loyalty. I am amazed at how quickly some people are to stab someone in the back after over a year of investigating together. Actually I am not surprised after all because it happened to me as well. I was stabbed real hard in the back.
What I am amazed at is WTF happened to keeping the FAITH no matter what?
How did Souza become #1 public enemy? How did TS go from being on the good side to now again on the bad side. This baffles me because the people who are flip flopping were the same ones who were SO SURE before about TS, who he really is, and whom he speaks for.
I am NOT referring to Mo. As for her I feel as though she ended up having a feeling of something like buyers remorse. She has every right to leave the forum and distant herself.
What I am trippin on is longtime members expressing so much anger and blaming Souza for all the bad shit that happened on the forum. Members who are distanting themselves as far away as possible from the board (yet still come here to post negative remarks).
I am trippin on the members who are worried about theories being published in a magazine in a section about conspiracies and THEORIES like NWO, Illuminati, corrupt shit happening in our governments, God, and whatever else.
I am trippin on the fact that some members forget that this forum is open to public eyes right now. All our thoughts, words, and theories are here for the world to see; if the world thinks we are crazy then they do so now. The world is crazy itself.
Putting articles in a magazine will not start the world to think we are nuts. What trips me out is how many of you who are quick to step backwards and say I am not down for this project. I am not supporting you Souza. When times get tough only those who meant what they said from the get go will be left standing strong right by Michael's side and Souza's. Soldiers do not step backwards and get fearful they step up to the plate and do whatever it takes.
The hypocrisy is getting to me and I said from the beginning of this post I wasn't gonna be nice so if your offended by my opinion sorry I warned ya.
Peace
[youtube:3kvc6r96] Whatever Happens Don't let go of his hand!
It is not that people do not support Souza, they are worried about Michael. It is not Souza who is hiding, and fear for her life, it is Michael. We are all concerned about Michael. I for one, am hesitant, and I did quote, as long as Souza did researches than I am fine. If it is a respectable magazine then go for it. If it is a tabloid than be careful. We all love Michael and we do not want any harm towards him. I do not know Souza, but I am convinced she is a bright woman who will not jeapordize Michael and us. Blessing everyone.
I have faith in Souza that she will do a great job...i give her my support ! The bad thing is that no other 'fan' made a statement ...made an article so that it can reach people's minds and thoughts about all of this! I wish she (Souza) would speak about Illuminati too! people should know about that :because Illuminati takes away our children and puts them against us!..about Michael's trials! WHO is willing to try to clear his name!? the 'stalkers' ? NO they disappear into the night and make parties in the name of Michael ....(well some of them). BUT they don't SHOUT to the media to take off the dirt on his name! not now and not even when he was alive!
SOUZA i really appreciate you, and i wish i could get into this project but i don't normally talk and don't know how to express myself in certain situations! God bless you : do what you have to do,you have a smart point of view on how things should be done!
Yes, I definitely feel used, just as I did when Pearl Jr. transcribed 2 of my videos into her emoviebook without ever asking me or informing me she was doing so. I do feel that some of the things, I have investigated are important and need to be considered by as many people as possible and these forums are the only way to spread that information. No matter what, MJHDI does have the most membership and highest exposure and this is what leaves me in a bind because the administrator of MJHDI has her own agenda, as you stated, and the rest of us be damned (including Michael).
It clearly shows that your only concern is yourself. You are not even reading or trying to participate in the discussion like the others. The only things you are concerned about are your own posts, yet you say you want to share them with as many people as possible. Since I asked people to participate, you could also just have offered to write a piece yourself, but you chose to attack me instead and are now gossiping behind my back on .net and copying all my posts on there. Did I give permission for that? No. Do I care? No again. But I do not appreciate members acting like that, I put to much time and work into this board to be stabbed in the back like that by the members. Practice what you preach SD and stop attacking something that doesn't even exist yet.
