Oh my Goodness!! Firstly Sim...When I said "we" I meant the world in General, ( I actually used the word world in that sentence) not the forum[size=12pt] silly girl! [/size]
You may have meant the world in General in that paragraph, but then in the other paragraphs you addressed to US ("FAMILY") telling us exactly the same things but in different words! So I am sorry to tell you that using the word LOVE in every of your sentences does not make me blind to the patronizing (scolding) and superiority tone of each of your sentence! And I don't recall having called you [size=12pt]SILLY [/size]or other names. I just disagreed with certain things you said and most of all with HOW you said them! but I have NEVER offended you or anyone else.<br /><br />
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...Have any of you ever known me to be unkind in any way intentionally??
from my previous message:
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I know you mean well, but I don't like generalizations.
As I said^^ you are well intended, no doubt!<br />But what transpires from your messages is not just someone who feels is better than others, but also someone who thinks they're entitled to lecture them. Re-read your messages and notice how often you use "I" and "My" as if you give yourself as THEE example compared to us. <br /><br />To be more clear as to what bothers and offends me in your message, see the quotes below! especially the bold/colored parts.<br /><br />
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I was just saying that there is much much more to this then that part of it, that's all I meant!<br />But at this point, don't we have a fairly good idea of How Michael pulled this off, do we Need, to know exactly HOW he did it is what I am saying.
We also know that there is much more to this than just investigating. It's not just YOU who discovered that! :icon_rolleyes:<br />Just because YOU don't think that's important (to know HOW he did it), it doesn't mean it shouldn't be important to US! :icon_rolleyes:<br /><br />
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His message of the importance of LOVE and making a change, going for your dreams, be the best You, YOU can be, Heal the world, for the children, etc, is what [size=12pt]I [/size]took to be the most important part, but that is [size=12pt]just me.[/size]
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because really, until Michael himself tells us everything we "think" we know, we really don't, but we know that he did hoax his death, and we do know that there must be a very good reason of WHY he did this, well there are several reasons, but we DO now that Michael himself said "It's all for LOVE".
While you accuse us of "ignoring Michael's message of LOVE" (it's really "just you" who considers it important?), you are also leaving "the other reasons" on a secondary priority.<br />Well IMO, ALL of our opinions are EQUALLY important and ALL the reasons are EQUALLY important and we should take them ALL into consideration, not just the LOVE! Especially because this world is not just about the LOVE!! unfortunately we need to deal with other "unpleasant" stuff too! We can't just live on a LOVING cloud because that's when the REALITY hits us harder!!<br />And of course "we don't know everything". Nobody has claimed that. And that's why we are here INVESTIGATING to know more abut everything!<br /><br />
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[size=12pt]I [/size]have been following the same paths as everyone else, plus probably some that [size=12pt]others [/size]haven't taken, and
Once again: YOU comparing yourself to "others" as to the number of "paths" taken.<br /><br />
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the conclusion [size=12pt]I[/size] came to was that [size=12pt]I[/size] have NO control over HOW Michael pulled off the hoax, but [size=12pt]I[/size] could see that the investigative skills [size=12pt]I[/size] learned from the Hoaxy part of this, helped [size=12pt]me [/size]to investigate other areas of our HIStory Lessons, things that [size=12pt]I[/size] DO have control over...
