Yes Sim, I remember those pictures and montages you did with 42,24,18. We didn't know exactly why those numbers were important at the time, or at least I didn't. Maybe we're figuring it out. The 42 was for 42 months and the 18 was for 18 sets of 70 ? 42 also has to do with a prism creating a rainbow. Wasn't there also a crystal by the arc that Ron Wyatt found ?
<br />Interesting about 42!<br />
The rainbow is not located at a specific distance, but comes from any water droplets viewed from a certain angle relative to the Sun's rays. Thus, a rainbow is not an object, and cannot be physically approached. Indeed, it is impossible for an observer to manoeuvre to see any rainbow from water droplets at any angle other than the customary one of 42 degrees from the direction opposite the Sun. Wiki
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the place was cleaned up, and the Ark of the Covenant was sitting against the wall at the east end of the cave, and the cave is not perfectly oriented east, west, north, or south, it’s just on the eastern end, basically, of that. Behind this is this crystalline wall that emits the colors of the rainbow.<br />http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/last_interview.html
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Revelation 4:2-3<br />2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Yes MJonMind. 42 is very interesting.<br /><br />Here's something else. There are two sets of 9282 days. <br /><br />9+2+8+2=21 first set<br />9+2+8+2=21 second set<br /><br />21+21=42 :fresse:<br /><br /><br />42 is a special number. <br /><br /> <br /><br />
Speaking of 18 and 42.... :icon_geek: <br /><br />42 weeks <br />From and including: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 CM Sentencing<br />To and including: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 BAD release It is 295 days =7<br /><br /><br />
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<br />What about November 8th ? It's Archangel's Michael holiday according to the orthodox religion. Hmmm ... sounds a bit too early for a comeback, and I don't think it has any numerological significance ... Just thinking out loud I'm sure Michael is enjoying our guessings and calculations :icon_lol:<br />
<br /><br />Could mean something, I've thought of the 9th as being a starting point to ... idk. :smiley-vault-misc-150: I also think 6 and 9 are significant. Here's more calculations with 9th<br /><br />7 weeks From and including: Tuesday, September 18, 2012<br />To, but not including : Friday, November 9, 2012 It is 52 days=7<br />11/9 - not including 12/6 27 days<br />11/9 - not including 12/12 33 days<br />11/9 - not including 12/21 42days :icon_eek: bizarre, I see the last date 911 call at 1221 ? <br /><br />so looked up the memorial date...<br />From and including: Tuesday, July 7, 2009<br />To, but not including : Friday, November 9, 2012<br />It is 1221 days <br />174 weeks = 12<br /><br />November 9 is the 313th day of the year (314th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 52 days remaining until the end of the year.<br /><br />Even if this means nothing...numbers are crazy.<br />
I do appreciate and acknowledge the immense amount of time and study that has gone into producing the Signs, but in my straightforward, down to earth, not even convinced of God, mind, I see the whole, stripped back to fundamentals, 'lesson', if you like, of any end of world, second coming, even plain old simple death scenario, is that one should be prepared at all times, be the best one can be while one can, because one never knows when that 'end', in whatever form it takes, will be.<br /><br />Isn't trying to predict and foretell WHEN it will happen, though an incredible and interesting exercise for the brain, a somewhat futile exercise, when all's said and done? Rather like predicting Bam dates!<br /><br />If we think TS's words are 'slippery', I think God's (if one believes in him) are even more so!<br /><br />I don't want to sound disrespectful, or critical of believers (in God) here, I'm just sort of puzzled by how in a very short time, this most recent Sign 6, provoked Bam, not biblical, discussion. Even on the Army of Love site, where I understand the deeper conversations take place, I see discussions haven't moved off page 1.<br /><br />Obviously, we're all eyes and ears on a possible upcoming bam, but I wonder if we are doing a disservice to The Sign, to immediately relate his work to MJ's return, rather than the more serious matter (that I have been under the impression) he was trying to convey.<br /><br />Did MJ use complicated, and important biblical prophesy, that he happens to have studied rather thoroughly, when planning the timeline of his death hoax?<br /><br />Or is The Sign simply using a rather neat way to convey most important hoax details by comparison to complicated, but unimportant biblical prophesy, that he happens to have studied rather thoroughly?!<br /><br />I've been away a while and have maybe got out of hoax mode! Ignore me if I'm talking garbage!
<br />Just FYI......<br />December 6th (1971) is also Ryan White's birthday........<br /><br />LOVE <br />
<br /><br />Interesting... just remembering MJ's May 10th audio recording - "I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital."<br />
Since we're talking dates (while we sit around, twiddle our thumbs and wait ) what about 12/12/12. After all, it's the last day this century where the day, the month and the year are the same AND it's my birthday! Not that I'm suggesting Michael change his plans just for me or anything! ;D<br /><br />In all seriousness, thank you all for your calculation work. It's truly mindblowing.
