For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
It could be the start of that demonstration...it could show how an innocent man's life (remember he pleaded notguilty) can be distroied (even though he could be aquited, his immage, his name are dammadged forever); and in the end we should understand how important is not to jump to conclusions, to think twice before considerring someone a bad person, or (maybe the most important) not to spread a bad oppinion about someone unless we are really, really convinced about that thing. I can't understand why we are able to understand those things when some dear person is involved in such a situation, but in the next minute we can repeat the exact same mistakes, judging another person who could face a similar situation. Maybe (I hope) this case will turn to be a lesson for every body to understand...with love.
*EDIT Well, I see Grace explained it perfectly...there is where I'm comming from too <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I can see how we are learning that lesson now, but the rest of the world thinks this is real and that he's dead, so how does the rest of the world learn the lesson? How does he ultimately get vindication? We just watch it happen again and learn from it, just us? If it goes down that way then those who are the problem (corrupted media/government/everything) aren't going to learn the lesson, that's for sure. How does that make a difference? I'm sorry, but I will be really disappointed if this is all there is to it...just to watch it happen again to someone else, and then happen again to someone else (since no one else learned the lesson), and then again and again, etc. Doesn't make sense. I think he will come back eventually to expose this corruption to the world...not saying I have any idea of when or how, but I think he will eventually...all the clues and messages (including TIAI) seem to point to him coming back at some point (at least for me). Besides, according to Joe Jackson's publicist he loves and misses the fans <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ...have you all seen this? I doubt she was talking about Joe...
Good remark about the last page of the coroner's report.
There is more to the report than just this date. And there's more that happened that day than this date appearing on a page.
The bloody T-Shirt picture was published on 09/09/09 on radaronline.com - remember? The one with the 3.99 price tag. Originally this picture however dates from 08/06/09 (as the picture properties revealed).
09/09/09 was also the day when the kids were said to continue school at home.
It was the day that Mary J. Blige supposedly (on TMZ) denied her contribution and Chris Brown finally refused to starr at the Vienna tribute.
It was also the day Janet Jackson was said to open the VMAs with a tribute to Michael.
And it was the day TMZ reported about a potential "wrongful death" lawsuit by the family against Doc Murray.
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For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
I agree. The problem also if Mj doesn't come back he has left the world who think he is dead believing he died drug addicted & in debt - I know that sounds really bad (of course we know he is not). I just can't imagine he would want that. If he wanted to disappear he would have faked his death very differently and seamlessly and not left all the clues for us.....no-one would be any the wiser......I believe Mj will be back and for a VERY good reason.....not just for the BAM. It's just up to him...no-one else is in control of when he returns.
Re-directed again!!! <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D -->
Yep redirected again
I totally agree...although I'm not getting a different redirect from yesterday...?
In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> is this it <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
OMG!!! i'm so glad u found what 09/09/09 referred to, ForstAMoon! hair sample?? maybe they're gonna say that the DNA from the hair sample doesn't match MJ's DNA?? that'll just rock the world!!!
Totally...then he'll be classified from dead to missing...?
TIAI After reading and seeing the circus yesterday ,........ I'm very very happy <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
In points 3-2 and 3-3 TS says that the posting dates and times are important. This third update was posted on February 7th at 2:07. Therefore 02-07 and 02:07. So adding each part gives two 9’s and a third one is that there are 9 points in this 3rd update. Therefore 999. I guess the 090909 update will be on March 9.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding the number stuff (I'm better w/visuals rather than numbers/calculations), but thanks for explaining. In other words, I don't understand how 999=March 9 (03/09/10=09/09/09). I noticed that TINI now redirects to your post, so you must be on the right track somewhere...lol Anyway, I guess I'll look forward to the 09/09/09 update on 3/9/10...lol
BTW the best is yet to come? I hope so, because today was terrible. Still hoping, still beLIEving, but must admit I'm a little shaky after today...maybe I need a pep talk.
i understand that 09/09/09 is important in the prediction - do you think it may be the Coroner's Report??? - look at the last page (with hair sample examination):
- the date at the bottom says 09/09/09 <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> is this it <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
now is redirecting to this post!
I'm feeling like we are all playing CLUE.. you know? going from room to room, guessing who did what, where, with wich weapon... but maybe here it is more like.. we know who.. still need to find when, and where.. we already know the way (or we believe we know it!)
lots of L.O.V.E
Totally weird...okay I'm back...also w/the help of a good friend who reminded me of a lot of clues and showed a couple of interesting photos...check these out, if you haven't already...
Do you know, what's really funny to me about that?
In the first articles I read about MJ's death on German news sites on June 26th, they showed a pic of a white man and said it was Dr Murray - and it was NOT Dr Klein. And I'm not lying - he was close to this guy. I'm not saying it was him, because I don't recall his looks exactly, but he had a rather light greyish beard and it was also that kind portrait background.