I agree with everything you said here ^^ But this whole paragraph would have been PERFECT if you had used [size=12pt]WE[/size]instead of [size=12pt]I[/size]. <br />Do you see now what I mean?<br />Your intentions are good and I've always appreciated you for your optimism and positive thinking and wanting to spread the LOVE, but you shouldn't lecture us. That's all.<br /><br />
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Spreading Michael's message, and making some drastic changes in [size=12pt]my [/size]own life, so that [size=12pt]I [/size]can be a happy and productive, and Loving human being and bring a little LOVE to those [size=12pt]me [/size] encounter...and along the way, [size=12pt]me [/size] came across some very valuable information, that changed how [size=12pt]me [/size]viewed everything [size=12pt]me [/size] had been taught [size=12pt]my [/size]whole life!!<br /> Anyway, [size=12pt]me [/size] came to LOVE Michael, like a Brother, and [size=12pt]me [/size] will be eternally grateful for all that he has taught [size=12pt]me [/size]on this Journey! [size=12pt]my [/size] life is complete just the way it is right now, with only room to get better, and[size=12pt] I don't need Michael to Bam ..[/size].he already gave [size=12pt]me [/size] plenty of BAM moments along the way
Well ok. I can respect that. it's your perspective.<br />And from my perspective: we ALL need Michael back.<br /><br />
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[size=12pt]Guys, those of you [/size]who have taken some time to get [size=12pt]to know me[/size], know that my Heart is like Michael's,
Again , what transpires from your lines is your sense of superiority compared to "those of US", "SILLY" ones who should have taken the time to "know YOU" just because you feel that your heart is like Michael's".<br />I'm sorry, but I have a PROBLEM with this kind of statements!<br /><br />
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I Believe in the power of LOVE, and I have been working on spreading that LOVE since the very beginning and [size=12pt]I think that my posts reflect that.[/size]
I have no doubt that what you mean comes from a place of LOVE. But I must disagree with what your words REFLECT. [see the quotes above and below] <br />
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I truly Believe that we ALL can be doing more to make this world a better place There is ALWAYS More we can do! ME included!,
I agree!<br />
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We can be a [size=12pt]little kinder to each other,[/size] and not automatically think the "worse: when seeing a "written" word, as I think that we have seen from past posts how everyone perceives things differently,
Wait a minute. Have I not been kind to you?<br />Just because I disagree with some of your statements (that I highlighted, or "picked apart' as you say) and the WAY you say them, that makes me "not kind to you"? :icon_rolleyes:<br /><br />
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But we must ask ourselves, when we jump to the conclusion, that when we "think" that someone means something "negative" and is directing it at us, doesn't that show that just maybe, you feel that negativity because you know deep inside that maybe YOU seeing something in yourself that you know you could improve on??
I don't think anyone jumped to any conclusion. Things are pretty clear.<br />I just noticed a subtle sent of patronizing (superiority) attitude in your LOVE messages.<br /><br />
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Not directing that at anyone, just making an observation,
I was also just making an observation.<br />But I was also specifically directing it at you.<br />I don't like to generalize things and throw them just like that in the air to make everybody feel guilty. When something bothers me I say it directly, I don't like to leave place for ambiguity and misunderstandings!<br />Nor do I feel myself responsible with making "general observations" to a whole group of people [that are here for the same purpose as myself] as if I was entitled to lecture them!<br />And because you've addressed to all of us , as a group, I chose to reply to you here! otherwise I would have PMed you!<br /><br />
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because I have taken offense in the past myself only to [size=12pt]realize [/size]that it was because I saw some of my own TRUTH and I didn't want to admit that I was Human and "flawed" just like everyone else!
In other words, I shouldn't feel offended by your patronizing tone. I should just be happy with you calling me SILLY in your special "LOVING" way? <br />Cool! <br /><br />
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Family I am only being honest and speaking from my heart! Not one of us is better then the next, [size=12pt]but we can ALL try to be a little kinder and understanding [/size], before picking every word someone types apart. I don't get involved in anything that doesn't serve the "goodness" in me or in this world now.
I couldn't agree more with THAT ^^<br />To me at least in this context here, being KINDER should mean STOP offending when disagreeing! and MORE UNDERSTANDING should mean more TOLERANCE to our different opinions and perspectives! LESS judgmental!!<br /><br />
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So,I stand by my thoughts, that Michael's message and WHY he did this is Much more important then How he did it...that's all... [size=12pt]Remember Family..Michael himself called us his ARMY of LOVE, not his Army of Hoax Investigators. [/size]
BUT we weren't an Army of LOVE from the beginning!<br />We have become soldiers of LOVE by learning and by INVESTIGATING!<br />And you also need to remember that Michael or TS/Front are posting on this hoax-INVESTIGATION forum.<br />And if INVESTIGATING the hoax wasn't an IMPORTANT part, they wouldn't even be here in the first place!<br />They would probably post ONLY on the sister-forum!<br /><br />
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I have to be honest here because there has always been one thing about our Forum, that has bothered me for quite a while now. I KNOW that Michael is all about LOVE, so why is it that LOVE has never been an important part of this??? That I will never understand...Maybe I have it all wrong, who knows,
Just because not all of us use the word LOVE in every sentence, just because some of us are interested in all the other purposes (WHYs) of the hoax as well as in the HOWs, just because some of us don't post every day in the thread with messages for Michael, it doesn't mean LOVE is not important to us!<br /><br />
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I hope that one day, that you will all be able to look back and say... Boy , that Mjj4ever777 really knew something after all ... if not, it doesn't matter, the day will come when we will ALL remember who we really are, and we can look back and hopefully laugh at how useless all of the negativity and Drama really was...in the Big Picture.
