<br />Oh and I'm not sure exactly how long it's been since I've posted/actually read through the threads but I do wonder how many people actually notice when a long time member goes MIA? Do people really care like they say they do or is it all smoke N mirrors? :icon_rr:<br />
<br /><br />@IM...I check in to hoaxbook daily and have seen you popping your beautiful self in and outta there, so I know you're never too far away :icon_razz: I was actually thinking about you just the other day, while going through some older threads here...and my thought was 'wow'! You had some really amazing posts, especially during TS' levels....you contributed so much valuable info and connected many 'dots', even way back then! I really enjoyed them the first time around and re-reading them now (just yesterday was re-reading the post about the two factions)...and based on what we know now, you should be picking a prize from the top shelf :icon_lol:<br /><br />Sending much love and :smiley_abuv: your way<br /><br />With L.O.V.E. always.
<br />Oh and I'm not sure exactly how long it's been since I've posted/actually read through the threads but I do wonder how many people actually notice when a long time member goes MIA? Do people really care like they say they do or is it all smoke N mirrors? :icon_rr:<br />
<br /><br />I've noticed quite a few missing. All4Loveandbelieve, Purelove, Applehead62509, dancingthedream went missing a while ago, theres a bunch unfortunately
<br />Oh and I'm not sure exactly how long it's been since I've posted/actually read through the threads but I do wonder how many people actually notice when a long time member goes MIA? Do people really care like they say they do or is it all smoke N mirrors? :icon_rr:<br />
<br /><br />I've noticed quite a few missing. All4Loveandbelieve, Purelove, Applehead62509, dancingthedream went missing a while ago, theres a bunch unfortunately <br />
<br />Thanks for posting that email exchange which clears up, for me, that TM is being quite logical in his support for the book and a very clever strategy.<br />
<br /><br />I think alike, if Sullivan is telling the world through his book (sorry I haven't read it yet) that Michael was not a child molester that's what counts above if he didn't go with women, his nose was fallen or his skin was bleached, furthermore TM was fighting hard to make Michael an innocent man from child molestation allegations so for TM the release of this book is a triumph and the rest: women, nose or skin is just gossip.<br /><br />ps. good job Mary thanks for sharing.
Since we were talking about the Pepsi burn and the auction for the medical records on this thread: <br /><br />
FROM THE ESTATE OF MICHAEL JACKSON:<br /><br />We are pleased to confirm that Michael Jackson's medical records have been taken down from the website and are NO LONGER being auctioned.<br /><br />The auction house promptly responded to the request from the Estate's lawyers, and the removal of the documents from the auction has been confirmed.<br /><br /><br />MJOnline <br /><br />The Official Online Team of the Michael Jackson Estate™
<br />There are some awesome Michael album threads in the archives which breaks down the whole mural and some interpretations<br /><br />I particularly liked the propofol bottle (that'll make you go straight to the archives lol)<br />
<br /><br />I soon as I saw this post I went straight for the archives, but I was unable to find it. Any hints? I'm fairly new here and I'm still not 100% used to navigating the forum. Thanks!
<br />Since we were talking about the Pepsi burn and the auction for the medical records on this thread: <br /><br />
FROM THE ESTATE OF MICHAEL JACKSON:<br /><br />We are pleased to confirm that Michael Jackson's medical records have been taken down from the website and are NO LONGER being auctioned.<br /><br />The auction house promptly responded to the request from the Estate's lawyers, and the removal of the documents from the auction has been confirmed.<br /><br /><br />MJOnline <br /><br />The Official Online Team of the Michael Jackson Estate™
But it was up for auction long enough to be seen by everyone! Cool move MJ!<br /><br />Leilani81 and Mary, thanks for the interesting reads on the Sullivan book! It's important to understand something from all different angles.<br /><br />Roger Friedman writes his review of Sullivan’s book, and says he has his/Roger’s name sited 87 times, not always favorably. Sullivan apparently shows Tom Mesereau in a positive light, so that might also help TM be positive about it. It’s an interesting read. He ends with:<br />
What Sullivan has done is chop up a lot of pieces he’s found in research, mash them together and put them in a blender on high speed. The result is something that tastes and smells bad.
<br />http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5646:friedman-review-of-sullivan-book&catid=85:latest-news&Itemid=82<br /><br />Just thinking now that maybe this book is a great way of getting all kinds of people checking out facts, seeing as it seems there’s so many factual inaccuracies. Then it might be a good thing. Controversy gets people's attention, and "MJ lives for controversy!"<br /><br />ImConvinced, you've been here since the beginning, and I know you put a lot of hard work into investigating, one of the key sleuthers. I've noted you've been travelling and just popping in here and there, and that's cool. I've noted your presence on Hoaxbook and Army of Love forum. As far as love goes, we each try to do what we can, according to our personality, time and ability. Love and blessings to you!
