MJs relationship with the media... past and present. There will be an ending reference and teaser to "wagging the dog".
I like the subject! I think around 1,500 words will do, same length as mine. They can take it or leave it! It is simply impossible to explain in less words.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Souza...do you know how we members can get the magazine from the start of your articles so we don't miss any??
Quoted form the last email I received from him:
I can promise you the article will not be edited or changed. Only grammar and spelling will be checked. I completely understand and will let you see the article before we go to print. We are in the process of getting high end advertisers like Jack Daniels, Cricket and other clothing ads, so we are only in record stores, venues and some news stands around the country. Bands also take them on tour with with them and sell some and give some away.
I do want to receive a copy myself though, or at least a digital one to see if it's really printed as sent.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Right...that, and whoever sent you the email originally, had a few misspellings themselves ..lol <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> So hopefully they don't do that to your article...Also, the cover of the magazine says WonderWall, yet the editor wrote Wonderwall...which is weird being it's his magazine...
I'm not downing this, things like that JUMP out to me. I should be a proof reader.
I thought it looked like that type of magazine you'd get in a music store. Hopefully we can subscribe or get it in big bookstores or local music stores.
Exciting isn't it?
I just want to help Michael out any way I can. I really can relate to him.
That is what the guy from the magazine said at the end of his email. To me what he is saying is after he has already read the forum he wants to help MICHAEL in any way. Just like we do, right?
This next part might not come across to friendly but I am feeling an urge to express a few thoughts. First I am amazed to see such flip flop of loyalty. I am amazed at how quickly some people are to stab someone in the back after over a year of investigating together. Actually I am not surprised after all because it happened to me as well. I was stabbed real hard in the back.
What I am amazed at is WTF happened to keeping the FAITH no matter what?
How did Souza become #1 public enemy? How did TS go from being on the good side to now again on the bad side. This baffles me because the people who are flip flopping were the same ones who were SO SURE before about TS, who he really is, and whom he speaks for.
I am NOT referring to Mo. As for her I feel as though she ended up having a feeling of something like buyers remorse. She has every right to leave the forum and distant herself.
What I am trippin on is longtime members expressing so much anger and blaming Souza for all the bad shit that happened on the forum. Members who are distanting themselves as far away as possible from the board (yet still come here to post negative remarks).
I am trippin on the members who are worried about theories being published in a magazine in a section about conspiracies and THEORIES like NWO, Illuminati, corrupt shit happening in our governments, God, and whatever else.
I am trippin on the fact that some members forget that this forum is open to public eyes right now. All our thoughts, words, and theories are here for the world to see; if the world thinks we are crazy then they do so now. The world is crazy itself.
Putting articles in a magazine will not start the world to think we are nuts. What trips me out is how many of you who are quick to step backwards and say I am not down for this project. I am not supporting you Souza. When times get tough only those who meant what they said from the get go will be left standing strong right by Michael's side and Souza's. Soldiers do not step backwards and get fearful they step up to the plate and do whatever it takes.
The hypocrisy is getting to me and I said from the beginning of this post I wasn't gonna be nice so if your offended by my opinion sorry I warned ya.
Peace
[youtube:1pniq2p6] Whatever Happens Don't let go of his hand!
I agree with you Im_convincedmjalive. A strong post you got there! Yet, I must add that the discussion on this thread is interesting. I support Souza's plans and it is a great opportunity to bring the hoax research to a higher level of awareness, specially the hoax motives. Of course we need to know more about this project and how it's gonna be implemented.
FAITH
Souza....that was VERY well done. Just about perfect. I think you handled all of our fears very well. Great article and once again I ask you, are you a writer?
No I am not. I hope some people will have the balls to say they were wrong about me yet again, but I doubt it.
I for one was a little skeptical, but what you wrote is amazing. You did not point any fingers.
Souza....that was VERY well done. Just about perfect. I think you handled all of our fears very well. Great article and once again I ask you, are you a writer?
No I am not. I hope some people will have the balls to say they were wrong about me yet again, but I doubt it.
I for one was a little skeptical, but what you wrote is amazing. You did not point any fingers.
Souza....that was VERY well done. Just about perfect. I think you handled all of our fears very well. Great article and once again I ask you, are you a writer?
No I am not. I hope some people will have the balls to say they were wrong about me yet again, but I doubt it.
I for one was a little skeptical, but what you wrote is amazing. You did not point any fingers.
Skeptical is good. I was talking about people who judged something they hadn't even seen yet. Don't feel addressed.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Souza....that was VERY well done. Just about perfect. I think you handled all of our fears very well. Great article and once again I ask you, are you a writer?
No I am not. I hope some people will have the balls to say they were wrong about me yet again, but I doubt it.
