Here's a picture of Usher and Lenny Kravitz. According to IMDB, Usher is 5'8.5". Yet he looks shorter than (or the same height as) Lenny in this picture. So obviously Usher must have a double too! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> haha
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He wasn't replaced, because besides doubles, I definitely see the real deal after '93 as well, just with a LOTTA make-up and wigs, there must have been a reason for this. On many pictures you can see he made his upper lip appaer fuller, and his bottom one thinner. Also a lot of make-up on his eyes to change the shape. One big illusion, he truly is a master of disguises.
Exactly. I'm not really sure what was the first time this double has came into the picture ( i'm talkin' abt the one with the feminine features, thinner nose and "hangin", round eyes - i'm almost sure that he were used in the "Rock my world" video, maybe in the "You are not alone" also, it's hard to tell, but something is definitely OFF on the photos from that video also) maybe around the marriage with LMP, but i've realized that since that time MJ started to use white eye-liner on the edge of his lower lid and that's a perfect technique to make the eyes more rounder. I've never seen him using that before.
Like they were tryin' to bring the double's look as close as possible to MJ's look and vice versa.
I agree. There would be times I'd see him and think he just looked really strange, and most would attribute it to plastic surgery. But then I'd see him again later on and he'd look great. I would always think that was weird because when you have plastic surgery, it's hard to go back to how you looked before. Of course you can always get more surgery, but why would someone keep getting surgery back and forth like that? Like the Bashir interview, there are clearly 2 MJ's in it. One of them looks great and the other just looks strange. It's something that I could never put my finger on. My mother would always say something too, she isn't a fanatic like I am but she could tell the difference...
this is gonna' sound so whacked but i have my jacket waiting and ready so here goes. i feel like the relationship involvement whatever with lisa was something that effected him in a very negative in a (here we go ) spiritually negative way.that little girl seems like she is very full of anger .i think he sort of absorbed some of it. i have to wonder if it could not have made him more inclined to cause some actual physical illness. jmo ok off i go to my lovely little jaacket now. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
He wasn't replaced, because besides doubles, I definitely see the real deal after '93 as well, just with a LOTTA make-up and wigs, there must have been a reason for this. On many pictures you can see he made his upper lip appaer fuller, and his bottom one thinner. Also a lot of make-up on his eyes to change the shape. One big illusion, he truly is a master of disguises.
Exactly. I'm not really sure what was the first time this double has came into the picture ( i'm talkin' abt the one with the feminine features, thinner nose and "hangin", round eyes - i'm almost sure that he were used in the "Rock my world" video, maybe in the "You are not alone" also, it's hard to tell, but something is definitely OFF on the photos from that video also) maybe around the marriage with LMP, but i've realized that since that time MJ started to use white eye-liner on the edge of his lower lid and that's a perfect technique to make the eyes more rounder. I've never seen him using that before.
Like they were tryin' to bring the double's look as close as possible to MJ's look and vice versa.
I agree. There would be times I'd see him and think he just looked really strange, and most would attribute it to plastic surgery. But then I'd see him again later on and he'd look great. I would always think that was weird because when you have plastic surgery, it's hard to go back to how you looked before. Of course you can always get more surgery, but why would someone keep getting surgery back and forth like that? Like the Bashir interview, there are clearly 2 MJ's in it. One of them looks great and the other just looks strange. It's something that I could never put my finger on. My mother would always say something too, she isn't a fanatic like I am but she could tell the difference...
this is gonna' sound so whacked but i have my jacket waiting and ready so here goes. i feel like the relationship involvement whatever with lisa was something that effected him in a very negative in a (here we go ) spiritually negative way.that little girl seems like she is very full of anger .i think he sort of absorbed some of it. i have to wonder if it could not have made him more inclined to cause some actual physical illness. jmo ok off i go to my lovely little jaacket now. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
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It's okay, I know what you mean. Major changes did seem to take place after that marriage..if it was even a real marriage. Part of me believes that we could all be right. Maybe it wasn't a legit marriage, but that doesn't necessarily mean no feelings were involved...
I agree. There would be times I'd see him and think he just looked really strange, and most would attribute it to plastic surgery. But then I'd see him again later on and he'd look great. I would always think that was weird because when you have plastic surgery, it's hard to go back to how you looked before. Of course you can always get more surgery, but why would someone keep getting surgery back and forth like that? Like the Bashir interview, there are clearly 2 MJ's in it. One of them looks great and the other just looks strange. It's something that I could never put my finger on. My mother would always say something too, she isn't a fanatic like I am but she could tell the difference...
It's hard to put your finger on it. Everytime i've tried to figure it out i've got headache after like 20minutes, 'cause i check a photo, and i say : ok, that's MJ. For sure. And then i' check the next one, and i say : yeah, it's definitely him. But wait...this two just CAN'T be the same person, 'cause the features simply DON'T match. So again, i check the first one. Second one. First one. It's a hell of a job. Cause BOTH are MJ's face ( as we've believed ) but two different MJ. And then i compare photos with 20-25 yrs difference and just realize that nothing has changed, same eyes, same nose, same smile, same chin. Same man.