Just for throwing this in:<br /><br />10/24/2008 2:55 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF<br />[size=14pt]Unmasked Jacko is Backo[/size]<br />Michael Jackson has come out of hiding ... he was all over L.A. yesterday, spending money, working on his skin and buying antiques -- who said there's a recession?<br /><br /><br />Jacko - click to launch<br /><br />Jackson, who is famously financially-strapped, went to the offices of his long-time dermatologist in Bev Hills, then hit up a cosmetics boutique for a package of Epicuren Discovery, then headed to Melrose Ave. for a little antique shopping.<br /><br />Jackson bought a a silver model airplane. His bodyguard did the heavy lifting, dragging it to his SUV. Jackson then drove down Sunset Blvd, with more than 40 paparazzi cars following behind. <br /><br />http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/24/unmasked-jacko-is-backo/<br />http://www.tmz.com/photos/2008/10/24/1422-jacko-is-backo/images/2008/10/24/29008-em-jay0027-full-jpg/<br /><br />
<br />I really like this.<br /><br /><br />"a package of Epicuren Discovery"<br />
For Epicurus, the purpose of philosophy was to attain the happy, tranquil life, characterized by ataraxia—peace and freedom from fear—and aponia—the absence of pain—and by living a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He taught that pleasure and pain are the measures of what is good and evil; death is the end of both body and soul and should therefore not be feared; the gods do not reward or punish humans; the universe is infinite and eternal; and events in the world are ultimately based on the motions and interactions of atoms moving in empty space.
<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus<br /><br />"bought a a silver model airplane"<br />"His bodyguard did the heavy lifting, dragging it to his SUV." - big issue with an airplane and no photo of it.<br /><br />"Jacko is Backo"<br />;-)
<br />Just for throwing this in:<br /><br />10/24/2008 2:55 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF<br />[size=14pt]Unmasked Jacko is Backo[/size]<br />Michael Jackson has come out of hiding ... he was all over L.A. yesterday, spending money, working on his skin and buying antiques -- who said there's a recession?<br /><br /><br />Jacko - click to launch<br /><br />Jackson, who is famously financially-strapped, went to the offices of his long-time dermatologist in Bev Hills, then hit up a cosmetics boutique for a package of Epicuren Discovery, then headed to Melrose Ave. for a little antique shopping.<br /><br />Jackson bought a a silver model airplane. His bodyguard did the heavy lifting, dragging it to his SUV. Jackson then drove down Sunset Blvd, with more than 40 paparazzi cars following behind. <br /><br />http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/24/unmasked-jacko-is-backo/<br />http://www.tmz.com/photos/2008/10/24/1422-jacko-is-backo/images/2008/10/24/29008-em-jay0027-full-jpg/<br /><br />
<br />I really like this.<br /><br /><br />"a package of Epicuren Discovery"<br />
For Epicurus, the purpose of philosophy was to attain the happy, tranquil life, characterized by ataraxia—peace and freedom from fear—and aponia—the absence of pain—and by living a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He taught that pleasure and pain are the measures of what is good and evil; death is the end of both body and soul and should therefore not be feared; the gods do not reward or punish humans; the universe is infinite and eternal; and events in the world are ultimately based on the motions and interactions of atoms moving in empty space.
<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus<br /><br />"bought a a silver model airplane"<br />"His bodyguard did the heavy lifting, dragging it to his SUV." - big issue with an airplane and no photo of it.<br /><br />"Jacko is Backo"<br />;-)<br />
Yes and no, if one reflects what this article means in current context and our recent discussions e.g. about "leaving by an airplane".<br />The article date is indicating in addition that a key player at TMZ is allowing this information to stay accessible when other news sites already have either archived or deleted their older publications. In comparison, TMZ thus is the only online source which remains transparent as to MJ in the course of time. Finally, there was no real deal in reporting a shopping tour "unmasked" - it was a pointed confirmation of MJ really being Back. In my understanding.
<br />Yes and no, if one reflects what this article means in current context and our recent discussions e.g. about "leaving by an airplane".<br />The article date is indicating in addition that a key player at TMZ is allowing this information to stay accessible when other news sites already have either archived or deleted their older publications. In comparison, TMZ thus is the only online source which remains transparent as to MJ in the course of time. Finally, there was no real deal in reporting a shopping tour "unmasked" - it was a pointed confirmation of MJ really being Back. In my understanding.<br />
<br /><br />I thought TMZ had released this news again but I can't find it, where did you get it from? from TMZ's old archives?
