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It probably shocked some people here that someone mentioned Jesus wasn´t a real person.
My opinion:
Jeshua ben Joseph was a carpenter and a carpenter´s son. He was extremely intelligent and had an extraordinary sense for justice. He could cope well with women´s intelligence which was not usual at that time.
And probably he was married, unless the Roman Catholic Church made him a single and got something mystic around him, especially by removing parts of the bible that made him very "human", e.g. the apokryphes.
1. Technically he wasn't necessarily a carpenter.
2. Mark (the oldest gospel account) has a "derogatory" euphemism alluding to the controversy surrounding his birth (he is referred to as Mary's son, Joseph isn't even mentioned in that book. Take that into consideration when you read the birth accounts of Matthew and Luke.) As well as Paul's epistles mentioning him being formed by a woman.
3. Most scholars (including Bart Ehrman whom I generally disagree with believe he likely wasn't married). This is due to his message about the coming of the kingdom of God (and his own actions that would usher it in). Either Jesus knew he was going to die (and raise from the dead) or he thought the kingdom imminence meant he be there in his life time. A common theme of early Christians was not be be married (not that it was condemned but it wasn't a good idea). The idea that he was married came from a 2nd or 3rd century sect.
4. The apochrypha was removed due to there late datings, gnostic leanings, and inconsistent messages. (In many ways they make Jesus more mystic than the canon gospels and Paul's epistles do.)
Well I´m not too much into all this, I´m somewhere between science ( which is probably difficult to do because it all happened long time ago ) and things Church tries to suggest me.
This all is a discussion with a black hole, just as it is e.g. for the subject: what was first, egg or hen.
As I already mentioned, my theory is quite simple, and I believe in the idea Jesus spread, it´s not important if Jesus was a carpenter or not, or if Joseph was his dad or not.
As I already mentioned, my theory is quite simple, and I believe in the idea Jesus spread, it´s not important if Jesus was a carpenter or not, or if Joseph was his dad or not.
The carpenter thing isn't really a big deal and we're all entitled to our own opinions. But it is important whether or not Jesus was a "wise yet otherwise normal man" or if we was actually divine. If the latter is true, it gives his words much more authority than if he was just a smart dude. Michael himself made it clear that he isn't trying to be Jesus, but rather to be like him. I think that settles this theory.
The carpenter thing isn't really a big deal and we're all entitled to our own opinions. But it is important whether or not Jesus was a "wise yet otherwise normal man" or if we was actually divine. If the latter is true, it gives his words much more authority than if he was just a smart dude. Michael himself made it clear that he isn't trying to be Jesus, but rather to be like him. I think that settles this theory.
The carpenter thing isn't really a big deal and we're all entitled to our own opinions. But it is important whether or not Jesus was a "wise yet otherwise normal man" or if we was actually divine. If the latter is true, it gives his words much more authority than if he was just a smart dude. Michael himself made it clear that he isn't trying to be Jesus, but rather to be like him. I think that settles this theory.
Michael wouldn't claim he is something he isn't
the hoax refers to Jesus because thats a story of a Man who dies and comes back to life thats my opinion
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But you know what, Michael can be what he wants to be, all he needs is just the right silicon mask on <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: --> .
He earned this right.
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To be honest, I think Michael was and is and always will be a showman. He can play any role he wants.
jacilovesmichael wrote:
Andrea wrote:
EarthEnigma, from your blog:
If Michael Jackson is indeed alive, he is without doubt the most powerful tool at the illuminati’s disposal and he will be used to full effect.
I believe their most powerful tool is FEAR.
I have actually considered before what you said in your blog, that Michael is being used by TPTB. But, it makes much more sense to me that Michael is very much against their agenda and will expose them when he returns. He may have been under their influence many years ago but I truly believe that he is nobody's puppet.
Agreed.
I agree as well, he's not their puppet anymore, they don't control him anymore. He made that very clear in his silent panther dance and it was confirmed when they started to take him down. He is the puppeteer now. Mark MY words.
also agree
Antichrist is a Word made up by 'anti' and for 'Christ'. The word "anti", from the Greek [anti], means "instead of". In our language the word 'anti', means "against" and although the Antichrist when it appears it does is precisely that "being against'...
2 Thessalonians
"…the which is opposed to all that he is God and is the subject of worship…"
This word, the biblical meaning that bears is the of "get in the place of". The work of the Antichrist will be that, "put in place of" Christ and act as if he were Christ. It is the word 'anti' together with the word 'Christ' which means 'anointed' and is used in the Bible with reference to the Messiah, Jesus, has to do with "put in the place of the anointed."!
