to answer the question about is that Michael when hes out with his kids...heres my take on it..if you watch the Barbara Walters interview when he talks about Prince when he was first born..Michael talks about how much the paparazzi tried so much to see Prince and how he look and all the coverage Prince got..and Michael wanted to come up with ways on how to protect the kids so they wont have to go through with what he went through..and to me personally i dont think covering up the kids faces was going to stop that entirely..what if Michael used "decoys" or hired fake kids to stand in as Paris, Prince and Blanket??..think its far fetched not all think of the many commercials with child actors pretending to be the children of the parents of that particular commercial <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->..think about it serious if he used doubles to stand in for him why not use decoys for the children??
my belief exactly. maybe the prince and paris and blanket today are decoys, hiding THE REAL kids.
Okay so have we ever seen the real kids ONCE then? What about all of those pictures from over the years, showing him with them, and it's obiviously the same kids as now? I've seen many stories from other singers he worked with or whatever where he brought the kids with him to the studio- how would they not speak out on how these aren't the same kids at all? How would not ONE picture of him with the real kids have surfaced since the 25th? Where would the real kids be if these that we see were out with him, and you can tell it's him? Personally, I think it's a bigger hassle to have to worry about extra kids living with you and getting used to you and probably caring at least a little about you nad vice-versa than it is to just worry about your own- and a little sick to just decide that other kids can be put in danger just because they're not yours..
Wow, this is messing with my head. <!-- s --><!-- s --> I wondered if there were more than one from the Bashit interview and then I was questioning it with Dangerous and HIStory tours but geez, this is taking it back. I never noticed it. I even saw these pics before on the old board but just couldn't see it. Now I do and now I'm confused. Which one is which? And don't get me started with what Grace posted. That is really blowing my mind (if it's true). Of course, I have to keep a critical eye on this but at this point, anything is possible.
EDIT: I think I figured it out. THE MJ with the longest face shape is the double and the one with the rounder face is the real one. And in the video, Liberian Girl, there was the one behind the camera (longer face) and the one in the mummy suit (the rounder face). Hmm...maybe my little theory is right after all that in the video, Liberian Girl, MJ was officially introducing his double in that video and has been the main MJ from that point on. Or maybe I need to be locked away in a padded room somewhere. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I understand that. But aren't you saying that there are like, tons that were on the verge of taking over his life for him and that took his place during concerts and interviews, things that are supposed to show his TRUE nature? And if the Illuminati are all about messing with his brain to make him do what they want, why hassle with hiring fakes? I just feel that Michael's entire indentity, persona and real, is being destroyed, Ifeel like I'm never sure who I'm seeing, and if I'm never sure who I'm seeing, how do I know that story he's telling about how he wrote Billie Jean is true? How do I know if that food he's saying is his favorite is really his favorite? Most of all, how do I know he really cares as much about poor, suffering children any more than the next Joe, orthe poor, poor woman he's dating or married or his kids..? Do you see what I mean? This makes me feel like everything is some kind of big act- I'm glad I haven't liked him all of my life now, I'd feel like I just wasted a lot of time.
I'm sorry, I just had to do what I did with your post. I understand your feelings, but isn't it about time to put your feelings aside and try to look at all that has happened from HIS point of view..?
ok this is starting to worry me..... why do i look at that pic and keep thinking thats michael...... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
either that... or its a damn good photoshop...
but with the height difference thing.. didnt mike wear boots with heels ?..... and if a double was used on stage... it would have to be a god damn good copy... voice and all... and i havent spotted one that looks exactly like him... that close up.
I've been reminded of something I read not too long after the events of 25th June. At the time I was unaware of hoax sites or even a death hoax for that matter and I had stumbled onto the site of This is not it. There was talk about the pressure of the 50 concert dates that supposedly " killed" MJ. But I remember reading a statement from somewhere else [ maybe aeg?] that brought up that MJ was only contracted to perform for so many minutes per night. At the time I dismissed this as a load of crap but now in light of these discussions maybe it was fact. Another thing playing on my mind is from Dangerous the short films DVD. In the clip for Gone Too Soon There is a quick shot of MJ at Ryan Whites funeral. There are def two different MJ's in this.
The pic from Grace's post was from this crazy TV documentary that used computer generated images to "reveal" what Mike "really" looked like. <!-- s --><!-- s --> There is a youtube video with this "face". I'll see if I can hunt down the original documentary. It was all pretty absurd.
