<br />a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21<br />b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7<br />c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7<br />d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)<br />e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09<br />f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)<br />g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999<br />h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998<br />i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999<br />j. 777 + 999 = 1776<br />k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111<br />l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)<br /><br />http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/tiai_update_6_5.php<br />
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<br />Certainly different type of numerology from what I know. Thank you Souza. <br /><br />@Bec, I won't bother reading TS as detailed as you do. Sooner or later everything will be clear anyway.<br /> BTW, as much as I read TS posts, I found many incosistencies.<br />
<br /><br />[size=12pt]@ scorpion, are you talking of TS inconsistencies in this thread or the numerology thread? either way if you see inconsistencies you should share them with other members. more eyes on a subject often bring clarity. perhaps some of the percieved inconsistencies could be debunked or on the flip side supported (with evidence and reasons why for the argument) by others.<br /><br />if it is within the TIAI threads that you see inconsistancies with TS posts, definitely point it out. So that we can investigate your theory or doubt. (@ others - not saying investigate the authenticity of TS rather aspecific percieved inconsistancy) this is part of the investigation. you might have your question or doubt answered if you share the info. <br /><br /><br />@others - btw, for anyone who hasnt read it, the numerology thread is really worth reading. i didnt understand the concept (not a numbers person by any stretch of the imagination!) until i read that entire thread. a must read for a true hoaxer. if you then disagree with it after reading it, then at least you are making an informed decision. but to disagree with it without looking at it is IMO foolish, as with everything abt this hoax, things need to be looked at from all angles. not just our favourite angles. but that is just my personal opinion. [/size]
Can anyone come up with the longest time that UCLA has worked a flat-lined patient, before calling the death?<br /><br />Also might check other hospitals, for comparison.
<br />BTW, as much as I read TS posts, I found many incosistencies.<br />
<br /><br />Could you give one or two examples?<br /><br />MANY people have tried to debunk what I have said, and so far EVERYONE who has attempted has failed. So if you can do it, you would be the very first one in more than two years of failed attempts!<br />
<br /><br />I won't fail trust me and I have written about them in my previous posts. The problem is it will take time to recall or find my posts. I'll try to do that. There were inconsistencies otherwise I would never say so; I don't blame people in vain. Don't be scared be wrong, you are human, right? <br /><br />
have no idea how to even begin working out how long UCLA will work on a flatliner - let alone the longest flat liner...<br /><br />but will look at some cardiology / hoispital links applicable to australia in my research.<br /><br />naturally i know what flatline is. but just thought i would put the wiki description here as it contained additional info that i was not aware of that may be useful - considering chest compressions were being done at carolwood<br /><br />A flatline is an electrical time sequence measurement that shows no activity and therefore when represented, shows a flat line instead of a moving one. It almost always refers to either a flatlined electrocardiogram, where the heart shows no electrical activity (asystole), or to a flat electroencephalogram, in which the brain shows no electrical activity (brain death). Both of these specific cases are involved in various definitions of death. Some consider one who has flatlined to be clinically dead, regardless of eventual resuscitation or lack thereof, whereas others insist that one is alive until the moment of brain death. This is mostly used in the medical industry when a person's pulse has stopped, indicating a flat line on the heart monitor.<br /> <br />When a patient displays a cardiac flatline, the treatment of choice is an injection of vasopressin (epinephrine and atropine are also possibilities) [1] and chest compressions. Successful resuscitation is generally unlikely and is inversely related to the length of time spent attempting resuscitation. Despite defibrillation commonly appearing on medical dramas as a remedy for asystole, it is usually not done when there is a total absence of electrical activity, as it could actually make it more difficult to restart the heart.<br /> <br />A flatline will also be generated if all leads are disconnected from the patient.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatline<br />
<br />Can anyone come up with the longest time that UCLA has worked a flat-lined patient, before calling the death?<br /><br />Also might check other hospitals, for comparison.<br />
