@Front...Although you said your posting may be 'scarce'...I have a feeling that you, yourself, are still 'watchin'.
I don't post much but a day does not go by without me 'watchin' and your posts are right up there with those that I've been keeping a close eye on for the past little while. As I'm sure you know, based on your time on this thread, most of us have been quite impressed with Back and his posts. Apart from being an incredibly talented writer (his wording is language on ecstasy)...his posts are very indicative of someone with very close 'ties' to MJ, hence the deep fascination most of us have with Back.
I will premise what I'm about to suggest by saying that I do NOT believe anyone has a duty, or an obligation, to prove who they are on here. Every one of us has the right to enjoy the anonymity that this medium allows. However, given the sensititvity and real, deep, raw emotion(s) of the situation, in which we all have found ourselves in for the past 2 years, for anyone to come along and infer that they are Back and who desires to be believed...well, it's just not that simple. Why? Because for most of us who have studied, read, re-read, have folders on our pc's named 'BACK', and have spent many a countless nights trying to 'decode' his messages...Back, much like MJ, has been someone we've followed from afar. To have you suddently appear on the board sounding Back-like, and clearly inferring that you are, in fact, Back....well, it's only natural for us to be a little skeptical. There is, of course, the wondering as to why you decided to join this forum now, not to mention the slight differences in the overall nuance(s) of your posts here under the name Front, as compared to your posts as Back. Yes, a difference of 5 years can do wonders to change a person but writing style doesn't seem to change that much...
So here's my suggestion: If you are Back and, therefore, here with good intentions (I don't for one second believe that the real Back would have bad intentions), and your purpose involves giving us a message that you want us to hear and believe...then you have the power to ensure that you are heard and that you do not fail in the 'role' you are here to fulfill. It's quite simple actually...involving nothing more than 2 minutes (tops) of your time and whatever energy you expend through your fingers in[glow=red:4n1wnr67]hitting some keys on your keyboard...sign on to MJJC as Back. Back hasn't signed on since June 22, 2010...so it's quite safe to say that if Back signed on today or tomorrow, then Front (most definitely) = Back. You do that, and I can promise you that you will have everyone's undivided attention. You don't do that and well...considering the fact that I value 'time' and how precious it is, I will allocate my very minimal 'time' to any messages you decide to share.[/glow:4n1wnr67]
With L.O.V.E. always.
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You guys why you want to force Front to do something that Back doesn't want to do? I mean to log in MJJC. I don't think Back would do this. Or maybe, for us, who knows.....but I don't think so.
Wow, these are all really good posts and profoundly creative too. Thanks so much! <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug --> What a crazy world we live in and what a crazy time this is. My brain has never felt so alive as this time of my life! It's true Gina, that I can be more me here than in my other real life--the various "worlds" I live in have not a clue what I think about, since I have various "fronts" of interest that I share with each. Know what I mean? <!-- ssuspicious// -->suspicious//<!-- ssuspicious// --> <!-- s:oops: -->:oops:<!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s --><!-- s -->
I cannot say like you Grace, that I could care less, because I truly do. We have to use lots of the word, "if", because we respond to posts on the basis of who we percieve them to be, or at least as close as possible. This is all so much chess, on multi-levels.
FrenchBraid, I was raised/super-saturated on Bible (I spent 10+ years on the internet researching my way out of the orthodox box while still maintaining my love/awe for God and the book but in a more expanded approach) and I say especially in that category, MJ and BACK and TS do align and match--no easy task. A casual Bible reader such as a troll-type would have a difficult time coming up with this Biblical stuff and being consistent with all the implied nuances of meaning/interpretation in cryptic layers.
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You guys why you want to force Front to do something that Back doesn't want to do? I mean to log in MJJC. I don't think Back would do this. Or maybe, for us, who knows.....but I don't think so.
I agree. It's like people approaching Jermaine making demands which he cannot respond to in the way they wish.