I've been reminded of something I read not too long after the events of 25th June. At the time I was unaware of hoax sites or even a death hoax for that matter and I had stumbled onto the site of This is not it. There was talk about the pressure of the 50 concert dates that supposedly " killed" MJ. But I remember reading a statement from somewhere else [ maybe aeg?] that brought up that MJ was only contracted to perform for so many minutes per night. At the time I dismissed this as a load of crap but now in light of these discussions maybe it was fact. Another thing playing on my mind is from Dangerous the short films DVD. In the clip for Gone Too Soon There is a quick shot of MJ at Ryan Whites funeral. There are def two different MJ's in this.
i think it was ian harplin that said that about only contraced for a few mins.... but the actual contract says nothing of the sort.
The pic from Grace's post was from this crazy TV documentary that used computer generated images to "reveal" what Mike "really" looked like. <!-- s --><!-- s --> There is a youtube video with this "face". I'll see if I can hunt down the original documentary. It was all pretty absurd.
Oh great! There goes that theory. That actually makes me feel better. That was throwing me for a loop. I didn't even want to touch that. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Wow, this is messing with my head. <!-- s --><!-- s --> I wondered if there were more than one from the Bashit interview and then I was questioning it with Dangerous and HIStory tours but geez, this is taking it back. I never noticed it. I even saw these pics before on the old board but just couldn't see it. Now I do and now I'm confused. Which one is which? And don't get me started with what Grace posted. That is really blowing my mind (if it's true). Of course, I have to keep a critical eye on this but at this point, anything is possible.
EDIT: I think I figured it out. THE MJ with the longest face shape is the double and the one with the rounder face is the real one. And in the video, Liberian Girl, there was the one behind the camera (longer face) and the one in the mummy suit (the rounder face). Hmm...maybe my little theory is right after all that in the video, Liberian Girl, MJ was officially introducing his double in that video and has been the main MJ from that point on. Or maybe I need to be locked away in a padded room somewhere. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
yeah i believe double MJ has a longer face and long chin like O2 michael.
Wow, this is messing with my head. <!-- s --><!-- s --> I wondered if there were more than one from the Bashit interview and then I was questioning it with Dangerous and HIStory tours but geez, this is taking it back. I never noticed it. I even saw these pics before on the old board but just couldn't see it. Now I do and now I'm confused. Which one is which? And don't get me started with what Grace posted. That is really blowing my mind (if it's true). Of course, I have to keep a critical eye on this but at this point, anything is possible.
EDIT: I think I figured it out. THE MJ with the longest face shape is the double and the one with the rounder face is the real one. And in the video, Liberian Girl, there was the one behind the camera (longer face) and the one in the mummy suit (the rounder face). Hmm...maybe my little theory is right after all that in the video, Liberian Girl, MJ was officially introducing his double in that video and has been the main MJ from that point on. Or maybe I need to be locked away in a padded room somewhere. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
yeah i believe double MJ has a longer face and long chin like O2 michael.
the only thing is that they are the worst pics to comapre..imo... the WATW ones are at different angles and different lighting...... so really hard to make a judgement... and the bad ones... well hes pulling different faces <!-- s --><!-- s --> yet again i cant make any jusgements on it
to answer the question about is that Michael when hes out with his kids...heres my take on it..if you watch the Barbara Walters interview when he talks about Prince when he was first born..Michael talks about how much the paparazzi tried so much to see Prince and how he look and all the coverage Prince got..and Michael wanted to come up with ways on how to protect the kids so they wont have to go through with what he went through..and to me personally i dont think covering up the kids faces was going to stop that entirely..what if Michael used "decoys" or hired fake kids to stand in as Paris, Prince and Blanket??..think its far fetched not all think of the many commercials with child actors pretending to be the children of the parents of that particular commercial <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->..think about it serious if he used doubles to stand in for him why not use decoys for the children??
my belief exactly. maybe the prince and paris and blanket today are decoys, hiding THE REAL kids.
Okay so have we ever seen the real kids ONCE then? What about all of those pictures from over the years, showing him with them, and it's obiviously the same kids as now? I've seen many stories from other singers he worked with or whatever where he brought the kids with him to the studio- how would they not speak out on how these aren't the same kids at all? How would not ONE picture of him with the real kids have surfaced since the 25th? Where would the real kids be if these that we see were out with him, and you can tell it's him? Personally, I think it's a bigger hassle to have to worry about extra kids living with you and getting used to you and probably caring at least a little about you nad vice-versa than it is to just worry about your own- and a little sick to just decide that other kids can be put in danger just because they're not yours..
IMHO those are his real kids. They are beautiful and look like his family and Debbie as well. I wish all those skeptical of his children woulld just stop <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Could it be that the MJ we know was planted for marketing purposes to keep the brand going?
Just asking your thoughts.
I read the "Exclusive Interview" on that myspace in which a cloning process is described which allegedly took place in 1972. According to that interview the real MJ was replaced with a clone.