I for one was a little skeptical, but what you wrote is amazing. You did not point any fingers.
Skeptical is good. I was talking about people who judged something they hadn't even seen yet. Don't feel addressed.
I don't feel addressed no worries. Good job. Blessings.
I have a question? I know our little "forum" is not a secret, however I thought the main point to this was to really try to find the truth of what happened to Michael. So my question is, why is it so important that more people jump on our bandwagon. It just doesn't make sense to me to try and convince other people by exposing what we have uncovered. Who cares? For what purpose? We want to know if Michael is ok, don't we? or do we care how many people we can convert? People are free to find us, why do we need to advertize in the same media that Michael hated. And lets just imagine for just one moment that Michael doesn't want to be found, what will this do to him? harms way? Could be.......
I have a question? I know our little "forum" is not a secret, however I thought the main point to this was to really try to find the truth of what happened to Michael. So my question is, why is it so important that more people jump on our bandwagon. It just doesn't make sense to me to try and convince other people by exposing what we have uncovered. Who cares? For what purpose? We want to know if Michael is ok, don't we? or do we care how many people we can convert? People are free to find us, why do we need to advertize in the same media that Michael hated. And lets just imagine for just one moment that Michael doesn't want to be found, what will this do to him? harms way? Could be.......
I have had this discussion with you before and you will never believe anything I say, so there is really no point in asking.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
... Attached are some unedited samples of Issue 1.p If there are mistakes I appologize, they will be fixed. I read all the material on your site and was blown away and completely shocked. I would love to provide you and your team of writers with a platform in Wonderwall Magazine where we will publish in sections, the truth behind the "The Jackson Consiracy". We go to print every other month and can continue the story each month and even have a permanent column specifically for Michael called "The Jackson Files" that follows the story and any new information involved with his life and current whereabouts will be updated each issue. ... If it is ok with you, we can layout and bring life to the amazing writing already published on your site, give full credit to the writer and post it on our site with your link attached. (wonderwallmagazine.com) You also can write new material as the story progresses. ...
They say they "will publish ... the truth behind 'The Jackson Consiracy' " using material from the forum that already exists. "... bring life to the amazing writing already published on your site ... " ... "and post it on our site with your link attached. (wonderwallmagazine.com) ...". ... "You also can write new material as the story progresses ... "
I can promise you the article will not be edited or changed. Only grammar and spelling will be checked. I completely understand and will let you see the article before we go to print. We are in the process of getting high end advertisers like Jack Daniels, Cricket and other clothing ads.
If I try to understand the email, I get the following. It is just my personal opinion and impression and is not intended to criticize any well-meant writing in any way:
- the editor's team is not yet a large one in numbers, either he is the only writer or has a small team of writers, growing in numbers (the magazine may not get a lot of publicity then if only read by a few, which is not negative, just a statement. There is a lot of competition and you need something special to attract readers attention)
- in the beginning only existing forum members' contributions will be used without being edited or changed, only grammar and spelling will be checked (the new magazine needs articles to get more volume and to attract more sponsors who pay for ads; the editor may not recogognize members' mistakes? The editor is not an American writer, but from abroad?)
- later on new articles can be written, but not for a start (he is not sure yet if people will write new articles for him and his magazine)
- the email-writer is going to publish them in the magazine called wonderwallmagazine.com, not WonderWall ... (there may be no difference, but one member here made us aware of the different spelling)
- he puts a lot of emphasis on getting money for ads from sponsors who can pay well (I know that printing and publishing a magazine costs much money, but I am a little surprised to read it from the start. I wonder what the main aim is: to find out the truth about a conspiracy or to make money, or to make money to be able to make the truth more public to a wider audience or a mixture of it?) This forum doesn't have any ads, whereas a magazine has to sell to be able to exist. If you have ads and sponsors, they can have influence on what you write or they choose other magazines. You may lose your independence.
- News of Michael Jackson's life and his current whereabouts will be published and updated in each issue. What does that mean? Would Michael want this? Gossip about his life? It is not quite clear what news shall be included. Tabloid style or serious investigation? If he should still be in danger, would an update of his current whereabouts not endanger his life?
There remain some questions and it's a difference to voice one's opinion on a forum site or in a magazine. But as members' opinions are not taken into consideration when it comes to a final decision it doesn't really matter what some members' concerns are. The idea itself sounds good if the other side is serious and only articles appear which respect the vulnerability of Michael's eventual precarious situation, and if only those write there who chose to do so. They are legally responsible for their texts in a magazine. I personally would prefer if they wrote as individuals (like bloggers expressing opinions) and not as forum members referring back to a forum. The idea of taking money from a magazine for writing articles (even if intended for charity) or providing articles is not transparent enough, I think.