No comment.<br /><br />From this paragraph^^ I can only agree with this: we will ALL laugh at the end! :icon_e_wink:<br /><br />
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I HONESTLY LOVE each of you, and I will continue to do so...everything that I have posted is just my opinion of course, but I won't lie and say that It didn't hurt my heart for just a minute, that anyone could think that I was being unkind or judgmental, that was not my intent, quite the opposite actually! out of all of the LOVING things that I have said here on this forum for the last 3.5 yrs, I don't see how anyone could really see my posts as anything but trying to do my part in this crazy thing we call life!
Maybe it wasn't your intent, but you were judgmental and you were unkind, even if maybe you haven't realize it!<br />And that's why I underlined specifically those things from your posts that offended me and made me think this way.<br />And trust me: I wouldn't have even taken the time and effort to reply to your long messages, if I didn't know that you were well intended! But I thought you should know that even if you didn't want to, your messages were somewhat offending and patronizing here and there, amongst the LOVE that you're trying to convey! and for which I greatly appreciate you!
<br />Sim, MJ does not have such wide hips, unless he put on about 50 lbs. since his public exit. :icon_lol:<br /><br />IMO it`s going to take more that just the people loving and caring for each other, because most people I know or see, are trying to make a difference whatever way they can. We can`t go around pointing fingers at others and saying you`re not doing enough, because what exactly is enough--giving ALL your money to the poor, volunteering ALL your time to good causes? The world would still continue to have these occasional outbreaks of violence. Even with all the emphasis, after 2 World Wars and over 100 million deaths, on the slogan-- "Never again", there has still been wars happening--just not in North America. In this current carnage, the fact is there are people with mental illness, and not all the prescribed drugs are in their or the public's best interest. Like Diggyon said, there is a kind of glorifying violence in the entertainment industry which affects our young people, there are people who encourage the sport of owning and operating automatic rifles. But worst of all there are powerful people who may be training people through mind-control to be assassins that will commit suicide when their mission is done—all for the purpose of creating a state of fear which will make the people cry out for more measures of state control and close monitoring of every citizen. Children are the best target evoking the most emotions, to get the biggest outcry. Will the government’s solutions really be the way these carnages will stop? 'Create the problem--provide the solution.' NWO ring a bell? Anyone who has investigated into the many many modern massacres, will before long find many suspicious details, just as we are suspicious of 911, the Oklahoma bombing, Waco cult deaths, sinking of the Titanic, etc. What MJ has been doing with this hoax is waking us up to the evils out there and their agenda. Our action has to be informed and cunning/wise action, otherwise it is immediately washed away and ineffective. We have to know the enemy strategy and tactics, otherwise we might be spinning our wheels, or even playing into their game the way they expected and wanted, like a chess game. There needs IMO to be fresh innovative strategies to overcome evil, which is something I see coming from MJ who has walked intimately with the elite of this world his whole life but has not bowed his knee to them; that's why I have joined his army of love. The Devil or whoever is at the top, has certainly noticed MJ's moves, and has been trying to have him eliminated for good reason--he is a threat to them. JMT<br />
<br />Sim, MJ does not have such wide hips, unless he put on about 50 lbs. since his public exit. :icon_lol:<br /><br />IMO it`s going to take more that just the people loving and caring for each other, because most people I know or see, are trying to make a difference whatever way they can. We can`t go around pointing fingers at others and saying you`re not doing enough, because what exactly is enough--giving ALL your money to the poor, volunteering ALL your time to good causes? The world would still continue to have these occasional outbreaks of violence. Even with all the emphasis, after 2 World Wars and over 100 million deaths, on the slogan-- "Never again", there has still been wars happening--just not in North America. In this current carnage, the fact is there are people with mental illness, and not all the prescribed drugs are in their or the public's best interest. Like Diggyon said, there is a kind of glorifying violence in the entertainment industry which affects our young people, there are people who encourage the sport of owning and operating automatic rifles. But worst of all there are powerful people who may be training people through mind-control to be assassins that will commit suicide when their mission is done—all for the purpose of creating a state of fear which will make the people cry out for more measures of state control and close monitoring of every citizen. Children are the best target evoking the most emotions, to get the biggest outcry. Will the government’s solutions really be the way these carnages will stop? [size=12pt]'Create the problem--provide the solution.' NWO ring a bell? [/size] Anyone who has investigated into the many many modern massacres, will before long find many suspicious details, just as we are suspicious of 911, the Oklahoma bombing, Waco cult deaths, sinking of the Titanic, etc. What MJ has been doing with this hoax is waking us up to the evils out there and their agenda. Our action has to be informed and cunning/wise action, otherwise it is immediately washed away and ineffective. We have to know the enemy strategy and tactics, otherwise we might be spinning our wheels, or even playing into their game the way they expected and wanted, like a chess game. <br />There needs IMO to be fresh innovative strategies to overcome evil, which is something I see coming from MJ who has walked intimately with the elite of this world his whole life but has not bowed his knee to them; that's why I have joined his army of love. The Devil or whoever is at the top, has certainly noticed MJ's moves, and has been trying to have him eliminated for good reason--he is a threat to them. JMT<br />
