<br />[size=10pt]TS,darling I had already told about the "FAKE" fans/reporters ,lol,but it seems that is you that didn't noticed.The FAKE fans are actors and to name 2 of them,here they are:<br />1.BJ Hickman[/size]<br /><br /><br /><br />[size=10pt]Recently he was at Murray trial also ;D :[/size]<br /><br />
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<br /><br />[size=10pt]2. Mo'Nique from movie PRECIOUS geek/ ,she played as the SELF role,lol lolol/[/size]<br /><br /><br /><br />[size=10pt]As about THE AMBULANCEs ,there were 2 and it's CLEAR like the DAY LIGHT,lol !!!!<br />Thank you and LOVE you very much!!!<br />[/size]<br />
<br /><br />Dear Applehead,<br /><br />First, you have given no explanation for WHY there would need to be more than one ambulance, nor WHY Michael would NEED to hire stalker fans to be in on the hoax. There are so many "Justice for MJ" fans, why would he need to hire a few extra??<br /><br />Just because someone is an actor, does not mean that they are in on the hoax--otherwise, almost all of Hollywood (plus all other actors around the world) are in on the hoax.<br /><br />Furthermore, even IF some stalker fans were in on the hoax (for some strange reason), yet you would also need MANY other people in on the hoax, in order for the multiple ambulance theory to work. And again, WHY??<br /><br />Finally, if it is "clear like daylight" that there were 2 ambulances (unless you mean the fire truck and ambulance), then could you please share that evidence with others here--and not keep it to yourself?<br /><br />Thanks. ::P
<br />TS...you seem very ruffled or annoyed. I could just be imagining it......hopefully so. <br />...<br />
<br /><br />Sorry if I seemed ruffled. I am not angry at anyone, but it is a little frustrating when the grand solution to every problem is merely "well, they are in on it".<br /><br />Anyway, I do appreciate everyone here, and all the investigation work that is being done--if not, I would not be spending time here myself.<br /><br />Love to you, too, wishingstar!<br /><br /> ;D<br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Awwww...I just got home from a 6+hour drive home and saw your note...thank you TS. I am glad you're not, "ruffled" .....I am sure it must be frustrating beyond words at times. Very true, at times we (myself included) seem to just say everyone and their grandma must be, "in on it". I do think we will be amazed at just who is, and who isn't in on it. Given the circumstances of this adventure, it's unlike anything we have ever encountered, we have all done a remarkable job. I am constantly amazed by people's perceptions, their abilities to find facts and their consistent love for a guy that most of the world thinks is dead. Never in a million years would I have believed I'd be doing this.....never. Yet, here I am well over my 1000th post........that's what I find unbelievable. <br />TS.....whoever you are, you're here for the long haul. I appreciate your hard work........thanks for the love. <br /><br />Blessings Always
<br />There are differences in the videos, for example by cars, in the video of Ben at a given time you can see a white car after it is replaced by one black, if the idea was to make room for an ambulance why replaced a car for the other?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The following video is very good, it is a comparison between the video of Ben and the Hollywood TV and not coincide in nothing<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />All of the things in these pictures and videos are just angle differences, and time differences (seconds or minutes of difference, but not different days).<br /><br />The shot with the white car is taken from farther right, so the black SUV's are probably there but blocked by the angle of the shot and the gate. Later, the white car is not in the shot because it was probably driven away by one of the employees leaving, as Ben mentioned.<br /><br />The video with still shots inset are not lined up in time, and also are taken from different angles. That is why the gate looks more open in one shot, versus the other.<br /><br />And now, "let's do it one more time": WHY, OH WHY, would there NEED to be more than one time that the ambulance was at Carolwood, with everyone and everything exactly the same (or at least 99.99% the same, and maybe one tiny difference in an elusive shadow or something somewhere)?
TS said:<br /><br />"let's do it one more time" (as Michael said in TII).......simply put: for rehearsal. It's all I got right now....I need a sleepy smilie.<br /><br />Blessings.......
<br />There are differences in the videos, for example by cars, in the video of Ben at a given time you can see a white car after it is replaced by one black, if the idea was to make room for an ambulance why replaced a car for the other?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The following video is very good, it is a comparison between the video of Ben and the Hollywood TV and not coincide in nothing<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />All of the things in these pictures and videos are just angle differences, and time differences (seconds or minutes of difference, but not different days).<br /><br />The shot with the white car is taken from farther right, so the black SUV's are probably there but blocked by the angle of the shot and the gate. Later, the white car is not in the shot because it was probably driven away by one of the employees leaving, as Ben mentioned.<br /><br />The video with still shots inset are not lined up in time, and also are taken from different angles. That is why the gate looks more open in one shot, versus the other.<br /><br />And now, "let's do it one more time": WHY, OH WHY, would there NEED to be more than one time that the ambulance was at Carolwood, with everyone and everything exactly the same (or at least 99.99% the same, and maybe one tiny difference in an elusive shadow or something somewhere)?<br />
<br /><br />There was only one ambulance at one time....the rest is HIStory.
