I was gonna post this in the 'Songs you listen to' thread...but wanted it post it here. Beautiful song and video (fanmade)...it fits the thread...and so much more...at least for me.<br /><br /><br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.<br /><br /><br /><br />
What about this passage from Colossians? <br /><br /> Colossians 2:13-19 (KJV)<br /><br /> 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;<br /><br /> 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;<br /><br /> 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.<br /><br /> 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:<br /><br /> 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.<br /><br /> 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,<br /><br /> 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.<br /><br /><br /> Christ = New Beginning ?
There are many interpretations of the "mark of the beast " and the seal of God.<br />This is an interpreacion that I read. <br />Where we have to be sealed? In our front. His act is in our hearts. In the New Testament his promise is:<br /><br /><br />"This is the Covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will give my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them". Hebrews 10: 16.<br /><br /><br />The Holy Spirit puts the seal of God in our fronts when the select; . The front contains the Frontal lobe. In this section of the brain is where our conscience. When you receive the seal of God on his forehead, this means you leads him on his conscience. You come to believe in him. You are loyal and faithful.<br /><br /><br />"Remember you have to the (Saturday) Sabbath day to sanctify it;" six days work, and do all thy work; but the seventh day will be resting for Jebová your God; don't make it some work, your, or your son, or your daughter, nor thy servant, your servant, your beast or your alien that is within your gates; because in six days Lord made the heavens and the Earth, the sea and all things that in them there is, and was on the seventh day; "therefore Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Exodus 20: 8-11.<br /><br /><br />Which is the seal of the beast?, there are people who relate it to the day Sunday, others say that the stamp will be received in one hand. It has to do with the economic aspect.<br /><br />Receiving in the hand means that when the mark is put in place by "the image of the beast", they her continue, not because they believe in it, but in order to have the advantage of buying and selling, to preserve their work and for their lives. The hand is a symbol of work with which wins the daily sustenance.
I've been reading and asking people who know more than these issues I, anyone that can see me, only with the Bible, I am obliged to keep the Sunday Holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Catholic Church. The Bible says, 'remember the day Saturday to keep Holy it". The Roman Catholic Church says, ' No. My Divine power I cancel on Saturday and send to keep Holy the first day of the week.' And behold! "The civilised world kneels in reverent obedience to the mandate of the Holy Catholic Church".<br /><br /><br /><br />
Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (Catechism of the Catholic doctrine of the converts) (1957), p. 50.<br /><br /><br />"Question:"<br />What is the Sabbath day?<br /><br /><br />"Answer:"<br />On Saturday.<br /><br /><br />"Question:"<br />Why we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?<br /><br /><br />"Answer:"<br />"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"I understood that how much God does, is durable, and anything you may add or remove." "God makes it so that men reverencien" Eclesiastes 3: 14
A thought occurred to me as I read over The Sign's post: if the ark of the covenant was the "contract", and Yeshua's blood is the "signature", then wouldn't whatever the ark held at the time be the "terms and conditions" of the contract? Is this why TS brings up Ron Wyatt; Wyatt says he found the stone tablets inside of the ark, so the ark contained the stone tablets when it was "signed"; ergo, assuming Ron Wyatt is legit, all ten commandments are legally binding to Christians under the new contract/covenant. <br /><br />I don't think this changes any of what we have discussed so far considering that Yeshua, during his earthly life, taught people how to keep the spirit of the law over the letter.<br /><br /><br />
The four angels lifted up the top of the Ark and said, "Reach in, take the Ten Commandments out. When a world-wide law is passed forcing men to violate the Law of God, then they will be shown to mankind." Mr. Wyatt handed the 10 C's to one of the angels who placed them on a shelf in the cave along with the video showing their removal. The Ten Commandments are on two tablets of stone and have writing on both sides. They are written in Proto-Aramaic.<br /><br />[...]<br /><br />When a law is passed forcing men to violate the law of God, independent genetic scientists will perform their own analysis of the blood of Christ and will reveal the test results to the world. Everyone will have an opportunity to see the Ark on video, and some people will be able to see the Ten Commandments in person. Everyone on earth will have an opportunity to accept Jesus as their Savior and ask forgiveness of their sins. Shortly after this the Lord will return. God is providing a simple yet effective show-and-tell demonstration to the world. Some will be moved to follow God, but the majority will continue following self and will not repent. The vast majority of the world have grown up in a false form of worship and need an opportunity to come into the truth and follow their Creator. God will use the Ark and Christ's blood to finish spreading the Gospel to the world, then He will return.
