Is it normal for hospital staff to sign confidentiality statements (wheather patients are famous or not) Is this normal procedure? Yes, Yes, Yes, extremley odd that nothing has came out about this>> very odd indeed. I know this is a reallllly dumb question. But is there any way we could find out exactly what patients were admitted on June 25th? Or would u have to be an employee or something? I know employees have some type of computer access to this info. I am sure hospital has a list of patients admitted that day, but I am sure this would be hard for us to get our hands on .... unless someone knows someone that works there? That could pull it for us? (naaahh might get in trouble!) <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Is it normal for hospital staff to sign confidentiality statements (wheather patients are famous or not) Is this normal procedure? Yes, Yes, Yes, extremley odd that nothing has came out about this>> very odd indeed. I know this is a reallllly dumb question. But is there any way we could find out exactly what patients were admitted on June 25th? Or would u have to be an employee or something? I know employees have some type of computer access to this info. I am sure hospital has a list of patients admitted that day, but I am sure this would be hard for us to get our hands on .... unless someone knows someone that works there? That could pull it for us? (naaahh might get in trouble!) <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
If MJ was there, they could have been made to sign something making them keep their mouth's shut. But Its agaainst the law for any hospital staff to gossip about patients. My neighbor is a nurse and my mother was in getting surgery on her shoulder and unless my mom gave permission for the nurse or doctors to tell me everything...they cant tell me anything...even though its my mother.
Totally agree with you Jacksonologist!! (BTW I lUV YOur NAME <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ) Because that names symbolizes the discovery and resolution, and SOlution to all things MJ Related!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> LUV IT! But like I said it would be cool if anyone on this website knew someone who works in the office of UCLA like in the patient admittance dept. That could pull up the system and examine which patients were admitted that day of June 25th.!! What do ya say!!!
Totally agree with you Jacksonologist!! (BTW I lUV YOur NAME <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ) Because that names symbolizes the discovery and resolution, and SOlution to all things MJ Related!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> LUV IT! But like I said it would be cool if anyone on this website knew someone who works in the office of UCLA like in the patient admittance dept. That could pull up the system and examine which patients were admitted that day of June 25th.!! What do ya say!!!
About my name...Thank you!!
As far as the admissions on the 25th of June at the hospital.........giving out that info is highly illegal as well.
Im going to go out on a limb and give my opinion as to why Jerkmaine announced the death and NOT an official person (doctor, coroner etc)
It is probably because since its not a real death that the actual doctors or coroner or anyone else that is of any rank did not or simply COULD NOT jeapordize their career's by announcing a death that never happened. Either they werent allowed to by law or they just didnt want to do something so unethical. Know what I mean? They didnt want to risk their credibility as a professional.
I dont know if this is the case or not but it seems this would be the reason. And WHY Jerkmaine? Why not his parents if anyone?
Maybe its because Jerkmaine wanted to steal the spotlight and try to get his face seen by every known human on the planet, which I wouldnt doubt.
But Im guessing its because of my reasons above in bold
I agree because I always thought doctors had to be the one annouce it and not anyone else. So, that also makes me think something's up. Of course, many people didn't pay much attention to it accept the ones who were like us.
I work in health care myself and YES we do sign confidential agrement and I can't say anything about health issues about a patient.But if anyone saw Michael or all that commotion(other patients,visitors) that day,to mention it ,what's the problem?I find it impossible that no one speaks about it <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->Makes me think that Michael didn't go to the hospital on that day.
Im going to go out on a limb and give my opinion as to why Jerkmaine announced the death and NOT an official person (doctor, coroner etc) It is probably because since its not a real death that the actual doctors or coroner or anyone else that is of any rank did not or simply COULD NOT jeapordize their career's by announcing a death that never happened. Either they werent allowed to by law or they just didnt want to do something so unethical. Know what I mean? They didnt want to risk their credibility as a professional.
I dont know if this is the case or not but it seems this would be the reason. And WHY Jerkmaine? Why not his parents if anyone?
Maybe its because Jerkmaine wanted to steal the spotlight and try to get his face seen by every known human on the planet, which I wouldnt doubt.
But Im guessing its because of my reasons above in bold.
I agree with your opinion that this is why Jermaine made the announcement. Because once the announcement was made, and it included the "time of death", then UCLA could put it on its press site and even though the media kept saying the announcement was "from UCLA", the announcement was technically from Jermaine Jackson, who just happened to be at UCLA when HE made the announcement. So to anyone that is reading about it, it looks like the source of the information is UCLA. But legally UCLA did NOT make the announcement, and the way this is worded on their site makes that clear.