<br />Brain fried by the numbers, but LOVIN' this thread :bowdown:<br />
<br /><br /><br />Australian're right, it's amazing the work that everyone has done here with numbers and dates connections. For myself looking at 12-21 but that only MJ knows, and we'll be here ready to celebrate.
For my part, I made a video 1 year and a half ago about that 1260 days. I really do beLIEve Michael has been really inspired very much by the bible to do this hoax. <br /><br />Do you remember the picture that Gotham Chopra tweeted in december 2009 I think? The hand of Michael with the star of David?<br /><br />See in my video, you will remember: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><br />Unfortunately, the video is in french, but with the image you will kind of understand.<br /><br />Starts at 1:18<br /><br />Gotham tweeted: Fated (someday), and then he give the link of the image of the hand.<br /><br />Then, see the numbers at the bottom of the image on the right corner. I thought to myself, why not put the picture upside down, to see the numbers it gives me.<br /><br />Angel Gabriel is a messenger and he is also the saint of all communications, like radio, television, news. He is the one that gives the message. Michael has given all kinds of message of peace through media since he is who he is, but the King of pop, the messenger, is dead. <br />Then relate to the post of ''Back'' in 2009. Exit angel Gabriel, enter angel Michael. Angel Michael is the one that fights and that defeats all kinds of threats, he is the one that will make move the earth.<br /><br />So relate again to this post of ''Back'' and look at my video starting from 2:44 <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><br />Remember that the on November 8, 2010, the full length version of the song ''Breaking News'' was released, and made available on MichaelJackson.com for one week. And November 8th is the feast day of the Orthodox of Archangel Michael. And remember also, that the album title was simply and just simply ''Michael''. And see into my video at 2:44, this is first the image of Angel Gabriel, notice that left hand is on his heart. EXIT ANGEL GABRIEL. Then look at 2:51, you have the picture of Archangel Michael. His right hand is on his heart. And look at the cover of the album ''Michael'' just after! His right hand is on his heart. ENTER ANGEL MICHAEL! And look, the crown is there, the scarf is there and the tiara as well. And Archangel Michael is the chef of the angels, and what you see at each sides of his tiara, the little angels that crowns him.<br /><br />Now see at 4:30: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><br />I put the picture upside down of Chopra, to see if we could have a little signification there.<br /><br />So if we remove the 0 0, it gives us 25/12, and since there is no year or month, I supposed that the 12 could be doubled. <br /><br />Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.<br /><br />And also in the bible in chapter 12, there is a verset about Daniel that strucked me when he talks about the return of Michael;<br /><br />The End Times<br /><br />12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”<br /> <br />5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”<br /> <br />7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”<br /><br /><br /> Time, times and a half time means 3 years and a half, or 1260 days, but if you take the 3 years and a half from June 25th, and add 3 years and 6 months, you are right on time on Christmas. And I never forgot those christmas wreaths in june on his house, and all those things related to Christmas since the beginning.<br /><br />So either it could be 1260 days and fell on december 7th, or it could be counting the 3 years and 6 months and bam on christmas. <br /><br /><br />And about Archangel Michael again, let's not forget the article on November 21th 2008, that said that Michael converted to Islam and changed his name to Mikaeel. 11:17 <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eOOrFgyHXf4"; frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Well, first, the feast day for Archangel Michael is November 8th for the Orthodox church, but for almost all the church, the feast day for Archangel Michael is November 21th. AND, clue for archangel Michael from the part of Michael? Because Mikaeel is the way Archangel Michael is spelled by the musulmans! :moonwalk_:<br /><br />Ok, another interesting thing! The first time Daniel had the VISION of the Archangel Michael was at the Chapter 10, verset 13. So since there is no 13 months, shall we say 13/10.<br /><br />We had something very important on the 13/10/10. The news about the released and the title of the album of Michael called ''VISION''! Yep! Coincidences again? I think not! <br /><br />Well! HOPE WE'LL HAVE A BIG PRESENT FOR CHRISTMAS! Santa Claus, I only ask you one favor this year! Please, make him BAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM!!!!<br /><br />By the way TS, It was a great present for me to have the 6th sign on my birthday, on october 27th! I am always lucky, first, This is it premiered in Hollywood on the day of my birthday and then you give us this beautiful post! Thanks!!! Eager to read the 7 th sign and then BAM! :moonwalk_:
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
<br /><br />But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
<br /><br />But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.<br />
<br /><br />I know what you mean darling, it is a long debate since a long time, but the fact that we all know since we're young is december 25th, so in this story, if we relate to a popular fact, that would be legit!
