Some of the odd things at trial & outside courthouse so far

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  • [size=14pt]“Ringling Bros. Elephant Trial Promises to Be a Circus” [/size]by Walter Olson on February 3, 2009  <br />After more than eight years of litigation, lawyers for Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus will appear in federal court this week to square off against a handful of animal welfare organizations that have filed suit against the circus alleging that it routinely violates federal law by abusing its elephants. The case is a major test for the reach of the Endangered Species Act, which for the first time is being used by private citizens to try to influence the care of animals already in captivity.” If the complainants, led by the ASPCA (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), succeed in the creative effort to reshape the Endangered Species Act into a federal animal welfare statute, lawsuits in other areas are likely to follow [Legal Times]<br />http://overlawyered.com/2009/02/ringling-bros-elephant-trial-promises-to-be-a-circus/ <br /><br />[size=12pt]The courtroom toy elephant reminds me of the elephants of the Ringling Bros, who were present around the time of MJ's Memorial at the Staples Center, crossed my mind. http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4n3aKeaHZMh/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours. CM's manslaugter trial promised to be a (MEDIA) circus. We might conclude it sure is.[/size] [size=12pt]Keeping this article in mind, I'd imagine that the elephant is a metaphor for MJ (and celebs who are continuously slandered by the tabloid press), who's filing a suit against the MEDIA circus. At least, that's my interpretation of the elephant clue in the court room. [/size] <br />[size=12pt]L.O.V.E.[/size]
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    <br />Michael deserves more then an Oscar.. He is fantastic, slurring his words.. He is coherent that is for sure, he knows what he was talking about, so they cannot say he was drunk, doped or anything else. To me it sounds Michael did it un purpose like everything else he does, with the media. Jermaine vouched it.. Michael knew what he was saying, it was so beautiful for what he wants to do for the children in hospital. Does that sound a man who wants to kill himself with propofol? Give me a break.. <br /><br />Murray will be free, and Michael will come back. This is a great lessons to all the media in this world, to get the facts straight before any printing. blessings. <br />
    <br /><br />You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.<br /><br />Good job, Michael - you have the media buying this hook, line, and sinker.<br /><br />My request: can we see a picture on the judges desk of his mother? Thank you in advance :)
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    You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he <br />was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.
    <br />LOL, cotton mouth, which reminds me of Marlon Brando who also had cotton in his mouth in "Godfather" (I can't remember which part). I believe Michael was a fan of Marlon Brando ;)  <br />
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    <br /><br />"people vs Murray"<br />SA073164 - 0+7+3+1+6+4= 21 (777) :)
  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    Credits to Souza:<br />
    Elissa Fleak The bone collector By Christine Pelisek published: May 15, 2008 
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    the-bone-collector.2156475.40.jpg [/li]<br />  If you’re a hiker out for an afternoon stroll along the hilly areas of Santa Clarita and Lancaster, or you’re relaxing on one of Malibu’s beaches, or working at one of L.A.’s freshly dug construction sites, there’s a surprisingly good chance you’ll stumble across Native American remains — although you’d probably never realize it. Coroner investigator Elissa Fleak knows, better than almost anyone, the subtle signs and tiny clues missed by millions of other Californians. “We know most of the gravesites in Los Angeles County,” she says. “Indians roved everywhere back in the day.” For instance, she notes, “Chumash elders would walk toward the water and die peacefully by the beach.”  The pint-sized dark-haired Nancy Drew of ancient bones is a Mono Indian, as well as the coroner’s tribal liaison for Native American remains, and its representative under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. It’s her job to determine the ancestry of remains and return the bones to their tribes for proper burial. The L.A. County Coroner at least twice a month identifies Native American remains, mostly belonging to the Gabrielino/Tongva or the Chumash. <br /> Sometimes, those discoveries are closer to “home.” Six months ago, 31-year-old Fleak — whose great-great-great-great-grandfather was a medicine man — was asked to determine the ancestry of a skull brought to the coroner’s office by a high school teacher who’d kept it on display in her classroom for the last 20 years. (A student who’d found it on a relatives’ farm in Northern California had given the skull to her.) With the help of an anthropologist, Fleak determined that it was the skull of a Yurok Indian woman who died 300 years ago. <br /> When she isn’t returning Native American remains to their ancestral burial grounds, Fleak has another highly specialized, if darker, skill: She unravels the mysteries of how children die, from infants snuffed out at night by their own parents’ bodies thanks to co-sleeping to teens who cut off their own breath with ropes and belts to get a buzz, but instead become the latest victims of the “choking game.” <br />  <br /> Photo by Kevin Scanlon
    <br /><br />http://www.laweekly.com/2008-05-15/news/the-bone-collector/<br />
  • PureLovePureLove Posts: 5,891
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    <br />Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right<br />
    <br /><br /> /woohoo/
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    <br />Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right<br />
    <br /><br /> /woohoo/ <br />
    <br /><br />If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha
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    <br />Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right<br />
    <br /><br /> /woohoo/ <br />
    <br /><br />If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha<br />
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    <br />Two elephants in the room - the b.s. one on the desk and the new big one at right<br />
    <br /><br /> /woohoo/ <br />
    <br /><br />If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha<br />
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    <br /><br /> lolol/<br /><br />awwwwwwwwwwww they're so cute but I don't like to see animals at circus :( It makes me feel like it hurts them to do all those hard moves and that breaks my heart. I love all animals a LOT.