I read the talk about "the white Murray" on another forum, but when I opened the link, the pic was already removed from that website.
Really, it took me 3 or 4 days - probably as long as Murray was "missing" - to finally find out, that Murray was a black man!
I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months. I just wish the whole thing had never happened...It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride of emotions and confusion from the beginning. I just want it to be over...stop the ride I want to get off.
I cry ocassionally just watching the beautiful man n his videos on youtube. I miss him so much. I dont like this journey. Im ready for it to stop. Everyone thinks i am crazy. Im tired of everyone laughing at me. I have a select few whom i can even discuss this with who wont laugh. I love Michael Jackson and i dont care who knows that. He is a good man. I want him to come back and show himself and tell all these accusers "SHAME ON YOU!" Lets get it done and over with.
I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months. I just wish the whole thing had never happened...It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride of emotions and confusion from the beginning. I just want it to be over...stop the ride I want to get off.
I cry ocassionally just watching the beautiful man n his videos on youtube. I miss him so much. I dont like this journey. Im ready for it to stop. Everyone thinks i am crazy. Im tired of everyone laughing at me. I have a select few whom i can even discuss this with who wont laugh. I love Michael Jackson and i dont care who knows that. He is a good man. I want him to come back and show himself and tell all these accusers "SHAME ON YOU!" Lets get it done and over with.
I cry too sometimes watching the videos and looking @ pictures. He's so beautiful and such a sweetheart and I miss him so much. I don't discuss this w/people who I don't think would be open-minded enough for it...like I said in a previous post...my husband would have me committed...lol Anyway, I'm feeling better than I was yesterday, but at the same time I wonder sometimes how long I can last with this.
I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
the only thing i noticed was that it says the mike was in a yellow casket covered in white towels and sheets but by august wouldnt he have had on his "outfit" that he wore for the viewing? and why would they undress him?
From what I can see by this latest redirect. The hair was collected on 6 August 09 and the report date finalised was 090909....6 days after Mj's funeral!!!!
So where are the results of this analysis??????? What does this mean?
I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
the only thing i noticed was that it says the mike was in a yellow casket covered in white towels and sheets but by august wouldnt he have had on his "outfit" that he wore for the viewing? and why would they undress him?
I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
There's more in the report not only on that page. Just try to read all the 23 pages. This is what made me wonder so far:
- no middle name of the decedent on top of the report
- they state that Murray was performing CPR on the floor from the begginning, not on the bed, even though they mention that they listened the 911 call.
- at 18.11 hour the rigor mortis was not present? is that possible?
- external urin catheter? urin retention? makes me think of Klein
- propofol in stomach contents? how come ?
- tubular adenoma of colon? wth is this?
- surgical scar on his right abdomen but his appendix is intact?
- caterer, pneumonia, bronchitis, but he was able to rehears the night before?
- they mention the vitiligo, but not the loupus
- how did that person identify MJ when he was collecting hair samples, if all that he could see was the hands & head? Only by the tag? Is that normal?
- the thing that shoked me the most (and I couldn't see its relevance): discribing how the neck organs were pulled out together with the tongue and that there were 3 little things on his tongue... I had to repeate ten times to miself: "it's not true, it's a hoax" in order to chase away that immage. But i couldn't help not to think about this as to a methaphoric way of sugesting an attempt to "silence" MJ
- 3 photographs of a silver BMW 645 Ci taken on 29-06-09? lol
Then, on the court, how funny the judge is just warning the good doc "I don't want you sedating people". So not to repeat an action that is ilegal anyway. It is like I would tell my son "Now you can continu to play, but please don't brake your toys anymore"
And the show goes on
For those who lost hope seeing Murray charged, this is another kind of prediction regarding what could happen next (credit to sephia71 from michaeljacksonhoax.lefora):
"it will never go to trial anyway. i'm 90% positive he's going to take a plea deal [bargain]. the max he can get is 4 years. if it goes to trial they will need a change of venue [good luck with that!]. for a 4 year sentence they will whittle it down to 2 years house arrest, 2 years probation/community service, with a hefty fine and limit his practice priviledges. the jacksons will then take him to civil court for wrongful death suit and be awarded a lump sum paid out by his malpractice insurance. the insurance probably won't cover the total amount paid out, so they'll sue him for the difference personally [which he'll file bankruptcy on of course because he has no assets]. now we know why nothing was in his name.[clever!]
if he goes to jail, the inmates will kill him.[i'm not even exaggerating on that!]. that's why the lawyers were so eager for him to surrender and had bond ready. they don't want him in there with the other inmates. since the judge agreed to bond [thinking he's not a flight risk], they must already be talking plea deal. it's an involuntary manslaughter case. they aren't going to spend millions of dollars on a trial with only a 4 year sentence. what they will do is make a "poster child" out of murray. if you thought naomi campbell picking up trash was as punishment for her brush with the law was amusing, hold on to your seat belts for what they will make murray do!