Why can't Serenity's Dream/Wednesday post here? She isn't "trashing" anyone, but is instead posting useful info; perhaps she had a change of heart.<br /><br /> TS, I love your logical, reasonable thinking and answers when reponding to people. Logicality is so, unfortunately rare :-|.<br />Thanks for the vids too.
<br />@in general: Someone did post about the green screening theory and it was seconded by someone else... few pages back when it was beginning to spiral into the obscure for the 7247th time.<br />
<br /><br />Yes it was mentioned a few pages back, with someone posting a video about green screening...and I only agreed with this bit.;<br /><br />
It looks like the sky's the limit these days when it comes to creating illusions.
<br /><br />...and that WASN'T in relation to June 25th or the Ben video, it was to the hoax in general...so let me clarify, I didn't agree with the GS theory...if this theory is what happened on June 25th, MJ might as well not have faked his death at all.
TS, I believe we have discussed the discrepancies with the alleged different ambulances, shot on different days theories in this thread. The videos that the poster are claiming to be filmed at different times, with more than one ambulance, were in fact shot on the same day with 1 ambulance. One video was edited and they also appear to have been "shot at different times" because of the angles. All of the details for example; the hubcaps and tourbus, prove it was shot with one ambulance on June 25 because every other 'detail' in the scene remains the same. <br /><br /> It is simply the angles and lighting that are different, thus, other details that couldn't be seen before at the previous angle(s) make them appear to have happened on different occasions. In the Hollywoodtv vid, the tour bus can in fact be seen around 1:36-37 in the second video.<br /><br /><br />Edit: This post is in response to the videos posted by TS.
I changed my mind about the videos and am convinced since a little while that<br /> 1) the different videos were taken the same day at exactly the location outside the mansion<br /> 2) the differences are due to different angle and height of the camera, being either under the trees or in the middle of the street in plain sunlight
<br /><br />Grace I agree with you ;D.<br /><br />Oh it was funny when you said you measured them with the ruler
<br />@in general: Someone did post about the green screening theory and it was seconded by someone else... few pages back when it was beginning to spiral into the obscure for the 7247th time.<br />
<br /><br />"@in general" the green screen theory arose after I questioned why it was that the date of the end of filming the Dome Project (9 June) was deliberately brought to our attention on Verdict day by the Jury and/or Judge Pastor. <br /><br />That's all......end of story.<br />
All of the things in these pictures and videos are just angle differences, and time differences (seconds or minutes of difference, but not different days).
<br /><br />Clear as daylight. I agree.<br /><br />TS said:<br />
And now, "let's do it one more time": WHY, OH WHY, would there NEED to be more than one time that the ambulance was at Carolwood, with everyone and everything exactly the same (or at least 99.99% the same, and maybe one tiny difference in an elusive shadow or something somewhere)?