In order to clone scientists transplant the genetic information from a specialized cell into an unfertilized egg cell whose genetic information has been destroyed or physically removed. If the egg begins to divide normally it is transferred into the uterus of the surrogate mother.
Therefor it would have taken almost 15 years to produce a clone of the then 14 years old Michael Jackson, so that debunks that theory for me. Next to that we have no idea if cloning could be done already in 1972 as, to our knowledge, Dolly the Sheep was the first mammal to have been successfully cloned from an adult cell in 1996.
Ironically this guy also resembles Alfonso Ribeira (sp?), Carlton ... from Fresh Prince of Bel Air. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
Ok going backto Graces Pic....
ok this is starting to worry me..... why do i look at that pic and keep thinking thats michael...... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
either that... or its a damn good photoshop...
but with the height difference thing.. didnt mike wear boots with heels ?..... and if a double was used on stage... it would have to be a god damn good copy... voice and all... and i havent spotted one that looks exactly like him... that close up.
The pic from Grace's post was from this crazy TV documentary that used computer generated images to "reveal" what Mike "really" looked like. <!-- s --><!-- s --> There is a youtube video with this "face". I'll see if I can hunt down the original documentary. It was all pretty absurd.
Oh great! There goes that theory. That actually makes me feel better. That was throwing me for a loop. I didn't even want to touch that. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I don't see any ressemblance to Alfonso, sorry. Face shape is different.
I have seen some yellow press articles, youtube vids etc. on the imaginatory "future" faces of MJ if he had not turned into the person suffering from Vitiligo, having had nose jobs etc.
These two images however are the only somewhat natural pictures I came across.
I haven't seen them at any other place in the web though. And the forehead, eyes, nose and chin are far more matching young Michael from the Jackson5 than any other picture from the Michael we knew since Bad.
I would say the clone story is very far away but this guy does not go public nor seems eager for friends, log in, activity, publicity or anything that we know from MJ brand marketing.
Maybe the clone story is set up there to make him unbelievable and discredit him so he runs no risk to unveil the truth.
If he indeed resigned and let the place for some other, he for sure has signed some contract.
I have for the time being no indication that he is a wealthy billionaire by profiting from somebody. This makes me think that a closer look could be worthwhile.
Given that the known MJ is the "placed" doppelganger then also the kids are the decoy's kids and not real Michael's.
The doubles we have seen could then have been not the doubles of real MJ but of the doppelganger. And this would strenghten Mo's assumption that the doubles might have been forced into the plot in that way that no matter what there was always some person available to "play, dance, give interviews" for MJ in case of a dropout.
This would mean in the end that we were sold a "happy family" story when in fact the family was being abused, bought by $$$, silenced and - being happy to have escaped poverty as African Americans in times when this was not usual - did stick to their undisclosure agreements.
This could mean that the real MJ is happily and quietly married to a woman and has kids the world has never ever seen.
Strange?
There are thousands of families giving a child away for money. It happens every day.
It was usual for conservative Christians at times that the oldest son would become a monk to give "one son away to God" in order to secure blessings for the clan. Families do this.
WOOOOW..........that "real" MJ pic blew me away. What if that really is him?
That pic REALLY looks like him. Im speechless right now. It doesnt look PS to me...can anyone tell if it is or not? I need to know. I think we all do. This is messed up.
Thanks Grace!!!! LOL!
I cant even believe this...I dont know what to say.
What about MJ is Thriller and Bad? I think it was him in all the vids. I really do.
The pic from Grace's post was from this crazy TV documentary that used computer generated images to "reveal" what Mike "really" looked like. <!-- s --><!-- s --> There is a youtube video with this "face". I'll see if I can hunt down the original documentary. It was all pretty absurd.
WOOOOW..........that "real" MJ pic blew me away. What if that really is him?
That pic REALLY looks like him. Im speechless right now. It doesnt look PS to me...can anyone tell if it is or not? I need to know. I think we all do. This is messed up.
You mean the pic that looks like Alfonso Ribiero? lol
Yeah, it's shopped.
1)The eyes, nose, and mouth are too large for the face - in person he would look like an alien. <!-- s --><!-- s -->
2)There are clear lines of demarcation. I don't know how to draw on pictures, but there is a line that runs down the right side of the face that looks like it starts at the hat and runs down right next to the eyebrow and may end at the goatee. Then there is another line under the bottom lip but above the goatee that goes in a straight line across. I can see the lines because Michael's skin is lighter than the face that his features were photoshopped onto.