Thank you Front for your initiative for the prayer, I hope that you are feeling better. I think we can continue to pray today for them and also every day hoping that God will hear our prayers for this world-change we all want so much.<br /><br />Of course we do not discover that children can be harmed in this planet, this is happening all the time unfortunately and with the blessings of governements. We must always pray and keep contact with God. If many people do it then we can see change happening on a grander scale. Of course we must act and do ourselves but I am of the belief that as long as people do not turn back to God with a sincere heart then there is just so much we as humans can do. God is our best Ally in this battle, only Him can clear the way.<br /><br />I agree with you Diggy & MJonmind about the banalisation of violence in the entertainment industry. Just a few days ago before this shooting happened I was watching TV, there were 2 ads in a row for video games displaying a lot of violence. I turn on the channel thinking “goodness this is crazy” and there I am with a movie scene involving violence with weapons. And then there is this shooting. Not a coincidence for me. I see a lot of comments on the web saying that it’s not the problem -- it seems like for many people violence has become something banal, it’s even entertaining. Therefore they don’t see the problem. Because yeah they would never do that. How do you reverse that? I don’t know. Of course other problems come into play, it’s more complex than that. These shootings are a rather recent phenomenon compared to the time-span guns have been in american homes. It's a degradation of society as a whole.<br /><br />I'm not sure if this is a false flag PTB doing. But they sure will have something planned around this. <br /><br />Good thinking Sweetsunset with the “Front Row” article. :icon_e_wink:<br />
<br />This whole thing frustrates me. I so badly want to know the how's and why's of the hoax. [size=14pt]I couldn't care less about the BAM anymore[/size], we've just been dragged on with nothing else to do, except wait. This doesn't even feel like the calm before the storm, it just feels like someone has put us in a waiting period to wander and go at each other. I'm just like, what the heck let me leave the forum for a bit and although I did, my brain can't shut out this hoax. Yeah this is a great adventure, I choose to be here blah blah blah, but this is totally messing with my head.<br />Front can keep his visions, TS can keep his signs, updates and redirect 'reminders' to himself. Oh and how about MJ just keep his BAM day too, not like we really need it anyway. <br /><br />I mean MJ you're great and all, its all yours and its on your time and I have no problem with that, not that my opinion matters in that regard because I don't control the things you do, everyone's rights are to take care of their own rights so that is not what I'm saying, I think I'm outta faith, outta patience and too faulty.<br /><br />I mean I don't know if this post is a vent, or an outlet to share my feelings. I don't even have the mental capacity to figure that out either. But maybe its cause I'm extremely weak and have learnt nothing at all or maybe its because, I really couldn't care less about this hoax anymore.<br />
<br /><br />If you don't care about Michael's BAM anymore I find it very disrespectful towards him, I DO CARE SO MUCH and I won't relax until the day I see Michael again in the flesh that day I will be able to sleep in peace with myself.
I have to say that it seems like so many lessons intended still have not been learned or put into practice in day to day life...even here on this forum. The backbiting, in-fighting and nit-picking in a place dedicated to a man who dreamed to make the world a better place is just so disappointing to read. The events of these last few days have no doubt been heartbreaking to anyone who actually has a good heart but should have driven home even farther the need to be civil and loving to one another...ALWAYS! It seems that here...as in daily life...when that's most needed it's least found.<br /><br />When I first started to write this I expected it to be a lengthy rant...but I think now that it's best that I keep my thoughts in the grey matter they reside in. I don't want to add to the negativity already evident here. My only goal should be to help people think and maybe choose better in how they relate to those they come in contact with. Just please think and speak with your hearts and not in the heat of the moment. Just think how different the day might be today for 27 families if people had handled Adam differently. <br /><br />One thing specifically though...Souza I have great respect for you and all the dedication it's taken to keep this forum as the best around. I was disheartened though to see your comment about keeping on track/topic. While it's a sign of an awesome leader to keep their members on target at all times I think this instance was different. Michael has championed and dedicated his life to children for decades and the loss of so many under such horrific circumstances is bound to have devastated him. How could we not talk about it here? Even the namesake of this thread has posted for prayers and a show of unity and support. It seemed that briefly all posters were in sync and all standing together...but after your post the thread has dissolved into mini chaos, negativity and superficial nonsense again. I liked it better when everyone was praying...there was truly a sense of unity at least then :icon_e_sad:
<br />It seemed that briefly all posters were in sync and all standing together...but after your post the thread has dissolved into mini chaos, negativity and superficial nonsense again. I liked it better when everyone was praying...there was truly a sense of unity at least then :icon_e_sad: [/b][/color]<br />
<br /><br />Uh, maybe you felt that way but in my opinion, the passive-aggressive insults and thinly veiled attacks were flying faster then Sim could break them down. (That's a little joke, Sim. You should have been a lawyer. You would be a very good one.) Lots of closing posts full of subtle nastiness with "L.O.V.E." as if that makes it all ok. It doesn't make it ok to insult someone in one breath and then say "with love always" in the next. "With love" is characterized by your actions, not by holding it up as a shield to throw rocks from behind. <br /><br />Ps. some of us don't have a god to pray to.
