The silence of the hospital staff, Visitors,Patients!!!!!!!

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  • I did saw a video last week in YT - can´t find it anymore - showing some doctor or coroner presumably, talking about Micahels "arriving" and autopsy. How he was moved in, where he was placed "to wait", where were others and where was autopsy taken place.... etc. He described everything pretty detailed but I just didn´t want to look and hear about it, it made me sad.I´m wondering that no one here haven´t seen it <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
  • None at all...it is the strangest thing ever. They had a press conference for Tiger Woods mother-in-law today and she just had some stomach pain. This is the most famous man in the world that supposedly died and no official has come forward? I just can't believe no one from that hospital has leaked something for money by now, confidentiality agreement or not.

    Did I read that article wrong, or are they saying that Jermaine's press conference video was edited? He said Dr. Tohme was MJ's personal doctor and was with him when he "died", not Murray.

    I know. And by the way who has a pressconference for someone hospitalized for stomach pains? She wasnt even severily ill, she left the hospital 11 hours later. MICHAEL DIED and no one exept for Jermaine announced it to the public. Its really unproffecional.
  • LouLou Posts: 169
    Even now, I don't recall a doctor even being interviewed about it. Am I right or wrong? Because I sure didn't remember seeing it.
    You are right. I remember that when I heard the news I was expecting some doctor to talk to the reporters, but I didn't see any doctor being interviewed. I also thought that Dr Murray was going to be interviewed, and I found it very strange when they said he had disappeared and refused to sign the DC.
  • CCCC Posts: 2,136
    i don't know in the US but in my country if the doctors signs the DC thats all, I mean, why he don't want to sign it? if he sign it the investigation was closed and ... nothing happen. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
  • Might be a stupid question...but has UCLA filed a claim against the estate for services rendered on the June 25th? Everyone else has filed a claim. Just wondering if UCLA has and I missed it somewhere.
  • I have a question that maybe someone here can answer. If Dr. R. Cooper pronounced him dead should she/he not have been the one to sign the DC? Why hasn't she/he?
  • liegiliegi Posts: 640
    That was a good point and it is a great example of how things normally work.
  • angelshadowangelshadow Posts: 8,257
    Yes of normal way I already think, nevertheless, with our land of course, this becomes always thus his I think <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
  • I have a question that maybe someone here can answer. If Dr. R. Cooper pronounced him dead should she/he not have been the one to sign the DC? Why hasn't she/he?

    A dr and/or corner can legally sign a death certificate.
  • That was a good point and it is a great example of how things normally work.

    Yes you are so right, but unfortunately nothing is normal in this case at all <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> very confused <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • Where is SPAKKLE? I need to negotiate rent with her so I can share her cell.

    SPAKKLE...I can give you cookies, skittles or cheetos........which would you prefer? Cus Im moving in wether you like it or not!! And I get the bed by the window!!
  • Btw, does anyone know anything about Dr. R. Cooper? She is the doctor that supposedly pronounced MJ's death, but I can't find a thing about her, not unlike Dr. Murray. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    Just to recap my several posts of info on Dr. Richelle Cooper, in case all that info was missed.

    Here are links and info and I found on Dr. Cooper (it's a man or a woman, still not sure on that one).

    This is her: <!-- m -->http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=4 ... &ref=25337<!-- m -->

    Dr. R. Cooper is in charge of the Emergency department at UCLA, and this doctor has Emergency Medicine as their specialty.

    <!-- m -->http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfm?id=3 ... ail&ref=31<!-- m -->

    Here is more info on Dr. Richelle Cooper:

    <!-- m -->http://www.emergencymedicine.ucla.edu/i ... y&Itemid=6<!-- m -->

    A correspondence address is on this page, if anyone would like to drop a line <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> :

    <!-- m -->http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/172/4/487?etoc<!-- m -->

    And here as well:
    <!-- m -->http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/c ... helle.html<!-- m -->

    Oh, and this may or may not be the email addy: <!-- e --><a href="mailto:richelle@ucla.edu">richelle@ucla.edu</a><!-- e -->
  • Good research, thanks! So it says Dr. Cooper is a man? Because in the LAPD affidavit it says "Cooper and her team" were working on MJ. Maybe they just assumed it was a female as well.