Souza....as I said before, you don't know me personally, but everytime I post something, or ask a question, you seem to want to start something with me. What is the problem? And I was not directing that question to you, but you always seem to take it personally. I am a 62 year old woman, and do not appreciate your sarcasium everytime I post something. Yea, I know, your answer to that is LEAVE, just like it is for everyone that you don't agree with. Very Sad.
... Attached are some unedited samples of Issue 1.p If there are mistakes I appologize, they will be fixed. I read all the material on your site and was blown away and completely shocked. I would love to provide you and your team of writers with a platform in Wonderwall Magazine where we will publish in sections, the truth behind the "The Jackson Consiracy". We go to print every other month and can continue the story each month and even have a permanent column specifically for Michael called "The Jackson Files" that follows the story and any new information involved with his life and current whereabouts will be updated each issue. ... If it is ok with you, we can layout and bring life to the amazing writing already published on your site, give full credit to the writer and post it on our site with your link attached. (wonderwallmagazine.com) You also can write new material as the story progresses. ...
They say they "will publish ... the truth behind 'The Jackson Consiracy' " using material from the forum that already exists. "... bring life to the amazing writing already published on your site ... " ... "and post it on our site with your link attached. (wonderwallmagazine.com) ...". ... "You also can write new material as the story progresses ... "
I can promise you the article will not be edited or changed. Only grammar and spelling will be checked. I completely understand and will let you see the article before we go to print. We are in the process of getting high end advertisers like Jack Daniels, Cricket and other clothing ads.
If I try to understand the email, I get the following. It is just my personal opinion and impression and is not intended to criticize any well-meant writing in any way:
- the editor's team is not yet a large one in numbers, either he is the only writer or has a small team of writers, growing in numbers (the magazine may not get a lot of publicity then if only read by a few, which is not negative, just a statement. There is a lot of competition and you need something special to attract readers attention)
- in the beginning only existing forum members' contributions will be used without being edited or changed, only grammar and spelling will be checked (the new magazine needs articles to get more volume and to attract more sponsors who pay for ads; the editor may not recogognize members' mistakes? The editor is not an American writer, but from abroad?)
- later on new articles can be written, but not for a start (he is not sure yet if people will write new articles for him and his magazine)
- the email-writer is going to publish them in the magazine called wonderwallmagazine.com, not WonderWall ... (there may be no difference, but one member here made us aware of the different spelling)
- he puts a lot of emphasis on getting money for ads from sponsors who can pay well (I know that printing and publishing a magazine costs much money, but I am a little surprised to read it from the start. I wonder what the main aim is: to find out the truth about a conspiracy or to make money, or to make money to be able to make the truth more public to a wider audience or a mixture of it?) This forum doesn't have any ads, whereas a magazine has to sell to be able to exist. If you have ads and sponsors, they can have influence on what you write or they choose other magazines. You may lose your independence.
- News of Michael Jackson's life and his current whereabouts will be published and updated in each issue. What does that mean? Would Michael want this? Gossip about his life? It is not quite clear what news shall be included. Tabloid style or serious investigation? If he should still be in danger, would an update of his current whereabouts not endanger his life?
There remain some questions and it's a difference to voice one's opinion on a forum site or in a magazine. But as members' opinions are not taken into consideration when it comes to a final decision it doesn't really matter what some members' concerns are. The idea itself sounds good if the other side is serious and only articles appear which respect the vulnerability of Michael's eventual precarious situation, and if only those write there who chose to do so. They are legally responsible for their texts in a magazine. I personally would prefer if they wrote as individuals (like bloggers expressing opinions) and not as forum members referring back to a forum. The idea of taking money from a magazine for writing articles (even if intended for charity) or providing articles is not transparent enough, I think.
<!-- s --><!-- s --> joke's on him if thinks we know where michael is.
@onemoretime: There is more email correspondence between me and the editor and I made it clear to him that I only agree if he publishes what is sent to him and that if he won't and publish crap like the Sun did, concequences will follow. We don't know Michael's whereabouts and even if we do, we wouldn't share it. I for one wouldn't even post it on here if I would find out in any way, since everything here is public as well so there is no danger in that.
About the money he offers: I don't want any money at all, but if he wants to pay, I rather have him donate it to a charity we choose. When I look at what they want in print, I understand he needs sponsors from the start. Because of what I do for a living, I know how expensive printing something like this is, most likely when you are only starting and start with low quantities, so I don't see anything strange in there. He can not copy information from this website without permission, worst case scenario he will twist my words and make me look like a looney bin. I don't mind, as long as people will start questioning. But I have no reason to believe he will when I look at the drafts he sent me.