<br />This whole thing frustrates me. I so badly want to know the how's and why's of the hoax. I couldn't care less about the BAM anymore, we've just been dragged on with nothing else to do, except wait. This doesn't even feel like the calm before the storm, it just feels like someone has put us in a waiting period to wander and go at each other. I'm just like, what the heck let me leave the forum for a bit and although I did, my brain can't shut out this hoax. Yeah this is a great adventure, I choose to be here blah blah blah, but this is totally messing with my head.<br />Front can keep his visions, TS can keep his signs, updates and redirect 'reminders' to himself. Oh and how about MJ just keep his BAM day too, not like we really need it anyway. <br /><br />I mean MJ you're great and all, its all yours and its on your time and I have no problem with that, not that my opinion matters in that regard because I don't control the things you do, everyone's rights are to take care of their own rights so that is not what I'm saying, I think I'm outta faith, outta patience and too faulty.<br /><br />I mean I don't know if this post is a vent, or an outlet to share my feelings. I don't even have the mental capacity to figure that out either. But maybe its cause I'm extremely weak and have learnt nothing at all or maybe its because, I really couldn't care less about this hoax anymore.<br />
<br /><br />You are not faulty and you are not weak. You are human and you are not alone. Your opinion matters.<br />
<br /><br />I appreciate that Bec, I just feel really lost and confused lately, I don't even know what to think anymore or how to feel.<br /><br />@Adi thank you too.<br />
<br /><br />Think or feel however you like. Go with it, whatever "it" is. I think a lot of us feel the same as you. I'm pretty disgusted myself because it looks more n more like we are getting played, and not in a good way. The line between a prank and a deception is crossed when the target begins to break down emotionally, in my opinion. Messing with your head? You are not at all alone, not at all. <br /><br />So to ALL who lurk n read here, heed UYI's words as they are reflective of more then just her own sentiments. The line is being crossed here. One might even argue that this has gone too far. Is this where we want to go with this "game"? People devote their lives to this. They pour their hearts and souls into it. If that isn't devotion I don't know what is. The breaking point is near.
<br />[...]Uh, maybe you felt that way but in my opinion, the passive-aggressive insults and thinly veiled attacks were flying faster then Sim could break them down. (That's a little joke, Sim. You should have been a lawyer. You would be a very good one.)
lolll Well your joke couldn't be closer to the truth, @Bec! :icon_lol: Because you see, I am now a student in the 2nd year (Faculty of Law). It's the second license I am following, after I obtained my Bachelor degree in Foreign languages , back in 2003.<br />I feel touched by your remark, especially because it's not the first time you're telling me that. So Thank you!<br /><br />
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Lots of closing posts full of subtle nastiness with "L.O.V.E." as if that makes it all ok. It doesn't make it ok to insult someone in one breath and then say "with love always" in the next.
That's exactly what bothers me too.<br /><br />I mean we can ALL agree to disagree on our different debates, without calling ourselves names and making us feel inferior or guilty for imaginary faults or for thinking differently!<br />That's what gives the flavor of this forum: our diversity!<br />Let's just contradict ourselves endlessly on any subject, but leave behind the tone of superiority, the subtle offenses and the innuendos!<br />Let's say directly what we have to say, and to WHOM we have to say it, without launching generalizations and leaving them hanging in the ambiguity side...because that's where misunderstandings come from!<br /><br /><br />
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<br />Ps. some of us don't have a god to pray to.
if I may suggest something for them, that would be: to pray/listen to their hearts. To me, that equals to praying/listening to God.