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    <br /><br /> /woohoo/ <br />
    <br /><br />If we get every day one more, they may start a polonaise .... hahaha<br />
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    <br /><br /> lolol/ <br /><br />awwwwwwwwwwww they're so cute but I don't like to see animals at circus :( It makes me feel like it hurts them to do all those hard moves and that breaks my heart. I love all animals a LOT.<br />
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    Pearl Jr EXCLUSIVE with J. Michael Flanagan<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />
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  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    The Cali flag in the court room is not the correct one. The official flag does not carry any yellow sun rays in it. <br />Except - well ... except it is both in court - front Caliland, back Simpsons.<br /><br />"Let's do the Bart, man..." LOL<br /><br />This is the correct flag:<br /><br />california-flag-bear.jpg<br /><br /><br />This is the Simpson's Springfield flag from TV:<br /><br />springfield.list.DABF20.jpg<br /><br />
    The state flag is a Confederate flag partially immersed in water, with sun rays behind it.
    <br />(http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html)<br /><br /><br />This is the court flag:
  • GraceGrace Posts: 2,864
    <br />Do The Bartman Lyrics<br /> Artist(Band):The Simpsons<br /> <br /> Bart:<br /> Yo! Hey what's happening dude?<br /> I'm a guy with a rep for bein' rude.<br /> Terrorizin' people wherever I go,<br /> It's not intentional, just keepin' the flow.<br /> Fixin' test scores to get the best scores,<br /> Droppin' banana peels all over the floor,<br /> I'm the kid that made delinquency an art,<br /> Last name, Simpson; first name, Bart.<br /> I'm here today to introduce the next phase,<br /> The next step in the big Bart craze.<br /> I got a dance, real easy to do,<br /> I learned it with no rhythm and so can you!<br /> So move your body, if you got the notion,<br /> Front to back in a rock-like motion.<br /> Now that you got it, if you think you can,<br /> Do it to the music, that's the Bartman<br /><br /> Back-up Singers:<br /> Everybody if you can, do the Bartman!<br /> Shake you body, turn it out, if you can, man!<br /> Move you butt to the side, yes you can, can!<br /> Everybody in the house, do the Bartman<br /> (x2)<br /><br /> Bart:<br /> It wasn't long ago, just a couple of weeks,<br /> I got in trouble, yeah, pretty deep.<br /> Homer was yellin', mom was, too,<br /> Because I put mothballs in the beef stew.<br /> Punishment time, in the air lurks gloom,<br /> Sittin' by myself, confined to my room.<br /> When all else fails, nothin' else left to do,<br /> I turn on the music, so I can feel the groove!<br /><br /> Back-up Singers:<br /> Move your body, if you got the notion,<br /> Front to back in a rock-like motion.<br /> Move your hips from side to side now,<br /> Don't ya slip, let your feet glide now.<br /> If you've got the groove, you gotta use it.<br /> Rock rhythm in time with the music.<br /> You just might start a chain reaction...<br />  Bart: If you can do the Bart, you're bad like Michael Jackson.<br /><br /> Back-up Singers:<br /> Everybody if you can, do the Bartman!<br /> Shake you body, turn it out..If you can, man!<br /> Move your butt to the side as you can, can!<br /> Everybody in the house do the Bartman...Do the Bartman!<br /> Bart: Do the Bartman!<br /> Everybody back and forth, from side to side.<br /> Back-up Singers: Do the Bartman!<br /> Bart: Do the Bartman!<br /> Now here's a dance beat that you can't deny!<br /> Homer: Turn it down! Will you stop that infernal racket?<br /> Back-up Singers: Do the Bartman!<br /> Bart:<br /> Oh my ears! Lisa! Put that saxophone away!<br /> You can't touch this!<br /> I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything.<br /> Now, I'm in the house feelin' good to be home,<br /> 'Til Lisa starts blowin' her damn saxophone.