<br /><br />I just found this......EDIT: although this is about people who lived!<br /><br />http://www.cpr-etc.com/michael-jackson-cpr.html<br /><br />[size=12pt]UCLA Med Center Pioneers Lifesaving Technology - Could it Have Saved Michael Jackson?[/size]<br /><br />When Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest, rescuers took him to a place known for bringing the dead back to life. A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours. <br />Tested on a few dozen cardiac arrest patients, 80 percent survived. Usually, more than 80 percent perish.<br />"They took people who were basically dead, not all that different than Michael Jackson, and saved most of them," said Dr. Lance Becker, anemergency medicine specialist at the University of Pennsylvania and an American Heart Association spokesman.<br />Could Jackson, too, have been saved?<br />It's impossible to know. Doctors at the hospital worked on him for an hour. The UCLA expert, cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Gerald Buckberg, said he was not personally involved in Jackson's treatment, and that too little is known about what preceded it.<br />"We have no idea when he died versus when he was found," Buckberg said in a telephone interview.<br />However, the results in other patients show that "the window is wide open to new thinking" about how long people can be successfully resuscitated after their hearts quit beating, Buckberg said. "We can salvage them way beyond the current time frames that are used. We've changed the concept of when the heart is dead permanently."<br />They call it "the Lazarus syndrome" for the man the Bible says Jesus raised from the dead.<br />Let's be clear: No one is saying that people long dead without medical attention can be revived. The lucky ones in Buckberg's study received quick help, and the reason they suffered cardiac arrest was known and could be fixed: blocked arteries causing a heart attack, in most cases.<br />Buckberg's method requires:<br />_Prompt CPR — rhythmic chest compressions — to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.<br />_Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.<br />_Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.<br />Without all three elements, patients might suffer brain damage if they survive at all.<br />"You can save the heart and lose the brain," Buckberg explained.<br />UCLA and hospitals in Birmingham, Ala.; Ann Arbor, Mich.; and in Germany tested Buckberg's method on 34 patients who had been in cardiac arrest for an average of 72 minutes. All had failed resuscitation methods with standard CPR and defibrillation to try to shock their hearts back to beating.<br />Only seven died. Only two survivors were left with permanent neurological damage. Results were published in 2006 in the journal Resuscitation.<br />Dr. Constantine Athanasuleas (pronounced uh-than-uh-SOO'-lee-us), a surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, treated one man in the study who had been in cardiac arrest for about an hour and a half. The man's wife, a nurse, did CPR until a helicopter brought him to the hospital.<br />"He was flatlined," with a heart "as still as your dining room table," Athanasuleas said.<br />Doctors put him on a heart-lung machine, whisked him to the catheterization lab to see if he had artery blockages, then did bypass surgery to detour around them.<br />"The guy went home and was neurologically perfect" at least two years later, the doctor said.<br />Buckberg treated a woman who had been in cardiac arrest for 2 1/2 hours.<br />He would not send her to the operating room until her CPR and blood pressure could be maintained so further treatment could be attempted, he said.<br />Sadly, the woman survived all this but died several weeks later from an infection.<br />Buckberg has taken his work further in experiments with pigs in cardiac arrest. He deliberately deprived their brains of blood flow for half an hour, then used his resuscitation techniques to bring them back, with normal or near-normal function. Results presented at a heart association conference last fall stunned many, including Dr. Myron Weisfeldt, a cardiologist and chairman of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.<br />"He's doing extraordinary things. You almost don't believe the results that he got," Weisfeldt said of Buckberg. "Most of us carry around in our head that if somebody's brain is deprived of blood flow for 10 to 15 minutes that we're just not going to get them back to any useful function. His data suggest it's possible."<br />Doctors in Japan, Taiwan and elsewhere in Asia have tried approaches similar to Buckberg's with excellent results, said Becker, who is about to try it in Philadelphia.<br />"It takes training. It takes rethinking" to get doctors to adopt something this new, and funding for bigger studies to prove it works, Buckberg said<br /><br /><br /><br />
Here's what I've been able to find with just a quick glance (but one is a media article and the other is a personal story...so not sure how accurate or credible they are). There may be more out there but would need time to research and verify the info:<br /><br />-Oconee Medical Center: Worked on a 52-year-old male for 45 minutes and had called the death before a nurse felt a faint pulse.<br />http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/28871606/ns/today-today_people/t/call-him-officer-lazarus-cop-survives-flatlining-twice/<br /><br />-On 24th October 2008, Dr Sean George, a consultant physician in a West Australian hospital, returned from the dead to amaze colleagues who had battled for almost 55 minutes to revive his lifeless heart. <br />http://www.seangeorge.com.au/<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
OK, i have just found out from a (very close) friend / Registered nurse in Australia, that sometimes when a patient 'flatlines' they 'shock' him or her for ten to 15 mins after the heart stops. he said 'They mostly try for the family so the family can see a all attempts are being made for lifesaving, even though they know it more than likely wont change the result. its to demonstrate that all attempts of revival is being made, however 99 percent of the time it doesnt work (that is, shock after flatline) he also mentioned that what you see on TV - defibing after flatline and then revival - is mostly fictional and rarely happens.<br /><br />also with compressions or defibing, if they cant start it in a certian amount of time brain damage is likely to occur. brain damage can set in anywhere between 6 and 15 minutes.<br /><br />my friend actually works in triage nurse in the ER dept. Royal Melb hospital - so i do believe this information is credible.