Notice how this is titled "Statement on the death of Michael Jackson at UCLA Medical Center" By UCLA Newsroom June 25, 2009 The family of Michael Jackson made this brief statement available on June 25 at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center:
The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home. However, the cause of his death is unknown until results of the autopsy are known.
Also, in this video where the coroner spokesperson is talking about the autopsy report, if you forward the video to 6:23 and listen until 6:43, someone is asking him about the time of death, and he says "the time of death will remain what it was in the hospital emergency room pronounced by a physician"
I know that it is permissible for the hospital to give this kind of information directly to the coroner's office, according to HIPPA, but if this was true, then why did this same physician not make the official announcement of "death" at the press conference, or at least (as I have seen done in other similar situations) come out and stand with the family member while the family member made the announcement. Jermaine talked about all these emergency room doctors "a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour", but none of them were available to come out and make the announcement or stand by as a representative of the hospital while he made the announcement?
It seems that when the coroner spokesperson talks about the time of "death", he could still be just going from UCLA's press release of the statement by Jermaine, that said the time of death and mentions that a number of physicians were working on MJ in the emergency room.
Instead of all this speculation and guessing games, why doesn't someone just email UCLA with that question? (regarding Jermaine doing the announcement)
What the hell do you have to loose? Perhaps no reply?...big deal.
Better yet, sign up to there Twitter.
Also, YES, It is REQUIRED that police show up at a death at someones home...or anywhere else for that matter.. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS.
same here in the UK even in care homes!! if the person wasn't ill (terminally ill or already on deaths door) an they suddenly die for whatever reason its a suspicious death and the police are called to check there is NO FOUL PLAY ETC.. they are definatly a priority or you would get into serious trouble as its a suspicious death!! they need records of events leading up to it etc!! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
Also, in this video where the coroner spokesperson is talking about the autopsy report, if you forward the video to 6:23 and listen until 6:43, someone is asking him about the time of death, and he says "the time of death will remain what it was in the hospital emergency room pronounced by a physician"
I know that it is permissible for the hospital to give this kind of information directly to the coroner's office, according to HIPPA, but if this was true, then why did this same physician not make the official announcement of "death" at the press conference, or at least (as I have seen done in other similar situations) come out and stand with the family member while the family member made the announcement. Jermaine talked about all these emergency room doctors "a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour", but none of them were available to come out and make the announcement or stand by as a representative of the hospital while he made the announcement?
It seems that when the coroner spokesperson talks about the time of "death", he could still be just going from UCLA's press release of the statement by Jermaine, that said the time of death and mentions that a number of physicians were working on MJ in the emergency room.
I work in health care myself and YES we do sign confidential agrement and I can't say anything about health issues about a patient.But if anyone saw Michael or all that commotion(other patients,visitors) that day,to mention it ,what's the problem?I find it impossible that no one speaks about it <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->Makes me think that Michael didn't go to the hospital on that day.
but if he wasnt there or didnt die, dont ya think the dr's and nurses who work there wouldve put it together by now??? i mean i know they talk at hospitals ...about patients
I work in health care myself and YES we do sign confidential agrement and I can't say anything about health issues about a patient.But if anyone saw Michael or all that commotion(other patients,visitors) that day,to mention it ,what's the problem?I find it impossible that no one speaks about it <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->Makes me think that Michael didn't go to the hospital on that day.
but if he wasnt there or didnt die, dont ya think the dr's and nurses who work there wouldve put it together by now??? i mean i know they talk at hospitals ...about patients
Yes,the hospital staff would have put it together by now,but that would not give them the right to release the information,I think!I'm talking about the visitors(all the pepoel that are not in the staff)But either way,if he was there or not...nothing leaks and that is odd to me <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Btw, does anyone know anything about Dr. R. Cooper? She is the doctor that supposedly pronounced MJ's death, but I can't find a thing about her, not unlike Dr. Murray. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Btw, does anyone know anything about Dr. R. Cooper? She is the doctor that supposedly pronounced MJ's death, but I can't find a thing about her, not unlike Dr. Murray. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
This is what I dont like. I remember mentioning this being a hoax to a bunch of grieving-fans and they all jumped on me saying there was infact a doctor who pronounced him dead but where did we ever hear that? I never saw a transcript, I never saw a statement, I never heard audio or saw video. There is no proof that backs up these claims. Grieving fans who try and convince themselves this is not a hoax should open their eyes, we still 6 months later do not have any solid confirmation from the UCLA hospital. And articles that dont support proper sources I will refuse to believe in. I want to see this doctors face, hear that doctor make an announcement like Jermaine did, NOT hear Jermaine! Their arguments are invalid. I am not convinced just because some doctor claims to have announced his death. Where is that doctor? Where is the official statement? There is none.