Hate loves to divide and conquer and He's smiling right now.<br /><br /><br />I wonder who's going to let him win? said L.O.V.E.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />...meanwhile..... :compute:
<br />[size=medium]<br /><br /><br /><br />DEtAiLS…………….<br />take a seat in the "FRONT" row & focus on "BACKground" 8-) [/size]<br />
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<br /><br />Snoopi this Front's post remind me of the TMZ news that I posted on the TIAI 11-11-11 yesterday:<br /><br />quote from sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 15, 2012, 01:32:10 AM<br />
Talking about Too Short or TS this has been posted on TMZ:<br /><br />Halle Berry & Olivier Martinez<br />FRONT ROW<br />for Disney on ice<br />
<br /><br />I am only quoting the headline which is what is related to what Front posted last year.<br />
<br /><br /><br />So Sweetsunset, what do you think is the connection with Halle Berry and the "Front Row"? (Disney)<br /><br />I was thumbing through "Fronts" old posts and that one jumped out at me for some reason, so I re-posted it. Curious as to your thoughts on it.<br /><br />I know the media has been reporting that she can't legally leave the country with her daughter, and then this recent altercation with two boyfriends. So I know there's something more to it, I just don't know what.<br /><br /><br />*edit ...Also I just noticed " D E A L S" in caps on the picture
<br />It seemed that briefly all posters were in sync and all standing together...but after your post the thread has dissolved into mini chaos, negativity and superficial nonsense again. I liked it better when everyone was praying...there was truly a sense of unity at least then :icon_e_sad: [/b][/color]<br />
<br /><br />Uh, maybe you felt that way but in my opinion, the passive-aggressive insults and thinly veiled attacks were flying faster then Sim could break them down. (That's a little joke, Sim. You should have been a lawyer. You would be a very good one.) Lots of closing posts full of subtle nastiness with "L.O.V.E." as if that makes it all ok. It doesn't make it ok to insult someone in one breath and then say "with love always" in the next. "With love" is characterized by your actions, not by holding it up as a shield to throw rocks from behind. <br /><br />Ps. some of us don't have a god to pray to.<br />
<br /><br />Unfortunately bec you're right about the passive-aggressive thing...but that's been going on all along here to a degree. Most of the time it's mildly entertaining to observe the one-upsmanship attempts and it's a pretty clear indicator into someones intentions. But in a group as diverse as this one you're bound to have that from some who feel the need to be noticed.<br /><br />As far as my remark about praying...I know your beliefs are different from mine. Perhaps I should have said praying and/or personally reflecting on all the innocents lost and wishing those left behind strength and healing from their pain. I'm sure that sentiment is universal here whether we choose to pray to God for it or just wish and hope it out into the universe...right?
<br />This whole thing frustrates me. I so badly want to know the how's and why's of the hoax. I couldn't care less about the BAM anymore, we've just been dragged on with nothing else to do, except wait. This doesn't even feel like the calm before the storm, it just feels like someone has put us in a waiting period to wander and go at each other. I'm just like, what the heck let me leave the forum for a bit and although I did, my brain can't shut out this hoax. Yeah this is a great adventure, I choose to be here blah blah blah, but this is totally messing with my head.<br />Front can keep his visions, TS can keep his signs, updates and redirect 'reminders' to himself. Oh and how about MJ just keep his BAM day too, not like we really need it anyway. <br /><br />I mean MJ you're great and all, its all yours and its on your time and I have no problem with that, not that my opinion matters in that regard because I don't control the things you do, everyone's rights are to take care of their own rights so that is not what I'm saying, I think I'm outta faith, outta patience and too faulty.<br /><br />I mean I don't know if this post is a vent, or an outlet to share my feelings. I don't even have the mental capacity to figure that out either. But maybe its cause I'm extremely weak and have learnt nothing at all or maybe its because, I really couldn't care less about this hoax anymore.<br />
<br /><br />You are not faulty and you are not weak. You are human and you are not alone. Your opinion matters.<br />
<br /><br />I appreciate that Bec, I just feel really lost and confused lately, I don't even know what to think anymore or how to feel.<br /><br />@Adi thank you too.<br />
<br /><br />Think or feel however you like. Go with it, whatever "it" is. I think a lot of us feel the same as you. I'm pretty disgusted myself because [size=14pt]it looks more n more like we are getting played[/size], and not in a good way. The line between a prank and a deception is crossed when the target begins to break down emotionally, in my opinion. Messing with your head? You are not at all alone, not at all. <br /><br />So to ALL who lurk n read here, heed UYI's words as they are reflective of more then just her own sentiments. The line is being crossed here. One might even argue that this has gone too far. Is this where we want to go with this "game"? People devote their lives to this. They pour their hearts and souls into it. If that isn't devotion I don't know what is. The breaking point is near.<br />
<br /><br />Bec I am very concerned about what you are lately saying because I have you as a very clever person and you are making me wonder sometimes too, which is the fact that makes you think we are being played? I remember you changed your mind after TS dropped the theory that a DWD patient might have been used on that stretcher heading to UCLA the day in question and then Front posted that popcorn gif which we all understood he was just having a good time reading our anxious posts while expecting TS_comments' reply about what/who was on that stretcher. I really feel that Michael is behind Front but not behind TS or TS_comments and he is not gonna give us aside.