@ be the change - LOL - our posts totally contradict each other ::D<br /><br />anyways, i am just posting the info i have been told. i am sure in freak instances death defies the odds and people do come back after flat lining for more than 15 mins..<br /><br />
They call it "the Lazarus syndrome" for the man the Bible says Jesus raised from the dead.<br /><br />Let's be clear: No one is saying that people long dead without medical attention can be revived. The lucky ones in Buckberg's study received quick help, and the reason they suffered cardiac arrest was known and could be fixed: blocked arteries causing a heart attack, in most cases.<br /><br />Buckberg's method requires:<br /><br />_Prompt CPR — rhythmic chest compressions — to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.<br /><br />_Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.<br /><br />_Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.<br /><br />Without all three elements, patients might suffer brain damage if they survive at all.<br /><br />"You can save the heart and lose the brain," Buckberg explained.<br /><br />UCLA and hospitals in Birmingham, Ala.; Ann Arbor, Mich.; and in Germany tested Buckberg's method on 34 patients who had been in cardiac arrest for an average of 72 minutes. All had failed resuscitation methods with standard CPR and defibrillation to try to shock their hearts back to beating.<br /><br />Only seven died. Only two survivors were left with permanent neurological damage. Results were published in 2006 in the journal Resuscitation.
http://www.cpr-etc.com/michael-jackson-cpr.html<br /><br />And etc etc.<br /><br />But those are different circumstances. They weren't patients left at the scene for ~45 minutes prior to receiving ER care. They had known conditions and the causation of the cardiac arrest was correctable. They also received correct (ahem) CPR. This article seems to indicate that makes a difference. The patient would also have to be receiving this specialized rescessitation care as described.<br /><br />By contrast, we supposedly have MJ at Carrolwood waiting for Murray to argue with Paramedics that he's not dead yet while he picks up Propofol bottles, before he's transported to the ER where they believe he is a healthy 50 year old male with unknown cause cardiac arrest.<br /><br />We knew about this article in 2009 and it didn't seem relavent to the circumstances around MJ's death. It seems even less relevant now.
<br />... At the hospital it was Murray who urged the DR.'s to keep going and it is my belief that he finally said at the correct hoax time of death (2:26) ok you can call it. I have wrote about my theory regarding Murray being the influence on Cooper to call time of death in another thread. <br />
<br /><br />I might also point out that the 2:26 death time is the least important of all the numerology. So even IF the death had been called earlier, it would not change the major times/dates (12:21, 9-9-09, etc).<br />
Oh ok now you say it. This whole time I was under the impression that 2:26 was important because it made it into the list that Souza posted on the other page. It was actually the 2nd thing you wrote for the numerology aspect. This has been a long held belief and it was important enough for others as they have used that as a reason for Cooper to be in on it. fresse/<br /><br />Adi-right on! I found the same thing, you beat me in posting.