I am not gossiping, they are members of the hoax community and have a right to know what you are planning on doing; this affects all believers and the re-posting these posts are facts not gossip. What I am concerned about is Michael, the hoax, the community and the general public's perception. I suggested that you discuss this with other forum's administration and members before deciding for us all, what should be done. You are not our spokesperson; you speak only for yourself and have no right to nominate yourself to this position. I have read every single post in this thread and I do not agree with you or what you are proposing to do. You do not have the blessings of all of us, in publishing these proposed magazine articles, on our behalf nor Michael's. You are an administrator of one forum, out of many. Somewhere along this adventure, you seem to have started to believe that you are now some kind of expert on Michael, the hoax, what he wants us to do or not do, and again our spokesperson and are dictating to us. None of these are true. Give your head a shake and set your feet back on the ground, all the attention seems to have inflated your image of yourself or something.
Thank you Michael for the advice. It is so very true. I agree with believe in yourself no matter what. I agree with more than that but most of all I feel that every single person who is commenting or reading this thread can take a learning lesson from this advice Michael gave to us.
I still think that if the money issue is totally open and honest and trackable... and that we, the forum members, can clearly see that the money paid from the magazine is going directly to a charity in Michaels name....
well... any money that benefits a charity is a wonderful thing. If we can channel money towards those in need... thats what it is all about.
And as far as i am aware.. none of the profits Pearl made were ever given to charity.
I still think that if the money issue is totally open and honest and trackable... and that we, the forum members, can clearly see that the money paid from the magazine is going directly to a charity in Michaels name....
well... any money that benefits a charity is a wonderful thing. If we can channel money towards those in need... thats what it is all about.
And as far as i am aware.. none of the profits Pearl made were ever given to charity.
I have to say I am worried as to how it would effect Michael his family and most importantly his children I always felt this was a place to talk over thoughts and worries ideas I know people can see . I worry that this magazine see it as a way to attract buyers but they don't care about Michael . I never thought peoples theories would be printed plus it will stop a lot of people posting in the future I just care about Michael and his children and how it might affect them sorry
I still think that if the money issue is totally open and honest and trackable... and that we, the forum members, can clearly see that the money paid from the magazine is going directly to a charity in Michaels name....
well... any money that benefits a charity is a wonderful thing. If we can channel money towards those in need... thats what it is all about.
And as far as i am aware.. none of the profits Pearl made were ever given to charity.
i really don't think it is about the money.
Oh, its always about the money where Michael Jackson is concerned. x
The money situation has the potential to totally blow up in our faces. I do not wish to participate in anything that makes a profit in Michaels name. If it all goes to charity. And if that money is openly trackable to the last penny... if it all goes to a good cause, then that is different.
I still think that if the money issue is totally open and honest and trackable... and that we, the forum members, can clearly see that the money paid from the magazine is going directly to a charity in Michaels name....
well... any money that benefits a charity is a wonderful thing. If we can channel money towards those in need... thats what it is all about.
And as far as i am aware.. none of the profits Pearl made were ever given to charity.
i really don't think it is about the money.
Oh, its always about the money where Michael Jackson is concerned. x
The money situation has the potential to totally blow up in our faces. I do not wish to participate in anything that makes a profit in Michaels name. If it all goes to charity. And if that money is openly trackable to the last penny... if it all goes to a good cause, then that is different.
ok can we just say that it is probably not the main issue for most of us here on this particular issue? anybody else want to jump in here?
@Souza. My only input is to be certain that you check these people out in order to gain a thorough understanding of their agenda.
@All. I don't understand why some are against Souza discussing the hoax within Wonderwall Magazine. We are not an exclusive club that requires special guidelines for inclusion on the forum. We are simply a group of people who believe that MJ is alive. Anyone who is recommended by a current member or who stumbles upon the forum on their own may join. We have already been revealed and exposed ...for better or worse. Consider the number of members who join and NEVER post. They read our threads and form opinions already...in silence. Plus few... if any of us.... have revealed our true identities and actual locations. Our privacy is quite safe. Plus...for all we know there may be people out there (Wonderwall readers) who share our views regarding the hoax. However they may not have an outlet where they can share their opinions or clues. Fresh eyes and input on clues that may have been overlooked should be welcomed. So I respectfully ask.... why is there such fear in allowing our posts to be shared in any discussions with the magazine?