This is quite the opposite to what I perceive are the beliefs of Michael
I am new to the site, I have done nothing but research for months on all the speculation, in every direction, size, for, color, past tense, present tense, etc, etc,. I am a published poet, so I am always dissecting verses and lyrics and just interesting blogs/articles etc. to get ideas for my writing. What I am seeing evolving right before everyone's eyes, believers and non is one common denominator. We are all talking about Michael and what he stood for. His love of humanity and the world we live in and are destroying with every second that ticks on. We are hashing out if he pulled a hoax, I believe he has, but I believe it based on my research on other music industry performers and some of the lyrics they are now using, which leads right back to what Michael has always talked about. How many of us actually truly listened in the past 20 years alone to Michael talking about how we need to love one another? That this unity would build a world-wind of " Oh, I get it!" and spread even further out. I myself am writing poetry I didn't like to write. I don't write poetry about love because everyone always uses the same words, rainbows, love, stars, soul etc, etc. To me love is serious business and it's owed it's due. After reading a 100 of those in a sitting and reviewing them for the writer what can you can say? Nice use of stars with Mars??? No, He has changed my entire way of thinking because I get it.
This is the only way he could get the world at large to hear the message he has been delivering all his life but no one ever heard it. Oh they watch him say it, but they never really felt it. This man truly, in his soul(sorry had to use it) believes that love will save us and so do I. Me, being a product of no childhood, no pure honest love ever in my life, now at my age, I have found it because we are all talking about it through Michael. I have put it in my work.
Some of you my blow this off, and that's fine but being an extreme insomniac for the past 2 plus years, staying awake at least 34 to 42 hrs. at a time several times a week, having a horde of dr's who have no clue why, I can tell you no anesthetic will give you rest. You need REM sleep for rest. I probably take more meds in a day than Michael did in a month. My doctors have mixed my pain meds (2 kinds) with Ambien and Xanax. As you know Xanax is prescribed for anxiety. Mine is prescribed for sleep with the aide of Ambien. Usually 1 1/2 of each I double dose them both with pain meds and am still wide awake for days. The physical draw backs to all this is no energy whats so ever, shaking and being unbalanced, as well as diminished site and diminished appetite.
There is no way he could have been taking the drugs they claimed he was taking, much stronger than mine and with Propofol and preform in rehearsals they way he did.I believe he is accomplishing exactly the three things he needed most, first getting away to rest, second make sure his children are in safe hands while this plays out and third and most important, get the world to start talking.
The Illuminati are a part of this but not they way you think. They control the music Industry as well as governments all over the world and Michael used to wear their "brand" the red string. I have noticed in the past few years I have not seen him with one. I believe he knows his fans are smart and will figure this out and how do things spread?? By word of mouth. There are no dark forces working here on MJ's side, he wants us to understand that he is asking for our help to stop it on the other side. The Governments etc. It's only my opinion but some pretty strange things have been happening to me personally since I started researching and believing. My writing has kicked up to a level I never thought I could go to, and that is because I see the signs and know how to read them. And I not referring to just autopsy reports and people talking in present tense, it's a bit more complex than that yet right in front of your eyes. The more you discuss and compare notes and do the research you see it really is just as simple as Michael has always said. It's all about love, LO.V.E. It's one four letter word Michael lived his life by and all he wants is for the rest of to do what we are doing right, right now, pass it on, pay it forward, use whatever phrase you like, just get it out there, in unity we can take our world back. Read that again.....WE can take OUR world BACK. God gave it to us, not to the Governments and money whores. They can't beat us if we are all together in Michael 's plan. So, MJ, I get it and I hate hiding behind a screen name, love and saving our planet is nothing to be ashamed of, it's actually the only thing in 2011 that makes any sense at all.
Rottiestyl
This is the only way he could get the world at large to hear the message he has been delivering all his life but no one ever heard it. Oh they watch him say it, but they never really felt it. This man truly, in his soul(sorry had to use it) believes that love will save us and so do I.
…There is no way he could have been taking the drugs they claimed he was taking, much stronger than mine and with Propofol and preform in rehearsals they way he did.I believe he is accomplishing exactly the three things he needed most, first getting away to rest, second make sure his children are in safe hands while this plays out and third and most important, get the world to start talking.