<br />... At the hospital it was Murray who urged the DR.'s to keep going and it is my belief that he finally said at the correct hoax time of death (2:26) ok you can call it. I have wrote about my theory regarding Murray being the influence on Cooper to call time of death in another thread. <br />
<br /><br />I might also point out that the 2:26 death time is the least important of all the numerology. So even IF the death had been called earlier, it would not change the major times/dates (12:21, 9-9-09, etc).<br /><br />
Oh ok now you say it. This whole time I was under the impression that 2:26 was important because it made it into the list that Souza posted on the other page. It was actually the 2nd thing you wrote for the numerology aspect. This has been a long held belief and it was important enough for others as they have used that as a reason for Cooper to be in on it. fresse/<br /><br />Adi-right on! I found the same thing, you beat me in posting.<br />
<br /><br />;)<br /><br />I think you, Bec and I were on the same wavelength at that moment (and webpage)! <br />
Jermaine said: “He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us, WAY BEFORE he arrived to the airport. ... I mean way before he arrived to the hospital. ... they were always after him, and he felt that his life was going to be taken.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5OOwLcE_6Q}.<br /><br />The non-believers think that this was just a random mistake (not a clue, not an accidental slip). However, notice that shortly before saying “airport”, he paused a bit; so there was ample time for him to collect his thoughts, and get the wording right.<br /><br />Furthermore, if it really was just a mistake, how many words are there in the dictionary? What are the odds that a random mistake would produce the word “airport”? And what are the odds that the mistake happened precisely where the word “hospital” was supposed to be, and not during any one of the many other words during his interview?<br /><br />I heard one non-believer try to explain it, by saying that Jermaine had recently arrived by plane; therefore, he had the “airport” on his mind when he was speaking. I think we can buy that excuse, as soon as we find examples of people in interviews accidentally using the word “restroom”—merely because they had used the restroom, shortly before their interview started.<br /><br />So if the word “airport” from Jermaine was not a random mistake: it was either an accidental slip-up, or an intentional clue. Either way, it would be the truth. You don’t accidentally let a lie slip out, no, when you accidentally spill the beans—it is the truth. And if it was an intentional clue, then I think we should also accept it as truth (unless we have two or three very strong reasons which show that it is not the truth). If Jermaine was merely trying to indicate the hoax, but not trying to indicate that MJ went to the airport: then he could’ve easily said many other things, such as: “… way before he got out of the van, I mean way before he was taken out of the ambulance.”<br /><br />If we can’t trust the hoax clues from the family, then we really don’t have much left. Yes, we would still have plenty of evidence that MJ himself planned and knew the exact day in advance; but the most reliable source of evidence that he succeeded in his plan, is the family. And if we can’t trust the “airport” clue from Jermaine, then how can we trust the “Illusionist” clue from La Toya—or any other hoax clues from the family? We should either join the non-believers (and dismiss the hoax clues from the family, they are ALL merely coincidence, etc), or else we should accept that the family is leading us to the truth.<br /><br />When Jermaine said “way before”, this indicates that MJ left for the airport long before the ambulance went to the hospital. And for those who have been following the hoax from the beginning: you know that almost from the very first day, it was reported that MJ flew out of LAX on a private jet. So this “airport” belief did not get started from Jermaine’s statement; instead, Jermaine VERIFIED the truthfulness of MJ flying out of LAX.<br /><br />So now I have given two strong points for MJ not going to the hospital. #1 It would be an unnecessary risk of MJ being bumped off, when the world thinks he’s already dead (even if this was a low risk, it was still a risk—and an unnecessary risk, at that). #2 Jermaine’s “airport” clue, plus the very early hoax reports, point to MJ going to the airport instead of the hospital. And I still have three more strong points on this, yet to come (total of five reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital).<br />
Hi TS<br /><br />Since the beginning I've been screaming about UCLA being the hospital that brings people back from the dead.<br /><br />Thanks Adi for posting that article. When I first read that article two years ago, (I actually googled UCLA as soon as I heard MJ was taken to hospital) and thought that good he has gone to the best hospital in the world.<br /><br />About revivals, I have an uncle and another distant uncle who were revived after 10 and 15 mins and both had no medical help inbetween or brain damage at all. Actually it has been proved that if you do chest compressions till you get the defib then the brain does not die, as it helps the blood circulation and the brain gets enough oxygen. <br /><br />
In 1960 the three investigators reported their findings on 20 cases of in-hospital cardiac arrest in JAMA.[7] Fourteen of the 20 patients (70%) survived and were discharged from the hospital. Many of the patients were in cardiac arrest as a result of anaesthesia. Three patients were documented to be in ventricular fibrillation. The duration of chest compression varied from less than 1 minute to 65 minutes. The JAMA article was very straightforward: chest compression buys time until the external defibrillator arrives on the scene. As the authors write in the article, "Anyone, anywhere, can now initiate cardiac resuscitative procedures. All that is needed is two hands". However, respiration received relatively little attention in the 1960 JAMA article. Many of the patients had been intubated and thus the need for mouth-to-mouth ventilation was not necessary. It was not long however, before this newly discovered technique was used in conjunction with the longer held techniques of artificial respiration.