Now i think i know what the differences are. But it's still confusing.
I agree. There would be times I'd see him and think he just looked really strange, and most would attribute it to plastic surgery. But then I'd see him again later on and he'd look great. I would always think that was weird because when you have plastic surgery, it's hard to go back to how you looked before. Of course you can always get more surgery, but why would someone keep getting surgery back and forth like that? Like the Bashir interview, there are clearly 2 MJ's in it. One of them looks great and the other just looks strange. It's something that I could never put my finger on. My mother would always say something too, she isn't a fanatic like I am but she could tell the difference...
Yes, my mum's no MJ fan but she could see the difference too. I can't define it either but there are definitely two looks and I can't tell which is correct - I'm 50:50 on 02 guy but I'm beginning to think more and more that he was the imposter but of course so many others can't bear that thought.
I'm back with that video from '80 ,I've had promised you to dig up ,lol <!-- s --><!-- s --> .
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Intresting subject <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ,but lets take a look at this video with Mj and friends 1999 from MUNICH.I knew that Mj was taller but here I see he is shorter that I tought <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> .Take a look at the video starting 1:16 minute please,and look closer at 1:55 <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o --> <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> .
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I remember I saw I video on youtube with Mj,receiving a prize.It was from the begining of '80,and he was in a library with some children and a man.Believe me he was very short comparing his height to the little children.I was amazed,but Im so upset right now because I can't find that video.I have to dig more,lol <!-- s --><!-- s -->
And somethig about In THE CLOSET video makes me go hmmmm,there Michael looked taller compared to Naomi Campbell, <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> or I'am going nuts? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> How tall is she anyway,beeing a supermodel? So this confuseing things about his heights started when????? SINCE THE HOAX STARTED????? ANYONE????? <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
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Am i the only who thinks that Michael looks like an impersonator in this video <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
So the video its not from the begining of '80 , it's from 1989 in Michael's library,from Neverland.
Here it is and please take a good look at Michael's height <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> :
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And by the way yahoo4u,I think the same that in the video from Munich Mj looks kinda odd ,depends of the moment, but the voice its his.Maybe he did that to confuse us ,lol,for the "future HOAX", <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> .
Please leave some comments if someone has time.Thank you very much.
I don't think we can rely on pictures when trying to compare heights. It's very misleading, like the Usher picture...
And btw, Lenny DOES WEAR HEELS. I met Lenny personally two years ago, he was shooting a music video and I got to shake hands with him. He's very short, true (I'm 173) and generally quite tiny. But he wore very high heels <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
I'm not saying Mike never used doubles but I'm not convinced about the height change. Besides, you get shorter with age. My mom is exactly MJ's age and she's shorter than me now although 10 years ago she was taller than me <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
Yes, one is at least 20 pounds heavier and has a totally different expression on the face. Yet it's the same gig...
Yup, two different people.
I've just read these posts (sorry!). This amazing proof of a double (s). The man we never knew?
That is not a proof for me, sorry. Mike is thiner in the pic with Lenny which makes his feature look different. But his eyes don't lie...Just my opinion.
Yes, one is at least 20 pounds heavier and has a totally different expression on the face. Yet it's the same gig...
Yup, two different people.
I've just read these posts (sorry!). This amazing proof of a double (s). The man we never knew?
That is not a proof for me, sorry. Mike is thiner in the pic with Lenny which makes his feature look different. But his eyes don't lie...Just my opinion.
Love to all.
He lost a lot of weight in a max of 1 day then, he needs to tell me his secret.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
if you look at the picture with Kravitz his nails are dark, The real Michael has dark nails because of his vitiligo, his nails remained stained. So he is the real Michael.
if you look at the picture with Kravitz his nails are dark, The real Michael has dark nails because of his vitiligo, his nails remained stained. So he is the real Michael.
Yes, plus in the pic with Liz: the way she's looking at him, it's a loving look. Do you think she'd be sitting next to a double like that, giving him looks? I have seen the show from which this pic is taken and I'm pretty sure it's Mike. Besides, the eyes don't lie, like I said. You cannot fake eyes. He might have used doubles on many occassions but these two guys are Michael.
Yeah, somewhere in this old thread I already corrected myself...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I don't think we can rely on pictures when trying to compare heights. It's very misleading, like the Usher picture...