<br />This whole thing frustrates me. I so badly want to know the how's and why's of the hoax. I couldn't care less about the BAM anymore, we've just been dragged on with nothing else to do, except wait. This doesn't even feel like the calm before the storm, it just feels like someone has put us in a waiting period to wander and go at each other. I'm just like, what the heck let me leave the forum for a bit and although I did, my brain can't shut out this hoax. Yeah this is a great adventure, I choose to be here blah blah blah, but this is totally messing with my head.<br />Front can keep his visions, TS can keep his signs, updates and redirect 'reminders' to himself. Oh and how about MJ just keep his BAM day too, not like we really need it anyway. <br /><br />I mean MJ you're great and all, its all yours and its on your time and I have no problem with that, not that my opinion matters in that regard because I don't control the things you do, everyone's rights are to take care of their own rights so that is not what I'm saying, I think I'm outta faith, outta patience and too faulty.<br /><br />I mean I don't know if this post is a vent, or an outlet to share my feelings. I don't even have the mental capacity to figure that out either. But maybe its cause I'm extremely weak and have learnt nothing at all or maybe its because, I really couldn't care less about this hoax anymore.<br />
<br /><br />You are not faulty and you are not weak. You are human and you are not alone. Your opinion matters.<br />
<br /><br />I appreciate that Bec, I just feel really lost and confused lately, I don't even know what to think anymore or how to feel.<br /><br />@Adi thank you too.<br />
<br /><br />Think or feel however you like. Go with it, whatever "it" is. I think a lot of us feel the same as you. I'm pretty disgusted myself because it looks more n more like we are getting played, and not in a good way. The line between a prank and a deception is crossed when the target begins to break down emotionally, in my opinion. Messing with your head? You are not at all alone, not at all. <br /><br />So to ALL who lurk n read here, heed UYI's words as they are reflective of more then just her own sentiments. The line is being crossed here. One might even argue that this has gone too far. Is this where we want to go with this "game"? People devote their lives to this. They pour their hearts and souls into it. If that isn't devotion I don't know what is. The breaking point is near.<br />
<br /><br />Dear UYI, Bec and everybody else. Your posts triggered me to finally make a post myself once again. I was less involved these past few months, mainly because of the same reasons stated by you two, except for bamsday UYI, which I do like to see to happen one day in the near future. That's what still keeping me 'close' to the forum/hoax. I admire the fact that, despite the feelings you two mentioned, you were still be able to put your all in the forum. I couldn't do it anymore. These past years were not easy, especially if the ones at home are laughing about your feelings and presumptions. And then, a few months ago, a blogger who I really admired and whose blogs I read for a long time and which I quoted several times here on the forum, accused me and the members over here to be devil worshipers, only because we are members of this forum, which, to her firm belief, is a Sony (thus evil) related site. Despite my efforts to tell her I'm (and we are) no devil worshiper(s) but very serious and devoted people who want the same thing as she wants, namely the truth and the exposure of the evil in the world, and that she and we should actually be working together because she really is a good investigator, she kicked me of off her blog, and I felt awful about that. I just couldn't bring myself to actively participate in any discussion whatsoever anymore. It all made me feel so stupid because I allowed myself to get into an unwanted fight and I received unjustified accusations and for what? I just felt like living in the twilight zone and began to feel that this was all unreal, just existing in my/our heads, and yes, I even felt that we are being played. I'm glad I'm not the only one but the closer the end of the year 2012 is coming, the more I feel IT is not going to happen. And God knows how much I love Michael, but that would make me soooo sad. You're right Bec, this isn't a game no more. This is seriously hurting people.
