If you are going to criticise Debbie for SELLING children you also criticise Michael for BUYING children.
I AGREE.
There are surrogate mothers everywhere and this kind of thing happens everyday. It's also normal for them to get paid.
Obviously they don't normally get the kind of money Debbie has, but this is a bit of a special case. Most surrogate mothers also opt to never see the children again. I don't understand why this is all so BAD.
I would be a surrogate if I were approached correctly and correctly compensated. I do not want children, but there are people out there that deserve to be parents who CAN'T for whatever reason. If I could help them, I would.
MJ had an agreement with Debbie. Who are we to judge? I respect them both, personally.
I agree it was a private matter between the two of them and you have to respect that but have to say Debbie looked so in love in her pictures with Michael I admire her she is a gutsy lady
I agree it was a private matter between the two of them and you have to respect that but have to say Debbie looked so in love in her pictures with Michael I admire her she is a gutsy lady
She really is gutsy. And I admire her attitude, honestly. When it comes to the press and stuff. She doesn't take bullshit and I like that.
And think about it guys, there are millions of women that would have had Michael's kids. He chose Debbie for a reason, and it's just none of our business to try to speculate on it.
Former Jackson Associate Speaks Out
Former Confidant Details Lawsuit, Allegations of Drug Use, Financial Woes for 'King of Pop'
Nov. 17, 2004 --
"Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer and one-time Jackson confidant, filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court against Jackson seeking more than $3 million for alleged breach of contract and other agreements. In his lawsuit, Schaffel alleges the entertainer is broke and has had problems with drugs and lavish spending. In his complaint, which was obtained by ABC News, Schaffel says the pop star's need to borrow money "accelerated when Jackson's increasingly more frequent excessive use of drugs and alcohol impelled him into irrational demands for large amounts of money and extravagant possessions." In an exclusive interview with ABC News' senior legal correspondent Cynthia McFadden on "Good Morning America," Schaffel speculated that Jackson has a dependency on painkillers and pain medication and said the singer would call him in the middle of the night seeking loans for one of his spending sprees.
"When Michael would be on drugs, he would call two, three, four in the morning, very distorted," Schaffel said. "And he would say, 'Oh, can you give me $70,000 tomorrow? There's this table I saw. I gotta have it for my living room."
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Debbie at FL with Marc Schaffel (guy with mustache and glasses) in background.
Jackson also faced felony conspiracy charges that refer to alleged attempts to quiet the alleged victim and his family through five associates. One of those associates was Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer who has sued Jackson for breach of contract.(ABC News)
"What More Can I Give" is a song written by American musician Michael Jackson and recorded by a supergroup of singers following the September 11 attacks in 2001. "What More Can I Give" was scheduled for release as a charity single, in the hope that $50 million would be raised to aid the survivors and the families of victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.The plan, however, never came to fruition and the reasons why have varied between sources and the individuals involved. One newspaper stated that the release of the song was abandoned after it emerged that the executive producer had directed pornographic movies. The producer, Marc Schaffel, denied that he was to blame, and offered the opinion that the song was not released as part of a marketing ploy by Sony Music.
___________________________ Marc Schaffel seems to have been Debbie Rowe's spokesperson in this article from around the time of the Memorial in July.
(Link to See this article - it won't let me copy the photo of Debbie with Marc Schaffel in background)
"Contrary to previous reports, Debbie Rowe will not be attending Michael Jackson’s memorial tomorrow as a “VIP". A ticket was set aside for her as a VIP to the memorial. Mark Schaffel, a former associate of Michael’s, told GMA this morning, "Debbie will attend. We just got confirmation last night from the people who are handling the VIP seats that they do have Debbie's seats and she will be attending.” Schaffel went on to say Debbie has been trying to get in touch with the Jackson family, saying, "There has been outreach, unfortunately, like so many cases, there's so much going on that they just have not been able to make contact. There were several tries, just for the fact of phone numbers that had changed, you know, answering machines that were full. Contact had not been able to happen prior."
As for the custody battle, Schaffel said, "All I can say is the only one that could give an answer to that would be Debbie Rowe's lawyers, and they're the only ones that could make any kind of official statement on that or obviously make any statement regarding that.”
He is also in this video (March 4, 2009) from TMZ with her. Click on the link to see the video. Interesting that none of the video interviewers asked who he was.
Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace <!-- s --><!-- s -->IF Michael is alive , he wouldn't let her in on it .
How come that ALL the evidence we gathered over the last 8.5 months of Mike being alive is gone and forgotten the moment something like this pops up? It keeps amazing me how people can stress out at moments like these and jump to conclusions...
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...
Come on folks...breath in...breath out...and relax...