For whoever is interested, here is the draft for the first article. As you can see in the last part, I would like someone to volunteer to write the next piece. If anyone sees anything in this piece that violates someones copyright, makes us look like nuts or disrespects Michael, let me know.
[center:4ra7e2jq]"You and I were never separate. It's just an illusion wrought by the magical lens of perception."
~Michael Jackson~[/center:4ra7e2jq]
The world stood still on June 25, 2009. Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, had passed away at the age of 50. Never in my life had I witnessed such an outburst of grief. By dying, Michael Jackson had achieved what no one else had achieved up until then; he had united the world. In every city of the world, people from all races and religions joined hands and cried together as one. As much as I knew how loved Michael Jackson was and still is, I was amazed. At that moment I realized how big of an influence he was worldwide. Little did I realize back then, how big of an influence he would become to me and my perception of life.
I remember visiting my parents when the news broke. CNN told us Michael had suffered from cardiac arrest and was taken to the hospital. According to them he was in a coma and it didn't look good. First thing that popped my head was: what if this is a publicity stunt? The London shows were about to start and after all we were dealing with Michael Jackson. Even though I never considered myself a fan, he seemed to me like someone who would be capable of doing something like that, something that hadn't been done yet. A few moments later my father, who had been following the news on the internet, came down and said he had died. He what? I checked my TV screen to see what I had missed, but nothing. According to CNN he was still in a coma. I asked him where he got that information, and he told me there was a tabloid called TMZ.com who had just published an article that stated that Michael had passed away. Although I didn't think that was strange at first, it did become stranger when it took CNN almost an hour to confirm this. Looking back now my feeling was right, since TMZ had posted the article about his passing 6 minutes before the doctors at UCLA even pronounced him dead.
As days went by and the odd feeling just didn't want to leave my system, I decided to take a seat behind my computer and I googled "Michael Jackson is not dead" and to my surprise I found a forum up and running since June 25th that had already around 300 members who clearly had the same strange feeling that I had. There were a lot of topics I didn't understand back then. I didn't know much about Michael Jackson and I had to study his life more before I could even join the conversations, that much I understood. The first time my head spinned was when someone posted a video of the helicopter flight to the coroner with allegedly Michael's body in it. The topic starter said that the body moved and I spent the rest of the afternoon watching that video to determine if my eyes were playing tricks on me but after watching it a hundred times, I was sure I saw it moving too.
If that would have been the only oddity I had seen post June 25, I would probably not be sitting here, writing this piece but from that moment on it was like being on a rollercoaster. More and more strange stories about Michael hit the news and more and more contradictions were found and posted on the forum, even up until this day. For those who took the effort to take a peak behind the screen it became more and more obvious that Michael Jackson's death was indeed a hoax, but why would he do this? Publicity? Money? Or is there more that needs to be taken into consideration?
I don't think I have to remind anyone about the accusations made against Michael. Back in 1993 the civil case, started by Evan Chandler, the father of the boy Michael allegedly inappropriately touched, was settled out of court. Even though it was not Michael himself who settled, but his insurance company, even though Evan Chandler was taped during a phone converstaion that proved that it was extortion, and even though Michael was never charged with anything dispite the millions of tax dollars spent on a criminal investigation, his image was ruined. The media jumped on the bandwagon and Michael has been labeled as a freak who touches little boys ever since. When Michael was on trial in 2005, 2,200 journalists from all over the world followed his every step. They had condemned him already before the trial even started, and they continued their biased reporting throughout the trial. When Michael was acquitted of all charges on June 13, 2005, they went silent. They took off with their tails between their legs and no one even bothered to pay attention to his innocence, with the effect that even though Michael was found not guilty of any wrong doing, the world still thought he was guilty and got away with it. Had they have been good journalists, they would have reported what happened inside the courtroom. Had they done that, the world would have known he has always been innocent, but now only those who will read an unbiased and factual report of the events, like "Michael Jackson Conspiracy" by Aphrodite Jones, will know for sure.