    Is someone brave enough to call or email her? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
  • icy55icy55 Posts: 91
    wow okay. Maybe it's some hospital policy where they arent allowed to speak about their patients?
  • Good research, thanks! So it says Dr. Cooper is a man? Because in the LAPD affidavit it says "Cooper and her team" were working on MJ. Maybe they just assumed it was a female as well.

    Is someone brave enough to call or email her? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->

    This site says male:
    <!-- m -->http://www.e-physician.info/NPI-1073547808-CA<!-- m -->

    DR. RICHELLE JODY COOPER MD
    Allopathic & Osteopathic Physicians Emergency Medicine Emergency Medical Services

    Provider NPI: 1073547808
    Provider Information:
    DR. RICHELLE JODY COOPER MD
    Gender: M

    Other sites I've been looking at say male also. Trying to find a photo, but for now I'm presuming it's a male. Plus, there is only one doc in emergency medicine at UCLA named Dr. R. Cooper.
  • CCCC Posts: 2,136
    Allopathic & Osteopathic Physicians

    <!-- m -->http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=ado_whatis<!-- m -->
  • Accoding to this article, the UCLA policy on filming inside the hospital had been toughened in March 2008:
    By Charles Ornstein
    Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    March 18, 2008

    UCLA's neuropsychiatric hospital has banned all cellphones and laptop
    computers after a patient posted group photos of other patients on a
    social networking website, officials confirmed Monday.

    Dr. Thomas Strouse, medical director of the Resnick Neuropsychiatric
    Hospital, said in a statement that the decision was part of "UCLA Health
    System's ongoing efforts to enhance patient privacy and confidentiality
    in compliance with California's patient rights law."


    Separately, The Times reported last week that UCLA was taking steps to
    fire at least 13 workers and had suspended six others for
    inappropriately snooping in the electronic medical records of pop star
    Britney Spears while she was a patient in the neuropsychiatric hospital.
    In addition, six doctors were being disciplined. (Those slated to be
    fired did not look at records from Spears' psychiatric stay but rather
    from her prior visits to UCLA.)


    Spears was not featured in the photos posted online.

    UCLA spokeswoman Dale Tate said the hospital became aware of the posted
    photos coincidentally from a nurse's family member. The patients
    apparently all gave their consent to be photographed, Tate said.

    "I was concerned about the potential covert use of such cameras, without
    the consent of those being photographed, or under circumstances where
    someone's agreement to be photographed might not be well-reasoned or
    fully competent," Strouse said in the statement.

    Patients continue to have access to conventional telephones in the
    hospital, and Strouse said their ability to keep in touch with family
    and friends should not be affected.

    In a March 3 memo announcing the ban, Strouse wrote that he did not want
    to ask staff members to check whether cellphones or laptops had cameras,
    so he decided to ban them all.


    Other hospitals have banned cellphone cameras as well. Rady Children's
    Hospital in San Diego forbade employees from carrying cellphones in
    patient-care areas after investigators found images of children, taken
    at the hospital, on a respiratory therapist's computer and cellphone.
    The therapist later pleaded guilty to child molestation and exhibiting a
    minor in pornography. Visitors can have cellphones, but "if they're
    using the camera feature on their cellphones, they're only allowed to
    take pictures of their child and nobody else," hospital spokesman Ben
    Metcalf said.

    Officials at the California Hospital Assn. said they are hearing more
    and more hospitals express concern over how to deal with cellphone
    cameras. "There's been a heightened awareness of the problem for the
    past year or two," said Lois Richardson, the group's vice president and
    legal counsel. "However, I haven't seen any hospitals that have been
    able to come up with a good, workable tactical solution to the problem."

    So, this could explain why no pictures were taken inside the hospital, provided cameras were banned. The lack of eye-witness reports may indeed signify there was nothing to be seen on that day and yet no pictures or videos can back this info. How convenient. Perhaps that was the reason this particular hospital was chosen. MJ moved to Holmby Hills in December 2008, so after the new policy'd been applied. I also found it interesting to read how well UCLA managed the media and fan frenzy outside the hospital that day. Here's the link to the article below, it's very impressive, seems they've thought of everything in such a short time... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> It's quite obvious that any large hospital has a plan for in emergency situation, just looks like UCLA was more prepared than any other hospital would be...