Hi Mo,
You're absolutely correct! Simply because Debbie Rowe is crying or whatever doesn't sway me in the least. Excuse me, but didn't she agree to have MJ's kids? She was a loyal fan of MJ's. She had pictures of him all over her apartment. She would do anything for Michael. Whether or not she is in on the hoax is another issue but I don't believe for one minute that her tears confirms MJ is gone. They have to do better than that. Trust me honey. I am relaxed. Keep the Faith!
Ok.. i was sceptical of this at the beginning because its a well known fact that the California Fans go there on the 3rd of every month to Forest Lawn.
Last month it was Dr Murrays time to rock up... and now this month Debbie shows up.
Who next? Lisa Marie? Karen Faye?... take your bets now!
Seems a bit planned to me, to be honest. For whatever reason, i do not know.
Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I cant say that divorce after two years meant it worked...
Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> there was no love for debbie from michael , it was all business for money , she gave him 2 children and he gave her millions , the only reason he married her was because he was thinking of changing over to muslim and they are against having a baby with a person your not married to , another one of Jermaine ideas , Jermaine seem to get him into alot of bad situations . <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
HELLO GUYS.WELL THIS DONT BRING ME DOWN.DEBBIE ROWE IS VISITING F.L.AND HIS OWN MOTHER NEVER DID??MAKES NO SENCE RIGHT!Thats because he's not there, that's why mama has not went. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: -->
Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I cant say that divorce after two years meant it worked...
Well imo Michael choose Debbie to have 2 children for him & that says alot to me, Michael trusted Debbie
Ok.. i was sceptical of this at the beginning because its a well known fact that the California Fans go there on the 3rd of every month to Forest Lawn.
Last month it was Dr Murrays time to rock up... and now this month Debbie shows up.
Who next? Lisa Marie? Karen Faye?... take your bets now!
Seems a bit planned to me, to be honest. For whatever reason, i do not know.
Ok.. i was sceptical of this at the beginning because its a well known fact that the California Fans go there on the 3rd of every month to Forest Lawn.
Last month it was Dr Murrays time to rock up... and now this month Debbie shows up.
Who next? Lisa Marie? Karen Faye?... take your bets now!
Seems a bit planned to me, to be honest. For whatever reason, i do not know.
LOL!
HOW ABOUT MJ?
Lol. TMZ: BREAKING NEWS! MICHAEL JACKSON VISITS HIS OWN TOMB!
I really think mentioning the link was an occasion, something that fitted in, for tmz.I do not believe that they did not realise the side effects. So, I guess it also is an offer to read between the lines.Like everything in the entire story since 25.6, no clear evidence (YET!), always on <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> the MAYBE base. Stay alerted!
Hmm. First CM, then Debbie. Who's going to be next? Hmm, I know! How about someone who was actually close to him recently?!! <!-- s --><!-- s --> That would be nice, instead of someone he hasn't had anything to do with for a while & a man accused of killing him <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> How about an actual FRIEND?!! or how about a family member?!! Since supposedly, it's limited to "only family" now. It doesn't necessarily have to be one of his kids, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews or parents but doesn't he have any cousins?? any Uncles or Aunts still living?? Wouldn't they be allowed to visit, if he does?? <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Why does anyone think what happened between Michael & Debbie is there business??? As with any couple in a relationship it is between the two people, if it worked for Debbie & Michael who are we to speculate?!?!?! <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I cant say that divorce after two years meant it worked...
Well imo Michael choose Debbie to have 2 children for him & that says alot to me, Michael trusted Debbie
i heard her say in an interview that mike was desperate to have his own kids and she then 'volunteered' to have them for him. there was no choice on his side. he wanted kids and she said 'i'll be your surrogate'. i also think that her feelings were much stronger to begin with and she might have thought it would result in a relationship, which it didn't.
btw, i was only married for 2 years myself, within a 5 year-relationship, so that is nothing unusual. plus, i think mike wanted to please his mother by marrying debbie, like an approval of sorts. also, the kids' were supposed to be born 'jackson', not 'rowe', so there had to be a marriage to 'secure' the name. going through the motions... <!-- s --><!-- s -->
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I AGREE.
There are surrogate mothers everywhere and this kind of thing happens everyday. It's also normal for them to get paid.
Obviously they don't normally get the kind of money Debbie has, but this is a bit of a special case. Most surrogate mothers also opt to never see the children again. I don't understand why this is all so BAD.
I would be a surrogate if I were approached correctly and correctly compensated. I do not want children, but there are people out there that deserve to be parents who CAN'T for whatever reason. If I could help them, I would.
MJ had an agreement with Debbie. Who are we to judge? I respect them both, personally.
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She really is gutsy. And I admire her attitude, honestly. When it comes to the press and stuff. She doesn't take bullshit and I like that.
And think about it guys, there are millions of women that would have had Michael's kids. He chose Debbie for a reason, and it's just none of our business to try to speculate on it.
Who is Marc Schaffel?