The above is just an example of what kind of influence the media has, and how they can manipulate the minds of the public. For decades Michael has been portrayed by the media as a freak, a child molester and drug addict. And if they do that to him, who says they wouldn't do that to other celebrities? Or events for that matter, like when CNN fabricated the news during the Gulf War?Just type in "CNN fake news Gulf War" to see what I am talking about.
By staging his death and controlling the media like this, Michael will be able to show the world that you shouldn't believe anything that is presented to you in the media. For decades the media controlled Michael and his image, it seems he has taken over and is pulling the strings from behind the curtain. As he said in an interview with Geraldo back in 2005 when Geraldo asked him about the big plan, what he wanted to do: "There are a lot of surprises. Film, I love film. [...] Well, it's not just so much film, but it's innovating it and pioneering it. Taking the medium to a new place. "
Ever since June 25, 2009, it seems like we have been in a reality film to an extend that is hard to comprehend. Shakespeare once said: "All the world's a stage". I think Michael took that literally and uses his influence to teach the media a lesson and make us aware of the problems in this world. He stood for something very important that has been buried underneath the tabloid trash: LOVE. Love for mother earth, love for humanity, love for animals, love for everything that exists. The kind of love that was forced to take a backseat and seem to have been replaced by lust, greed, hunger for money and power and dishonesty.
Our forum is one out of many forums where people share their ideas, their theories and the extremely odd and inconsistent information that has been presented in the media. Not just by the tabloids, but by the so called 'trustworthy' media as well. Even though none of us know exactly what happened and we do not agree with each other on every aspect of the hoax, we all have the same goal in mind, which is finding out the truth, clearing his name and supporting him in whatever he is planning to do. We appreciate it that Wonderwall Magazine is willing to give us a platform outside of the forum where we can share our thoughts and research about the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.
Before dismissing any of the above, please take the following into consideration:
According to the death certificate Michael Joseph Jackson passed away. According to the 2003-2005 court papers his legal name is Michael Joe Jackson. On one's death certificate the legal name must be stated.
No doctor ever made a statement on his death, the one making the statement on June 25 was Michael's brother Jermaine.
Michael hired lots of actors before his death, none of them is allowed to speak to this day, because every one of them had to sign a confidentiality agreement.
At the memorial, Jermaine performed 'Smile' and mixed up some words, without even blinking. Instead of "light up your face with gladness, hide every trace of sadness" he sang "light up your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness".
Even though Michael won more Grammys in his life than anyone, they failed to mention him in the "In Memoriam" list ... twice!
TMZ reported on his death 6 minutes before he was even declared dead.
The autopsy report is full of inconsistencies and misses some important features of Michael. Besides that an autopsy report shouldn't even be released to the public while there is a criminal investigation going on.
I could go on and on, but I will stop right here and let you think about the idea. Much more information is collected on the forum, from just clues and theories to actual facts and errors that were published about his death. This article has the sole purpose to let you open up your mind about the idea and start questioning the strange circumstances surrounding the alleged death of Michael Jackson.
In the upcoming issues we will explain more in detail why we believe Michael is still alive. I would like to pass the pen to [username] who will bring more light to the oddities surrounding [subject]. Until then, you are most welcome to visit the website and join us in the discussions. And remember: It's all for L.O.V.E.!
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I'll volunteer to write the next one. PM me with the deadline, word count blah blah blah.
I don't know the deadline for the second article yet, but I will let you know as soon as I know. What subject would you like to cover?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Souza....that was VERY well done. Just about perfect. I think you handled all of our fears very well. Great article and once again I ask you, are you a writer?
Souza....that was VERY well done. Just about perfect. I think you handled all of our fears very well. Great article and once again I ask you, are you a writer?
No I am not. I hope some people will have the balls to say they were wrong about me yet again, but I doubt it.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Souza, I think that's a very well-written article. I like that you started off with your personal experiences of June 25th, 2009 - it makes it very relatable. And I think a lot of non-believers who may read it would remember themselves questioning if it was a publicity stunt, if it was even real. But the media pounded it in to them so they just accepted his "death" as truth. I had very similar experiences, I think I may have even googled those exact same words, or "Michael Jackson is still alive" because all the stories that came out in those early days all conflicted each other and none of it made any real sense. And I don't think the deliberate clues that Michael left can be copyrighted by anybody, they're there for all to see if they choose to open their eyes and minds to them.