Like someone mentioned before: anyone can read the info on here and if they want to do an article on it, they can do so anyway. This way we at least can control what will be posted. The draft I posted contains nothing special and can be seen as a try-out. If they screw up, no more articles will be sent. If they are honest, we might have a good platform to spread the word.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<!-- s --><!-- s --> joke's on him if thinks we know where michael is.
You are so right. If nobody of this community and all the other existing ones haven't yet found out, how shall an editor of a newly founded magazine be able to update his 'current whereabouts' in each issue.
His hiding place (wherever it is) is well protected and here at least nobody can help out with the latest sightings. No chance <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
It's funny how people are ready to attack you for this, yet they don't attack some believers when they go on TV and talk about MJ being alive, I know a member on here and on .net who Ive seen on TV many times talking about MJ being alive, giving her theories etc... yet no one seems to attack her ( why? not harmful to MJ?),... I won't give any username... Im just surprised at how SOME people actually reject this only because they think it is a competition of some sort...
In the first place Michael may not be standing by anyone's side when all is said and done. He may be burned and put in an urn or buried in a tomb for all anyone knows. Not one of us KNOWS he is dead or alive. Gut feelings and instincts are not truth, are not Michael in the flesh. Sure we may lean more toward believing or not believing, whatever we "feel" is the correct assumption but anyone here or anywhere else in the fandom that says they KNOW Michael is dead or alive is either guessing, blowing smoke up their own arse or they have an inside line directly to the man himself. There are wolves in all of our camps but it's up to us as individuals to decide are they really sheep or are they hounds of hell. Think long and hard where your hearts really are. Think long also on who you want to love and protect at all costs!!!!!!!
Souza, I think your article is very well written and informative. I support going ahead and joining forces with this magazine. We need to reach more people and open their minds to all the inconsistencies. Thank you for all the work you put into this forum.
Peace,
Daniela
Im_convinced said what needed to be said. Totally agreed.
Souza, no matter where I stand on an issue, I will never doubt your character or your judgment and I will always give you the benefit of any doubt. These people... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Let's go public.
Ps. You have permission to use anything I write or think or say anywhere on the internet for the purpose of the death hoax. Take it, use it, spread it. In addition, tell me if I can help.
@Souza: Reading your draft and your answer made me aware of your seriousness and your goodwill to get the message out. I trust you in making the right decision, as we don't have all the knowledge and background infomation needed for a responsible way of handling specific measures. And even if you should fail, you are willing and courageous enough to admit a mistake. Sometimes we know more when a situation has been tested, one way or the other. We can't predict the future.
I feel you would protect Michael with all your heart and would never betray him by letting the wrong people know where his hiding place is if you found out. No member here of this forum would either and if you had a suspicion you would find ways to stop them from spreading it.
Being someone who starts printing a new magazine might be an advantage, because the person(s) doing it could still be passionate in what they are doing. We don't know his agenda yet and as "truth-searchers" are critical and ready to fight against any media trying to take advantage of Michael for their own good.
You are as well and I am sure you are able to find out very quickly if the offered platform is the wrong or right one or if it has to be rejected for good. I am glad to see you are listening to what is expressed in this thread and not only here. Your energy is amazing, and nothing is to be taken for granted, but as humans we have to protect our health from time to time in order not to get too exhausted. So please take good care of yourself and try to get more sleep or rest. You are needed and without you and your guidance it is not the same. The MJKITForum -Intermezzo wasn't fun. The hoax has changed and influenced our lives in many ways, all of us, who have observed the inconsistencies from a very early stage. We must never forget what has led us to this place. We all share a common goal and are driven by a force within. It is difficult to give it a proper suitable name. Feeling for justice, longing for truth. I don't really know myself what it is. What I know and remember is the time without any forum: deep sadness about a loss, so strong and overwhelming. You could ask yourself, maybe you did already, why out of all people, you were chosen to be what you are now: the administrator of a forum, which gave many lost members a 'home' so to speak in a time of grief to be able to cope and gradually to get stronger. A non-believer cannot imagine the inner rollercoaster state of mind we have been in and no end in sight.
We don't know what has happened, where he is, what he would like or not, if he can decide himself or not, not what only the family says, but he himself, that's the problem for me.
To be careful who to trust doesn't harm and if we all take a close look at things to come we sometimes learn from others who express concerns.
The unknown monster is about to embark
from a far corner, out of the dark
If I may quote your signature, only meant in general from my point of view, to be alert in the real-life thriller of the MJ-hoax, we never know what is next to surprise us. Positive, I hope. But believing and hoping is not necessarily knowing, no proof at all. Let's keep the faith!