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Wow, this is messing with my head. <!-- s
EDIT: I think I figured it out. THE MJ with the longest face shape is the double and the one with the rounder face is the real one. And in the video, Liberian Girl, there was the one behind the camera (longer face) and the one in the mummy suit (the rounder face). Hmm...maybe my little theory is right after all that in the video, Liberian Girl, MJ was officially introducing his double in that video and has been the main MJ from that point on. Or maybe I need to be locked away in a padded room somewhere. <!-- s
I'm sorry, I just had to do what I did with your post. I understand your feelings, but isn't it about time to put your feelings aside and try to look at all that has happened from HIS point of view..?
ok this is starting to worry me..... why do i look at that pic and keep thinking thats michael...... <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
either that... or its a damn good photoshop...
but with the height difference thing.. didnt mike wear boots with heels ?..... and if a double was used on stage... it would have to be a god damn good copy... voice and all... and i havent spotted one that looks exactly like him... that close up.
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i think it was ian harplin that said that about only contraced for a few mins.... but the actual contract says nothing of the sort.
Oh great! There goes that theory. That actually makes me feel better. That was throwing me for a loop. I didn't even want to touch that. <!-- s
the only thing is that they are the worst pics to comapre..imo... the WATW ones are at different angles and different lighting...... so really hard to make a judgement... and the bad ones... well hes pulling different faces <!-- s
IMHO those are his real kids. They are beautiful and look like his family and Debbie as well. I wish all those skeptical of his children woulld just stop <!-- s
I read the "Exclusive Interview" on that myspace in which a cloning process is described which allegedly took place in 1972. According to that interview the real MJ was replaced with a clone.
In order to clone scientists transplant the genetic information from a specialized cell into an unfertilized egg cell whose genetic information has been destroyed or physically removed. If the egg begins to divide normally it is transferred into the uterus of the surrogate mother.
Therefor it would have taken almost 15 years to produce a clone of the then 14 years old Michael Jackson, so that debunks that theory for me. Next to that we have no idea if cloning could be done already in 1972 as, to our knowledge, Dolly the Sheep was the first mammal to have been successfully cloned from an adult cell in 1996.
I don't see any ressemblance to Alfonso, sorry. Face shape is different.
I have seen some yellow press articles, youtube vids etc. on the imaginatory "future" faces of MJ if he had not turned into the person suffering from Vitiligo, having had nose jobs etc.
These two images however are the only somewhat natural pictures I came across.
I haven't seen them at any other place in the web though. And the forehead, eyes, nose and chin are far more matching young Michael from the Jackson5 than any other picture from the Michael we knew since Bad.
I would say the clone story is very far away but this guy does not go public nor seems eager for friends, log in, activity, publicity or anything that we know from MJ brand marketing.
Maybe the clone story is set up there to make him unbelievable and discredit him so he runs no risk to unveil the truth.
If he indeed resigned and let the place for some other, he for sure has signed some contract.
I have for the time being no indication that he is a wealthy billionaire by profiting from somebody. This makes me think that a closer look could be worthwhile.
Given that the known MJ is the "placed" doppelganger then also the kids are the decoy's kids and not real Michael's.
The doubles we have seen could then have been not the doubles of real MJ but of the doppelganger. And this would strenghten Mo's assumption that the doubles might have been forced into the plot in that way that no matter what there was always some person available to "play, dance, give interviews" for MJ in case of a dropout.
This would mean in the end that we were sold a "happy family" story when in fact the family was being abused, bought by $$$, silenced and - being happy to have escaped poverty as African Americans in times when this was not usual - did stick to their undisclosure agreements.
This could mean that the real MJ is happily and quietly married to a woman and has kids the world has never ever seen.
Strange?
There are thousands of families giving a child away for money. It happens every day.
It was usual for conservative Christians at times that the oldest son would become a monk to give "one son away to God" in order to secure blessings for the clan. Families do this.
That pic REALLY looks like him. Im speechless right now. It doesnt look PS to me...can anyone tell if it is or not? I need to know. I think we all do. This is messed up.
Thanks Grace!!!! LOL!
I cant even believe this...I dont know what to say.
What about MJ is Thriller and Bad? I think it was him in all the vids. I really do.
OMG......... <!-- s:o -->:o<!-- s:o -->
I'm still trying to find the original TV special. It may not be available online. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
You mean the pic that looks like Alfonso Ribiero? lol
Yeah, it's shopped.
1)The eyes, nose, and mouth are too large for the face - in person he would look like an alien. <!-- s
2)There are clear lines of demarcation. I don't know how to draw on pictures, but there is a line that runs down the right side of the face that looks like it starts at the hat and runs down right next to the eyebrow and may end at the goatee. Then there is another line under the bottom lip but above the goatee that goes in a straight line across. I can see the lines because Michael's skin is lighter than the face that his features were photoshopped onto.