And I'm glad you mentioned how a lot of people were out to get Michael and the media lies because vicious, scandalous stories sell better than the truth. People must learn to understand the importance of thinking for themselves and to not condemn someone based on something they know nothing about.
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That is what the guy from the magazine said at the end of his email. To me what he is saying is after he has already read the forum he wants to help MICHAEL in any way. Just like we do, right?
This next part might not come across to friendly but I am feeling an urge to express a few thoughts. First I am amazed to see such flip flop of loyalty. I am amazed at how quickly some people are to stab someone in the back after over a year of investigating together. Actually I am not surprised after all because it happened to me as well. I was stabbed real hard in the back.
What I am amazed at is WTF happened to keeping the FAITH no matter what?
How did Souza become #1 public enemy? How did TS go from being on the good side to now again on the bad side. This baffles me because the people who are flip flopping were the same ones who were SO SURE before about TS, who he really is, and whom he speaks for.
I am NOT referring to Mo. As for her I feel as though she ended up having a feeling of something like buyers remorse. She has every right to leave the forum and distant herself.
What I am trippin on is longtime members expressing so much anger and blaming Souza for all the bad shit that happened on the forum. Members who are distanting themselves as far away as possible from the board (yet still come here to post negative remarks).
I am trippin on the members who are worried about theories being published in a magazine in a section about conspiracies and THEORIES like NWO, Illuminati, corrupt shit happening in our governments, God, and whatever else.
I am trippin on the fact that some members forget that this forum is open to public eyes right now. All our thoughts, words, and theories are here for the world to see; if the world thinks we are crazy then they do so now. The world is crazy itself.
Putting articles in a magazine will not start the world to think we are nuts. What trips me out is how many of you who are quick to step backwards and say I am not down for this project. I am not supporting you Souza. When times get tough only those who meant what they said from the get go will be left standing strong right by Michael's side and Souza's. Soldiers do not step backwards and get fearful they step up to the plate and do whatever it takes.
The hypocrisy is getting to me and I said from the beginning of this post I wasn't gonna be nice so if your offended by my opinion sorry I warned ya.
Peace
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I would be interested to know your findings in that. Can we refuse to have our posts included? Can we have them deleted upon request? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
It appears that having your posts removed from a forum falls into a "grey" area within the legal realm. You retain copyright of all of your posts but the site has implied use of them on this site only. Anything posted here can not be used without your permission as part of any article being proposed to be published in this magazine. If Souza, follows through with this plan and includes material posted by others, without their written consent, she opens herself and the site up to lawsuits. There must be some deep consideration given to what is being proposed here, when we are not all agreeing to proceed with this.
Sorry SD, but do you have problems reading, or are you simply ignoring my replies?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."No, we aren't talking credit or competition. We are talking about including information provided by individuals who do not support this, do not want to have their reserach included in this, being included when one has expressed definitively that they do not want nor agree with proceeding with this, the possible consequences of such actions and what in my opinion has come down to an abuse of perceived power ..."I am going to do this, on behalf of the hoax community and Michael, whether I have yours or Michael's blessing or not."
Do you have a problem reading and comprehending this?
Sorry to burst your buble SD, but I don't even read your posts. Besides that, I have stated a few posts earlier what my idea was and that did not include copying anyones post. I have absolutely no problem reading, you clearly have. If you don't like it here, just leave and take your judgemental assumptions with you.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Again, I'd feel out the family. They are number one and the link to Michael.
I know it's been said they could've shut down the site, but, a magazine is different. People come to us wanting kinship. The magazine introduces our thoughts upon those who didn't have them.
Maybe a good thing, granted. But, generally, those who agree are with us. Those who aren't ridicule.
I don't care who gets credit. This conception WAS Souza's. She's had the time and expense. But, my only thoughts are Michael. (and that us becoming his crazy FANily to the world only further hurts him)
I also think that a lot of us don't agree with the WHY"S of the hoax. I think that readers should draw their own conclusions. Given our theories, it should also be noted that MOST of us don't go along with quite a lot of the theories. Let the reader then decide which ones to believe.