None at all...it is the strangest thing ever. They had a press conference for Tiger Woods mother-in-law today and she just had some stomach pain. This is the most famous man in the world that supposedly died and no official has come forward? I just can't believe no one from that hospital has leaked something for money by now, confidentiality agreement or not.
Did I read that article wrong, or are they saying that Jermaine's press conference video was edited? He said Dr. Tohme was MJ's personal doctor and was with him when he "died", not Murray.
HI! I LIVE IN ARGENTINA, MAYBE LIKE BALLIN MJ IS HERE UNTIL COMEBACK, <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> ... WELL I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT MAYBE I HAVEN[T ALL THE INFORMATION SO I DOUBT ABOUT HIS DEAD AND BEGAN TO LOOK WHAT REALLY HAPPEN AND BAM! I FOUND AL THIS SITES AND HERE WE ARE...
IT'S REALLY STRANGE THAT NO DR OR INVESTIGATOR HAS MADE AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT ABOUT ALL THIS... ANOTHER DAY A SAW AN E! ESPECIAL ABOUT MJ AND OTHER DAY I SAW OTHER FROM SOME ACTREES WITH A WEIRD DEATH AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT... THE DOCTORS, SEVERAL... WHO ATTEND THIS ACTREES ARE IN THIS ESPECIAL TALKING ABOUT HER AND GIVING EXPLANATIONS ABOUT WHAT AND HOW THEY DO TO SAVE THIS WOMAN, IN MJ ESPECIAL, NONE. THIS ALL FOR ME, WHY NONE TALK ABOUT THIS?
LIKE YOU SAY ON THE TOPIC, NO NURSES, PATIENTS, VISITORS... NOBODY?! I THINK THAT NOBODY SEE HIM BECAUSE HE WASN'T THERE... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Admittance records!! Admittance Records for June 25th!!! I am telling u guys! ANyone here have an uncle, grandma , godmother, godfather, brother, sister, aunt , cousin, xboyfriend, xgirlfriend, baby daddy, baby mama!!! kid, mistress!@!LOL!!! lOL!!! lOL!! that works for UCLA, that would have computer access!! I am getting desperate, but I don't live in L.A>! lOL! LOL!! LOL!!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Btw, does anyone know anything about Dr. R. Cooper? She is the doctor that supposedly pronounced MJ's death, but I can't find a thing about her, not unlike Dr. Murray. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Dr. R. Cooper is in charge of the Emergency department at UCLA, and this doctor has Emergency Medicine as their specialty. I'm still digging for more info though.
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If MJ was there, they could have been made to sign something making them keep their mouth's shut. But Its agaainst the law for any hospital staff to gossip about patients. My neighbor is a nurse and my mother was in getting surgery on her shoulder and unless my mom gave permission for the nurse or doctors to tell me everything...they cant tell me anything...even though its my mother.
About my name...Thank you!!
As far as the admissions on the 25th of June at the hospital.........giving out that info is highly illegal as well.
I agree because I always thought doctors had to be the one annouce it and not anyone else. So, that also makes me think something's up. Of course, many people didn't pay much attention to it accept the ones who were like us.
I agree with your opinion that this is why Jermaine made the announcement. Because once the announcement was made, and it included the "time of death", then UCLA could put it on its press site and even though the media kept saying the announcement was "from UCLA", the announcement was technically from Jermaine Jackson, who just happened to be at UCLA when HE made the announcement. So to anyone that is reading about it, it looks like the source of the information is UCLA. But legally UCLA did NOT make the announcement, and the way this is worded on their site makes that clear.
Notice how this is titled "Statement on the death of Michael Jackson at UCLA Medical Center"
By UCLA Newsroom June 25, 2009
The family of Michael Jackson made this brief statement available on June 25 at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center:
The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home. However, the cause of his death is unknown until results of the autopsy are known.
