So if this 'insider' is genuine then she has confirmed that MJ 'clones' were used, 3 of them, and also that TII is part of a huge hoax and Michael is alive! Interesting that the word 'clones' was used and not impersonators or doubles? Does Michael have a clone army!?!
So was MJ actually in TII at all, or was he behind the camera directing the whole thing using 3 clones on stage?
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
Thank you ForTheTruth for posting the second part!
The vid is really interesting and mostly convincing, but in some parts also hinting towards relevant points without giving more information. I feel like it is indicating to look deeper and connect some dots...
I am refering to a sequence when Michael's clones are mentioned.
MJHoaxEvidence says:
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
Does this mean that Michael is known in film industry for having 3 particular clones (doubles) which he is always using for stand-ins and stunts or does it mean that he is known to work in film industry under 3 different aliases?
Because English is not my native language, I sometimes fear to misunderstand or misinterpret phrases. Maybe we could help each other to get things right here? <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) -->
Do they really sat CLONES?
I don't buy that, sorry. A clone should look EXACTLY like the original, and the doubles I see don't look exactly like the original.
I do believe he is known in the film industry under aliases, more then we even might think.
Well, I will be honest. I hope this person is being sincere and not trying bulljive around with anything. I think we have had enough of the foolishness of trolls and playing games with folk, really. I mean, the vid is good and all. I hope this person is going to share further info but not play games. That's all I am saying.
The voice is distorted. It could be Paris reading a script Mike wrote for all we know. Who ever it is, I truly believe is working wit Mike, so they proper an most convincing info is put out for people to see.
Piece by piece (pple start questioning TII, who knows what else they may question)
just my opinion. L.O.V.E to all!
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
Sorry if my question about the clones can be misunderstood. I didn't intend to miscredit MJHoaxEvidence, I value her work very much. But I just stumbled about her wording which is very confusing and mixing completely different things.
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
...clones and assumed names he goes by in film industry?...
do his clones (doubles?) play his role in film industry or does Michael become a clone of somebody else by wearing a mask and then he is going into film industry?
I am afraid that it doesn't make sense at all. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
The "anonymous informer" may be symbolic. Many believe what they read in the media without truly know who writes it. Jus cause some ones name is attached to the article, doesnt mean you know that person. This person is jus an "unnamed source". We all should be familiar with unnamed sources if we read TMZs articles.
I truly believe this "anonymous informer" is close to Mike. Maybe LaToya disguising her voice, or Rebbie, we havent heard much from her lately. Or maybe one of the female "dancers" from TII.
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
Not all, I don't think we ever discovered that Jasmine had a double ( <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ) and there were a few other things that were new to me. But exactly, we don't know if she exists, but we don't know for sure that she doesn't. & we don't know for sure if she really does know inside information, at least we don't know yet. So to say right now that she's fake, isn't fair. I say we wait until all the parts are up and then you can decide.
Sorry if my question about the clones can be misunderstood. I didn't intend to miscredit MJHoaxEvidence, I value her work very much. But I just stumbled about her wording which is very confusing and mixing completely different things.
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
...clones and assumed names he goes by in film industry?...
do his clones (doubles?) play his role in film industry or does Michael become a clone of somebody else by wearing a mask and then he is going into film industry?
I am afraid that it doesn't make sense at all. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I wasn't technically directing my comment to anyone in particular. I was just stating my opinion <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> I believe that Michael would go by many aliases. He did always say he liked to keep everything a mystery, he's a joker. I'm not sure about your questions about clones. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
The "anonymous informer" may be symbolic. Many believe what they read in the media without truly know who writes it. Jus cause some ones name is attached to the article, doesnt mean you know that person. This person is jus an "unnamed source". We all should be familiar with unnamed sources if we read TMZs articles.
I truly believe this "anonymous informer" is close to Mike. Maybe LaToya disguising her voice, or Rebbie, we havent heard much from her lately. Or maybe one of the female "dancers" from TII.
I agree with you. The voice disguising was done by MJHoaxEvidence, most likely. I think they got an email with all this information, and you can use Microsoft voices.
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
Not all, I don't think we ever discovered that Jasmine had a double ( <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> )
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
Not all, I don't think we ever discovered that Jasmine had a double ( <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> )
So if this 'insider' is genuine then she has confirmed that MJ 'clones' were used, 3 of them, and also that TII is part of a huge hoax and Michael is alive! Interesting that the word 'clones' was used and not impersonators or doubles? Does Michael have a clone army!?!
So was MJ actually in TII at all, or was he behind the camera directing the whole thing using 3 clones on stage?
clone (kln)
n.
1. A cell, group of cells, or organism that is descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell.
2. An organism descended asexually from a single ancestor, such as a plant produced by layering or a polyp produced by budding.
3. A DNA sequence, such as a gene, that is transferred from one organism to another and replicated by genetic engineering techniques.
4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function: "filled with business-school clones in gray and blue suits" (Michael M. Thomas).
According to definition #4 clone can be used instead of body double. #4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function is how clone is used in the video...So, the video is saying that there were 3 clones used...My question to the informer would be, I wonder if MJ was in the movie...OR...is he behind the camera & directing??