i think this is very real. but i also think they have to go through the steps to keep mj hidden. this also signals to me that he's not coming out of hiding either. all i can say is, murray must have been paid a king's ransom to suffer like this. 75,000 bond? yeah wonder who fronted that? [smile]"
The problem I have w/that theory is where's the BAM? What's the point...to screw a guy over (to possibly go to jail and be killed, as was said) and hide forever? Doesn't sound like MJ to me. How is this "The Greatest Demonstration for Freedom"? I think he has to come back at some point, in order to expose the media/government corruption and conspiracy he's been speaking (and singing) about all these years. Otherwise it seems like there's no point to this.
It could be the start of that demonstration...it could show how an innocent man's life (remember he pleaded notguilty) can be distroied (even though he could be aquited, his immage, his name are dammadged forever); and in the end we should understand how important is not to jump to conclusions, to think twice before considerring someone a bad person, or (maybe the most important) not to spread a bad oppinion about someone unless we are really, really convinced about that thing. I can't understand why we are able to understand those things when some dear person is involved in such a situation, but in the next minute we can repeat the exact same mistakes, judging another person who could face a similar situation. Maybe (I hope) this case will turn to be a lesson for every body to understand...with love.
*EDIT Well, I see Grace explained it perfectly...there is where I'm comming from too <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I can see how we are learning that lesson now, but the rest of the world thinks this is real and that he's dead, so how does the rest of the world learn the lesson? How does he ultimately get vindication? We just watch it happen again and learn from it, just us? If it goes down that way then those who are the problem (corrupted media/government/everything) aren't going to learn the lesson, that's for sure. How does that make a difference? I'm sorry, but I will be really disappointed if this is all there is to it...just to watch it happen again to someone else, and then happen again to someone else (since no one else learned the lesson), and then again and again, etc. Doesn't make sense. I think he will come back eventually to expose this corruption to the world...not saying I have any idea of when or how, but I think he will eventually...all the clues and messages (including TIAI) seem to point to him coming back at some point (at least for me). Besides, according to Joe Jackson's publicist he loves and misses the fans <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ...have you all seen this? I doubt she was talking about Joe...
Tklein, I never said is not possible for him to comeback. But honestly, do you think "the rest of the world" will just take his word when he will try to explain his reasons? And what do you mean by "the rest of the world"? Did you noticed how nasty we can be here, in these forums where we talk about love and care and understanding? In these conditions can you imagine what "the rest of the world" is capable of? IMHO we still have to learn and to emprouve our love before the next step. PEACE & LOVE to you!
OK, I'm going to risk looking stupid here, but how does 2009-04415 = 7 ????? 2+9+4+4+1+5=25! OK, LOL, as I type this I figured it out! 25 is 2+5=7. Maybe someone else is slow like me and will appreciate this!! CHEERS!
I am also tired of this game, there are too many emotions and you are playing on all of them, I say enough already !!!
Ditto...I haven't cried this much as I did today in months. I just wish the whole thing had never happened...It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride of emotions and confusion from the beginning. I just want it to be over...stop the ride I want to get off.
I cry ocassionally just watching the beautiful man n his videos on youtube. I miss him so much. I dont like this journey. Im ready for it to stop. Everyone thinks i am crazy. Im tired of everyone laughing at me. I have a select few whom i can even discuss this with who wont laugh. I love Michael Jackson and i dont care who knows that. He is a good man. I want him to come back and show himself and tell all these accusers "SHAME ON YOU!" Lets get it done and over with.
I know MJ felt that exact way many many times in his life. Im not saying he wants people to feel what he felt but maybe he does, so as to better understand him. Dont lose hope sweetie. I almost did on Monday but I kept solidering on and now Im more conviced then ever that he is still among the living.
MJ IS a good man and he needs us!!!
TS,
You are the most awesome person ever (other then MJ himself LOL!). Whenever I feel like giving up or lose hope like I was on Monday, you bring me back to life. Thank you for this and for your work in helping us "see" what is going on......I havent posted much on your threads, but I always read them and they are SOOOOO intriguing!!!
I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I feel so ALIVE afterwards!!
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I can see how we are learning that lesson now, but the rest of the world thinks this is real and that he's dead, so how does the rest of the world learn the lesson? How does he ultimately get vindication? We just watch it happen again and learn from it, just us? If it goes down that way then those who are the problem (corrupted media/government/everything) aren't going to learn the lesson, that's for sure. How does that make a difference? I'm sorry, but I will be really disappointed if this is all there is to it...just to watch it happen again to someone else, and then happen again to someone else (since no one else learned the lesson), and then again and again, etc. Doesn't make sense. I think he will come back eventually to expose this corruption to the world...not saying I have any idea of when or how, but I think he will eventually...all the clues and messages (including TIAI) seem to point to him coming back at some point (at least for me). Besides, according to Joe Jackson's publicist he loves and misses the fans <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> ...have you all seen this? I doubt she was talking about Joe...