<!-- m -->http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucl ... 94914.aspx<!-- m -->
(And it looks like the video is back up on the official UCLA site today)
<!-- m -->http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucl ... id=E0C5478<!-- m -->
I know that it is permissible for the hospital to give this kind of information directly to the coroner's office, according to HIPPA, but if this was true, then why did this same physician not make the official announcement of "death" at the press conference, or at least (as I have seen done in other similar situations) come out and stand with the family member while the family member made the announcement. Jermaine talked about all these emergency room doctors "a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour", but none of them were available to come out and make the announcement or stand by as a representative of the hospital while he made the announcement?
It seems that when the coroner spokesperson talks about the time of "death", he could still be just going from UCLA's press release of the statement by Jermaine, that said the time of death and mentions that a number of physicians were working on MJ in the emergency room.
Link to the video:
<!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmdrNn3H ... re=related<!-- m -->
What the hell do you have to loose? Perhaps no reply?...big deal.
Better yet, sign up to there Twitter.
same here in the UK even in care homes!! if the person wasn't ill (terminally ill or already on deaths door) an they suddenly die for whatever reason its a suspicious death and the police are called to check there is NO FOUL PLAY ETC.. they are definatly a priority or you would get into serious trouble as its a suspicious death!! they need records of events leading up to it etc!! <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: -->
Excellent observation.
but if he wasnt there or didnt die, dont ya think the dr's and nurses who work there wouldve put it together by now??? i mean i know they talk at hospitals ...about patients
Yes,the hospital staff would have put it together by now,but that would not give them the right to release the information,I think!I'm talking about the visitors(all the pepoel that are not in the staff)But either way,if he was there or not...nothing leaks and that is odd to me <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Btw, does anyone know anything about Dr. R. Cooper? She is the doctor that supposedly pronounced MJ's death, but I can't find a thing about her, not unlike Dr. Murray. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
This is what I dont like. I remember mentioning this being a hoax to a bunch of grieving-fans and they all jumped on me saying there was infact a doctor who pronounced him dead but where did we ever hear that? I never saw a transcript, I never saw a statement, I never heard audio or saw video. There is no proof that backs up these claims. Grieving fans who try and convince themselves this is not a hoax should open their eyes, we still 6 months later do not have any solid confirmation from the UCLA hospital. And articles that dont support proper sources I will refuse to believe in. I want to see this doctors face, hear that doctor make an announcement like Jermaine did, NOT hear Jermaine! Their arguments are invalid. I am not convinced just because some doctor claims to have announced his death. Where is that doctor? Where is the official statement? There is none.
Did I read that article wrong, or are they saying that Jermaine's press conference video was edited? He said Dr. Tohme was MJ's personal doctor and was with him when he "died", not Murray.
IT'S REALLY STRANGE THAT NO DR OR INVESTIGATOR HAS MADE AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT ABOUT ALL THIS... ANOTHER DAY A SAW AN E! ESPECIAL ABOUT MJ AND OTHER DAY I SAW OTHER FROM SOME ACTREES WITH A WEIRD DEATH AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT... THE DOCTORS, SEVERAL... WHO ATTEND THIS ACTREES ARE IN THIS ESPECIAL TALKING ABOUT HER AND GIVING EXPLANATIONS ABOUT WHAT AND HOW THEY DO TO SAVE THIS WOMAN, IN MJ ESPECIAL, NONE. THIS ALL FOR ME, WHY NONE TALK ABOUT THIS?
LIKE YOU SAY ON THE TOPIC, NO NURSES, PATIENTS, VISITORS... NOBODY?! I THINK THAT NOBODY SEE HIM BECAUSE HE WASN'T THERE... <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
This may be her: <!-- m -->http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=4 ... &ref=25337<!-- m -->
Dr. R. Cooper is in charge of the Emergency department at UCLA, and this doctor has Emergency Medicine as their specialty. I'm still digging for more info though.
<!-- m -->http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=3 ... ail&ref=31<!-- m -->
<!-- m -->http://www.emergencymedicine.ucla.edu/i ... y&Itemid=6<!-- m -->
Her correspondence address is on this page, if anyone would like to drop her a line <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> :
<!-- m -->http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/172/4/487?etoc<!-- m -->
And here as well:
<!-- m -->http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/c ... helle.html<!-- m -->
Oh, and this may or may not be her email addy: <!-- e --><a href="mailto:richelle@ucla.edu">richelle@ucla.edu</a><!-- e -->
<!-- m -->http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Richelle_Cooper.html<!-- m -->