FrenchBraid, I was raised/super-saturated on Bible (I spent 10+ years on the internet researching my way out of the orthodox box while still maintaining my love/awe for God and the book but in a more expanded approach) and I say [glow=red:32sdaq4a]especially in that category, MJ and BACK and TS do align and match--no easy task. A casual Bible reader such as a troll-type would have a difficult time coming up with this Biblical stuff and being consistent with all the implied nuances of meaning/interpretation in cryptic layers[/glow:32sdaq4a].
Yes!
This is a very interesting discussion, about the Bible, Michael, TS and Back.
I remember back in the begining of the hoax I was reading somewhere that Michael said he had certain dreams and he felt like he sort of spoke with God or something like this.
In all his art we can feel he has a strong religios background and it is perfectly explainable because of Ms. Katherine who guided him into religion. Doesn't matter they were JW, all christians religions are basicly the same. As one who used to read the Bible a lot, I can say it shows in his interviews, in his songs, in his poems and some quotes that he really is into religion very much. I can recognize in Michael that religious feeling - so maybe this is the red thread that links together Michael, TS and Back. I hope I am not wrong and this is not another one of his masks.
But we also should keep in mind that some fans are also very religious - so could one of them be playing TS and Back?
But probably not....probably not because TS and Back seem to have a certain approach of the Bible, picking up certain parts in sort of a thinking system they have...ahhh, I know what I want to say but it's difficult in english...OK, I hope you understand though.
Just to be clear...I was in no way 'demanding' anything from Front. It was a suggestion based on HIS own comments of people making ASSumptions about him being a troll. Given that a debate did occur after his last several posts and his desire (or so it seemed) for us to believe him (his statement "That I am not. Trust me" comes to mind)...I thought that his signing on to MJJC as Back would end the debate and get us to focus on more important things. I realize he left the board for a reason (and a very good one at that) and that's why I didn't suggest anything about him posting...just signing on.
At the end of the day, whether or not Front is Back, is just a distraction (what really matters is the content of his posts)...and time will tell whether or not Front is trustworthy. I just figured that if he wanted to speed things up and help us to stop ASSuming anything, as HE suggested...well, he can do that very easily. Having suggested it, though, I won't be holding my breath...as much as I'd love to sign on to MJJC and see that 'last visit' date changed, I have a feeling it won't. Everyone is entitled to do what they want and believe what they want...for me, personally, if Front does not sign on as Back (who he clearly infers he is), then his credibility (for me) suffers and his 'messages' don't ring as loudly. Doesn't mean I won't keep watchin'....just that I'll focus on more important things in this thread, like Back's real posts. Just my opinion.
I should have said "demand", I know you weren't demanding in those contexts BeTheChange. Suggestion or request would have been better words for me to use there.
Even if Front is Back, he won't log into MJJC and make a post IMO. Personally I do not believe Front is Back. But still I'm checking out if something interesting is going on on this thread but it seems like there's nothing new and interesting here.
Bec, relax...and PLEASE examine, ponder, reflect and contemplate a little more before you leap to conclusions and make such egregious "ASS"umptions that yours truly is a troll. That I'm not. I promise you that!
SOME times the eyes play tricks on us…..and OFTEN times a momentary SHIFT in perspective is not only needed but imperative in order to make all the pieces of this gargantuan puzzle fit together. Formulas…equations…numbers…there is more than one way to execute it but you get the SAME answer.
The world {r}evolves as time progresses---a "momental modifier". So too do individuals and PLANS. To expect everything to be EXACTLY as it was 5 years ago with absolutely NO deviations is a precursor for failure to comprehend and decipher. There is logic and reason in everything I have posted…according to PLAN. You'll see. Wait until the "PIE" is done before you predict the "taste" with haste. Please be patient as the NEW 7DT continues…………….