Welcome to the forum! I agree that hoaxing his death has given MJ a world-wide platform to speak, that he wasn't able to have before. I feel sad you have to live under those conditions. It's interesting to have people who from first hand knowledge can say that no way MJ could have been taking all those drugs and performing.
GINAFELICIA » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:30 pm
Michael isn't Jesus second coming.
Michael is Archangel Michael
But you know what, Michael can be what he wants to be, all he needs is just the right silicon mask on .
He earned this right.
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To be honest, I think Michael was and is and always will be a showman. He can play any role he wants.
love you mj
Welcome to the forum! I agree that hoaxing his death has given MJ a world-wide platform to speak, that he wasn't able to have before. I feel sad you have to live under those conditions. It's interesting to have people who from first hand knowledge can say that no way MJ could have been taking all those drugs and performing.
Yes but it's those conditions I do live under that is helping me talk to people about this that I never would have before. Being awake for so many hours all the time gives me plenty of time to soak in what he is saying. You know, watching his homes movies with the pie fights, silly string all over his head, letting the kids smash raw eggs on his head, just plain good loving fun, Isn't this the way we all wish we had grown up? Watch him laugh during those times , it's the most real thing I have ever witnessed and THAT is what he wants us to talk about, getting families back AS families, love doesn't take a lot of energy or time with a child believe it or not. Once they know what you are showing them is real then they spread that as they grow. Michael is not just a talent and a genius, he is everyone's best friend, father, mother, he is simply love and if everyone would just pass a smile to the guy in the elevator or the woman in grocery store trying to handle 4 kids and lend her a hand, it's those things that bring people together. If you never saw the movie Pay it Forward, watch it, THAT is Michael Jackson.
Rottiestyl, thank you - you've said so much in just two posts that simply oozes love, understanding, truth and hope. I look forward to reading more from you.
Yeah those feelings have come accrossed to me too.
First was, he is so Jesus like (didn't want to mention it if it would be sensetive) and then thought, he might be the one coming back ( I am not religious though I belive this will happen, maybe not it being MJ but the event) as "jesus" not the Jesus but the Good one.
Then something just hit me. What if that is what they want us to belive. Because, first the false come, then the real.
Oh man... That is pure evil if they use Mj for that! (illuminati)
I got and get heartbroken just thinking about it.
But we will never know only if it happens.
I just know I wont run with open arms towards MJ without being careful, I will LOVE having him back but I will have an extra open eye cause... You don't know.
Things are happening out in the world, and more things are to come.
First come the false, then the real. But how do we know if the false haven't already came before MJ comes (if he comes back)...
I guess it come down to listening to your own gut feeling/instinct and go with it.
I appreciate all your kind words on my maiden input here but it truly is what I know. I can't explain it to you but I can tell you from the deepest part of my soul this is what is supposed to happen. We are all talking about it, even the media who treated him so badly is asking questions. I have written so many poems about the media and what they did to him. As long as we keep talking and what he stood for is the meat of the discussion I believe you all will see that' it really is just that simple. What simpler way to get us all focused on what it was he was about since he was 5 years old? Love. I have dedicated most of my own website to him because it has to get out there, past the blogs, past the YouTube videos. It has be talked about at dinner tables and coffee breaks.The family unit has to come back - The Earth song - WHAT ABOUT US? think about that, We are US. All this bickering and underhandedness has got to stop somewhere. Everything has a beginning, Michael had to leave for the beginning to start, it simply wasn't happening fast enough while he was here. He has changed me and believe me, I am as hard headed as they come. I don't trust people but he is changing that and I can not give you one concrete reason why it is happening but it is and NO ONE will ever pull me from GOD, ever. If it were not for Christ I would have been dead before I was 14 and many times over since. There is a force at work here but it is not a dark side around Michael, it's God giving us the miracle so many keep claiming they need to believe. Think of the turmoil he had to go through to make the decision to pull this hoax off. The sacrifices he is making. It will be worth it if we just keep that word of mouth going I spoke of in my first comments. You don't know me and have no reason to trust me but I trust that all of you will see it. It's right in front of you. It's ever bird you hear, every leaf that falls, every first winters snowfall. It's US. As MJ said - We Are The World.
L.O.V.E.
K. Mulroney
(V)
Tabbie Man
Cameras hang from your beams, a cheap plastic chime.
Not as vile as the operator, the incinerator of a man’s success.
What happened to fact, the pact of, journalism?