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Beck realized that ventricular fibrillation often occurred in hearts that were basically sound and he coined the phrase "Hearts too good to die." In 1947, Beck accomplished his first successful resuscitation of a 14-year-old boy using open chest massage and internal defibrillation with alternating current. The boy was being operated on for a severe congenital funnel chest. In all other respects the boy was normal. During the closure of the large incision in the chest, the pulse suddenly stopped and the blood pressure fell to zero. The boy was in cardiac arrest. Dr. Beck immediately reopened the chest and began manual heart massage. As he looked at and felt the heart, he realized that ventricular fibrillation was present. Massage was continued for 35 minutes at which time an electrocardiogram was taken that confirmed the presence of ventricular fibrillation. Another 10 minutes passed before the defibrillator was brought to the operating room. The first shock using electrode paddles placed directly on the sides of the heart was unsuccessful. Beck administered procaine amide, a medicine to stabilize the heart’s rhythm. Beck gave a second shock that wiped out the fibrillation. In a very few seconds a feeble, regular, and fast contraction of the heart occurred. The blood pressure rose from zero to 50 millimeters of mercury. Beck noted that the heartbeat remained regular and saw that the pressure slowly began to rise. Twenty minutes after the successful defibrillation, the chest wound was closed. By three hours, the blood pressure rose to a normal level, and the child awoke and was able to answer questions. The boy made a full recovery, with no neurological damage.[9]
<br />Oh ok now you say it. This whole time I was under the impression that 2:26 was important because it made it into the list that Souza posted on the other page. It was actually the 2nd thing you wrote for the numerology aspect. This has been a long held belief and it was important enough for others as they have used that as a reason for Cooper to be in on it. fresse/ <br />
<br /><br />Nobody would be in on it, MERELY to fulfill the numerology. However, those who were already in on it, were used to implement the numerology and timing. For example, coroner was needed to be in on it, so coroner was used to finalize autopsy on 9-9-09; but if coroner was not already in the hoax for other reasons, they would not be brought into the hoax just to put 9-9-09 on the report.<br /><br />The numerology list (see below) was not given in order of importance, rather it was given in chronological order (sequence events happened) and/or logical order (similar concepts together, such as 1998). But 2:26 is least important because it is not divisible by 111; it does not point directly to end of the world (1221), it does not point to NWO upside down (999), it does not point to death date (2040), etc. However, it does help validate that 12:21 was planned (see b and c, below).<br /><br />a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21<br />b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7<br />c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7<br />d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)<br />e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09<br />f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)<br />g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999<br />h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998<br />i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999<br />j. 777 + 999 = 1776<br />k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111<br />l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)<br /><br /><br />
Oh TS it's so good to see you back.<br />I agreed about the airport thing all along this thread.<br />Now when it comes from you it's more convincing.<br /><br />Waiting for more.