To everyone else who is being positive and THINKING FOR YOURSELF………plz continue and plz----> Keep Watchin'.
as a non native english speaker I have to say I need the dictionary at hand to read Back's posts and Front's posts most of the time. Front could you please have mercy on those like me <!-- sbow/ -->bow/<!-- sbow/ --> ? Some words I can't even find them in the dictionary <!-- scrash/ -->crash/<!-- scrash/ -->
as a non native english speaker I have to say I need the dictionary at hand to read Back's posts and Front's posts most of the time. Front could you please have mercy on those like me <!-- sbow/ -->bow/<!-- sbow/ --> ? Some words I can't even find them in the dictionary <!-- scrash/ -->crash/<!-- scrash/ -->
So I'm not the only one? <!-- s --><!-- s --> That's one of the things that Back and Front (damn those usernames, typing them, especially both of them toghether, feels so damn silly, lol) have in common. No problem finding them in my online dictionary though, great way to expand my vocabulary (only problem is that I forget them again after about 2 seconds, maybe if he used the same ones more than once, I'd start to remember them - and how about throwing in some slang once in a while, I love clicking through the urban dictionary).
But I have a feeling that even some native speakers have to google some of the words. Like "atlas" - just kidding. <!-- slolol/ -->lolol/<!-- slolol/ -->
P.S. <!-- m -->http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gargantuan<!-- m --> - "Usage: Some people think that gargantuan should only be used to describe things connected with food: a gargantuan meal; his gargantuan appetite" - since it's all about pie, I think that makes sense.
Even if Front is Back, he won't log into MJJC and make a post IMO. Personally I do not believe Front is Back. But still I'm checking out if something interesting is going on on this thread but it seems like there's nothing new and interesting here.
ok i haven't followed this back person so forgive me as i try to piece this together. he left a fan forum he was on for i guess a while because someone said something offensive about katherine. and you are asking him to prove who he is by going back there and logging on? (by the way pure love i know you did not ask him to do this , i just used your comment because you responded to the original poster).
Wow! I've been away from the site for a while. Busy getting my life sorted out, bad news partner gone, amazing what you put up with for almost 20 yrs. All done!
So this thread has always held my attention.
And I see it still does!
We have been here for almost 2 yrs now, we've seen almost everything that has been dished so no need to be too quick to abandon a thread or participant on this attention holding thread.
Anyone remember the photo that was shopped that looked like MJ front on with shorter hair, that was actually a lady facing back? We all pretty much swooned over that but it was Back to Front. Whether it has anything at all to do with anything idk, just a thought.
One thing we've learned is patience and faith.
I'm going to keep watching, keep my mind open and my heart true.
I think that we must keep in mind that we are in the context of a Hoax ... that this is Michael who decides what is necessary to do or not and obviously if Front is genuine (which I personally believe) than our desires and wishes will not necessarily be satisfied (like when people ask where is TS and that he doesn't show up despite desperate inquiries...not even a little re-direct <!-- s:( -->:(<!-- s:( --> ). There are rules to follow in this PLANNED Hoax so we can't just ask and receive when we want....especially if it can harm or cause any kind of problem in the "program".... now I understand that time will tell ALL... so all that's needed is an open mind and patience (which is proven to be a virtue)...and some positivity as well. I know it's difficult... [fade:3qhbe09i]buteverybodykeepswatchin'anyway[/fade:3qhbe09i]........ <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
Yes, MJ is the puppet-master, or 'the man who runs the world from behind the curtain'. 'MJ has mastered the art of knowing how to leave them craving more.' But he is much much more than just the biggest best entertainer the world has ever known.
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Michael I feel a little ashamed that I fall in your traps all the time <!-- scrash/ -->crash/<!-- scrash/ --> .
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Michael I feel a little ashamed that I fall in your traps all the time <!-- scrash/ -->crash/<!-- scrash/ --> .
I hope you are only amused <!-- sbounce/ -->bounce/<!-- sbounce/ -->
Aww Gina don't feel ashamed. Remember this is serious stuff and we don't know why or how.