<br />But it was up for auction long enough to be seen by everyone! Cool move MJ!<br /><br />
<br /><br /><br />Agreed. <br /><br /> :screaming-7365:Also agree the controversy re Sullivan's book, especially stoked by TMez is significant. The book does do all the tabloid trash stuff, but it also discusses the shady business dealings of people surrounding MJ--of which the greater public beyond the fann base probably arent aware. So I think it serves a purpose, even tho I have snarled at times reading it.
Thank you so much, Mary, for the post...<br /><br />I have to say that I strongly disagree with Mr. Mesereau. He says that character is more important than physical aspects. Which is partly true. In case of Michael, the saddest thing is, that a large part of non-fans don't even know exactly what allegations Michael had. They'd say 'he had some rape case I heard'! Such people don't provide an opportunity for us to explain what went wrong in the whole scenario and why Michael is innocent. They don't let us give a 'story V. Truth' comparison. Because the simply don't know anything. It's incomprehensible to them and on top of that, they don't wanna listen.<br /><br />So the next thing that comes up is, the comprehensible stuff...people easily understand when someone says, Michael bleached his skin. They'll understand it right away. That news is more juicy to them and it's a hot topic to gossip upon. And then again, they don't want to listen what the truth is.<br /><br />I believe Michael's vindication has to be in two steps.<br /><br />1) clearing stains on physical aspects (appearance, sexuality)<br /><br />2) clearing stains on character.<br /><br />What we are in need right now is the widespread attempts to clear the stains on physical aspects. People need to know Michael is NOT weird. they need to know all the situations he had to go through in his life and that it's never easy to be Michael Jackson. Once people know that he is not a freak, they will be ready to listen to the other serious and more complicated issues, the allegations.<br /><br />The book is a TOTAL ridicule, what's the use if one part of it says, Michael is weird and the other part, he is innocent...which one will people buy? of-course, the weird. I have definitely not read the book nor will I, but one thing I know is, if the book is really worth appreciating, no fan will hesitate to appreciate and promote. Michael Jackson fans only want to vindicate him and they would leave no stone unturned to do that. If this book has negative criticism it means something is really not right about it.<br /><br />People need to know that Michael is a human just like anyone, that's the basic point.
Hi Everyone - I am having a tough thyme keeping up these days due to life its self. So, just a quick thought and forgive me if I am off base, you can take a book and everyone that reads it reads it different. Everyone sees something different in each sentence, each word. We all come to a different conclusion. If I say the word Bam we all have our own idea of what it means. This book is just another example of this. Some people see good, some people see bad. I thought TM was acting a bit off when prompting the book, I laughed everythyme he reached off and grabbed the book to show us the cover. Something just isn't sitting well with me on this. Maybe this is a test to see if people who care about Michael learned anything in these 3 plus years? I also believe at this point there are people who care, and people who care but were unsure of the events in Michael's life care enough to now know it was BS. You can have the most perfect person in the world and people will still not like that person, make up stories and so on. So Michael will probably not have a clean and shiney slate with the whole world, but he will to the people who matter most, the ones who care and believed in him since the beginning and the ones who cared enough to learn more and jumped on board. Just me thinking out loud, lots of love to all of you :bearhug:
<br />There are some awesome Michael album threads in the archives which breaks down the whole mural and some interpretations<br /><br />I particularly liked the propofol bottle (that'll make you go straight to the archives lol)<br />
<br /><br />I soon as I saw this post I went straight for the archives, but I was unable to find it. Any hints? I'm fairly new here and I'm still not 100% used to navigating the forum. Thanks!<br />
<br /><br />Bonnie, I posted this whilst at the gym and my Internet connection wax dropping in and out which is why I was unable to edit my post. The edit note I intended to add was<br /><br />Footnote: Subjective <br /><br />I'm just heading out to run errands, when I get back I'll find it for you.<br /><br /><br /><br />OT alert: Meanwhile had THE best workout with MJ. MJ is going to help me lose the 20 pounds of weight I need to shed. Aren't ya MJ? I uploaded all my MJ to iPhone and have my DR DRE beats headphones, pump up MJ booming in my ears. Each day I go in to run I put on an MJ album and GUN it till the album is over. It's making my workouts so much easier / enjoyable instead of watching the clock!!<br /><br />Love you MJ xxxx
<br />@ sandy thyme wondered where you had been. Hope things are ok. <br />Many of us have had a trialsome 2012. Sending you love <br /><br /> :bearhug:<br />
<br /><br />Thanks Aussie, sending love right back to you also. I am here, just in the back ground these days. You are right 2012 has been a toughy. I guess the only way to get through tough thymes is to go right through them. A friend has a favorite expression "Everyday is a great day, some are just better than others". I try to keep this in mind and just keep riding the waves of life:) Lots of love to you :bearhug:
<br /> A friend has a favorite expression "Everyday is a great day, some are just better than others". I try to keep this in mind and just keep riding the waves of life:) <br />
<br /><br />You know what, you're right. Those are good words to live by.