<br /><br />I hate to say it again but you are right about this one too.<br />And I hate to say it this was my option from page 1, yet here we are, how many pages later crash/?!<br /><br /><br /><br />
<br /> Why can't Serenity's Dream/Wednesday post here? She isn't "trashing" anyone, but is instead posting useful info; perhaps she had a change of heart.<br />
<br /><br />She is not trashing anyone NOW, you should have seen her a few months ago. I don't like it when people trash me or anyone else on here and then come back under a different username without at least saying sorry, hoping I won't otice. That is sneaky. So SD, you know where the PM button is, I suggest you use it. <br /><br />
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Uhm....I have a question and please, please don´t bash me for not knowing.... /white flag/<br /><br />I have done so much reading, looked at so many videos...I am missing out on one fact and here is my question:<br /><br />What is the official indication of time for the arrival of the ambulance at UCLA?<br /><br />Would anyone be so kind as to give me an answer on that one....please <br /><br />Thank you
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
LOL, I posted that at 11:11:11 (Dutch time) :shock:
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<br /><br />Well I'm so glad the dust has settled and we can see a little more clearly THE ambulance journey on June 25, 09, and we are hopefully all on the same page, to head off to 7b. moonwalk_/ You have to admit TS, that with your purposeful timing, we had a lot of time to be throwing around 1000 theories with little intervention on your part. So you can hardly blame us for straying too far, and I don't blame you for getting frustrated that we weren't getting it. I suspect that you beforehand knew the rate we would "get" things, like a good strategist. Like the game of charades we just weren't interpreting clues fast enough. I've relied a lot on my colleages who have sharp memories, and eagle eyes. I feel proud that we work as a team.<br /><br />BeTheChange
<br /><br />I do support the 'one ambulance at Carolwood and UCLA on June 25th' theory because I can see the logic of doing it that way. But I gotta say, from a 'critical' point of view (i.e. if we explained all this to a non-believer), they could/would question how we can believe anything we have either seen or heard from the same people we 'claim' have lied in the past in one way or another (for whatever reason). We believe that Ben 'lied' about the ambu pic, but he's telling/showing the truth in the ambu vid....we can't prove that the 911 call was real, but we're gonna use the paramedic's arrival time in the theory, etc. TS, of course, may have info that we don't have that would prove the 'one ambulance' theory concretely...but based on what we have to go with, it's difficult to determine when the lies stop and the truth begins with each 'character'.<br />[size=9pt]I'm not trying to debunk the theory cause God knows I wanna close this chapter...if anything, I'm trying to strengthen the 'one ambulance' theory. I guess at some point you have to trust in something, despite previous 'lies'.[/size]
<br />TS<br />
But it is much better if others help; then I do not get accused (as much) of brain washing everyone, and this whole forum is just a bunch of people who can't think for themselves, and blindly follow TS.
<br /><br />[size=9pt]We've enjoyed thinking for ourselves in the midst of so much opposition from outside. Did you foresee the storms of doubts, confusion, emotion, euphoria, imagination, finding craploads of all kinds of internet info in the process, and/or sadness that have been swirling around in our heads on this trail? My 'helpful' husband keeps telling me you are just some guy deceiving us all. Believe me that our antennas are constantly alert for danger, and our eyes are wide open as we head[/size] to the MJ "Frontier".<br />
<br /><br />Video 2:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />As for the reflectors, the video maker is comparing a clear and higher resolution picture (UCLA) to a rushed, low quality screen from a video. The red reflector is there, but blends into the red of the ambulance, simply because of pixelation. The round reflector seems oval simply because it's a picture where the ambulance is in motion, it moves to the right. I am sure that if you would try to put that ambulance on the same ambulance in a picture where it is not in motion, that this ambulance will appear longer as well. <br /><br />The tire at UCLA is shot at a 45 degree angle, which is why the seem to differ. This is hard to explain, but here is a picture that shows oval parts in the middle, but we all know that when you look at it right in front, that they will be round. I hope someone gets what I am saying here:<br /><br /><br /><br />The shadow issue is again because of a low quality image (still from Ben's picture in the video) and that picture is way lighter than any of the other images. It's shot from a distance and at a lower point. <br /><br />As for the picture of the screen in the firetruck: they probably made it with the windows closed. Time enough to get a good shot, since the firetruck is not moving.<br /><br />I will look at the last one later on.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
<br /><br />Video 2:<br /><br />As for the reflectors, the video maker is comparing a clear and higher resolution picture (UCLA) to a rushed, low quality screen from a video. The red reflector is there, but blends into the red of the ambulance, simply because of pixelation.
<br /><br /><br />you are right. i also agree that it blends due to pixelation, however they are seperate. it is there, you are right. reflector is just less defined in this footage.<br />
<br /><br /><br />The tire at UCLA is shot at a 45 degree angle, which is why the seem to differ. This is hard to explain, but here is a picture that shows oval parts in the middle, but we all know that when you look at it right in front, that they will be round. I hope someone gets what I am saying here:<br /><br />
<br /><br />again, you are right. and totally get what you are saying here. a good way to think of this is to get a plastic or cardboard tube (say aluminium foil cardboard tubing) and slice it at a 45 degree angle. front on, look into the tube. the opening will appear circular in shape. however look at the tube from the left side and the opening now appears to be oval in shape. two shapes depending on angle viewed at, but really the source hasnt changed. its the same cardboard tube.<br /><br />you are right about the wheels. it depends what angle you look at the wheels from, as well as what angle the wheels are at when the vehicle is parked, i:e steering turned slightly, etc.<br /><br />one ambulance with different appearances.