Think about what he said in TII, we have to trust him.
Big hugs <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->
As someone who's taken a short break from the forum (though I did still check in regularly) and coming at this completely fresh, I thought to myself "Who the heck is this Front person they're all talking about now?!". Another mysterious poster steps up to the plate. And with a username like Front too. How clever to choose a name that, despite being the opposite of our famous and much-missed Back, immediately causes members to suspect he'd returned just by the obvious connection "Back to Front". Something MJ would do? Quite possibly, but maybe deceptively clever. In hindsight it wouldn't be too difficult for someone to figure out that in posting in a similar style and with such a name, they could have the undivided attention of the majority of the forum members.
I've spoken before about MJ's acting ability and his knack for the subtle. It's been discussed whether it's possible to imitate someone else's writing style or actually alter your personality online. I believe it's very possible. Someone who has English as their native language and who has writing as their vocation (speaking from experience here) could do so quite easily. (Not to say I've pretended to be someone else online, I haven't). It's about adopting a character and STAYINGINCHARACTER. We all know unfortunately how easy it is for people to masquerade as whoever they choose to be online, there are many predators who take advantage of this and many trolls on many sites who do the same. So even though the posts I've read which were written by Front don't immediately strike me as overly similar to Back or TS - what difference does that make if the poster is deliberately adopting a persona - a character - for each username? They may all be one and the same, all different, all MJ or none of them MJ. The man's acting talents are far too under-rated, even here I feel. Credit where it's due. So I will stay neutral as to whether I think this latest mysterious person is here to create interest in a time of relative quiet, to troll or genuinely engage with us. Because with Michael you wouldn't know either way. The man's an acting genius as well as a musical one. Just ask Miko.
Oh God, I'm missing so much lately .I am busy at work and is very hard to read everything here, is so much information.I'm keeping the faith and praying for Michael's return <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->
I just read in another thread that he will come back in July, now in this one it´s August....I mean...pleeeaseeeee...can the so called informers agree on a date? Lol
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I cannot say like you Grace, that I could care less, because I truly do. We have to use lots of the word, "if", because we respond to posts on the basis of who we percieve them to be, or at least as close as possible. This is all so much chess, on multi-levels.
Here's a good potential disguise for Michael, similar to SOTT! <!-- s
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FrenchBraid, I was raised/super-saturated on Bible (I spent 10+ years on the internet researching my way out of the orthodox box while still maintaining my love/awe for God and the book but in a more expanded approach) and I say especially in that category, MJ and BACK and TS do align and match--no easy task. A casual Bible reader such as a troll-type would have a difficult time coming up with this Biblical stuff and being consistent with all the implied nuances of meaning/interpretation in cryptic layers. I agree. It's like people approaching Jermaine making demands which he cannot respond to in the way they wish.
@Front: why not?
Yes!
This is a very interesting discussion, about the Bible, Michael, TS and Back.
I remember back in the begining of the hoax I was reading somewhere that Michael said he had certain dreams and he felt like he sort of spoke with God or something like this.
In all his art we can feel he has a strong religios background and it is perfectly explainable because of Ms. Katherine who guided him into religion. Doesn't matter they were JW, all christians religions are basicly the same. As one who used to read the Bible a lot, I can say it shows in his interviews, in his songs, in his poems and some quotes that he really is into religion very much. I can recognize in Michael that religious feeling - so maybe this is the red thread that links together Michael, TS and Back. I hope I am not wrong and this is not another one of his masks.
But we also should keep in mind that some fans are also very religious - so could one of them be playing TS and Back?
But probably not....probably not because TS and Back seem to have a certain approach of the Bible, picking up certain parts in sort of a thinking system they have...ahhh, I know what I want to say but it's difficult in english...OK, I hope you understand though.
He never logged in after that post - why would he do it now?