I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
<!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Well, as always in these videos there is no closure information. Are open questions more than answers consistent. I think at least if some things are true, then assume that the family is correct in saying that Michael was very ill and he was intimidated to show up in tests, so in some (or many times) was used to doubles, or the that is, to close the movie and they would be used for a few moments from the shows, too, as has been mentioned somewhere. So for me, there's nothing "new" in this video. The question still remains: Where and how Michael was in that period? Well, in this case I think Kenny Ortega could only answer that because he spent the last few days with Michael, it was assumed it was. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
While I have found these videos very interesting I wonder why we are being spoon-fed them? Is someone just collecting evidence from this site and other sources and then presenting it as insider knowledge? The suspense is killing me! I await further videos which will hopefully mention things that haven't already been mentioned here that can be verified somehow. Though I doubt it will be that easy. Keep the faith guys, time will tell!
‘I have had professional experience with both Michael
Bad Tour and Dirty Diana
as well as Kenny Ortega’
?
‘I have also sung background vocals for many prominent artists’
‘I will say that Michael and I are very close in age, which will be important later.’
<!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002028/<!-- m -->
If it is Sheryl Crowe then her age would confirm that 1958 is not the true birth year.
Part 2
As for aliases I think Michael Joseph Jackson is the main alias.
Also
‘...and Michael’s different every night’ ... ‘there’s certain nights when Michael is, he’s more er, in contact with certain people, you know, like there’d be some nights when I have a lot of eye contact with him or certain nights when you know someone else does and that’s that’s fun ya know that’s interesting... ‘
<!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn73yqX6fOU<!-- m -->
Yes, it might be someone trying to fool us again, I agree.
However, these two videos are the most compelling ones that have come out in a long time. They are coherent and provide evidence. They also have an objective.
According to the video this person is a professional actress and singer who knows Michael and who has sung backup for him. It is also someone who is about the same age.
Could it be that this actress told the story to someone else and that this person is developing the video series? Perhaps she became suspicious as we did? Anyone who investigates this can see that there are inconsistencies in what is being fed to us, right?
We'll have to see how solid this information remains and whether or not the person is playing with us.
From the detailed information about the persons identity I believe the informant is a singer and actress as stated. There can't be that many people who fit the specific description that is given. I think it is likely to be Sheryl Crow -as explained in my previous post- and definitely someone who is part of the hoax. The purpose of the videos is probably to bring together information that has been mentioned in diverse places or that has not been noticed/uncovered before. Mystery gets attention and draws an audience more than blogs and posts on forums. Yet the videos are direct and to the point - unlike some You Tube hoax videos that are deliberately cryptic because the maker is not totally sure themselves about the meaning of what they have found.
what was said in those videos is really not new and not something you couldn't figure out by yourself if only took the few minutes to browse through the credits.
3 things I noticed as "not accurate" and which are - in my opinion - hinting towards an other "here are my 5 minutes of fame" type of thing:
a) the stunt ... what the lady says does not match the credits as Micha Hamilton was MJs stunt in Smooth Criminal
b) Jasmin Alveran had 2 (two!) doubles, which is normal when shooting scenes that involve kids. And it is also very logical, as Jasmin was acting in the Earth short movie. So nothing spectacular about that, they were shooting a short movie, they had Jasmin as main actor and she had 2 doubles. What's the mystery here? I don't see any. Just normal procedure I'd say
c) using professional 3D cameras --- sure they did, those short movies were all shot in HD and 3D (we all saw MJ wearing the 3D glasses while they were shooting those scenes from Thriller). So it's logical they needed some hi-tech cameras and cameramen on the scene.
I think that the clone thing may mean Special Effects. Remember Michael's short films Thriller and Ghost. And how he was able to portray the Mayor. Do you guys remember the show The Pretender starring Michael T. Weiss. Where he plays a genius that can become anyone he wants with many different disguises. Now you take that concept and add Michael in the mix with a couple of his friends in the Film Industry and Special Effects and you tell me what would you have.
Guys, here is the question that I would like to pose to you: Who do you know that Michael can trust entirely with anything and always been there for him and he probably talk to on a daily basis. Now remember these key words Professional Actress and Singer, Appeared in Feature Films, backup singer to Michael. Do you guys know anyone that will fit that profile.
Comments
So was MJ actually in TII at all, or was he behind the camera directing the whole thing using 3 clones on stage?
The voice is distorted. It could be Paris reading a script Mike wrote for all we know. Who ever it is, I truly believe is working wit Mike, so they proper an most convincing info is put out for people to see.
Piece by piece (pple start questioning TII, who knows what else they may question)
just my opinion. L.O.V.E to all!
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
Sorry if my question about the clones can be misunderstood. I didn't intend to miscredit MJHoaxEvidence, I value her work very much. But I just stumbled about her wording which is very confusing and mixing completely different things.
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
...clones and assumed names he goes by in film industry?...
do his clones (doubles?) play his role in film industry or does Michael become a clone of somebody else by wearing a mask and then he is going into film industry?