For whoever is interested, here is the draft for the first article. As you can see in the last part, I would like someone to volunteer to write the next piece. If anyone sees anything in this piece that violates someones copyright, makes us look like nuts or disrespects Michael, let me know.
[center:1jh0nzj0]"You and I were never separate. It's just an illusion wrought by the magical lens of perception."
~Michael Jackson~[/center:1jh0nzj0]
The world stood still on June 25, 2009. Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, had passed away at the age of 50. Never in my life had I witnessed such an outburst of grief. By dying, Michael Jackson had achieved what no one else had achieved up until then; he had united the world. In every city of the world, people from all races and religions joined hands and cried together as one. As much as I knew how loved Michael Jackson was and still is, I was amazed. At that moment I realized how big of an influence he was worldwide. Little did I realize back then, how big of an influence he would become to me and my perception of life.
I remember visiting my parents when the news broke. CNN told us Michael had suffered from cardiac arrest and was taken to the hospital. According to them he was in a coma and it didn't look good. First thing that popped my head was: what if this is a publicity stunt? The London shows were about to start and after all we were dealing with Michael Jackson. Even though I never considered myself a fan, he seemed to me like someone who would be capable of doing something like that, something that hadn't been done yet. A few moments later my father, who had been following the news on the internet, came down and said he had died. He what? I checked my TV screen to see what I had missed, but nothing. According to CNN he was still in a coma. I asked him where he got that information, and he told me there was a tabloid called TMZ.com who had just published an article that stated that Michael had passed away. Although I didn't think that was strange at first, it did become stranger when it took CNN almost an hour to confirm this. Looking back now my feeling was right, since TMZ had posted the article about his passing 6 minutes before the doctors at UCLA even pronounced him dead.
As days went by and the odd feeling just didn't want to leave my system, I decided to take a seat behind my computer and I googled "Michael Jackson is not dead" and to my surprise I found a forum up and running since June 25th that had already around 300 members who clearly had the same strange feeling that I had. There were a lot of topics I didn't understand back then. I didn't know much about Michael Jackson and I had to study his life more before I could even join the conversations, that much I understood. The first time my head spinned was when someone posted a video of the helicopter flight to the coroner with allegedly Michael's body in it. The topic starter said that the body moved and I spent the rest of the afternoon watching that video to determine if my eyes were playing tricks on me but after watching it a hundred times, I was sure I saw it moving too.
If that would have been the only oddity I had seen post June 25, I would probably not be sitting here, writing this piece but from that moment on it was like being on a rollercoaster. More and more strange stories about Michael hit the news and more and more contradictions were found and posted on the forum, even up until this day. For those who took the effort to take a peak behind the screen it became more and more obvious that Michael Jackson's death was indeed a hoax, but why would he do this? Publicity? Money? Or is there more that needs to be taken into consideration?
I don't think I have to remind anyone about the accusations made against Michael. Back in 1993 the civil case, started by Evan Chandler, the father of the boy Michael allegedly inappropriately touched, was settled out of court. Even though it was not Michael himself who settled, but his insurance company, even though Evan Chandler was taped during a phone converstaion that proved that it was extortion, and even though Michael was never charged with anything dispite the millions of tax dollars spent on a criminal investigation, his image was ruined. The media jumped on the bandwagon and Michael has been labeled as a freak who touches little boys ever since. When Michael was on trial in 2005, 2,200 journalists from all over the world followed his every step. They had condemned him already before the trial even started, and they continued their biased reporting throughout the trial. When Michael was acquitted of all charges on June 13, 2005, they went silent. They took off with their tails between their legs and no one even bothered to pay attention to his innocence, with the effect that even though Michael was found not guilty of any wrong doing, the world still thought he was guilty and got away with it. Had they have been good journalists, they would have reported what happened inside the courtroom. Had they done that, the world would have known he has always been innocent, but now only those who will read an unbiased and factual report of the events, like "Michael Jackson Conspiracy" by Aphrodite Jones, will know for sure.
The above is just an example of what kind of influence the media has, and how they can manipulate the minds of the public. For decades Michael has been portrayed by the media as a freak, a child molester and drug addict. And if they do that to him, who says they wouldn't do that to other celebrities? Or events for that matter, like when CNN fabricated the news during the Gulf War?Just type in "CNN fake news Gulf War" to see what I am talking about.