Jesus did not teach to keep the spirit of the law OVER the letter of the law, he merely explained that if you kept the spirit of the law, you would automatically not break the actual law. It was an advise to show how it would be easier to keep the law.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
We are redeemed from the Law as the Bible says:<br />
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us : for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree:
<br />http://bible.cc/galatians/3-13.htm<br /><br /><br /><br />And...Christ became OUR sin for US as a perfect Sacrifice after He fulfilled the Law Himself, as man himself was not able to:<br /><br />
For he has made him, who knew no sin, to be sin for us; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
<br />http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/5-21.htm<br /><br />I still want to (and will probably) write more regarding the MoB.<br /><br />Sorry I haven't written the last few days. I needed sleep really badly. <br />
<br />@ bindupbrokenhearted<br /><br />+1 on all your posts as usual... <br />We should grab a coffee or something!! beerchug<br /><br /> <br />
<br /><br />Thanks Jono!<br /><br />I always like coffee! You know, when Mike returns, we can all enjoy not only coffee but also Bamcakes per Front's promise (hopefully not brown and moldly Bamcakes)!!! <br /><br />
<br />Thanks Jono!<br /><br />I always like coffee! You know, when Mike returns, we can all enjoy not only coffee but also Bamcakes per Front's promise (hopefully not brown and moldly Bamcakes)!!! <br />
<br /><br />Mmm... bamcake... I'm looking forward to it!.. You know, I wounder where this bamcake party is going to be at??<br /><br /> party/ michael-jackson/<br /><br /> Or is Mr. Front going to send each one of us our own bamcake? That's a looot of cake!!
Thanks for bringing up Galatians 3; I think I've got it now. <br /><br />So, not only did he teach us how to better and more easily keep the commandments (Souza), but he also took away the "curse"—any penalties, or negative consequences—for missing that mark (bindupbrokenhearted). In keeping with "the contract" analogy then, the "curse" clause was removed, but the moral specifications remain the same. Oh, and then a stipulation to provide "coverage" for the Gentiles so they too can be included in the blessings promised to Abraham. <br /><br />
[size=14pt]Galatians 3:26-29[/size] (NIV)<br /><br /> [size=8pt]26[/size] So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, [size=8pt]27[/size] for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [size=8pt]28[/size] There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [size=8pt]29[/size] If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
<br /><br />Plus the gift of the "invisible companion" (The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of Truth, The Comforter, et cetera).<br /><br />
[size=14pt]John 14:16[/size] (KJV)<br /> [size=8pt]16[/size] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;<br /><br />[size=14pt]John 16:13-14[/size] (NIV)<br />[size=8pt]13[/size] But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. [size=8pt]14[/size] He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
<br /><br /> Is there anything else I'm missing or is that pretty much what the New Covenant is about?<br /><br />
<br /><br />lmao Have you ever tried to do a Youtube search by typing: "Michael Jackson white dove" ?? <br /><br />NO? / Yes? <br /><br />This is what I got: :shock: :? smiley_spider WTF??<br /><br />
I wonder if there is a possibility that the hoax was designed to represent Yom Kippur rite
<br />If that is what is happening then I think we should not expect BAM untill 2015 because it is written in Daniel 2300 days will be needed for the sanctuary to be cleansed<br /><br />