I am afraid that it doesn't make sense at all. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
The "anonymous informer" may be symbolic. Many believe what they read in the media without truly know who writes it. Jus cause some ones name is attached to the article, doesnt mean you know that person. This person is jus an "unnamed source". We all should be familiar with unnamed sources if we read TMZs articles.
I truly believe this "anonymous informer" is close to Mike. Maybe LaToya disguising her voice, or Rebbie, we havent heard much from her lately. Or maybe one of the female "dancers" from TII.
Not all, I don't think we ever discovered that Jasmine had a double ( <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> ) and there were a few other things that were new to me. But exactly, we don't know if she exists, but we don't know for sure that she doesn't. & we don't know for sure if she really does know inside information, at least we don't know yet. So to say right now that she's fake, isn't fair. I say we wait until all the parts are up and then you can decide.
I wasn't technically directing my comment to anyone in particular. I was just stating my opinion <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> I believe that Michael would go by many aliases. He did always say he liked to keep everything a mystery, he's a joker. I'm not sure about your questions about clones. <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
I agree with you. The voice disguising was done by MJHoaxEvidence, most likely. I think they got an email with all this information, and you can use Microsoft voices.
Posted here: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=14071#p234731
Post by lovemj4everandever » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:09 pm
Okay, thanks Serenity <!-- s:D -->:D<!-- s:D --> I wasn't sure about that, <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
n.
1. A cell, group of cells, or organism that is descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell.
2. An organism descended asexually from a single ancestor, such as a plant produced by layering or a polyp produced by budding.
3. A DNA sequence, such as a gene, that is transferred from one organism to another and replicated by genetic engineering techniques.
4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function: "filled with business-school clones in gray and blue suits" (Michael M. Thomas).
<!-- m -->http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clone<!-- m -->
According to definition #4 clone can be used instead of body double. #4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function is how clone is used in the video...So, the video is saying that there were 3 clones used...My question to the informer would be, I wonder if MJ was in the movie...OR...is he behind the camera & directing??
<!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Well, as always in these videos there is no closure information. Are open questions more than answers consistent. I think at least if some things are true, then assume that the family is correct in saying that Michael was very ill and he was intimidated to show up in tests, so in some (or many times) was used to doubles, or the that is, to close the movie and they would be used for a few moments from the shows, too, as has been mentioned somewhere. So for me, there's nothing "new" in this video. The question still remains: Where and how Michael was in that period? Well, in this case I think Kenny Ortega could only answer that because he spent the last few days with Michael, it was assumed it was. <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: -->
From Part 1
‘I am a professional actress and singer’
<!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002028/<!-- m -->
‘I’ve appeared in feature films'
<!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151582/fullcredits<!-- m -->
<!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352277/fullcredits#cast<!-- m -->
'and have recorded as a solo artist for Warner Bros Records, A&M Records and other major labels,’
<!-- m -->http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sheryl+Crow<!-- m -->
<!-- m -->http://www.discogs.com/label/Reprise+Records<!-- m -->
‘I have had professional experience with both Michael
Bad Tour and Dirty Diana
as well as Kenny Ortega’
?
‘I have also sung background vocals for many prominent artists’
‘I will say that Michael and I are very close in age, which will be important later.’
<!-- m -->http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002028/<!-- m -->
If it is Sheryl Crowe then her age would confirm that 1958 is not the true birth year.
Part 2
As for aliases I think Michael Joseph Jackson is the main alias.
Also
‘...and Michael’s different every night’ ... ‘there’s certain nights when Michael is, he’s more er, in contact with certain people, you know, like there’d be some nights when I have a lot of eye contact with him or certain nights when you know someone else does and that’s that’s fun ya know that’s interesting... ‘
<!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn73yqX6fOU<!-- m -->
However, these two videos are the most compelling ones that have come out in a long time. They are coherent and provide evidence. They also have an objective.
According to the video this person is a professional actress and singer who knows Michael and who has sung backup for him. It is also someone who is about the same age.
Could it be that this actress told the story to someone else and that this person is developing the video series? Perhaps she became suspicious as we did? Anyone who investigates this can see that there are inconsistencies in what is being fed to us, right?
We'll have to see how solid this information remains and whether or not the person is playing with us.
3 things I noticed as "not accurate" and which are - in my opinion - hinting towards an other "here are my 5 minutes of fame" type of thing:
a) the stunt ... what the lady says does not match the credits as Micha Hamilton was MJs stunt in Smooth Criminal
b) Jasmin Alveran had 2 (two!) doubles, which is normal when shooting scenes that involve kids. And it is also very logical, as Jasmin was acting in the Earth short movie. So nothing spectacular about that, they were shooting a short movie, they had Jasmin as main actor and she had 2 doubles. What's the mystery here? I don't see any. Just normal procedure I'd say
c) using professional 3D cameras --- sure they did, those short movies were all shot in HD and 3D (we all saw MJ wearing the 3D glasses while they were shooting those scenes from Thriller). So it's logical they needed some hi-tech cameras and cameramen on the scene.