I agree, that a lot of the hoax dates relate to commonly held beliefs about days, like the Mayan calendar, etc. so Christmas would be no different. MJ has so beautifully blended Biblical concepts with famous mythical/fictional and historical concepts. <br /><br />Thanks for your interesting post Julia142!<br />Just thinking about the image from Gotham Chopra and Daniel 12:7.<br /><br /><br /><br />7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”<br /><br />We have discussed this before along the way, like most things, but these thousands of details get lost like 'needles in the haystack'! :icon_bounce:<br />Who are the 'holy people' Daniel is referring to in his mind (Catholics unheard of then)? The religious leaders of Jesus' day descend from their days of captivity in Babylon, namely the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus complained that they were teaching the 'traditions of men' and not of God, and the books they followed were the Babylonian Talmud along with the Babylonian Kabbalah (Qabbalah). Who are today's keepers of the Talmud and Kabbalah--whose symbol they identify with also on their flag--the seal of Solomon/Star of David. Daniel seems to believe that it is only the "holy people" who wield power worth worrying about --not kings or military powers. Did Gotham believe Michael was "Fated" to be the one to 'break this power'?<br /><br /><br />
<br /><br />Thanks MJonmind, I have learned something new. :icon_e_wink:<br />
<br /><br /><br /><br />Pillar of fire by night and a pillar of cloud by day.<br /><br /><br />Exodus 13:21 American Standard Version<br />And Jehovah went before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light, that they might go by day and by night<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Illustration of the fire at red sea<br /><br /><br />Screenshot from 'The ten commandments'
Those "signs" I don´t get as anything to do with MJ but with some beliefs circulating on the net. As an example, many believe that the mayan calender indicates the EOW, when really, that calender is just based on a loop of TiMe that was repeating itself when came to events of importance back then such as floodings, harvest or who knows what. The same with the numbers. Many people just play with figures to know and predict when the EOW will happen and try to make sense out of it.<br /><br />Can anyone predict when MJ is coming back? is he coming at all?<br /><br />We don´t know who was in Mj´s house the night before he died - which I find very crucial to know what really happened - but many are just trying to guess about his come back based on numbers and "signs". Those numbers are not going to reveal nothing :-\<br /><br />
@MissG - we really don’t know all who was there, especially since they were ushered out in the middle of the night before the paramedics arrived. That still perplexes me also.
Yes Sim, I remember those pictures and montages you did with 42,24,18. We didn't know exactly why those numbers were important at the time, or at least I didn't. Maybe we're figuring it out. The 42 was for 42 months and the 18 was for 18 sets of 70 ? 42 also has to do with a prism creating a rainbow. Wasn't there also a crystal by the arc that Ron Wyatt found ?
<br />Interesting about 42!<br />
The rainbow is not located at a specific distance, but comes from any water droplets viewed from a certain angle relative to the Sun's rays. Thus, a rainbow is not an object, and cannot be physically approached. Indeed, it is impossible for an observer to manoeuvre to see any rainbow from water droplets at any angle other than the customary one of 42 degrees from the direction opposite the Sun. Wiki
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the place was cleaned up, and the Ark of the Covenant was sitting against the wall at the east end of the cave, and the cave is not perfectly oriented east, west, north, or south, it’s just on the eastern end, basically, of that. Behind this is this crystalline wall that emits the colors of the rainbow.<br />http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/last_interview.html
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Revelation 4:2-3<br />2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.
Thanks Sim. I remember these montages but it's good to see them again. Things continue to get clearer but I think I'm still not understanding everything about the rainbow, and you know I'm trying. Is it about all the lightworkers and the ascension ? All the light energy coming to earth ? A miracle using cosmic energy ? The rainbow around the ark ? :icon_e_confused:<br /><br />Love You
This is what The Sign said in Sign 4 about the rainbow. <br /><br />
After the flood, God promised the rainbow as a sign that there would never again be “a flood to destroy all flesh.” (see Genesis 9:8-17; Isaiah 54:9; etc).
Sim, thanks for all those reminders. My brain is almost fried by the staggering amount of info we have discussed at one time or another these 3 1/2 years. :affraid:<br />
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<br />This is what The Sign said in Sign 4 about the rainbow. <br /><br />
After the flood, God promised the rainbow as a sign that there would never again be “a flood to destroy all flesh.” (see Genesis 9:8-17; Isaiah 54:9; etc).
<br />That’s the good news, but the bad news is the next time is going to be with fire though. :errrr:<br />
2 Peter 2-3<br />5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;<br />6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample (example) unto those that after should live ungodly;<br />6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:<br />7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.<br />8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.<br />10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.<br />12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?<br />13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Remember that Angel Gabriel was the one who announced the birth of Jesus on december 25th.
<br /><br />But was Jesus really born on December 25th? Or was that when it was announced? There has always been debate as to when He was born, some argue it was during the warmer months. One of the central themes of the Signs has been that the historians have got a lot of Biblical stuff (I'm tired) wrong so would the birth of Jesus be any different? We the people have been lied to and misguided for so long.<br />
<br /><br />i had thought this was why jw didn't celebrate Christmas , is that correct Aussie or Ford?
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