Does the slug eyed monster, truly spy with such hateful cluster?
How do you decriminalize, the compensation soaked in lies.
A life spent wearing a bush, living for that disdainful push.
With days scouring for insincerity, a glimpse of impropriety that never was.
Show me the fascination of this midnight meditation of the fiend’s next column.
When was pushin’ the truth under a beer stained cushion born?
A frenzied craze in hiding those unselfish acts that should have been praised.
A paparazzi shuffle for money and name, nothing but a killing game.
A literary snake whose rancid skin never changes just rearranges its slither.
And oh the compass is pristine; it carries the ping of a devastating murder of passion.
Now uncover your mirror tabbie man, if you can stand the devil who resides beside you.
Your ilk killed an icon, slaughtered the song, and executed the gift of the One.
Enjoy your greed before the revived returns, tickets are for sale to watch you burn.
I ask but one thing from the scandal whores, to measure your jaw from face to floor.
The tabbie mans dead pen lies dried in the rafters. Oh how sweet comes the laughter.
I belive he was unwillingly sucked in to the whole illuminati, the sing that make me so sure about it is the fact how famous he was, all fans and all the influence he could/can give to people. All the money he earned and so on.
BUT
Just because you are a part of or involved does NOT mean someone is evil!
Michael was taken advantage of, lets not call them illuminati but rather bad people.
(it is the same to me, and illuminati comes in many different degrees!)
Michael wanted out after the thriller album or maybe in the whole era of the thriller album, maybe he realized something. His music seem to have changed (messages) after that one. And then all the trashing begins (typicle illuminati, if they don't do what they have been told, they start messing with you)
Slow torture, public embarressment, a target, trying to destroy his image.
Maybe they did threaten to kill him if he did not change his ways (from good to bad)
He did not change.
If he knew they would kill him if he continued on, WHY, WHYYYY, not do anything about it. All the public talk about sony etc and the upcoming tour with all the messages. PLZ he must have known they would NOT let him do that!
Either he faked his death, or he got murdered. For me those are the only two possible things.
No way he comitted suicide!
But will he return if he faked his death?
I do belive he loves his fans extremly much, all people fans or not, but I don't know if that would make him return...
I don't know...
I belive he was unwillingly sucked in to the whole illuminati, the sing that make me so sure about it is the fact how famous he was, all fans and all the influence he could/can give to people. All the money he earned and so on.
I believe the same thing. He did not want to be controlled. They were and still are putting subliminal messages in the videos these artists do and even in some of the lyrics.When Michael stood up against Sony - they went after him. I believe all the accusations were set ups and he knew but couldn't come out and say anything. So he went after them by pulling away from them and still owning half of Sony's catalog. He made billions of dollars for Sony and they were not happy when he announced he was leaving them, so they trashed his album and then set him up and that is also one of the main reasons I think he thought up this hoax. I believe he has been working on this plan for YEARS. Just listen to some of the lyrics in his music after the 1993 accusations, which by the way Michael wanted to fight but his insurance company told him if he lost they would not pay it, so he was bullied into paying them off.
He was weary of it all and I believe that he knew his fans - the REAL fans would search out the truth. The so called autopsy report said both his lungs were infected and he had bronchitis. That he would have been short of breath most of the time. If you watched TII especially when he did Billie Jean, straight through, no stopping, full out dancing and singing, Not even out a breath a little bit, not only that, do you think he would have been able to still hit those high notes with infected lungs and bronchitis? My daughter has chronic bronchitis,and she loves to sing but any deep breath to hit a particular note causes her to start coughing.
I'm still researching MJ, I believe you. If you decide to come back some day, you know we are all here for you. We are getting the word out about the love Michael. It's slow, but it's happening.You have always had trust in your fans and we in you. We won't let you down.
correct me if I'm wrong: you think Michael will be used by Illuminati to "work" some kind of "ressurection" miracle that will fool the world into believing Michael is the saviour of the world, dropping him from clouds like Jesus?
well....everything is possible.
But your theory would make MJ the false prophet the Revlation book is talking about.
I hope this won't happen, but if it will, i would still love him.