    <!-- m -->http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/sta ... 95128.aspx<!-- m -->
  • I have a question that maybe someone here can answer. If Dr. R. Cooper pronounced him dead should she/he not have been the one to sign the DC? Why hasn't she/he?

    true. if a doctor pronounces him (not dead just pronounces him) why not sign the DC?
  • It is strange the doctor didn't sign the DC. Was it the coroner who ended up signing it?
  • LLJLLJ Posts: 140
    Did anyone read the article about UCLA's "good performance"?

    What really caught my attention was where Capt John Adams from UCLA said a reporter tried to get in via an underground elevator (from parking) directly to the emergency room. So this could have been a way for MJ to get out? He also said they made sure the reporter/s didn't get access to the secure area.

    Maybe I'm reading to much into this?
  • Leah-KimLeah-Kim Posts: 507
    Did anyone read the article about UCLA's "good performance"?

    What really caught my attention was where Capt John Adams from UCLA said a reporter tried to get in via an underground elevator (from parking) directly to the emergency room. So this could have been a way for MJ to get out? He also said they made sure the reporter/s didn't get access to the secure area.

    Maybe I'm reading to much into this?


    Thats interesting do you have a link to that article?
    We must read alot into everything so never apologise or doubt a post...
  • LLJLLJ Posts: 140
    You'll find the link at Tinker bell's above post.

    I'm interested to hear what you think..
  • Somebody should contact this guy, noted in the article:
    Phil Hampton, assistant director of UCLA's Office of Media Relations

    And ask him why hospital staff did not make the formal, official announcement at the press conference that day, instead of Jermaine. Perhaps he could clarify their policy on that?? It'd be interesting to know what they say.
  • pepperpepper Posts: 558
    Somebody should contact this guy, noted in the article:
    Phil Hampton, assistant director of UCLA's Office of Media Relations

    And ask him why hospital staff did not make the formal, official announcement at the press conference that day, instead of Jermaine. Perhaps he could clarify their policy on that?? It'd be interesting to know what they say.

    Yes, I thought it was interesting in the article where it says

    "We all did our best to accommodate an unprecedented volume of reporters on campus due to the extraordinary level of interest in Michael Jackson's death," said Phil Hampton, assistant director of UCLA's Office of Media Relations.

    Jackson's brother Jermaine confirmed the news already being reported. "The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home," he said. "A team of [UCLA] doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful."

    Again, UCLA distances themselves from actually admitting that Michael Jackson was pronounced "dead" by one of their doctors in the emergency room at UCLA. They say there was an "extraordinary level of interest in Michael Jackson's death" without saying that he is dead. They leave it to Jermaine to confirm the news ALREADY BEING REPORTED! That sounds like a hoax of a hoax to me!!

    <!-- m -->http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/sta ... 95128.aspx<!-- m -->
  • pepperpepper Posts: 558

    I also found it interesting to read how well UCLA managed the media and fan frenzy outside the hospital that day. Here's the link to the article below, it's very impressive, seems they've thought of everything in such a short time... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> It's quite obvious that any large hospital has a plan for in emergency situation, just looks like UCLA was more prepared than any other hospital would be...

    <!-- m -->http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/sta ... 95128.aspx<!-- m -->

    I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder! According to this article, UCLA really dropped the ball in their response to all that happened that day...

    <!-- m -->http://www.tellem.com/id86.html<!-- m -->


    Michael Jackson UCLA Screw Up
    UCLA Medical Center Unprepared for Major Event


    "...After the death of superstar Michael Jackson at 2:26 pm today, the medical center had more than enough time to prepare for the press conference called on site for 5:15 pm. In fact, if a crisis plan was in place for one of the best known and largest medical centers in the country, it would have taken about one hour to implement all the steps. I was extremely surprised at UCLA Medical Center's lack of preparedness...Instead at 5:15, the courtyard was filled with media and many people who had come to the hospital to pay their respects or just rubberneck. The crush of people with no police presence in sight hampered the ability for reporters to report the news and the following occurred:
    • An announcement was made that the press conference would be held in the auditorium. Hundreds ran across the street to the auditorium as the glass doors were abruptly locked by what appeared to be frightened security guards.• Credentialed reporters were then told to go to another location, and when they arrived, many were told the room was at capacity.
    There was no UCLA Medical Center spokesperson or ER physician at the press conference. Instead the press conference spokesperson was Jermaine Jackson."


    I have seen very few articles where they actually acknowledge that it was weird that Jermaine was the spokesperson at the press conference.
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