Daniel 8:14<br />King James Version (KJV)<br /> 14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.<br />Leviticus 16:17<br />King James Version (KJV)<br /> 17And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.<br />Revelation 15:8<br />King James Version (KJV)<br /> 8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
<br /><br />lmao Have you ever tried to do a Youtube search by typing: "Michael Jackson white dove" ?? <br /><br />NO? / Yes? <br /><br />This is what I got: :shock: :? smiley_spider WTF??<br /><br /><br />
<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Yes, i think we all remember the chapter of South Park of the ark and Michael,... acacia is a masonic symbol, TS insisting,. don't be fooled with the theme of the Ark of the Covenant, where we will take all of this? bangbang
[size=9pt]Jesus did not teach to keep the spirit of the law OVER the letter of the law, he merely explained that if you kept the spirit of the law, you would automatically not break the actual law. It was an advise to show how it would be easier to keep the law.[/size]
<br /><br />I would agree, but the only thing is that Jesus’ words are addressed to and meant for Israelites, and Paul’s words are addressed to us, Gentiles.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt. 15:24 (KJV)
<br /><br />]Nefertari<br />
[size=9pt]If that is what is happening then I think we should not expect BAM untill 2015 because it is written in Daniel 2300 days will be needed for the sanctuary to be cleansed[/size]
<br />[size=9pt]Are you taking into consideration that Daniel was writing while in captivity, after the first temple was destroyed in 586 BC?[/size]<br /><br />[size=9pt]About the Ark of the Covenant and MJ on Southpark.[/size]<br />[size=9pt]Here’s the big bunny in Honey, I blew up the kid”. Watch at 7:38.[/size]<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3wEgA9Wtd8&feature=related<br />There’s apparently an 18 foot tall version. The bunny picture on the wall is more like the Southpark bunny.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Isn’t this similar to the bunny depicted on the Ark/MJ episode on Southpark?<br />http://theguardpost.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/06/michael-jackson-south-park-and-the-ark-of-the-covenant.html<br /><br /><br />
I'm_convinced, you quoted the wrong post. Perhaps you should have quoted the one which was addressed to me and not bindupbrokenhearted. In that post you literally said: "If we refuse to worship on a Sunday, we will not recieve the mark of the beast." Therefore, my question was not at all "ignorant", far from it. Since you stated this law has nothing to do with what anyone believes, than my question to you was: Why do you care if you are receiving the mark by worshipping on a Sunday, if the whole point in the Bible of not wanting the MOB, has to do with being saved? If it didn't, than no one would care they are receiving the MOB, much less if they don't even believe in God or the devil. If the law had nothing to do with what each of us believe, than that would contradict the purpose of the law.<br /><br /> My question posed to you had nothing to do with who was on this site for 2 yrs. or not; but the topic at hand. I don't think you are understanding anything I have written at all, but that's okay. Whatever you believe in is perfectly fine with me, having a difference of opinion doesn't mean I have no respect for yours. <br /><br /> The issue with the basis of this law, is it cannot guarantee to anyone that you or I will even leave our house on a Sunday; let alone go to a place of worship. People can refuse Sunday sabbath, without "them" knowing. People cannot refuse a chip without "them" not being aware. So it's a flawed idea really, that's why the chip sounds more logical, IF the MOB was to merely be one literal thing.<br /><br /> And Do, the chip being in use currently on people could be very likely.<br /><br /> I also think people have turned this into semantics and an issue of keeping laws, when I didn't get that from TS' post at all. What I did get, is this is very much an issue of faith alone.