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L.O.V.E
There is more to the report than just this date. And there's more that happened that day than this date appearing on a page.
The bloody T-Shirt picture was published on 09/09/09 on radaronline.com - remember? The one with the 3.99 price tag. Originally this picture however dates from 08/06/09 (as the picture properties revealed).
09/09/09 was also the day when the kids were said to continue school at home.
It was the day that Mary J. Blige supposedly (on TMZ) denied her contribution and Chris Brown finally refused to starr at the Vienna tribute.
It was also the day Janet Jackson was said to open the VMAs with a tribute to Michael.
And it was the day TMZ reported about a potential "wrongful death" lawsuit by the family against Doc Murray.
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I totally agree...although I'm not getting a different redirect from yesterday...?
Totally...then he'll be classified from dead to missing...?
Do you know, what's really funny to me about that?
In the first articles I read about MJ's death on German news sites on June 26th, they showed a pic of a white man and said it was Dr Murray - and it was NOT Dr Klein. And I'm not lying - he was close to this guy. I'm not saying it was him, because I don't recall his looks exactly, but he had a rather light greyish beard and it was also that kind portrait background.
I read the talk about "the white Murray" on another forum, but when I opened the link, the pic was already removed from that website.
Really, it took me 3 or 4 days - probably as long as Murray was "missing" - to finally find out, that Murray was a black man!
I cry ocassionally just watching the beautiful man n his videos on youtube. I miss him so much. I dont like this journey. Im ready for it to stop. Everyone thinks i am crazy. Im tired of everyone laughing at me. I have a select few whom i can even discuss this with who wont laugh. I love Michael Jackson and i dont care who knows that. He is a good man. I want him to come back and show himself and tell all these accusers "SHAME ON YOU!" Lets get it done and over with.
I cry too sometimes watching the videos and looking @ pictures. He's so beautiful and such a sweetheart and I miss him so much. I don't discuss this w/people who I don't think would be open-minded enough for it...like I said in a previous post...my husband would have me committed...lol Anyway, I'm feeling better than I was yesterday, but at the same time I wonder sometimes how long I can last with this.
or maybe its the 9th outline of the 9th update on the 9th day of march?
hmmm...I can understand that bit of numbers...maybe?
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I wonder is there more on that page that we should know about besides the date?
So where are the results of this analysis??????? What does this mean?
Yeh that is weird too. Not sure about that.
Add them up = 7
how surprising................ <!-- s
..the "7" mesmerizes me every time anew - it´s simply stunning! <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
- no middle name of the decedent on top of the report
- they state that Murray was performing CPR on the floor from the begginning, not on the bed, even though they mention that they listened the 911 call.
- at 18.11 hour the rigor mortis was not present? is that possible?
- external urin catheter? urin retention? makes me think of Klein
- propofol in stomach contents? how come ?
- tubular adenoma of colon? wth is this?
- surgical scar on his right abdomen but his appendix is intact?
- caterer, pneumonia, bronchitis, but he was able to rehears the night before?
- they mention the vitiligo, but not the loupus
- how did that person identify MJ when he was collecting hair samples, if all that he could see was the hands & head? Only by the tag? Is that normal?
- the thing that shoked me the most (and I couldn't see its relevance): discribing how the neck organs were pulled out together with the tongue and that there were 3 little things on his tongue... I had to repeate ten times to miself: "it's not true, it's a hoax" in order to chase away that immage. But i couldn't help not to think about this as to a methaphoric way of sugesting an attempt to "silence" MJ
- 3 photographs of a silver BMW 645 Ci taken on 29-06-09? lol
Then, on the court, how funny the judge is just warning the good doc "I don't want you sedating people". So not to repeat an action that is ilegal anyway. It is like I would tell my son "Now you can continu to play, but please don't brake your toys anymore"
And the show goes on
and the new cd 7even.. <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I know MJ felt that exact way many many times in his life. Im not saying he wants people to feel what he felt but maybe he does, so as to better understand him. Dont lose hope sweetie. I almost did on Monday but I kept solidering on and now Im more conviced then ever that he is still among the living.
MJ IS a good man and he needs us!!!
TS,
You are the most awesome person ever (other then MJ himself LOL!). Whenever I feel like giving up or lose hope like I was on Monday, you bring me back to life. Thank you for this and for your work in helping us "see" what is going on......I havent posted much on your threads, but I always read them and they are SOOOOO intriguing!!!
I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I feel so ALIVE afterwards!!