<br />"Keep Watchin'" @:18 of the official trailer sealed it for me. No further need to doubt and wonder. Back=MJ.<br />
<br /><br />I don't think that proves Back is MJ. If they are related, let's say Back is Marlon or Randy or someone from the Jackson family, they might have talked about "Keep Watching" before and maybe then Michael decided to use it in TII. Maybe Michael was reading Back's posts on that forum and saw the line 'Keep Watching', liked it and used it in TII. We can not know that. <br />
<br /><br /><br />I thought about this possibility too , but then I omitted it because something kept reminding me that Michael is a perfectionist , a pioneer . And honestly it doesn't sound to me like something Michael would do . I just don't know , I read all of back's old posts and compared them to Front's . I Saw and studied the pictures that Front posted in here , his handwriting , the Amesterdam shirt and the drawing he made and I came up with something which sort of 'freed' my mind : I now strongly believe that Front and BACK are one but I don't think that they are Michael but I do have the feelings that whoever that person might be , he must be a knower , someone who is more than a beLIEver , and hell yes , that person must be in close contact with Michael . The fact that Front posted pictures ( which I admired btw :-* ) doesn't mean that he is Michael , but it certainly take this investigation to a whole new level , because it presents too many possibilities : <br /><br />- Front and BACK might be too different people who are both allowed ( by Michael ) to adorn our investigation with ' whispers ' <br />- Front and BACK are one single person who is Michael himself . ( OMG i can't believe I am actually typing this !! :bearhug: to youuuu Front ) <br />- Front is not BACK , but saw BACK's 'Keep Watchin' ' and loved it and thus, he made it his own . <br /><br />am I losing my mind ? Hell yes !! and this is one hell of a voyage ! but as Front always says " The Truth will prevail " .. I guess we just need more patience coz everything will be illuminated with time . <br /><br />Love
<br />"Keep Watchin'" @:18 of the official trailer sealed it for me. No further need to doubt and wonder. Back=MJ.<br />
<br /><br />I don't think that proves Back is MJ. If they are related, let's say Back is Marlon or Randy or someone from the Jackson family, they might have talked about "Keep Watching" before and maybe then Michael decided to use it in TII. Maybe Michael was reading Back's posts on that forum and saw the line 'Keep Watching', liked it and used it in TII. We can not know that. <br />
<br /><br /><br />I thought about this possibility too , but then I omitted it because something kept reminding me that Michael is a perfectionist , a pioneer . And honestly it doesn't sound to me like something Michael would do . I just don't know , I read all of back's old posts and compared them to Front's . I Saw and studied the pictures that Front posted in here , his handwriting , the Amesterdam shirt and the drawing he made and I came up with something which sort of 'freed' my mind : I now strongly believe that Front and BACK are one but I don't think that they are Michael but I do have the feelings that whoever that person might be , he must be a knower , someone who is more than a beLIEver , and hell yes , that person must be in close contact with Michael . The fact that Front posted pictures ( which I admired btw :-* ) doesn't mean that he is Michael , but it certainly take this investigation to a whole new level , because it presents too many possibilities : <br /><br />- Front and BACK might be too different people who are both allowed ( by Michael ) to adorn our investigation with ' whispers ' <br />- Front and BACK are one single person who is Michael himself . ( OMG i can't believe I am actually typing this !! :bearhug: to youuuu Front ) <br />- Front is not BACK , but saw BACK's 'Keep Watchin' ' and loved it and thus, he made it his own . <br /><br />am I losing my mind ? Hell yes !! and this is one hell of a voyage ! but as Front always says " The Truth will prevail " .. I guess we just need more patience coz everything will be illuminated with time . <br /><br />Love<br />
<br /><br />TS recently confirmed us that Front is MJ of course you have to believe in TS' words first.
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<br />I really like this.<br /><br /><br />"a package of Epicuren Discovery"<br /> <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus<br /><br />"bought a a silver model airplane"<br />"His bodyguard did the heavy lifting, dragging it to his SUV." - big issue with an airplane and no photo of it.<br /><br />"Jacko is Backo"<br />;-)