This news i found by casualty on the internet, the search in english and wasn't found.<br /><br /><br />Historic pre-agreement between Israel and the Vatican: the Church would give up sovereignty over the Cenacle, in Exchange would receive the Temple of access to the site<br /><br />Progress in the talks between Israel and the Vatican on a historic agreement on economic and financial affairs. The understandings were reached at a meeting held last weekend between the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Israel, Danny Ayalon, and the vice chancellor of the Vatican.<br /><br />After 18 years of tough negotiations, the parties reached a breakthrough of a historic agreement on economic and financial affairs. In addition, the Catholic Church agreed to renounce their demand to receive sovereignty over the upper room (the place where was carried out "The last supper") on Mount Zion.<br />As reported by the Jewish Agency for news (AJN) the Catholic Church agreed to renounce his demand for sovereignty over the upper room (the place where was carried out "The last supper") at Mount Zion in Jerusalem. In return, Israel agreed to consider give the Church access to the site and even consider a rental option.<br />It was also agreed that the Vatican will begin to pay a property tax reduced its assets in Israel. The sides reported that both officials had reached an agreement in advance which will begin to be implemented to finalize the negotiations of the agreement.<br /><br />http://www.religionconfidencial.com/roma/072049/historico-preacuerdo-entre-israel-y-el-vaticano-la-iglesia-renunciaria-a-la-soberania-sobre-el-cenaculo-a-cambio-recibiria-el-templo-de-acceso-al-lugar<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />A symbolism that probably no one will want to admit, but that is true. And so the Zionists so demand. His greatest desire is to build your beloved Temple and prepare for the arrival of their Messiah rise up around the world as true descendants of God. The real instigators of all the evil that takes decades besieging Palestinians. And coincidentally his top supporters, are the large Israeli bankers and their descendants, those that thanks to their extortion to world Governments; They promote wars and sow confusion. They actually are evil personified, and with this step by the Catholic Church close them a little more to your goal, what as always happens at all, no vera that is nonsense. But it should be delving into the history and see where by far comes the nonsense, that the facts are those that are and nothing and nobody can change them. They did not hesitate to support movements as diverse as the nazis and the Communists, they did not hesitate to blackmail to England to get his goal (his beloved promised land) and now do not hesitate to make giving up to the Church of Rome to put at the top of the NWO... imagine that now begin already accustomed words always... conspiracy, fantasy! Crazy! :?
Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it? And the answer is: all of the above! It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.
<br />My problem is how these all fit together. How can The Sign #1 be taken so completely seriously when the other aspects/reasons are to be taken somewhat less seriously and artistically, and for an ARG and "escape" from reality?
@Grace: Wow :shock: spiritual layers everywhere. I completely forgot about the AEG contract.<br /><br />@Suzy7: What do you mean by "faith alone"? There seemed to be a heavy emphasis on physical evidence in The Sign's message.<br /><br />edit: remembering TS' older posts, I would have to disagree that it has nothing to do with keeping commandments<br /><br />
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<br /><br />Almost everyone knows that the Ark of the Covenant was designed to contain the Ten Commandments—which are based on the two main concepts of love for God, and love for mankind (see Matthew 22:36-40); it’s all for love. If everyone in the world was following the Ten Commandments right now, then we wouldn’t need to heal the world—because the world would not be sick!!!<br /><br />
<br /><br />@MJonmind: I suppose the different roles do not necessarily have to overlap, just like an individual compartmentalizes different areas of their lives: they may have one life with one group of people, and then take on a completely different role when in a different setting, with a different set of people. <br /><br />@paula-c: I found one in English<br /><br />
[size=14pt]Israel, Vatican Reach Agreement on Sovereignty Issues[/size]<br />By: Jewish Press Staff<br />Published: January 31st, 2012<br />The agreement was the culmination of almost two decades of negotiations between Israel and the Vatican.<br /><br />In understandings reached last weekend between Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon and his counterpart from the Vatican, the Church renounced its demand for sovereignty over the location of the “Last Supper” on Mount Zion in Jerusalem. In addition, the Vatican agreed that it would start paying property tax on properties in Israel. In return, Israel agreed to consider giving the Vatican first priority in leasing opportunities and access to the site.<br /><br />The agreement was the culmination of almost two decades of negotiations between Israel and the Vatican.