And btw, Lenny DOES WEAR HEELS. I met Lenny personally two years ago, he was shooting a music video and I got to shake hands with him. He's very short, true (I'm 173) and generally quite tiny. But he wore very high heels <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
I'm not saying Mike never used doubles but I'm not convinced about the height change. Besides, you get shorter with age. My mom is exactly MJ's age and she's shorter than me now although 10 years ago she was taller than me <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
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I'm 5 yrs older than MJ and I've always been 5'2" - no shorter yet thank God.
personally i think looking at pics and comparing height is a losing battle, many celebs look different to their actual height and look taller/shorter at various times too, lighting..shadows, heels all play a part...i would say he is no less than 5ft 10 and at the most 6ft...he often looked shorter because of seeing his socks so much with the shorter legged trouser, always knocks inches off a person
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DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TALL SIDNEY POTIER IS? <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: -->
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Same height as Dr. Murray: around 6"3' <!-- s --><!-- s -->
That means Mike is around 5"8' on this picture. That means he grew at least 3 inches before he was arrested in 2003 and measured 5"11'... Isn't he a miracle? Or.... he wore stiletto's when he was arrested!
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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this is gonna' sound so whacked but i have my jacket waiting and ready so here goes. i feel like the relationship involvement whatever with lisa was something that effected him in a very negative in a (here we go ) spiritually negative way.that little girl seems like she is very full of anger .i think he sort of absorbed some of it. i have to wonder if it could not have made him more inclined to cause some actual physical illness. jmo ok off i go to my lovely little jaacket now. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
It's okay, I know what you mean. Major changes did seem to take place after that marriage..if it was even a real marriage. Part of me believes that we could all be right. Maybe it wasn't a legit marriage, but that doesn't necessarily mean no feelings were involved...
It's hard to put your finger on it. Everytime i've tried to figure it out i've got headache after like 20minutes, 'cause i check a photo, and i say : ok, that's MJ. For sure. And then i' check the next one, and i say : yeah, it's definitely him. But wait...this two just CAN'T be the same person, 'cause the features simply DON'T match. So again, i check the first one. Second one. First one. It's a hell of a job. Cause BOTH are MJ's face ( as we've believed ) but two different MJ. And then i compare photos with 20-25 yrs difference and just realize that nothing has changed, same eyes, same nose, same smile, same chin. Same man.
Now i think i know what the differences are. But it's still confusing.
Yes, my mum's no MJ fan but she could see the difference too. I can't define it either but there are definitely two looks and I can't tell which is correct - I'm 50:50 on 02 guy but I'm beginning to think more and more that he was the imposter but of course so many others can't bear that thought.
I'm back with that video from '80 ,I've had promised you to dig up ,lol <!-- s
So the video its not from the begining of '80 , it's from 1989 in Michael's library,from Neverland.
Here it is and please take a good look at Michael's height <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> :
[youtube:30563jjg]
And by the way yahoo4u,I think the same that in the video from Munich Mj looks kinda odd ,depends of the moment, but the voice its his.Maybe he did that to confuse us ,lol,for the "future HOAX", <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> .
Please leave some comments if someone has time.Thank you very much.
Love
And btw, Lenny DOES WEAR HEELS. I met Lenny personally two years ago, he was shooting a music video and I got to shake hands with him. He's very short, true (I'm 173) and generally quite tiny. But he wore very high heels <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
I'm not saying Mike never used doubles but I'm not convinced about the height change. Besides, you get shorter with age. My mom is exactly MJ's age and she's shorter than me now although 10 years ago she was taller than me <!-- s:!: -->:!:<!-- s:!: -->
Peace and Love <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
I've just read these posts (sorry!). This amazing proof of a double (s). The man we never knew?
That is not a proof for me, sorry. Mike is thiner in the pic with Lenny which makes his feature look different. But his eyes don't lie...Just my opinion.
Love to all.
He lost a lot of weight in a max of 1 day then, he needs to tell me his secret.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."What I see is that Michael is kind of slanted, he probably has he knees bend which we do not see.
Yes, plus in the pic with Liz: the way she's looking at him, it's a loving look. Do you think she'd be sitting next to a double like that, giving him looks? I have seen the show from which this pic is taken and I'm pretty sure it's Mike. Besides, the eyes don't lie, like I said. You cannot fake eyes. He might have used doubles on many occassions but these two guys are Michael.
Yeah, somewhere in this old thread I already corrected myself...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."I'm 5 yrs older than MJ and I've always been 5'2" - no shorter yet thank God.
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DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TALL SIDNEY POTIER IS? <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:idea: -->:idea:<!-- s:idea: -->
LOVE!!!!
Same height as Dr. Murray: around 6"3' <!-- s
That means Mike is around 5"8' on this picture. That means he grew at least 3 inches before he was arrested in 2003 and measured 5"11'... Isn't he a miracle? Or.... he wore stiletto's when he was arrested!
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."http://gawker.com/5647014/lenny-kravitzs-high-heels-one-wobbly-step-for-a-man-one-giant-leap-for-mens-fashion
huggs n faith n love to all
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10/10/2010 12:40 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Little stars.
LOL...
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Haaaahahahahaha <!-- s
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Was MJ that thin during TII? Is Murray Michael? Do the clouds smell?
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