I think there's no way MJ confused with the antichrist and false prophet (the second beast). The beast with 10 horns mentioned in the Book of Revelation is a powerful political government which dominates much of the land (just as the beasts of Daniel's visions, who had prophesied the rise of four great empires). And the second beast or false prophet is who has the task of convincing - by deception - the people to worship the first beast. MJ does not do this, media do it
I have a theory the end times are nearing in conjunction with the Mayan prophecy of the world ending in November 2012. In terms of the hoax and its structure and the cosmic significance of certain planetary alignments occurring at and around the time of November 2012, it may herald the theoretical Prime Zenith phase of celestial confluence which would see the return of Jesus and Michael in the Rapture. Jesus and Michael would gather up the souls of the righteous and transport them to heaven and leave the others to burn in the lakes of hellfire.
I love Michael
But I love Jesus more, way more, and if that's the case I will never listen to a mj music ever again or talk or hear about it ever again.
Jesus is the king in my heart
I respect people of all religions as long as they are following God, or the laws of the universe, doing good or right. It doesn't matter what religion you are following as long as you are following God. We shouldn't let religion separate us. So don't let all the talk about Jesus offend you. Jesus was a messenger of God and that won't change. I think Michael is following both Jesus and God so there is no worry. People are calling him another "Jesus" just because he is similar. This is a great thing and not a bad thing. The world needs help in a desperate way. If there is someone trying to help or save the world than that is SPECTACULAR !!!!!!! There aren't many who are trying to do it. I've read that he is an angel, an archangel, the second coming of Jesus, a lightworker, an extraterrestrial from the Pleides or a Pleidian. They are like humans from the future trying to help earth. I really don't know. Anything is possible. There is a lot we don't know. Anyway, I don't think it matters what you call it. If he is trying to spread love, and unify people and bring people together than we should help support it. There have been many enlightened people besides Jesus. Think about Muhammed, Moses,Buddha, Ghandi, Mother Theresa,Abraham and others. Anyway, I don't think we should turn anyone away that is spreading the message of God. Let's unify and get any help we can or else this world is not going to make it. It appears to me that Michael is spreading the messages of God and Jesus. Also, the timing is perfect with bible prophecies, and the Mayan prophecy and also astrology. So let us relax and see what happens. Just follow your heart, spread love, truth, and not hate. Hopefully if you do that it will work out. Peace and Love. michael-jackson/
<br />I respect people of all religions as long as they are following God, or the laws of the universe, doing good or right. It doesn't matter what religion you are following as long as you are following God. We shouldn't let religion separate us. So don't let all the talk about Jesus offend you. Jesus was a messenger of God and that won't change. I think Michael is following both Jesus and God so there is no worry. People are calling him another "Jesus" just because he is similar. This is a great thing and not a bad thing. The world needs help in a desperate way. If there is someone trying to help or save the world than that is SPECTACULAR !!!!!!! There aren't many who are trying to do it. I've read that he is an angel, an archangel, the second coming of Jesus, a lightworker, an extraterrestrial from the Pleides or a Pleidian. They are like humans from the future trying to help earth. I really don't know. Anything is possible. There is a lot we don't know. Anyway, I don't think it matters what you call it. If he is trying to spread love, and unify people and bring people together than we should help support it. There have been many enlightened people besides Jesus. Think about Muhammed, Moses,Buddha, Ghandi, Mother Theresa,Abraham and others. Anyway, I don't think we should turn anyone away that is spreading the message of God. Let's unify and get any help we can or else this world is not going to make it. It appears to me that Michael is spreading the messages of God and Jesus. Also, the timing is perfect with bible prophecies, and the Mayan prophecy and also astrology. So let us relax and see what happens. Just follow your heart, spread love, truth, and not hate. Hopefully if you do that it will work out. Peace and Love. michael-jackson/ <br />
<br /> suspicious// :? :? <br /><br />Religious unity/universalism, while nice sounding, is presumptuous. Everyone has their own beliefs, problem is some of them are irreconcilable (ESPECIALLY when Christianity is in the mix). Personally, if MJ's "message" conflicts with my personal Faith in Jesus Christ (whom I believe is more than another enlightened person) I couldn't support him. That being said I don't think MJ has a theological message in the hoax, it's a more immediate to bring certain facts about our world to light.