TS, no matter who the source is, their information is subject to individual examination, no? In other words, you have to take everything at face value regardless of who's spouting it. Whether it's the President or your next door neighbor... does what they are saying make sense and fit with the information we already have? <br />
<br />TS, no matter who the source is, their information is subject to individual examination, no? In other words, you have to take everything at face value regardless of who's spouting it. Whether it's the President or your next door neighbor... does what they are saying make sense and fit with the information we already have? <br />
<br /><br />Agreed. That is why I am giving five different reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital. Jermaine's clue/slip is only one of the five.<br /><br />Also, where are two or three strong points that MJ did go to the hospital?
This article states a boy was revived after seven hours...face down in a pond...though, not UCLA, so never-mind it....but it is interesting to know.<br /><br />Seven-hour battle to revive frozen boy<br />By Nick Britten<br />London<br />July 16, 2004<br /><br />A two-year-old boy was brought back to life by doctors more than seven hours after he was discovered face down in a garden pond.<br /><br />Joe Towey's heart stopped beating when he fell into the freezing water and the temperature was so cold his body "froze" - protecting his brain and giving doctors crucial time to get his heart pumping.<br /><br />Giving him constant heart massage, they warmed him up slowly and after five hours detected a heartbeat. Two hours later he reached normal body temperature and has now made a full recovery.<br /><br />Dr Nick Makwana, who led the resuscitation team, said: "It was remarkable, the sort of thing that reminds me why I do this job. I understand it is the longest time ever spent successfully resuscitating someone in this country."<br /><br />Joe's apparently lifeless body was found in his garden pond in Birmingham by his mother, Jennifer Nock. She and Joe's father, Michael Towey, began heart massage and mouth-to-mouth before the paramedics arrived.<br /><br />Joe was taken to hospital, where the long process of resuscitation began. On arrival, his body temperature had fallen from the normal 37.5 degrees to 26 degrees.<br /><br />Doctors are obliged to continue working on a patient until the core temperature reaches 32 degrees. They then begin to assess brain damage.<br /><br />For hours they slowly warmed Joe up by flushing warm water through organs such as his bladder and wrapping him in blankets, all the while taking turns to massage his heart.<br /><br />Dr Makwana, a specialist registrar in pediatrics, said: "Joe wasn't breathing, he had no heartbeat and his pupils were not responding to light.<br /><br />"We didn't give him a great chance of living. At the very least we thought he would have some degree of brain damage. For the whole seven hours we had to take it in turn to massage his heart.<br /><br />"After around six hours his eyes started reacting to light, which came as a great surprise as it meant he might not have suffered severe brain damage. To hear he is completely recovered is fantastic."<br /><br />Details of Joe's case emerged yesterday when his parents agreed to talk about it now that he had made a full recovery.<br /><br />Mr Towey, 42, said Joe was "effectively dead" when they pulled him from the water on Boxing Day.<br /><br />He was placed on a life-support machine for two weeks for further tests to assess any damage, and was kept in hospital for three more weeks.<br /><br />Ms Nock, 28, said: "One morning he opened his eyes and looked up at Michael. You could tell he recognised him and from that moment we knew he would be fine."<br /><br />- Telegraph<br /><br />http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/15/1089694486512.html?from=storylhs<br /><br />*funny coincidence he looked up and saw Michael......... <br /><br />Blessings Always
When Jermaine said “way before”, this indicates that MJ left for the airport long before the ambulance went to the hospital. And for those who have been following the hoax from the beginning: you know that almost from the very first day, it was reported that MJ flew out of LAX on a private jet. So this “airport” belief did not get started from Jermaine’s statement; instead, Jermaine VERIFIED the truthfulness of MJ flying out of LAX.<br /><br />So now I have given two strong points for MJ not going to the hospital. #1 It would be an unnecessary risk of MJ being bumped off, when the world thinks he’s already dead (even if this was a low risk, it was still a risk—and an unnecessary risk, at that). #2 Jermaine’s “airport” clue, plus the very early hoax reports, point to MJ going to the airport instead of the hospital. And I still have two more strong points on this, yet to come (total of four reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital).
<br /><br />It would be an unnecessary risk of MJ being bumped off, when the world thinks he’s already dead....<br /><br />TS....Do you mean that he could of been "bumped off" in the hospital/ambulance or at this home ???