By staging his death and controlling the media like this, Michael will be able to show the world that you shouldn't believe anything that is presented to you in the media. For decades the media controlled Michael and his image, it seems he has taken over and is pulling the strings from behind the curtain. As he said in an interview with Geraldo back in 2005 when Geraldo asked him about the big plan, what he wanted to do: "There are a lot of surprises. Film, I love film. [...] Well, it's not just so much film, but it's innovating it and pioneering it. Taking the medium to a new place. "
Ever since June 25, 2009, it seems like we have been in a reality film to an extend that is hard to comprehend. Shakespeare once said: "All the world's a stage". I think Michael took that literally and uses his influence to teach the media a lesson and make us aware of the problems in this world. He stood for something very important that has been buried underneath the tabloid trash: LOVE. Love for mother earth, love for humanity, love for animals, love for everything that exists. The kind of love that was forced to take a backseat and seem to have been replaced by lust, greed, hunger for money and power and dishonesty.
Our forum is one out of many forums where people share their ideas, their theories and the extremely odd and inconsistent information that has been presented in the media. Not just by the tabloids, but by the so called 'trustworthy' media as well. Even though none of us know exactly what happened and we do not agree with each other on every aspect of the hoax, we all have the same goal in mind, which is finding out the truth, clearing his name and supporting him in whatever he is planning to do. We appreciate it that Wonderwall Magazine is willing to give us a platform outside of the forum where we can share our thoughts and research about the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.
Before dismissing any of the above, please take the following into consideration:
According to the death certificate Michael Joseph Jackson passed away. According to the 2003-2005 court papers his legal name is Michael Joe Jackson. On one's death certificate the legal name must be stated.
No doctor ever made a statement on his death, the one making the statement on June 25 was Michael's brother Jermaine.
Michael hired lots of actors before his death, none of them is allowed to speak to this day, because every one of them had to sign a confidentiality agreement.
At the memorial, Jermaine performed 'Smile' and mixed up some words, without even blinking. Instead of "light up your face with gladness, hide every trace of sadness" he sang "light up your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness".
Even though Michael won more Grammys in his life than anyone, they failed to mention him in the "In Memoriam" list ... twice!
TMZ reported on his death 6 minutes before he was even declared dead.
The autopsy report is full of inconsistencies and misses some important features of Michael. Besides that an autopsy report shouldn't even be released to the public while there is a criminal investigation going on.
I could go on and on, but I will stop right here and let you think about the idea. Much more information is collected on the forum, from just clues and theories to actual facts and errors that were published about his death. This article has the sole purpose to let you open up your mind about the idea and start questioning the strange circumstances surrounding the alleged death of Michael Jackson.
In the upcoming issues we will explain more in detail why we believe Michael is still alive. I would like to pass the pen to [username] who will bring more light to the oddities surrounding [subject]. Until then, you are most welcome to visit the website and join us in the discussions. And remember: It's all for L.O.V.E.!
Hey Souza!
While I am still on the fence about all this, and sad to read the threads here.....I would like to lend my help with some minor typo things I see in your well written article.......don't mean to offend etc....but, I did catch a few things you may want to take a look at (totally your call). I put them in bold print above...here is the run-down for you to see:
spinned- should be spun
rollercoaster- should be roller-coaster or
roller coaster
converstaion- should be conversation
dispite- should be despite
extend- should be extent
A couple of grammar/punctuation things:
"we appreciate it that"-perhaps leave out "it" (not really needed in the sentence)
"besides that"- needs a comma after that "besides that," or just "besides,"
"is" - should be, "are" ...none of them are allowed....
Please, please, please know I am not nit-picking or trying to offend etc.....I just have a background in writing and want you to look professional. Wonderwall had a typo or two as well....makes me wonder about them. I would be very careful mentioning Aphrodite Jones or CNN. Especially, mentioning CNN....you do not want them breathing down your neck.
Anyways....it's all very interesting. I hope it pans out to have been a good thing. I guess we will only know in hindsight!
Blessings to you and everyone here on forum.....I pray this will not come between members. I am afraid, however, it already has <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> I will keep you all in my thoughts and prayers for this journey.
Blessings Always!
I would love to provide you and your team of writers with a platform in Wonderwall Magazine where we will publish in sections, the truth behind the "The Jackson Consiracy"......Only grammar and spelling will be checked.
Hee hee! I hope this guy isn't the one checking the grammer. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Souza, your...our article is wonderful. I could relate so much to the story you shared, as I am sure others here do as well. Maybe even those reading the article once it gets publish would too. I don't see how anyone here could be opposed to submitting an article such as the one you have written. But, I could be wrong.
Im_convincedmjalive wrote:
I am trippin on the members who are worried about theories being published in a magazine in a section about conspiracies and THEORIES like NWO, Illuminati, corrupt shit happening in our governments, God, and whatever else.
It is one thing to say that Michael felt threatened and even told people, including his siblings, that there were people out to kill him. That is undisputed facts. But, if you say the words NWO, Illuminati, etc., most people wouldn't know who the heck you were even talking about and if you were to try to explain who they are, they may say, "Ooookaaay," as they slowly back out of the room. So, stop trippin on me...please.