<br />At this time of unfathomable, sickening, heartbreaking news, I would like to make a small request---if I may? <br /><br />I would like us all to join (virtual) hands in a vigil tomorrow --- time zones make it difficult, so please let's do it whenever we can…it doesn't matter WHEN…let's just DO it. Let's pray for those sweet, innocent children who lost their lives much, MUCH too soon, as well as their mourning families. <br /><br />Having children of my own, I cannot imagine the immense piercing anguish and scorching pain that these parents are going through right now. They need our love & support -- they will feel it…somehow, through God's Grace…..they will feel it. I believe that with all my heart. <br /><br />I would also like us to pray for Adam and his family. That young man obviously needed some help ---- and he didn't get it in time. <br /><br />It's devastating when we live in a world where you say "I love you" to your children and you're not even sure if it will be the last time you get to say that to them. <br /><br />L.O.V.E. to all of you and your children. <br />from your friend always, <br />Front xo<br />
<br /><br /><br />Dear UYI, Bec and everybody else. Your posts triggered me to finally make a post myself once again. I was less involved these past few months, mainly because of the same reasons stated by you two, except for bamsday UYI, which I do like to see to happen one day in the near future. That's what still keeping me 'close' to the forum/hoax. I admire the fact that, despite the feelings you two mentioned, you were still be able to put your all in the forum. I couldn't do it anymore. These past years were not easy, especially if the ones at home are laughing about your feelings and presumptions. And then, a few months ago, a blogger who I really admired and whose blogs I read for a long time and which I quoted several times here on the forum, accused me and the members over here to be devil worshipers, only because we are members of this forum, which, to her firm belief, is a Sony (thus evil) related site. Despite my efforts to tell her I'm (and we are) no devil worshiper(s) but very serious and devoted people who want the same thing as she wants, namely the truth and the exposure of the evil in the world, and that she and we should actually be working together because she really is a good investigator, she kicked me of off her blog, and I felt awful about that. I just couldn't bring myself to actively participate in any discussion whatsoever anymore. It all made me feel so stupid because I allowed myself to get into an unwanted fight and I received unjustified accusations and for what? I just felt like living in the twilight zone and began to feel that this was all unreal, just existing in my/our heads, and yes, I even felt that we are being played. I'm glad I'm not the only one but the closer the end of the year 2012 is coming, the more I feel IT is not going to happen. And God knows how much I love Michael, but that would make me soooo sad. You're right Bec, this isn't a game no more. This is seriously hurting people.<br />
<br /><br />Loved your post , you put my thoughts into words . <br />In moments like these , I find it kind of wise to take a few steps back to be able once again to move forward . <br /><br />
We are all here together, united as One --- regardless of opinions. I, for one (or 2 or 3, depending on your opinions & ASSumptions :? ) am not going anywhere. Will You Be There too?
<br />If Front is willing not to give up , if he is determined to be there , why should we give up ? <br />I know that we'll feel deceived if no Bam happens this year , but does it mean that we should become hopeless ? hell no ! if there's going to be no Bam this year , there is certainly a reason that we WILL find out . <br /><br />love<br /><br />
@Do I know what you are feeling and I am so sorry about it but listen: if Sony were really behind Front, TS their posts wouldn't be so elaborated and the whispers wouldn't be subtle but more direct so easy to be deciphered by the members here and concerning Paris' twitter how come that Sony has all kind of Paris' pics with her different haircut and colour dye? do you think Paris would give Sony her pics to be posted on a fake twitter to play with people (on this forum) that really love her father? it would be like throwing stones to herself unless Sony is making her do drugs (sorry Michael if you are reading).<br />Wouldn't it be better to play Michael's haters or maybe Sony hate so much Michael that wants just to play Michael's advocates?<br /><br />I hope all this have a happy end for the sake of our mental health, specially mind.
What do Front's actions matter? Is he/she here every day like we are? No. Is he/she emotionally invested in the trials and tribulations of the hoax like we are? Who knows. Front showed up a year and a half ago professing to be back. I, and several others have been here for 3 and 1/2 years. Is Front back? Maybe. Maybe not. I see no point in following the lead of someone who has holding a completely one-sided relationship with us solely on his/her terms. FRIEND is not just a casual title, it is something to be earned, and someone who flitters in n out of your life with no warning or communication is not someone I would call a friend. A puppetmaster is supposed to run a game, not blithely play with people's emotions behind a curtain of false pretenses.<br /><br />TS/TS_comments and Front have made it clear they play for the same team. If one is fake so are the rest. TS_comments knew what he was going to post while we were all waiting and his teammate found it AMUSING and ENTERTAINING enough to munch popcorn with a big fat grin on his face as he waited for the pieces to fall. TS_comments set me up to make a spectacle out of me in front of the entire community and Front found it entertaining and amusing. <br /><br />So yeah, I'm stupid because I fell for it. I walked into a trap designed to make me look foolish. Silly me. Fine. Whatever. I learned my lesson but I'm not dumb enough to turn around and call s/he who set me up for this mockery my "friend".<br /><br />@sunset, my dear, this post should answer your question for me as well.
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