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Former Jackson Associate Speaks Out
Former Confidant Details Lawsuit, Allegations of Drug Use, Financial Woes for 'King of Pop'
Nov. 17, 2004 --
"Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer and one-time Jackson confidant, filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court against Jackson seeking more than $3 million for alleged breach of contract and other agreements. In his lawsuit, Schaffel alleges the entertainer is broke and has had problems with drugs and lavish spending. In his complaint, which was obtained by ABC News, Schaffel says the pop star's need to borrow money "accelerated when Jackson's increasingly more frequent excessive use of drugs and alcohol impelled him into irrational demands for large amounts of money and extravagant possessions." In an exclusive interview with ABC News' senior legal correspondent Cynthia McFadden on "Good Morning America," Schaffel speculated that Jackson has a dependency on painkillers and pain medication and said the singer would call him in the middle of the night seeking loans for one of his spending sprees.
"When Michael would be on drugs, he would call two, three, four in the morning, very distorted," Schaffel said. "And he would say, 'Oh, can you give me $70,000 tomorrow? There's this table I saw. I gotta have it for my living room."
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Debbie at FL with Marc Schaffel (guy with mustache and glasses) in background.
According to this link from ABC News, if you look at photo #7 this is Marc Schaffel from article "Jackson Case Key Players"
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Jackson also faced felony conspiracy charges that refer to alleged attempts to quiet the alleged victim and his family through five associates. One of those associates was Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer who has sued Jackson for breach of contract. (ABC News)
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"What More Can I Give" is a song written by American musician Michael Jackson and recorded by a supergroup of singers following the September 11 attacks in 2001. "What More Can I Give" was scheduled for release as a charity single, in the hope that $50 million would be raised to aid the survivors and the families of victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.The plan, however, never came to fruition and the reasons why have varied between sources and the individuals involved. One newspaper stated that the release of the song was abandoned after it emerged that the executive producer had directed pornographic movies. The producer, Marc Schaffel, denied that he was to blame, and offered the opinion that the song was not released as part of a marketing ploy by Sony Music.
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Marc Schaffel seems to have been Debbie Rowe's spokesperson in this article from around the time of the Memorial in July.
(Link to See this article - it won't let me copy the photo of Debbie with Marc Schaffel in background)
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July 06, 2009
"Contrary to previous reports, Debbie Rowe will not be attending Michael Jackson’s memorial tomorrow as a “VIP". A ticket was set aside for her as a VIP to the memorial. Mark Schaffel, a former associate of Michael’s, told GMA this morning, "Debbie will attend. We just got confirmation last night from the people who are handling the VIP seats that they do have Debbie's seats and she will be attending.” Schaffel went on to say Debbie has been trying to get in touch with the Jackson family, saying, "There has been outreach, unfortunately, like so many cases, there's so much going on that they just have not been able to make contact. There were several tries, just for the fact of phone numbers that had changed, you know, answering machines that were full. Contact had not been able to happen prior."
As for the custody battle, Schaffel said, "All I can say is the only one that could give an answer to that would be Debbie Rowe's lawyers, and they're the only ones that could make any kind of official statement on that or obviously make any statement regarding that.”
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Hi Mo,
You're absolutely correct! Simply because Debbie Rowe is crying or whatever doesn't sway me in the least. Excuse me, but didn't she agree to have MJ's kids? She was a loyal fan of MJ's. She had pictures of him all over her apartment. She would do anything for Michael. Whether or not she is in on the hoax is another issue but I don't believe for one minute that her tears confirms MJ is gone. They have to do better than that. Trust me honey. I am relaxed. Keep the Faith!
Last month it was Dr Murrays time to rock up... and now this month Debbie shows up.
Who next? Lisa Marie? Karen Faye?... take your bets now!
Seems a bit planned to me, to be honest. For whatever reason, i do not know.
I cant say that divorce after two years meant it worked...
Well imo Michael choose Debbie to have 2 children for him & that says alot to me, Michael trusted Debbie
LOL!
HOW ABOUT MJ?
Lol. TMZ: BREAKING NEWS! MICHAEL JACKSON VISITS HIS OWN TOMB!
I bet they love us.
I really think mentioning the link was an occasion, something that fitted in, for tmz.I do not believe that they did not realise the side effects. So, I guess it also is an offer to read between the lines.Like everything in the entire story since 25.6, no clear evidence (YET!), always on <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> the MAYBE base. Stay alerted!
i heard her say in an interview that mike was desperate to have his own kids and she then 'volunteered' to have them for him. there was no choice on his side. he wanted kids and she said 'i'll be your surrogate'. i also think that her feelings were much stronger to begin with and she might have thought it would result in a relationship, which it didn't.
btw, i was only married for 2 years myself, within a 5 year-relationship, so that is nothing unusual. plus, i think mike wanted to please his mother by marrying debbie, like an approval of sorts. also, the kids' were supposed to be born 'jackson', not 'rowe', so there had to be a marriage to 'secure' the name. going through the motions... <!-- s
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