@Souza Ofcourse you and everyone are due an apology from SD. I didn't know whether or not she had done that or tried behind the scenes. As for the being sneaky under a new user, it's probably because she was ashamed and embarrassed by her previous ranting lol. Sneaky but understandable.<br /><br />And the tire I mentioned in my previous post, isn't different, it's just caused by the angle. Everything in those vids the poster is trying to say proves multiple ambulances etc., really are only due to angle and lighting only. The screenshot of the data info in the firetruck was obviously done beforehand aswell in my opinion.
Somewhat off-topic:<br /><br />I feel the need to explain why I posted the 'green-screen' video, since it is being 'referred' to in a not-so-positive light. From the beginning of this thread, I have supported the 'one ambulance' theory and have written several (at times, lengthy) posts as to why I support it. The 'theory' was so clear in my mind, in fact, that I wrote (on the same day the thread was started) that we could 'wrap this up by the end of the weekend'.<br /><br />Given the many 'logical' explanations from members as to why this theory makes sense...I was sure that we'd quickly be moving on to 7b. When that didn't happen (i.e. TS didn't 'chime' in)...I wrote another post stating that the reason could be that TS hasn't had time to read the thread OR the date for 7b is predetermined OR we're missing something and until we find it, we're not gonna proceed. We had absolutely NO control over the first two options/reasons...but we did have control over the third.<br /><br />Because the June 9 date and the mysterious Dome Project are interesting for several reasons and because some members had brought up the use of 'green-screening' I began looking into it because my knowledge about it is very limited. In order for me to support or eliminate any theory, I need to 'study' it before making a decision about it...it's just the way my mind works. I hadn't even entertained the idea and this is evident since the first time I even 'hinted' at the possibility was on page 25 of this thread.<br /><br />I came across the 'green-screen' vid as I was researching the topic and decided to share because it IS fascinating and thought others would enjoy it as well. Could the entire ambulance 'events' at Carolwood and UCLA have been green-screened? Technically, I'm sure they could have been...logically, it doesn't make as much sense as simply having a real ambulance there.<br /><br />It's unfortunate that, at times, certain theories and/or members are made to look stupid and/or ridiculous...especially considering the myraid of theories that have been around from the beginning...some of which, as 'ridiculous' as they were labelled, turned out to be great contenders. I am open to any theory, until I can make a decision on it either way....but that decision will never be because TS supports or doesn't support it, or that it's the general consensus, or because I 'like' it. It will only and always be because I have remained open enough to research it (as ridiculous as it may seem) and because I think/thought for myself in reaching any conclusions.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
(@BeTheChange, you don't need to defend yourself. I'm the one who believes MJ is playing the part of his own corpse waltzing through UCLA doors and sitting up in the helicopter... I mean, talk about ridiculous.) <br /><br />
<br /><br />Okay, just watched the first one and debunked it. The videomaker claims that the one filming the first part of the Hollywood TV video runs away before he can film the right side of the ambulance, but he or she is wrong. There are two guys in black shirts in the video at a certain point and the one filming disappears behind the tourbus (probably filming the side of the ambulance), while the other guy with black shirt runs back. They switch positions around 0:17 in the TMZ/Starline video.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Agreed, he/she is wrong. I concur with what Souza wrote. We debunked this in 2009. There are 2 black shirted camera guys. They cross behind the ambulance at the furthest back up point and switch places as it begins to pull away. It's an optical illusion. One black short runs to the side to "get the shot", the other stands a moment and then runs towards the tour bus's perspective.
Thanks bec...I usually don't feel the need but felt it this time. And I'm with you on the MJ 'waltzing' around town that day lol...as ridiculous as it is, I can totally picture Mike doing it <br /><br />As for the vids TS posted...I know that a lot of what is said in the vids was debunked a long time ago. I had mentioned one thing yesterday, though, that they also mention in the vid but I can't make sense of it. Perhaps it, too, was debunked a long time ago and I just never saw the explanation for it. Where is the Starline tour bus situated when the cam guy runs back to his car (in Ben's vid)? Based on the 'fan' vid, the bus should be aligned with the firetruck but I don't see it in Ben's.<br /><br />If anyone can clear that up for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. It's sorta the final 'lingering' doubt I have as to everything having been filmed in real time on June 25th. An explanation would help remove that doubt.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
@ BeThChange,<br /><br />You know what, you took the time to discover the possibbillitys, and i'm happy you do that, even it turns out to be not a possibillity at the end.( thats ivestigating) and yes i do appreciate that you and many others do these things .For what its worth.....These posts from you and many others are really appreciated by me, thank you bearhug<br /><br /><br /><br />
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.""For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."