<br /> And if it was mine, you know they'd take it away,<br /> But still I'm feelin' good, so that's okay.<br /> I'm up in my room, just a-singin' a song,<br /> Listenin' to the kicks while I'm kickin' along.<br /> Yeah, Lisa likes jazz, she's her number one fan,<br /> But I know I'm bad, 'cause I do the Bartman!<br /> Back-up Singers:<br /> Everybody, if you can do the Bartman!<br /> Shake your body, turn it out if you can, man!<br /> Move your butt to the side, as you can, can!<br /> Everybody in the house, do the Bartman! Do the Bartman!<br /> Bart: Do the Bartman!<br /> Everybody back and forth from side to side.<br /> Back-up Singers: Do the Bartman!<br /> Bart: Do the Bartman!<br /> She can do it, he can do it, so can I!<br /> Back-up Singers:<br /> If you've got the groove, you gotta use it.<br /> Rock rhythm in time with the music.<br /> You just might start a chain reaction...<br /> Bart: I'm a Bartman.<br /> Back-up Singers:<br /> Everybody, if you can, do the Bartman!<br /> Shake your body, turn it out, if you can, man!<br /> Move your butt to the side, as you can, can!<br /> Everybody in the house do the Bartman!<br /> Move you body, if you got the notion,<br /> Skake your body to the rock-like motion!<br /> Move your hips from side to side now,<br /> Don't ya slip, let your feet glide now!<br /> If you've got your groove, you gotta use it!<br /> Rock rhythm in time with the music!<br /> Bart: Eat your heart out, Michael!<br /> Back-up Singers: You just might start a chain reaction...<br /> Bart: Oh wow, man.<br /> <br />
    <br /><br />thats the video of the Bartman  ;) :<br />http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5159598/the_simpsons_do_the_bartman/
  • Did anyone notice that at the end of today's session that the judge just left the lady cop sitting in the booth and didn't dismiss her?
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    <br />Did anyone notice that at the end of today's session that the judge just left the lady cop sitting in the booth and didn't dismiss her?<br />
    <br /><br />LOL - I am not sure if they are supposed to be that sloppy or if they are just messing up. It's rather funny because the prosecutor didn't wear protective gloves while handling the evidence today. It reminded me of the magazine incident in the 2005 trial.<br /><br />The other thing I noticed but I'm not sure if it's usually done this way (doesn't sound like it should be) is that the judge tells the jury that if the information doesn't line up with what they remember to just go with their own interpretation. What about going with the facts that are presented?<br /><br />I saw the StarLine name on the blood pressure cuff box again and I'm sure it's a variation of the tour line. I'm going to search for the pictures and will post them.<br /><br />:) Blessings!
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    <br />Michael deserves more then an Oscar.. He is fantastic, slurring his words.. He is coherent that is for sure, he knows what he was talking about, so they cannot say he was drunk, doped or anything else. To me it sounds Michael did it un purpose like everything else he does, with the media. Jermaine vouched it.. Michael knew what he was saying, it was so beautiful for what he wants to do for the children in hospital. Does that sound a man who wants to kill himself with propofol? Give me a break.. <br /><br />Murray will be free, and Michael will come back. This is a great lessons to all the media in this world, to get the facts straight before any printing. blessings. <br />
    <br /><br />You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.<br /><br />Good job, Michael - you have the media buying this hook, line, and sinker.<br /><br />My request: can we see a picture on the judges desk of his mother? Thank you in advance :)
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    You're right. I got the impression that Michael had cotton in his mouth when he <br />was talking. LOL. I didn't believe for one minute that it was real.