So did the Illuminati outthink him? Or did he outthink them, AND FLY OUT OF THE COUNTRY HOURS BEFORE THE KICKOFF TIME?
<br /><br />So these Illuminati - who are they? Or should I ask in this particular case of Michael Jackson - who are they?<br />I imagine they must be some people who could get close to Michael one way or another, like people from AEG maybe?? Or guards? Could they be the subject of a sting operation? Because I've seen no real actions to indicate at least partially the success of a sting operation. Or maybe it's another kind of sting than we think of? A sting without legal effects?<br /><br />
<br />Does anyone have evidence/reasons supporting Blount being in on the hoax?<br /><br />I am already aware he said that he immediately recognized MJ.<br />
<br /><br />The fact that he seems to be a big liar in court doesn't count I suppose crash/.<br /><br />I don't know, I'll have to watch his testimony again.
<br />The house staff being told to leave before the ambulance makes me think there was something they weren’t meant to see on that stretcher. They needed the least amount of people in the house before the stretcher left the house.<br />
<br /><br />EXACTLY! It is coming together now, as I said it would. As soon as you realize that the things in the videos actually happened on 6-25-09, then the pieces start falling into place.<br /><br />
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<br />Hey, maybe that's why they waited for so long - 40 minutes - before the ambulance left Carlwood - because they waited all the staff to leave :shock: :shock:<br />
<br /><br />BINGO!<br /><br />Someone suggested that the staff were sent away, so they would not take pictures. Really? In a life-and-death emergency, you are going to WAIT until the staff leaves, before taking MJ to the hospital, JUST SO NOBODY GETS A PICTURE????? In other words, it's okay if MJ dies before we get him to the hospital, just so long as nobody gets a picture in the process!!!???!!! <br /><br />Also, they could simply ask the staff not to take any pictures, and confiscate their camera/phone if they did. So I think that we can file this (staff sent away before bringing the body down) as another good evidence of the hoax. If MJ really died, this makes no sense.<br /><br />
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<br />So that gets rid of MJ in person on the stretcher..... <br />
<br /><br />Yes, that is my third of five reasons why MJ did not go to the hospital.
<br /><br />So did the Illuminati outthink him? Or did he outthink them, AND FLY OUT OF THE COUNTRY HOURS BEFORE THE KICKOFF TIME? Just in case the answer to that question is not self-evident, Jermaine made it crystal clear in his “airport” slip/clue. But I’ll save the details on that for another post.<br />
<br /><br />Why ask the question if you gave the answer..... mj_bad/<br /><br />I have a question for you TS....after all this time...<br />After all you are starting to give some answers so why not this one.... ;D<br />Is it correct that Dave Dave on LK was not the real Dave Dave....<br />But a guy that was supposed to be in a coffin at that time?<br />You dont have to send a making of vid or pic....<br />Just a simple YES or No would do it after 2 years....<br /> lolol/<br />
<br /><br />So did the Illuminati outthink him? Or did he outthink them, AND FLY OUT OF THE COUNTRY HOURS BEFORE THE KICKOFF TIME? Just in case the answer to that question is not self-evident, Jermaine made it crystal clear in his “airport” slip/clue. But I’ll save the details on that for another post.<br />
<br /><br />Why ask the question if you gave the answer.....
<br /><br />A thought question, rhetorical question.<br /><br />
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<br />I have a question for you TS....after all this time...<br />After all you are starting to give some answers so why not this one.... ;D<br />Is it correct that Dave Dave on LK was not the real Dave Dave....<br />But a guy that was supposed to be in a coffin at that time?<br />You dont have to send a making of vid or pic....<br />Just a simple YES or No would do it after 2 years....
<br /><br />I haven't touched this because I don't want people to accept what I say merely because I say it. I would have to get into a long debate over the evidence, which I do not think is worth the time.<br /><br />I do agree, however, that it does not look like the real Dave Dave on LKL. Nevertheless, it could've been an MJ double. And I don't want to spend the time arguing over whether it was a double or the real MJ.
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