At the end of the day, whether or not Front is Back, is just a distraction (what really matters is the content of his posts)...and time will tell whether or not Front is trustworthy. I just figured that if he wanted to speed things up and help us to stop ASSuming anything, as HE suggested...well, he can do that very easily. Having suggested it, though, I won't be holding my breath...as much as I'd love to sign on to MJJC and see that 'last visit' date changed, I have a feeling it won't. Everyone is entitled to do what they want and believe what they want...for me, personally, if Front does not sign on as Back (who he clearly infers he is), then his credibility (for me) suffers and his 'messages' don't ring as loudly. Doesn't mean I won't keep watchin'....just that I'll focus on more important things in this thread, like Back's real posts. Just my opinion.
With L.O.V.E. always.
as a non native english speaker I have to say I need the dictionary at hand to read Back's posts and Front's posts most of the time. Front could you please have mercy on those like me <!-- sbow/ -->bow/<!-- sbow/ --> ? Some words I can't even find them in the dictionary <!-- scrash/ -->crash/<!-- scrash/ -->
So I'm not the only one? <!-- s
But I have a feeling that even some native speakers have to google some of the words. Like "atlas" - just kidding. <!-- slolol/ -->lolol/<!-- slolol/ -->
P.S. <!-- m -->http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gargantuan<!-- m --> - "Usage: Some people think that gargantuan should only be used to describe things connected with food: a gargantuan meal; his gargantuan appetite" - since it's all about pie, I think that makes sense.
Btw, "atlas" is a common word, a book with maps as you all know. I doubt "da-dog" is Front.
I lost track of the thread anyway.
ok i haven't followed this back person so forgive me as i try to piece this together. he left a fan forum he was on for i guess a while because someone said something offensive about katherine. and you are asking him to prove who he is by going back there and logging on? (by the way pure love i know you did not ask him to do this , i just used your comment because you responded to the original poster).
So this thread has always held my attention.
And I see it still does!
We have been here for almost 2 yrs now, we've seen almost everything that has been dished so no need to be too quick to abandon a thread or participant on this attention holding thread.
Anyone remember the photo that was shopped that looked like MJ front on with shorter hair, that was actually a lady facing back? We all pretty much swooned over that but it was Back to Front. Whether it has anything at all to do with anything idk, just a thought.
One thing we've learned is patience and faith.
I'm going to keep watching, keep my mind open and my heart true.
We Love you Michael!! Be safe!
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I bet he didn't logged in <!-- scrash/ -->crash/<!-- scrash/ -->
I hope you are only amused <!-- sbounce/ -->bounce/<!-- sbounce/ -->
Aww Gina don't feel ashamed. Remember this is serious stuff and we don't know why or how.
Think about what he said in TII, we have to trust him.
Big hugs <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->
[fade:2rmjf3qz]A pie that is not cooked to perfection will only cause indigestion.
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Good point Sarahli
keep watchin' ....don't change the channel.....
I've spoken before about MJ's acting ability and his knack for the subtle. It's been discussed whether it's possible to imitate someone else's writing style or actually alter your personality online. I believe it's very possible. Someone who has English as their native language and who has writing as their vocation (speaking from experience here) could do so quite easily. (Not to say I've pretended to be someone else online, I haven't). It's about adopting a character and STAYING IN CHARACTER. We all know unfortunately how easy it is for people to masquerade as whoever they choose to be online, there are many predators who take advantage of this and many trolls on many sites who do the same. So even though the posts I've read which were written by Front don't immediately strike me as overly similar to Back or TS - what difference does that make if the poster is deliberately adopting a persona - a character - for each username? They may all be one and the same, all different, all MJ or none of them MJ. The man's acting talents are far too under-rated, even here I feel. Credit where it's due. So I will stay neutral as to whether I think this latest mysterious person is here to create interest in a time of relative quiet, to troll or genuinely engage with us. Because with Michael you wouldn't know either way. The man's an acting genius as well as a musical one. Just ask Miko.
was here...
I guess we just have to wait for the 11 of August and hope everything will make more sense.