It is very sad to read negative posts about Souza or about other members. We are supposed to be in this thing together. I believe Michael would want it that way. Instead, the in-fighing, negativity, distrust and rude comments certainly wouldn't do much to speed up my return. In fact, it might keep me away. I can see Micahel saying right now, "if I can't get my own fan base to L.O.V.E. each other, how can I get the whole world to care about the planet and each other." IMHO.... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->
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I like the subject! I think around 1,500 words will do, same length as mine. They can take it or leave it! It is simply impossible to explain in less words.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I do want to receive a copy myself though, or at least a digital one to see if it's really printed as sent.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I'm not downing this, things like that JUMP out to me. I should be a proof reader.
I thought it looked like that type of magazine you'd get in a music store. Hopefully we can subscribe or get it in big bookstores or local music stores.
Exciting isn't it?
I agree with you Im_convincedmjalive. A strong post you got there! Yet, I must add that the discussion on this thread is interesting. I support Souza's plans and it is a great opportunity to bring the hoax research to a higher level of awareness, specially the hoax motives. Of course we need to know more about this project and how it's gonna be implemented.
FAITH
I for one was a little skeptical, but what you wrote is amazing. You did not point any fingers.
Agree. Nice job Souza.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I don't feel addressed no worries. Good job. Blessings.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."They say they "will publish ... the truth behind 'The Jackson Consiracy' " using material from the forum that already exists. "... bring life to the amazing writing already published on your site ... " ... "and post it on our site with your link attached. (wonderwallmagazine.com) ...". ... "You also can write new material as the story progresses ... "
If I try to understand the email, I get the following. It is just my personal opinion and impression and is not intended to criticize any well-meant writing in any way:
- the editor's team is not yet a large one in numbers, either he is the only writer or has a small team of writers, growing in numbers (the magazine may not get a lot of publicity then if only read by a few, which is not negative, just a statement. There is a lot of competition and you need something special to attract readers attention)
- in the beginning only existing forum members' contributions will be used without being edited or changed, only grammar and spelling will be checked (the new magazine needs articles to get more volume and to attract more sponsors who pay for ads; the editor may not recogognize members' mistakes? The editor is not an American writer, but from abroad?)
- later on new articles can be written, but not for a start (he is not sure yet if people will write new articles for him and his magazine)
- the email-writer is going to publish them in the magazine called wonderwallmagazine.com, not WonderWall ... (there may be no difference, but one member here made us aware of the different spelling)
- he puts a lot of emphasis on getting money for ads from sponsors who can pay well (I know that printing and publishing a magazine costs much money, but I am a little surprised to read it from the start. I wonder what the main aim is: to find out the truth about a conspiracy or to make money, or to make money to be able to make the truth more public to a wider audience or a mixture of it?) This forum doesn't have any ads, whereas a magazine has to sell to be able to exist. If you have ads and sponsors, they can have influence on what you write or they choose other magazines. You may lose your independence.
- News of Michael Jackson's life and his current whereabouts will be published and updated in each issue. What does that mean? Would Michael want this? Gossip about his life? It is not quite clear what news shall be included. Tabloid style or serious investigation? If he should still be in danger, would an update of his current whereabouts not endanger his life?
There remain some questions and it's a difference to voice one's opinion on a forum site or in a magazine. But as members' opinions are not taken into consideration when it comes to a final decision it doesn't really matter what some members' concerns are. The idea itself sounds good if the other side is serious and only articles appear which respect the vulnerability of Michael's eventual precarious situation, and if only those write there who chose to do so. They are legally responsible for their texts in a magazine. I personally would prefer if they wrote as individuals (like bloggers expressing opinions) and not as forum members referring back to a forum. The idea of taking money from a magazine for writing articles (even if intended for charity) or providing articles is not transparent enough, I think.
About the money he offers: I don't want any money at all, but if he wants to pay, I rather have him donate it to a charity we choose. When I look at what they want in print, I understand he needs sponsors from the start. Because of what I do for a living, I know how expensive printing something like this is, most likely when you are only starting and start with low quantities, so I don't see anything strange in there. He can not copy information from this website without permission, worst case scenario he will twist my words and make me look like a looney bin. I don't mind, as long as people will start questioning. But I have no reason to believe he will when I look at the drafts he sent me.
Like someone mentioned before: anyone can read the info on here and if they want to do an article on it, they can do so anyway. This way we at least can control what will be posted. The draft I posted contains nothing special and can be seen as a try-out. If they screw up, no more articles will be sent. If they are honest, we might have a good platform to spread the word.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."You are so right. If nobody of this community and all the other existing ones haven't yet found out, how shall an editor of a newly founded magazine be able to update his 'current whereabouts' in each issue.