Tread carefully while dealing with the enemy. (media) Michael learned the hard way.
It clearly shows that your only concern is yourself. You are not even reading or trying to participate in the discussion like the others. The only things you are concerned about are your own posts, yet you say you want to share them with as many people as possible. Since I asked people to participate, you could also just have offered to write a piece yourself, but you chose to attack me instead and are now gossiping behind my back on .net and copying all my posts on there. Did I give permission for that? No. Do I care? No again. But I do not appreciate members acting like that, I put to much time and work into this board to be stabbed in the back like that by the members. Practice what you preach SD and stop attacking something that doesn't even exist yet.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."It is not that people do not support Souza, they are worried about Michael. It is not Souza who is hiding, and fear for her life, it is Michael. We are all concerned about Michael. I for one, am hesitant, and I did quote, as long as Souza did researches than I am fine. If it is a respectable magazine then go for it. If it is a tabloid than be careful. We all love Michael and we do not want any harm towards him. I do not know Souza, but I am convinced she is a bright woman who will not jeapordize Michael and us. Blessing everyone.
SOUZA i really appreciate you, and i wish i could get into this project but i don't normally talk and don't know how to express myself in certain situations! God bless you : do what you have to do,you have a smart point of view on how things should be done!
I am not gossiping, they are members of the hoax community and have a right to know what you are planning on doing; this affects all believers and the re-posting these posts are facts not gossip. What I am concerned about is Michael, the hoax, the community and the general public's perception. I suggested that you discuss this with other forum's administration and members before deciding for us all, what should be done. You are not our spokesperson; you speak only for yourself and have no right to nominate yourself to this position. I have read every single post in this thread and I do not agree with you or what you are proposing to do. You do not have the blessings of all of us, in publishing these proposed magazine articles, on our behalf nor Michael's. You are an administrator of one forum, out of many. Somewhere along this adventure, you seem to have started to believe that you are now some kind of expert on Michael, the hoax, what he wants us to do or not do, and again our spokesperson and are dictating to us. None of these are true. Give your head a shake and set your feet back on the ground, all the attention seems to have inflated your image of yourself or something.
Thank you Michael for the advice. It is so very true. I agree with believe in yourself no matter what. I agree with more than that but most of all I feel that every single person who is commenting or reading this thread can take a learning lesson from this advice Michael gave to us.
Peace
well... any money that benefits a charity is a wonderful thing. If we can channel money towards those in need... thats what it is all about.
And as far as i am aware.. none of the profits Pearl made were ever given to charity.
i really don't think it is about the money.
Oh, its always about the money where Michael Jackson is concerned. x
The money situation has the potential to totally blow up in our faces. I do not wish to participate in anything that makes a profit in Michaels name. If it all goes to charity. And if that money is openly trackable to the last penny... if it all goes to a good cause, then that is different.
@All. I don't understand why some are against Souza discussing the hoax within Wonderwall Magazine. We are not an exclusive club that requires special guidelines for inclusion on the forum. We are simply a group of people who believe that MJ is alive. Anyone who is recommended by a current member or who stumbles upon the forum on their own may join. We have already been revealed and exposed ...for better or worse. Consider the number of members who join and NEVER post. They read our threads and form opinions already...in silence. Plus few... if any of us.... have revealed our true identities and actual locations. Our privacy is quite safe. Plus...for all we know there may be people out there (Wonderwall readers) who share our views regarding the hoax. However they may not have an outlet where they can share their opinions or clues. Fresh eyes and input on clues that may have been overlooked should be welcomed. So I respectfully ask.... why is there such fear in allowing our posts to be shared in any discussions with the magazine?
For whoever is interested, here is the draft for the first article. As you can see in the last part, I would like someone to volunteer to write the next piece. If anyone sees anything in this piece that violates someones copyright, makes us look like nuts or disrespects Michael, let me know.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."And I'm glad you mentioned how a lot of people were out to get Michael and the media lies because vicious, scandalous stories sell better than the truth. People must learn to understand the importance of thinking for themselves and to not condemn someone based on something they know nothing about.