I wasn't implying that anyone should change their beliefs. I was just thinking that history doesn't stop. It keeps going and of course other events will occur as long as the world continues to spin. What happens in the future is never going to change what already happened in the past including the story of Jesus. When I was talking about unifying I was thinking that the world needs to be united and not divided if we are going to survive and move forward. People need to start working together. Peace and Love. moonwalk_/
We've all heard Michael say at least 5 times that he is not Jesus but is trying to live like Jesus. Because of that he dressed in glowing white and came on stage in GB having children come to him to be blessed, and at least one person was offended running up on stage to moon the audience because he said, "He looked like he thought he was Jesus and that was offensive." Others have talked about the similar type of crucifixion of Michael Jackson. Back talked about the reigns of Jesus Christ and Michael Jackson being the same but only different times. So in the case of MJ's Bam possibly being a spectacular holographic or similar appearance simultaneously seen around the globe, if he is just simply trying to be like Jesus, then I guess that's still okay, right? Because that's what I think is coming, but I could be totally wrong on that. With or without TPTB's help, it's okay with me, because I firmly believe that God's blessing is resting upon his life. The description of the anti-christ in Revelations doesn't describe MJ in the slightest, I guess whatever happens happens, and I believe it will be good for all mankind! His message is love and healing the world, that there is one religion and that is love!<br /><br />
hessouttamylife<br />As far as Jesus and the anti Christ goes, I feel if people just follow their hearts and do what they know is right, it doesn't matter who comes. Michael Jackson never asked anyone to do anything that in my opinion could be considered a cardinal sin. He never asked anyone to give him anything in return for all he gave. His only request, to love ourselves, our children and all living things on the planet. Many think there is evil in Michael evidenced by his entrancing ability, his onstage body language, and supposed subliminal messages in his music. I don't get it, but I will say this, If that's what the anti Christ has chosen to use to betray and control the people, then I guess I'm just going to have to go to hell.
<br /><br />I agree except hell is a misinterpretation/mistranslation of the Bible, mostly by the church to exercise control over the masses. There are many excellent Bible studies on this online. Hell is the grave.<br />
IMO. Michael will be the one who stop illuminati from hurt the people and the planet <br />i investigate the Freemason and Illuminati just simply becoz of michael and i also believe that they will do sth in 2012. and i strongly believe michael will come back in 2012 becoz if Illuminati do sth next yr'<br />i don't think michael will just sit and watch. it's not him if he just let it happen.i don;t mean if he dont come back<br />he's bad; what i mean is that if there is no other things to restrict mj and sure he will be back<br />but you know we don't know what will happen next on <br />so what i do is pray for mj
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1. Technically he wasn't necessarily a carpenter.
2. Mark (the oldest gospel account) has a "derogatory" euphemism alluding to the controversy surrounding his birth (he is referred to as Mary's son, Joseph isn't even mentioned in that book. Take that into consideration when you read the birth accounts of Matthew and Luke.) As well as Paul's epistles mentioning him being formed by a woman.
3. Most scholars (including Bart Ehrman whom I generally disagree with believe he likely wasn't married). This is due to his message about the coming of the kingdom of God (and his own actions that would usher it in). Either Jesus knew he was going to die (and raise from the dead) or he thought the kingdom imminence meant he be there in his life time. A common theme of early Christians was not be be married (not that it was condemned but it wasn't a good idea). The idea that he was married came from a 2nd or 3rd century sect.
4. The apochrypha was removed due to there late datings, gnostic leanings, and inconsistent messages. (In many ways they make Jesus more mystic than the canon gospels and Paul's epistles do.)
This all is a discussion with a black hole, just as it is e.g. for the subject: what was first, egg or hen.
As I already mentioned, my theory is quite simple, and I believe in the idea Jesus spread, it´s not important if Jesus was a carpenter or not, or if Joseph was his dad or not.
The carpenter thing isn't really a big deal and we're all entitled to our own opinions. But it is important whether or not Jesus was a "wise yet otherwise normal man" or if we was actually divine. If the latter is true, it gives his words much more authority than if he was just a smart dude. Michael himself made it clear that he isn't trying to be Jesus, but rather to be like him. I think that settles this theory.
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the hoax refers to Jesus because thats a story of a Man who dies and comes back to life thats my opinion
Michael is Archangel Michael <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
But you know what, Michael can be what he wants to be, all he needs is just the right silicon mask on <!-- s:twisted: -->:twisted:<!-- s:twisted: --> .
He earned this right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To be honest, I think Michael was and is and always will be a showman. He can play any role he wants.
also agree
Antichrist is a Word made up by 'anti' and for 'Christ'. The word "anti", from the Greek [anti], means "instead of". In our language the word 'anti', means "against" and although the Antichrist when it appears it does is precisely that "being against'...