For sure just keeping the Sabbath and the other 9 commandments doesn’t mean a person is “saved.”<br />There are other groups that keep the Sabbath and have nothing to do with Jesus, and are connected with evil.<br /><br />
Numerous sources have claimed that Adolph Hitler's real father was a Rothschild and this assertion is not off the wall. Hitler's mother was working as a maid on a Rothschild estate when her son was conceived either through an affair or rape. No less an authority as the History Channel, in a Jan./04 series on dictators, revealed that Hitler razed the Austrian town he was born in, "to destroy all hints of his Jewish father." Could Hitler have been a Sabbatean?<br /><br />** In the 1940s, the Warburg connection to Hitler was exposed in a startling book by one of their own, Sidney Warburg. He wrote that he was sent to Hitler's court to fnance Hitler's rise with American funds funneled through the Warburg banking operation in Hamburg. For further confirmation, read Anthony Sutton's, Wall Street And Hitler. And who was Felix Warburg allied to but Chaim Weizmann? <br /><br />** Sabbatean Labor Zionism concocted a dreadful tradeoff with the Nazis, which resulted in 50,000 indoctrinated German Jews escaping to Palestine from 1933 to 1939. The 3 million Jews of Poland were too religious to join the enterprise. And those who weren't religious largely supported the moral and proud scions of Zeev Jabotinsky, known at the time as the Revisionist Zionists. <br />http://www.rense.com/general49/hhee.htm<br />
Interesting message. The challenge of searching the truth within a web of lies intricately woven to deceive. It’s not just about the test of faith, but also forgiveness not violence, seeing past our prejudices. Trusting our faith, and having the courage to speak the truth.<br /><br />These quotes stood out for me. <br />“But those defending the truth will have no need or desire to engage in any type of physical battle. Well then, if the battle of Armageddon is all about the ark of the covenant, and the truth that it is designed to represent, then it’s high time we figure out how to distinguish the true ark from the many counterfeit arks out there.”<br />“God would not design the ark of the covenant to represent symbolic error (angels on the throne); no, He would design it to represent the truth (angels beside the throne). “ <br />The rabbis had a saying: “The sins of everyone who strictly observes every law of the Sabbath, though he be an idol worshiper, are forgiven.”<br />“Most of us have been so accustomed to seeing and hearing fiction for so long, that it may be hard to believe the truth when we are confronted with it.” <br />
Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it? And the answer is: all of the above! It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.
<br />My problem is how these all fit together. How can The Sign #1 be taken so completely seriously when the other aspects/reasons are to be taken somewhat less seriously and artistically, and for an ARG and "escape" from reality?<br />
<br /><br />Good question. But in a way, the movie Moonwalker is very similar. It's a little bit of everything with a common thread throughout.
Is this part of the training for the army of love?<br /><br />The thread is spreading to so many issues that it's difficult to keep up with all the ideas.<br />Who is smart enough to summarize the redirect to the essential of it?
Melody, his post very much emphasized faith; but also faith based upon evidence. I have stated many times in my posts in other threads, that the Bible among many other things, is the the evidence I use as the support of my faith. For some in this thread, Ron's Ark "discovery" is considered as their evidence, to others it is not. So, it's up to the individual to determine what evidence they will use as the supporting foundation of their faith. Still, faith is what is of importance, not tangible evidence as the Bible states at Corinthians 5:7.<br /><br /> I don't know who you're directing your comment to about TS not saying to NOT keep any commandments, because I didn't state such. The law I am referring to is sabbath. TS said this: "Almost everyone knows that the Ark of the Covenant was designed to contain the Ten Commandments; which are based on the two main *concepts* of love for God, and love for mankind (see Matthew 22:36-40); it's all for love!" No where did he state one must keep sabbath, but rather what the concepts of the commandments require of us, which is: love and faith. Love for God is why the sabbath was kept by the Israelites, but as I and more importantly the Bible have said many times, is that sabbath does not need to be kept by anyone anymore. Through our love and faith in God everyday is how we show appreciation to him. Those concepts of love TS mentioned, are what the New Covenant is about. Simply abiding by the laws of love Jesus gave us, is how one becomes "like Jesus." MJ is a perfect example of these laws, and how he expressed that these laws are what we need to place as a priority, specifically love. People are focusing on the one law of keeping sabbath rather than the idea of why it was kept in the first place, and ignoring the law(s) more important to humanity and God---love.<br /><br />Mjonmind, I agree 100%.
<br /><br />I know :roll: <br />just kidding lol<br /><br />But really...an army needs training doesn't it? <br />We need to be prepared, even if we're not sure what for WTF??<br />
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"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."