    <br />LOL, cotton mouth, which reminds me of Marlon Brando who also had cotton in his mouth in "Godfather" (I can't remember which part). I believe Michael was a fan of Marlon Brando ;)  <br /> <br />
    <br /><br />Just heard it for the first time today. It sounds like he just had oral surgery- and/or as if he was holding his nose- VERY nasal. It's not slurred as much as spoken without breathing through the nose. Also, yes- I have heard my patients high on sedatives and high on other stuff- they are usually NOT this coherent. NO WAY!
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    <br />Did anyone notice that at the end of today's session that the judge just left the lady cop sitting in the booth and didn't dismiss her?<br />
    <br /><br />LOL - I am not sure if they are supposed to be that sloppy or if they are just messing up. It's rather funny because the prosecutor didn't wear protective gloves while handling the evidence today. It reminded me of the magazine incident in the 2005 trial.<br /><br />The other thing I noticed but I'm not sure if it's usually done this way (doesn't sound like it should be) is that the judge tells the jury that if the information doesn't line up with what they remember to just go with their own interpretation. What about going with the facts that are presented?<br /><br />I saw the StarLine name on the blood pressure cuff box again and I'm sure it's a variation of the tour line. I'm going to search for the pictures and will post them.<br /><br />:) Blessings!<br />
    <br /><br /><br />http://discoverstarline.com/<br /><br /><br />Starline makes those tour buses that entertainers use...the REALLY nice ones :)<br /><br /><br />Can someone explain to me WHY Michael would have a KNIFE on his end table?<br /><br /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/IMAG0775.jpg"><br /><br /><br />First the drugs and now a KNIFE?????????
  • Okay - so I am finding a StarLine manufacturer of blood pressure cuffs so perhaps it's real but I'm sure it has double meaning. Here is the picture of both companies. Also, TMZ has a connection to the StarLine Tours... :) <br />
  • VietnowVietnow Posts: 122
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    <br />Can I ask for something?  ;D<br /><br /><br />I wanna see a pair of sunglasses on a table somewhere in the court room :)<br />
    <br /><br />Preferably some Rayban aviators.  ;D
  • Snoopy71Snoopy71 Posts: 952
    http://discoverstarline.com/<br /><br /><br />Starline makes those tour buses that entertainers use...the REALLY nice ones :) <br /><br /><br />Can someone explain to me WHY Michael would have a KNIFE on his end table?<br /><br /><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/fatalkiss/IMAG0775.jpg"><br /><br /><br />First the drugs and now a KNIFE?????????<br /><br /> <br />A knife and a non working phone....good question :?
  • AndreaAndrea Posts: 3,787
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    <br />Okay - so I am finding a StarLine manufacturer of blood pressure cuffs so perhaps it's real but I'm sure it has double meaning. Here is the picture of both companies. Also, TMZ has a connection to the StarLine Tours... :) <br /><br /><br />
    <br /><br />Yes, the TMZ bus tours are through StarLine.  I took the tour on June 26th of this year and I would recommend it to anyone who goes to L.A.  It was a lot of fun and our tour guide Van is very funny and is regularly featured on the tv show.  He made fun of my friend and I for being the only Canadians on the bus.  We were simply called "Canada".  LOL. 
  • the knife is what threw me thru a loop...I went  WTF??
  • becbec Posts: 6,387
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    <br />Can I ask for something?  ;D <br /><br /><br />I wanna see a pair of sunglasses on a table somewhere in the court room :) <br />
    <br /><br />Preferably some Rayban aviators.  ;D <br />
    <br /><br /><br />Aviators might be too obvious but I second the sunglasses request.
  • msgitmmsgitm Posts: 186
    [embed=425,349] /><br />Notice where the blue ambu bag is in the original 09 "death" bed picture. How did it move from the left of the bed to the end of the bed? <br /><br />Sorry, I don't know how to insert a photo for comparison. Can someone enlighten me, please?  :idea:
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    Two other points of interest. <br />1.Today is the first day I’ve seen the prosecution wear gloves while handling evidence, and it seems he only did so due to handling bloody medicinal supplies. This is not routine practice.  I believe all evidence must be handled with gloves, period. Think back to the OJ trial - the glove in a glove… of course it didn’t fit!<br />2. The new clear version of MJ’s “death” photo put into evidence today is NOWHERE to be found on the net. Not even TMZ has published it.  ODD? I think so!
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