2 Thessalonians
"…the which is opposed to all that he is God and is the subject of worship…"
This word, the biblical meaning that bears is the of "get in the place of". The work of the Antichrist will be that, "put in place of" Christ and act as if he were Christ. It is the word 'anti' together with the word 'Christ' which means 'anointed' and is used in the Bible with reference to the Messiah, Jesus, has to do with "put in the place of the anointed."!
This is quite the opposite to what I perceive are the beliefs of Michael
This is the only way he could get the world at large to hear the message he has been delivering all his life but no one ever heard it. Oh they watch him say it, but they never really felt it. This man truly, in his soul(sorry had to use it) believes that love will save us and so do I. Me, being a product of no childhood, no pure honest love ever in my life, now at my age, I have found it because we are all talking about it through Michael. I have put it in my work.
Some of you my blow this off, and that's fine but being an extreme insomniac for the past 2 plus years, staying awake at least 34 to 42 hrs. at a time several times a week, having a horde of dr's who have no clue why, I can tell you no anesthetic will give you rest. You need REM sleep for rest. I probably take more meds in a day than Michael did in a month. My doctors have mixed my pain meds (2 kinds) with Ambien and Xanax. As you know Xanax is prescribed for anxiety. Mine is prescribed for sleep with the aide of Ambien. Usually 1 1/2 of each I double dose them both with pain meds and am still wide awake for days. The physical draw backs to all this is no energy whats so ever, shaking and being unbalanced, as well as diminished site and diminished appetite.
There is no way he could have been taking the drugs they claimed he was taking, much stronger than mine and with Propofol and preform in rehearsals they way he did.I believe he is accomplishing exactly the three things he needed most, first getting away to rest, second make sure his children are in safe hands while this plays out and third and most important, get the world to start talking.
The Illuminati are a part of this but not they way you think. They control the music Industry as well as governments all over the world and Michael used to wear their "brand" the red string. I have noticed in the past few years I have not seen him with one. I believe he knows his fans are smart and will figure this out and how do things spread?? By word of mouth. There are no dark forces working here on MJ's side, he wants us to understand that he is asking for our help to stop it on the other side. The Governments etc. It's only my opinion but some pretty strange things have been happening to me personally since I started researching and believing. My writing has kicked up to a level I never thought I could go to, and that is because I see the signs and know how to read them. And I not referring to just autopsy reports and people talking in present tense, it's a bit more complex than that yet right in front of your eyes. The more you discuss and compare notes and do the research you see it really is just as simple as Michael has always said. It's all about love, LO.V.E. It's one four letter word Michael lived his life by and all he wants is for the rest of to do what we are doing right, right now, pass it on, pay it forward, use whatever phrase you like, just get it out there, in unity we can take our world back. Read that again.....WE can take OUR world BACK. God gave it to us, not to the Governments and money whores. They can't beat us if we are all together in Michael 's plan. So, MJ, I get it and I hate hiding behind a screen name, love and saving our planet is nothing to be ashamed of, it's actually the only thing in 2011 that makes any sense at all.
Just my humble newbie opinion.
K. Mulroney
(V)
Yes but it's those conditions I do live under that is helping me talk to people about this that I never would have before. Being awake for so many hours all the time gives me plenty of time to soak in what he is saying. You know, watching his homes movies with the pie fights, silly string all over his head, letting the kids smash raw eggs on his head, just plain good loving fun, Isn't this the way we all wish we had grown up? Watch him laugh during those times , it's the most real thing I have ever witnessed and THAT is what he wants us to talk about, getting families back AS families, love doesn't take a lot of energy or time with a child believe it or not. Once they know what you are showing them is real then they spread that as they grow. Michael is not just a talent and a genius, he is everyone's best friend, father, mother, he is simply love and if everyone would just pass a smile to the guy in the elevator or the woman in grocery store trying to handle 4 kids and lend her a hand, it's those things that bring people together. If you never saw the movie Pay it Forward, watch it, THAT is Michael Jackson.
First was, he is so Jesus like (didn't want to mention it if it would be sensetive) and then thought, he might be the one coming back ( I am not religious though I belive this will happen, maybe not it being MJ but the event) as "jesus" not the Jesus but the Good one.
Then something just hit me. What if that is what they want us to belive. Because, first the false come, then the real.
Oh man... That is pure evil if they use Mj for that! (illuminati)
I got and get heartbroken just thinking about it.
But we will never know only if it happens.
I just know I wont run with open arms towards MJ without being careful, I will LOVE having him back but I will have an extra open eye cause... You don't know.