His hiding place (wherever it is) is well protected and here at least nobody can help out with the latest sightings. No chance <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Peace,
Daniela
Souza, no matter where I stand on an issue, I will never doubt your character or your judgment and I will always give you the benefit of any doubt. These people... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Let's go public.
Ps. You have permission to use anything I write or think or say anywhere on the internet for the purpose of the death hoax. Take it, use it, spread it. In addition, tell me if I can help.
SD: what are you thinking girl?
I feel you would protect Michael with all your heart and would never betray him by letting the wrong people know where his hiding place is if you found out. No member here of this forum would either and if you had a suspicion you would find ways to stop them from spreading it.
Being someone who starts printing a new magazine might be an advantage, because the person(s) doing it could still be passionate in what they are doing. We don't know his agenda yet and as "truth-searchers" are critical and ready to fight against any media trying to take advantage of Michael for their own good.
You are as well and I am sure you are able to find out very quickly if the offered platform is the wrong or right one or if it has to be rejected for good. I am glad to see you are listening to what is expressed in this thread and not only here. Your energy is amazing, and nothing is to be taken for granted, but as humans we have to protect our health from time to time in order not to get too exhausted. So please take good care of yourself and try to get more sleep or rest. You are needed and without you and your guidance it is not the same. The MJKITForum -Intermezzo wasn't fun. The hoax has changed and influenced our lives in many ways, all of us, who have observed the inconsistencies from a very early stage. We must never forget what has led us to this place. We all share a common goal and are driven by a force within. It is difficult to give it a proper suitable name. Feeling for justice, longing for truth. I don't really know myself what it is. What I know and remember is the time without any forum: deep sadness about a loss, so strong and overwhelming. You could ask yourself, maybe you did already, why out of all people, you were chosen to be what you are now: the administrator of a forum, which gave many lost members a 'home' so to speak in a time of grief to be able to cope and gradually to get stronger. A non-believer cannot imagine the inner rollercoaster state of mind we have been in and no end in sight.
We don't know what has happened, where he is, what he would like or not, if he can decide himself or not, not what only the family says, but he himself, that's the problem for me.
To be careful who to trust doesn't harm and if we all take a close look at things to come we sometimes learn from others who express concerns. If I may quote your signature, only meant in general from my point of view, to be alert in the real-life thriller of the MJ-hoax, we never know what is next to surprise us. Positive, I hope. But believing and hoping is not necessarily knowing, no proof at all. Let's keep the faith!
Hey Souza!
While I am still on the fence about all this, and sad to read the threads here.....I would like to lend my help with some minor typo things I see in your well written article.......don't mean to offend etc....but, I did catch a few things you may want to take a look at (totally your call). I put them in bold print above...here is the run-down for you to see:
spinned- should be spun
rollercoaster- should be roller-coaster or
roller coaster
converstaion- should be conversation
dispite- should be despite
extend- should be extent
A couple of grammar/punctuation things:
"we appreciate it that"-perhaps leave out "it" (not really needed in the sentence)
"besides that"- needs a comma after that "besides that," or just "besides,"
"is" - should be, "are" ...none of them are allowed....
Please, please, please know I am not nit-picking or trying to offend etc.....I just have a background in writing and want you to look professional. Wonderwall had a typo or two as well....makes me wonder about them. I would be very careful mentioning Aphrodite Jones or CNN. Especially, mentioning CNN....you do not want them breathing down your neck.
Anyways....it's all very interesting. I hope it pans out to have been a good thing. I guess we will only know in hindsight!
Blessings to you and everyone here on forum.....I pray this will not come between members. I am afraid, however, it already has <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> I will keep you all in my thoughts and prayers for this journey.
Blessings Always!
Souza, your...our article is wonderful. I could relate so much to the story you shared, as I am sure others here do as well. Maybe even those reading the article once it gets publish would too. I don't see how anyone here could be opposed to submitting an article such as the one you have written. But, I could be wrong. It is one thing to say that Michael felt threatened and even told people, including his siblings, that there were people out to kill him. That is undisputed facts. But, if you say the words NWO, Illuminati, etc., most people wouldn't know who the heck you were even talking about and if you were to try to explain who they are, they may say, "Ooookaaay," as they slowly back out of the room. So, stop trippin on me...please.
It is very sad to read negative posts about Souza or about other members. We are supposed to be in this thing together. I believe Michael would want it that way. Instead, the in-fighing, negativity, distrust and rude comments certainly wouldn't do much to speed up my return. In fact, it might keep me away. I can see Micahel saying right now, "if I can't get my own fan base to L.O.V.E. each other, how can I get the whole world to care about the planet and each other." IMHO.... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( -->