Things are happening out in the world, and more things are to come.
First come the false, then the real. But how do we know if the false haven't already came before MJ comes (if he comes back)...
I guess it come down to listening to your own gut feeling/instinct and go with it.
L.O.V.E.
K. Mulroney
(V)
Tabbie Man
Cameras hang from your beams, a cheap plastic chime.
Not as vile as the operator, the incinerator of a man’s success.
What happened to fact, the pact of, journalism?
Does the slug eyed monster, truly spy with such hateful cluster?
How do you decriminalize, the compensation soaked in lies.
A life spent wearing a bush, living for that disdainful push.
With days scouring for insincerity, a glimpse of impropriety that never was.
Show me the fascination of this midnight meditation of the fiend’s next column.
When was pushin’ the truth under a beer stained cushion born?
A frenzied craze in hiding those unselfish acts that should have been praised.
A paparazzi shuffle for money and name, nothing but a killing game.
A literary snake whose rancid skin never changes just rearranges its slither.
And oh the compass is pristine; it carries the ping of a devastating murder of passion.
Now uncover your mirror tabbie man, if you can stand the devil who resides beside you.
Your ilk killed an icon, slaughtered the song, and executed the gift of the One.
Enjoy your greed before the revived returns, tickets are for sale to watch you burn.
I ask but one thing from the scandal whores, to measure your jaw from face to floor.
The tabbie mans dead pen lies dried in the rafters. Oh how sweet comes the laughter.
K. Mulroney
(V)
BUT
Just because you are a part of or involved does NOT mean someone is evil!
Michael was taken advantage of, lets not call them illuminati but rather bad people.
(it is the same to me, and illuminati comes in many different degrees!)
Michael wanted out after the thriller album or maybe in the whole era of the thriller album, maybe he realized something. His music seem to have changed (messages) after that one. And then all the trashing begins (typicle illuminati, if they don't do what they have been told, they start messing with you)
Slow torture, public embarressment, a target, trying to destroy his image.
Maybe they did threaten to kill him if he did not change his ways (from good to bad)
He did not change.
If he knew they would kill him if he continued on, WHY, WHYYYY, not do anything about it. All the public talk about sony etc and the upcoming tour with all the messages. PLZ he must have known they would NOT let him do that!
Either he faked his death, or he got murdered. For me those are the only two possible things.
No way he comitted suicide!
But will he return if he faked his death?
I do belive he loves his fans extremly much, all people fans or not, but I don't know if that would make him return...
I don't know...
I believe the same thing. He did not want to be controlled. They were and still are putting subliminal messages in the videos these artists do and even in some of the lyrics.When Michael stood up against Sony - they went after him. I believe all the accusations were set ups and he knew but couldn't come out and say anything. So he went after them by pulling away from them and still owning half of Sony's catalog. He made billions of dollars for Sony and they were not happy when he announced he was leaving them, so they trashed his album and then set him up and that is also one of the main reasons I think he thought up this hoax. I believe he has been working on this plan for YEARS. Just listen to some of the lyrics in his music after the 1993 accusations, which by the way Michael wanted to fight but his insurance company told him if he lost they would not pay it, so he was bullied into paying them off.
He was weary of it all and I believe that he knew his fans - the REAL fans would search out the truth. The so called autopsy report said both his lungs were infected and he had bronchitis. That he would have been short of breath most of the time. If you watched TII especially when he did Billie Jean, straight through, no stopping, full out dancing and singing, Not even out a breath a little bit, not only that, do you think he would have been able to still hit those high notes with infected lungs and bronchitis? My daughter has chronic bronchitis,and she loves to sing but any deep breath to hit a particular note causes her to start coughing.
I'm still researching MJ, I believe you. If you decide to come back some day, you know we are all here for you. We are getting the word out about the love Michael. It's slow, but it's happening.You have always had trust in your fans and we in you. We won't let you down.
K. Mulroney
I think there's no way MJ confused with the antichrist and false prophet (the second beast). The beast with 10 horns mentioned in the Book of Revelation is a powerful political government which dominates much of the land (just as the beasts of Daniel's visions, who had prophesied the rise of four great empires). And the second beast or false prophet is who has the task of convincing - by deception - the people to worship the first beast. MJ does not do this, media do it
I couldn't of said it better.
But I love Jesus more, way more, and if that's the case I will never listen to a mj music ever again or talk or hear about it ever again.
Jesus is the king in my heart